Thread: Anyone Else find Bush's Coorespondence dinner comedy act last night totally inappropriate?

Peachypetewi - 3/29/2007 at 10:02 PM

He has damaged and weakened our military and country to the breaking point through his incompetence, arrogance and ignorance and then has the gall to yuck it up and joke about it like it's no big deal. What a jerk off.


fanfrom-71 - 3/29/2007 at 10:19 PM

The Grand Poopah and his cronies could care less what the people of HIS country,or anyone elses country think of their words OR actions,so I'm not a bit suprised.


SmilingJack - 3/29/2007 at 10:32 PM

I thought the bit I saw on the news was strange, But I probably think that about everything he does at this point. Makes his dad look like a brilliant one term president.


PhotoRon286 - 3/29/2007 at 10:36 PM

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Makes his dad look like a brilliant one term president.


That right there shows you how deep the bull **** is around this administration.


MarkRamsey - 3/30/2007 at 12:27 AM

Ya gotta admit the line about Sen. Webb providing security was funny...


Marley - 3/30/2007 at 01:49 AM

Hey, the Bush administration became a joke a long time ago. At least for one night, Bush was in on the joke.

There's no harm in our self-important politicians kidding about themselves for one night. If anything I wish we had more of this, maybe it would encourage people to take these idiots less seriously. There are annual events of this kind - I remember Bush and Kerry cancelled theirs (might've been Bush and Gore, but I think it was in 2004) because the campaign was too partisan; as if the whole thing was so important they couldn't spare an hour or two to kid about it.


crossroad_blues - 3/30/2007 at 02:43 AM

What's the big deal? Most people get their political news from Letterman, Leno & Comedy Central anyway.


PhotoRon286 - 3/30/2007 at 03:45 AM

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What's the big deal? Most people get their political news from Letterman, Leno & Comedy Central anyway.


At least those guys are funny.

And haven't caused 3,247 American deaths in Iraq.


bigann - 3/30/2007 at 03:47 AM

When it comes to Bush and his administration - to quote the late Waylon Jennings 'This is gettin' funny but there ain't nobody laughin'.


SquatchTexas - 3/30/2007 at 01:14 PM

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There's no harm in our self-important politicians kidding about themselves for one night. If anything I wish we had more of this, maybe it would encourage people to take these idiots less seriously.


(emphasis mine)

Thats the problem though... People who literally hold your life and livelyhood in your hands require that you take them seriously. I didnt watch the correspondence dinner specifically because I knew it would be infuriating to watch these azzholes yuk it up with full knowledge of the mistakes made, lies told and current danger being faced by our troops. I believe something like that would be wholly inappropriate given the specifics of our current situation. Bush has never taken this war seriously or considered the sacrifices made as being anything more than whats required for him to strut around like a "war time president". The whole concept of "lauging at yourself" reminded me of the video of Bush looking under his desk for WMD in that video that surfaced a while back... 'nope, not under here' yuk yuk yuk. Cocksuckers.


jim - 3/30/2007 at 05:08 PM

ZZZZZ, at this point, you guys are like listening to Charlie Brown's teacher, WAWAWAWA. All of the bashing is starting to ring hollow. It was a chance to relax after all the crap, even the press who bashes the crap out of him were laughing.

I agree Marley, there should be more of this.


SquatchTexas - 3/30/2007 at 05:39 PM

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ZZZZZ, at this point, you guys are like listening to Charlie Brown's teacher, WAWAWAWA. All of the bashing is starting to ring hollow. It was a chance to relax after all the crap, even the press who bashes the crap out of him were laughing.

I agree Marley, there should be more of this.


Failure, incompetence, lack of oversight by the media and abject stupidity are always great for a laugh I guess. Youre entitled to your opinion about it being WAWAWAWA or whatever, Jim, but when the laughter is gone the dead soldiers are still coming home in the middle of the night to Dover AFB and the population of Iraq is being killed off at a rate of over a hundred a day sometimes. Not a goddam thing funny about any of it IMO.

[Edited on 3/30/2007 by SquatchTexas]


gondicar - 3/30/2007 at 06:07 PM

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/03/28/video-rove-raps-at-correspondents-dinne r/

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNrsTDPmPhQ



[Edited on 3/30/2007 by gondicar]


gotdrumz - 3/30/2007 at 09:02 PM



[Edited on 3/30/2007 by gotdrumz]


Marley - 3/31/2007 at 01:38 AM

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Thats the problem though... People who literally hold your life and livelyhood in your hands require that you take them seriously.

This is wrong on a couple of levels. First of all, Bush and company do not hold my life or livelihood in their hands. Even indirectly, they are responsible for a small number of people. As politically charged as this era is, the federal government does not have that much impact on your life on a day-to-day basis. If Bush died tomorrow and Cheney went to jail for shooting him, I would have the same job on Monday, and so would almost everyone in the country. Even after two years of President Rove, I would probably have more or less the same life and livelihood, and so would most people. That's not to say I don't loathe Bush and all the rest of it, but there are many things that have more direct impact on your life than the federal government. Your local government arguably has more impact, even if it has less chance to set policies you find morally repugnant and damaging to our standing internationally.

Two years from now, when you're defending President Obama from some conversative who insists the country is going to hell because of some minor thing, remember how much importance you've assigned him.

The second thing is that Bush did not invent any of these self-mocking traditions. Clinton's final-year White House video was hilarious. It had him wandering the halls, lonely with Chelsea gone and Hillary and Al campaigning. He couldn't find anyone to help when the ice cream sandwich machine wouldn't take his dollar bill, and Kevin Spacey had a funny cameo.

Maybe most importantly - and be warned, this is all personal philosophy - nothing on Earth requires you to take it seriously. In fact, I think it's the opposite, particularly with self-important, grandiose bastards like the ones in politics. The ones who think they can make people do what they want and think what they want (in the case of the current loser) so people will stop saying he doesn't measure up to his big brother and his daddy and had everything in life given to him and is a miserable ex-drunk ex-cokehead failure at business and baseball who would be nothing if he didn't have his last name.

I'm not saying their delusions and behavior can't hurt people and that people aren't sometimes obliged to do something about it. But these guys do not control your thoughts and do not require you to take them seriously at any or all times. They WISH they had that power. There would be no freedom of any kind.
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I believe something like that would be wholly inappropriate given the specifics of our current situation.

The situation we're in is horrible and you know how much I despise it. But we've been through worse as a country and people didn't stop laughing then either, even if people sometimes said they should.
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Bush has never taken this war seriously or considered the sacrifices made as being anything more than whats required for him to strut around like a "war time president".

In many ways I agree. He used the military like it was the Armed Forces of George Bush, not the United States of America. And now he's convinced that he knows way better than everyone else because they're finally noticing his mistakes.
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The whole concept of "lauging at yourself" reminded me of the video of Bush looking under his desk for WMD in that video that surfaced a while back... 'nope, not under here' yuk yuk yuk.

Yeah, that's bad comedy because it's trying to downplay a mistake. That's them trying to make you laugh with them - I'm talking about laughing at them. You have to laugh periodically at an administration that took its rhetorical playbook from Alice in Wonderland.

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Failure, incompetence, lack of oversight by the media and abject stupidity are always great for a laugh I guess.

The only thing funnier than failure and incompetence is abject stupidity. Lack of media oversight? The obvious things they missed can be funny. I think it's funny that the "liberal" New York Times let Judy Miller get away with what she wrote. If you can't laugh at the Jeff Gannon thing I really do feel bad for you.

There's a reason people like me still watch Duck Soup and Dr. Strangelove decades or lifetimes after they were made. [And as I said earlier, if people can laugh at satires of WWII and the Cold War, they can laugh at Iraq.] I haven't seen a great Iraq war comedy film yet, although Arrested Development did some great work there.

[Edited on 3/31/2007 by Marley]


PhotoRon286 - 3/31/2007 at 01:45 AM

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You have to laugh periodically at an administration that took its rhetorical play book from Alice in Wonderland.


I had no idea george had moved up to that reading level.


Marley - 3/31/2007 at 01:57 AM

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I had no idea george had moved up to that reading level.

Rove or Condi probably fed him the gist of it. Bush isn't a reader, but he can choose his words carefully when he feels like it or someone tells him to. The one who was really great at redefining words was Rummy. He could hardly have been worse at his job, but he was great at that. Alas, now that the public is wise to these jerks, they don't have the style they used to.


nitelite51 - 3/31/2007 at 03:17 AM

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Thats the problem though... People who literally hold your life and livelyhood in your hands require that you take them seriously.

This is wrong on a couple of levels. First of all, Bush and company do not hold my life or livelihood in their hands. Even indirectly, they are responsible for a small number of people. As politically charged as this era is, the federal government does not have that much impact on your life on a day-to-day basis. If Bush died tomorrow and Cheney went to jail for shooting him, I would have the same job on Monday, and so would almost everyone in the country. Even after two years of President Rove, I would probably have more or less the same life and livelihood, and so would most people. That's not to say I don't loathe Bush and all the rest of it, but there are many things that have more direct impact on your life than the federal government. Your local government arguably has more impact, even if it has less chance to set policies you find morally repugnant and damaging to our standing internationally.

Two years from now, when you're defending President Obama from some conversative who insists the country is going to hell because of some minor thing, remember how much importance you've assigned him.

The second thing is that Bush did not invent any of these self-mocking traditions. Clinton's final-year White House video was hilarious. It had him wandering the halls, lonely with Chelsea gone and Hillary and Al campaigning. He couldn't find anyone to help when the ice cream sandwich machine wouldn't take his dollar bill, and Kevin Spacey had a funny cameo.

Maybe most importantly - and be warned, this is all personal philosophy - nothing on Earth requires you to take it seriously. In fact, I think it's the opposite, particularly with self-important, grandiose bastards like the ones in politics. The ones who think they can make people do what they want and think what they want (in the case of the current loser) so people will stop saying he doesn't measure up to his big brother and his daddy and had everything in life given to him and is a miserable ex-drunk ex-cokehead failure at business and baseball who would be nothing if he didn't have his last name.

I'm not saying their delusions and behavior can't hurt people and that people aren't sometimes obliged to do something about it. But these guys do not control your thoughts and do not require you to take them seriously at any or all times. They WISH they had that power. There would be no freedom of any kind.
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I believe something like that would be wholly inappropriate given the specifics of our current situation.

The situation we're in is horrible and you know how much I despise it. But we've been through worse as a country and people didn't stop laughing then either, even if people sometimes said they should.
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Bush has never taken this war seriously or considered the sacrifices made as being anything more than whats required for him to strut around like a "war time president".

In many ways I agree. He used the military like it was the Armed Forces of George Bush, not the United States of America. And now he's convinced that he knows way better than everyone else because they're finally noticing his mistakes.
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The whole concept of "lauging at yourself" reminded me of the video of Bush looking under his desk for WMD in that video that surfaced a while back... 'nope, not under here' yuk yuk yuk.

Yeah, that's bad comedy because it's trying to downplay a mistake. That's them trying to make you laugh with them - I'm talking about laughing at them. You have to laugh periodically at an administration that took its rhetorical playbook from Alice in Wonderland.

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Failure, incompetence, lack of oversight by the media and abject stupidity are always great for a laugh I guess.

The only thing funnier than failure and incompetence is abject stupidity. Lack of media oversight? The obvious things they missed can be funny. I think it's funny that the "liberal" New York Times let Judy Miller get away with what she wrote. If you can't laugh at the Jeff Gannon thing I really do feel bad for you.

There's a reason people like me still watch Duck Soup and Dr. Strangelove decades or lifetimes after they were made. [And as I said earlier, if people can laugh at satires of WWII and the Cold War, they can laugh at Iraq.] I haven't seen a great Iraq war comedy film yet, although Arrested Development did some great work there.

[Edited on 3/31/2007 by Marley]


Tell this to the families of the dead servicepeople and the slaughtered Iraqis.


SquatchTexas - 3/31/2007 at 03:28 AM

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This is wrong on a couple of levels. First of all, Bush and company do not hold my life or livelihood in their hands.


Well, I was speaking rather broadly but was thinking of those being sent into harms way or those that could end up that way (long shot of a draft being realized). Additionally, their policies are currently dictating the extent of "safety" in our nation.

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Even indirectly, they are responsible for a small number of people. As politically charged as this era is, the federal government does not have that much impact on your life on a day-to-day basis.[/squote]

I think theres several million Iraqis that might disagree with you.

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If Bush died tomorrow and Cheney went to jail for shooting him, I would have the same job on Monday, and so would almost everyone in the country. Even after two years of President Rove, I would probably have more or less the same life and livelihood, and so would most people. That's not to say I don't loathe Bush and all the rest of it, but there are many things that have more direct impact on your life than the federal government. Your local government arguably has more impact, even if it has less chance to set policies you find morally repugnant and damaging to our standing internationally.


I agree with you and should have been more clear in my initial comments.

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Two years from now, when you're defending President Obama from some conversative who insists the country is going to hell because of some minor thing, remember how much importance you've assigned him.


Well, I stand by the assertion that our government has a lot of impact on our lives, some more than others of course.

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The second thing is that Bush did not invent any of these self-mocking traditions. Clinton's final-year White House video was hilarious. It had him wandering the halls, lonely with Chelsea gone and Hillary and Al campaigning. He couldn't find anyone to help when the ice cream sandwich machine wouldn't take his dollar bill, and Kevin Spacey had a funny cameo.


Saw that and loved it. I laughed right along with it. That said, you have to admit that the Clinton administration, even at its Monica worst, was not nearly as bad as all the dead people, foreign policy nightmares, war, corruption, lies and turmoil under Bush. Back then, you *wanted* to laugh at the follies of Clinton. Bush? Not so much. I think its one thing for the population to laugh at Bush...they should be screaming for his head on a plate.

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Maybe most importantly - and be warned, this is all personal philosophy - nothing on Earth requires you to take it seriously. In fact, I think it's the opposite, particularly with self-important, grandiose bastards like the ones in politics. The ones who think they can make people do what they want and think what they want (in the case of the current loser) so people will stop saying he doesn't measure up to his big brother and his daddy and had everything in life given to him and is a miserable ex-drunk ex-cokehead failure at business and baseball who would be nothing if he didn't have his last name.

I'm not saying their delusions and behavior can't hurt people and that people aren't sometimes obliged to do something about it. But these guys do not control your thoughts and do not require you to take them seriously at any or all times. They WISH they had that power. There would be no freedom of any kind.


I completely agree with you.

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The situation we're in is horrible and you know how much I despise it. But we've been through worse as a country and people didn't stop laughing then either, even if people sometimes said they should.


True, but theres time for humor and then there isnt. Right now, in my opinion, things are still a little on the dark and dismal side to be laughing about anything regarding our current situation.


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Yeah, that's bad comedy because it's trying to downplay a mistake. That's them trying to make you laugh with them - I'm talking about laughing at them. You have to laugh periodically at an administration that took its rhetorical playbook from Alice in Wonderland.


Totally agreed. My point was that they dont even care enough about the whole mess to avoid taking it seriously. If I was the President, after having lied about the extent of WMD, would be so ashamed to be playing around and joking that I cant find them under my desk (har dee har har). He should have a terminal case of embarassment.

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The only thing funnier than failure and incompetence is abject stupidity. Lack of media oversight?


The media let this administration get away with murder. They are one of the main reasons we ended up where we are. They didnt ask the important questions, they never followed up on anything of importance and focused on the brain dead stupid shait that America simply cant get enough of like Dancing with the Stars and American Idol.

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The obvious things they missed can be funny. I think it's funny that the "liberal" New York Times let Judy Miller get away with what she wrote. If you can't laugh at the Jeff Gannon thing I really do feel bad for you.


I find the whole Gannon thing hysterical actually. (another prime example of the media ignoring something rather important)

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There's a reason people like me still watch Duck Soup and Dr. Strangelove decades or lifetimes after they were made. [And as I said earlier, if people can laugh at satires of WWII and the Cold War, they can laugh at Iraq.] I haven't seen a great Iraq war comedy film yet, although Arrested Development did some great work there.

[Edited on 3/31/2007 by Marley]


Thanks for your comments, Marley. As always, you manage to make me see things a bit differently than when I started. :-)


Marley - 3/31/2007 at 05:25 AM

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Tell this to the families of the dead servicepeople and the slaughtered Iraqis.

Did I say dead soldiers or Iraqis were funny? No. I'm talking about an approach to life.

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Additionally, their policies are currently dictating the extent of "safety" in our nation.

And as unsafe and dumb as their policies are, we haven't had a terrorist attack in 5 1/2 years. I know they'll keep trying, but terrorist attacks are always a longshot. You've probably said the same in pointing out the tradeoffs in the Patriot Act.
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I think theres several million Iraqis that might disagree with you.

You were pretty clearly writing about America and our government at that point. But even if you added up all the people in the military and all the Iraqis, you'd come up with a number much smaller than the number of people in this country.
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Well, I stand by the assertion that our government has a lot of impact on our lives, some more than others of course.

Our government? It can. The federal government specifically? Not as much. Your county or municipal government might have more impact just because it determines your property taxes and takes away your garbage.
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That said, you have to admit that the Clinton administration, even at its Monica worst, was not nearly as bad as all the dead people, foreign policy nightmares, war, corruption, lies and turmoil under Bush.

You know I agree, but you almost have to know that not everybody does. During the Clinton years, some people definitely said about Clinton what Peachypete says about Bush in that first post. If nobody got on Clinton's case for that video, I think Bush gets a pass here. Save the criticism for something worthwhile.
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True, but theres time for humor and then there isnt.

Yeah... when people say that, that's usually when you really need a laugh. Gallows humor if nothing else. The talk-show hosts were doing jokes about a week after September 11; this war has been going on for four years.
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If I was the President, after having lied about the extent of WMD, would be so ashamed to be playing around and joking that I cant find them under my desk (har dee har har). He should have a terminal case of embarassment.

Normal people would. Through either stupidity or sheer belief, he doesn't think he has anything to apologize for.
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The media let this administration get away with murder. They are one of the main reasons we ended up where we are. They didnt ask the important questions, they never followed up on anything of importance and focused on the brain dead stupid shait that America simply cant get enough of like Dancing with the Stars and American Idol.

I've said many times that the news media blew it on Iraq. Let's be honest for a minute: America at large shares some blame too. It was cowardly of them not to poke holes in the war story, and a major failure- but they were correct that people didn't want to hear it. As you know from this site, it's pretty damn hard to convince people of anything.


gotdrumz - 3/31/2007 at 01:56 PM

greetings:

senseless loss of human life is a atrocity...everyone can agree on that. Soldiers (american) dying in that manner is subjective...some people call it that but the ones whose opininion really matters are the ones of the soldiers dying. They joined up volunteerily and respond to duty and serve our country proudly. I don't think they call thier sacrifice an atrocity ? The Iraqi's were already being slaughtered before Bush sent troops and more than likely I suppose in numbers far greater on a daily basis than the estimates Squatch posted earlier. All anyone can do is guess ? Since 2003 over 100,000
have died in the Sudan, where is the outcry for those ? I guess since some can't blame Bush or put death into some partisan labeled box, it holds no merit. The funny thing is that even if we'd had a democrat admin. for the past six and something years things wouldn't be much different. Except the finger pointers would have changed uniforms and/or hats.


Marley - 4/1/2007 at 07:52 PM

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The Iraqi's were already being slaughtered before Bush sent troops and more than likely I suppose in numbers far greater on a daily basis than the estimates Squatch posted earlier.

No, I don't think that's true. The place is in chaos now, and that probably IS worse.
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Since 2003 over 100,000 have died in the Sudan, where is the outcry for those ? I guess since some can't blame Bush or put death into some partisan labeled box, it holds no merit.

How is Bush blameless on Darfur? He's done nothing, and it's not like the Democrats have stood in his way. There are a lot of other people to blame, and he's not at the top of the list - it seems like nobody except baby-shopping celebrities cares about Africa - but I don't know what your point is.
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The funny thing is that even if we'd had a democrat admin. for the past six and something years things wouldn't be much different.

That's just crap. I don't know why people play this game - an Iraq invasion was not bound to happen until the people in power decided it was going to happen. You think a Gore administration would have made up this stuff about Iraq? What for? Did they try to kill his dad too?


gotdrumz - 4/2/2007 at 12:19 AM

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That's just crap. I don't know why people play this game - an Iraq invasion was not bound to happen until the people in power decided it was going to happen. You think a Gore administration would have made up this stuff about Iraq? What for? Did they try to kill his dad too?


Maybe it is crap ?...the same democrats that voted to send troops to Iraq also helped picked the candidates who ran for office. The president is just a pawn no matter thier political affiliations and the two party system is two sides of the same coin.

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No, I don't think that's true. The place is in chaos now, and that probably IS worse.
the only real difference is now they have a worldwide audience and alot more party's are around to be scapegoats. These tribes have been fighting eachother for power for centuries.

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How is Bush blameless on Darfur? He's done nothing, and it's not like the Democrats have stood in his way. There are a lot of other people to blame, and he's not at the top of the list - it seems like nobody except baby-shopping celebrities cares about Africa - but I don't know what your point is.



my point isn't about after the fact it is about cause and people not being able to point a finger at Bush to blame it for happening. If Bush didi do something people would start slinging crap bout him starting another war or america is poking round in other countries business again. and thanks for being nice


SquatchTexas - 4/2/2007 at 11:48 AM

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Maybe it is crap ?...the same democrats that voted to send troops to Iraq also helped picked the candidates who ran for office. The president is just a pawn no matter thier political affiliations and the two party system is two sides of the same coin.


Um, I hate to be nit-picky here, but nobody voted to send troops to war. They voted to give that idiot Bush the authority to use force as a last resort. We all know now that we were duped..well, most of us do.

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the only real difference is now they have a worldwide audience and alot more party's are around to be scapegoats. These tribes have been fighting eachother for power for centuries.


No, Iraq was pretty quiet until we came stomping in. NOW everyone is fighting for a piece of the pie (also known as a civil war).

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my point isn't about after the fact it is about cause and people not being able to point a finger at Bush to blame it for happening.


Nobody is blaming Bush for Darfur. If anything, they are blaming him for sitting on his hands and not doing anything about it.

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If Bush didi do something people would start slinging crap bout him starting another war or america is poking round in other countries business again. and thanks for being nice


Yep you have a point. Whats sad is that he probably would try to start some kind of war to fix that problem. And we have enough problems here at home and abroad to keep us busy, so no, we dont need to be poking around in other nations business. This is why we are up a creek without a paddle. When people sit and complain that nobody cares about Darfur or Sudan or whatever, its a convenient attempt to get the focus off of our own problems. Even THEY know that taking on something like a regional conflict is a stupid and poorly thought out idea, but hey, it gets the folks looking a different direction for a change. Im not saying they dont care as Im sure they do, but many seem to care when its convient to them.


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