Thread: The Rose Hill Follies

Jerry - 3/18/2007 at 09:00 PM

This will be the place I will be posting the photos of those individuals who feel the need to act like the rules don't include them.
As I can get the photos, I'll post them and try to keep them as current as possible.

Also, if you have something in Rose Hill that you are interested in seeing a photo of, ask. I'll try to get get it posted for you.

If you remember, in the "Little Friend from Dublin" thread I mentioned that someone had run off people trying to dislodge Duanes' headstone.

I'll start off with some photos of the condition they left the graves in.

This is Duanes'


Another angle


It's kinda hard to take good pictures when you're extremely pissed.


[Edited on 3/25/2007 by Jerry]


bigann - 3/18/2007 at 09:55 PM

Nothing says respect like walking on white marble with muddy feet while trying to dislodge the headstone!


Haisija - 3/18/2007 at 11:00 PM

These guys probably takin' in some really very ugly vibes about now.


reneed - 3/18/2007 at 11:21 PM

i got they damn ugly vibes


bigann - 3/19/2007 at 12:34 AM

This kind of makes you sit back and rethink all the bad press Candace has received from from everyone. Even Bert Holman was quoted in the press as saying she was crazy. Of course, he doesn't spend any time cleaning the grave sites from the damage or spend any money doing it.


SkyPuppy - 3/19/2007 at 01:14 AM

They have got to be Flucking Kidding! I'm glad Kim, Zebo, and I picked Rose Hill to make our Donation to in regards to our shirt and strap sales, and future endeavours.
But It pisses me off also that it is so obviously nessasary.


PeterNelson - 3/19/2007 at 01:21 AM

Thanks for the thread, Jerry, and your help at Rose Hill.
One thing: Both pics are of Duane's resting place.


Jerry - 3/19/2007 at 02:26 AM

quote:
Thanks for the thread, Jerry, and your help at Rose Hill.
One thing: Both pics are of Duane's resting place.


You're right, and I'm sorry for that. I guess I was still pissed off.

News for today:
One of two women riding in a car with stickers for "Big Bend Ghost Trackers" went over the rope and became a little "vocal" when asked to leave the lot.
I feel that they are members of this group since the vanity tag on the car was very subject inclusive.
You can check out their website at http://www.bigbendghosttrackers.homestead.com
and read their rules at the "standards and protocol" section.
I'm waiting for a response to the e-mail I sent to their website to determine the next
course of action.


bigann - 3/19/2007 at 02:36 AM

I just emailed the people at the link you posted. Here is what I wrote....perhaps if they get some additional letters it might drive home the point. However, if it will be a distraction to what Jerry is doing, then maybe not. What do you think Jerry?

I was informed today that one of your members did not follow protocol at the Rose Hill Cemetery in Macon, GA. As a certified paranormal investigator, I know that respect for the site is one of the most important guidelines for researchers. This woman went over ropes that posted a no trespass sign surrounding the graves of Berry Oakley and Duane Allman. When requested to leave she became very vocal. It is people like this who give your organization a bad name and make it more difficult for legitimate researchers to gain access to certain sites. I hope you will find the party/parties responsible and make your displeasure known. Sincerely, Anathalee Sandlin


Haisija - 3/19/2007 at 02:39 AM

DO NOT CROSS THE BARICADE AT ROSE HILL !


BigDaveOnBass - 3/19/2007 at 02:48 AM

I left a private guestbook entry on their website asking them to not go over the ropes. Hopefully, they'll at least look into what went down and make it right.


RedRider - 3/19/2007 at 03:48 AM

I just posted a not so private....


SquatchTexas - 3/19/2007 at 04:19 AM

Attempting to "dislodge headstones"? Doesnt that qualify as a crime in Georgia?

What about private property rules regarding tresspassing?

I would like to make a suggestion from a law enforcement perspective: Jerry, anytime someone does something that is against Georgia law, a police report should be filed. This provides an ongoing record of events and provides law enforcement with a known pattern of issues at Rose Hill to where they can direct patrol operations and/or foot patrols to discourage this type of behavior. To put it bluntly, if no one ever files a report, as far as law enforcement is concerned, everything is just fine. Obviously, this isnt the case.

Are there any groups or organizations that would be willing to donate some time to "keep an eye" on the gravesite? I might also suggest contacting security companies and offer to trade onsite (here or elsewhere) advertisement or PR in exchange for guard services. Its worth a shot and all they can do is say no.


bigann - 3/19/2007 at 04:22 AM

One of the first and foremost rules of paranormal investigation is to respect both this world and the other when doing your work. You don't ever charge willie nillie into a situation that disrespects either the living or the 'dead'. Unfortunately, as with other groups of people, some folks believe they have the right to charge in and do what they want. It's not the accepted practice of those of us who pursue our work seriously. Good for you, RR to have gone and posted.


RedRider - 3/19/2007 at 11:25 AM

Thanks for your input Squatch....


piacere - 3/19/2007 at 01:01 PM

did anyone reply to my cast-iron fence/multiple locks suggestion? There's a pic of Billy the Kid's gravesite with one. Seems to work just fine. They sawed through the lock on it, thus my suggestion of multiple locks, it'd take hours to go through three or four locks, or, have a lock that's covered with a steel plate so sawing it is not possible.

just a suggestion to help in what is becoming a huge nuisance.


Jerry - 3/19/2007 at 03:53 PM

quote:
did anyone reply to my cast-iron fence/multiple locks suggestion? There's a pic of Billy the Kid's gravesite with one. Seems to work just fine. They sawed through the lock on it, thus my suggestion of multiple locks, it'd take hours to go through three or four locks, or, have a lock that's covered with a steel plate so sawing it is not possible.

just a suggestion to help in what is becoming a huge nuisance.


Oh come on, you're not a nuisance.
I responded in the "Dublin" thread about that.
There have been four fences erected around the gravesite over the years. Three were of the temporary type, and were promptly torn down. Many times phone calls would follow with the content generally being "Who are you to keep us off the graves?"
Proof of who these people were isn't court room certain, but there is a pretty good idea of what group they belong to.
One fence was left around the gravesite, but the posts holding the fence were bent level to the ground and the bushes underneath the fence were trampled down.
The other fence was eight feet high chain link with concertina razor wire on top.
The Mayor of Macon, Mr. Jim Marshall, decided that it spoiled his view as he jogged through Rose Hill, and ordered city workers to remove the fence.
the fence was removed before daybreak on morning, without a notification of the day/time of the removal.
What is really nasty about this, is that Marshall had recently fired a city engineer for mistakenly doing work on what he thought was city property, but was privately owned.


bigann - 3/19/2007 at 04:05 PM

Here is the email response I received from the ghost hunters. As I said, everyone has a 'reason'. This doesn't at all reflect the people I know. Read for yourself:

Dear Ann
Thank you for your interest in Big Bend Ghost Trackers and our standards . As an adult I am sure you are aware every situation has a flip side. Please read the following letter that has been sent to the Mayor of Macon ,The District Attorney of Bibb County as well as the Police Chief. I DID NOTHING WRONG. However my personal attorney who I happen to be the mother of is indeed looking into filing harassment charges against these in individuals.
Thank you
Betty Davis
Director-Founder
Big Bend Ghost Trackers

March 19, 2007

To: Honorable Mayor Ellis

From: Betty Davis

Ref: Recent visit to your city

Dear Sir:

I and a lady friend were guests in your city this past
weekend. We were their to take in the festivities of
the Cherry Blossom Festival as well as doing some
research at Rose Hill Cemetery. In doing genealogy
research the name Temperance West had surfaced and I
was to discover that she had been a victim of the
Woolfolk crime in 1887, thus I was hoping to collect
some additional info that might be on her stone at
Rose Hill Cemetery.

Unfortunately, this trip to Rose Hill put a serious
damper to our visit to Macon, afterwards fearing for
our well being we spent the remainder of our visit in
our motel room. Quiet honestly I am not sure if I
would feel safe ever returning to your city.

While at the cemetery and searching for the Woolfolk
grave site, we were in the area on Carnation Ridge,
which was near the Forest Hill section that we were
looking for. We had noted from the map at the entrance
of the cemetery the Duane Allman grave was in
Carnation Ridge. We visited the grave site of the
Allman Brothers and I was leaning over a bush/shrub at
the front side of the grave trying to read the words
on the epitaph at the foot of the grave.
While doing so I later realized having my camera on a
strap on my wrist had fell off and into the
bush/scrub. I stepped over the rope in the grave plot
to retrieve my camera (as any other person would have
done) and all of a sudden as I was leaning up Three
(3) individuals two (2 ) males and (1 ) female
came over a hill Commando style with the leader of the
pack wearing a camouflage jacket.

These individuals were running toward me screaming and
shooting vulgarities with the leader of the pack
having a silver object in is hand pointing it at me!
All I could think of was “Oh my God these are crazed
lunatics that are going to abduct, rape and kill me.
“To be frank with you sir the out come of this
scenario could have been much more serious if this
would of happen to someone carrying a weapon because
all I saw was something silver pointing at me as these
individuals were running and screaming toward me and
all I could think of was it was a gun. I kept
screaming and holding up my camera saying that all I
was doing was picking up my camera that I had dropped.
The main leader of the pack I discovered as he got
closer to me was holding a camera and was taking a
series of pictures of me while screaming in my face
that he was having be arrested. I then run to my car
that was parked a distance away and he then ran over
got in his truck. A red truck and attempted to run my
car down in the cemetery. Then a white truck emerged
with the other male and the female in it writing down
my car tag number while screaming verbal threats.

Apparently these people are relatives or crazed fans
of the Allman’s. This was 3:30 in the afternoon. I am
a 53 year old woman I weigh 128 pounds I certainly was
not dressed or appeared to be a threat to any one or
any thing. I am a white collar professional. I am
social services cord. If this grave is such a high
profile one I suggest these bunch of radicals hire
armed security to protect it. I myself have a
deceased brother and I certainly would not want any
one trampling or desecrating his grave which I
certainly DID NOT this one!! However, if someone
dropped an expensive item in his grave plot and
retrieved it I certainly I would not go ballistic!!
One other thing!! I am NOT even a fan of the Allman
Brothers and could not honestly tell you even one song
that they ever recorded!

After leaving the cemetery I attempted to locate a
police officer, I finally located a Lt. Parker at
about 4:10 p.m. and explained to him what had took
place in the cemetery. I showed him the paperwork that
I had for my purpose of being in the cemetery to start
with. Lt. Parker explained to me that “all sorts of
people visited that particular grave and just blew it
off “I explained to him that I felt threaten by these
radicals. They had my picture, my car description as
well as my tag number. My thoughts were what if they
are just a small fraction of a larger bunch of
radicals and will try to hunt me down. He told me he
felt that I was safe and to enjoy the rest of our stay
in Macon. (I left with the feeling this event occurs
often at this cemetery) Lt. Parker was very polite
but it really did not relieve my anxiety. I would of
felt better perhaps if an officer would have went to
the cemetery and if these individuals were still
there to speak with them but that was not the case .

My friend and I instead returned to our motel parking
the car in an area where it could not readily be seen
and stayed put the remainder of the weekend missing
all of the festival festivities.

I am bringing this matter to you attention so it can
be looked into and dealt with in hopes that the next
person that visits the cemetery will not be subjected
to the ordeal that I was forced to go through.

Events such as this will surely leave others with a
bad taste in there mouth for your city and will not
make future plans to visit it. It’s true a few bad
apples can spoil it for every one. I myself being
back in Florida tonight I am not sure how safe I am
here with these radicals having my information. It’s a
shame for the next while I will be forced to look over
my shoulder just because I choose to visit Macon.
This should not be happening to me or anyone else.

Again Sir, I hope you will rectify this situation at
the cemetery. These radicals are going to cause
someone to hurt them or get themselves hurt or worst.
What
if a heart patient would visit and accidentally step
the wrong way or drop something and were subjected to
the treatment that I experienced. The out come could
be fatal. It’s really a scary and serious situation.

I do appreciate you looking into this and hope for a
suitable outcome . Thank you.

Respectfully,
Betty Davis


bigann - 3/19/2007 at 04:09 PM

I told you they marketed the graves as a tourist attraction!

If you're a visitor, don't ask
By Ed Grisamore
TELEGRAPH STAFF COLUMNIST
Daily Gris | Ed Grisamore's blog
If you are a visitor to our city this week, we would like to take this opportunity to welcome you to the 25th annual Cherry Blossom Festival.

Yes, we really do have 300,000 beautiful Yoshino cherry trees. The figure I use is 299,638, which is roughly the size of our City Council. We didn't actually go around and count all the trees, but we've got an intern working on it.

We love this time of year. It is truly one of the great pleasures of living here. We walk with a little more bounce in our step. We let our hair down and eat pink pancakes on Saturday mornings.

We promise you those stubborn blossoms are going to be hopping and popping very soon. If you've never seen them, they come with a guarantee to take your breath away.

Macon really is a friendly town, and we've done our best to hide all the mean folks, at least until the end of March.

So feel free to stop and ask us anything. We'll be glad to point out some of our major tourist attractions , like Duane Allman's grave and the cannonball in the foyer at the top of Mulberry Street.

Just don't ask us why The Medical Center is located on Hemlock Street. Or why "weiner" is misspelled on the Nu-Way sign. Don't ask us why you have to travel to the upper end of Cherry Street to see a cherry tree. Or if we've ever wondered if the festival's annual balloon glow contributes to "glow-bal" warming.

And please don't ask us to explain why we have part of a street named after Pope Pius IX (Pio Nono Avenue), and the other part of the road (Pierce Avenue) named after George Pierce, a Methodist bishop and the first president of Wesleyan College. To further confuse/amuse us, the street name changes at the intersection where you'll find Vineville Baptist Church.

If puzzled looks are what you're after, just stroll down New Street (which is actually very old) and ask a few of the locals to name a statue in the city where the subject is sitting down.

You're likely to get 37 votes for Otis Redding down at Gateway Park. There will be at least 14 votes for Jesse Mercer over in the center of the university's campus, and the other 569 votes for the clown on the bench over at the Ronald McDonald House.

If you're a visitor from anywhere north of, say, Chattanooga, Tenn., please don't make fun of the way we talk. It's a whole different Scrabble board down here.

Even three-letter words are pronounced as two syllables. So, if you don't mind, please tell that Giuliani fellow to slow down when he's talking.

If your home address and ZIP code are, as we affectionately call it, "Notfromaroundhere," you're probably wondering about our diet, too. Yes, it's true we consider barbecue one of the five basic food groups. We also believe eating grits will add years to your life.

But there's more. We love to fry everything, even our tomatoes. And what we don't fry we cook all day in a big pot and stir in some ham hocks. It doesn't do much for our cholesterol count but at least we die happy.

Finally, if you see guys walking around this week wearing pink shirts, pink ties and pink hats, please don't question their manhood. It has taken 25 years to get them this far with the dress code. Every male wardrobe in Macon is given a free pass for 10 days.

Enjoy the festival. Take off your shoes and stay a while. Visit our museums. Eat in our restaurants. Spend your hard-earned money. (Lord knows, we could use the revenue.)

And ask us anything.

Just keep in mind there are some things we can't explain.


Jerry - 3/19/2007 at 04:12 PM

quote:
Attempting to "dislodge headstones"? Doesnt that qualify as a crime in Georgia?

What about private property rules regarding tresspassing?

I would like to make a suggestion from a law enforcement perspective: Jerry, anytime someone does something that is against Georgia law, a police report should be filed. This provides an ongoing record of events and provides law enforcement with a known pattern of issues at Rose Hill to where they can direct patrol operations and/or foot patrols to discourage this type of behavior. To put it bluntly, if no one ever files a report, as far as law enforcement is concerned, everything is just fine. Obviously, this isnt the case.

Are there any groups or organizations that would be willing to donate some time to "keep an eye" on the gravesite? I might also suggest contacting security companies and offer to trade onsite (here or elsewhere) advertisement or PR in exchange for guard services. Its worth a shot and all they can do is say no.


There are numerous case files on Rose Hill, but every time the city is asked about more patrols, the old spector of "budgetary constraints" comes up.
With the campaing of Macon being the "Song and Soul of the South" with the emphasis on it's music heritage, the CVB uses the gravesite on it's webpage as an attraction, Wiki also lists Rose Hill as an attraction, the Cherry Blossom Festival lists it in the same manner,
you would think the city would place security in the area at least during high traffic times.
I really don't think it would hurt much that if an officer in that precinct had some paperwork to do, he could park in Rose Hill while doing it.


bigann - 3/19/2007 at 04:37 PM

Do you have access to any of the photos of the woman 'trying to retrieve her camera' who was so rudely accosted that her little self had to go to the police? You know....the mama of the lawyer and the one who uses bad grammer.


BigDaveOnBass - 3/19/2007 at 05:49 PM

All I can say about her letter is......AWWWWWWWWWWWW!


bigann - 3/19/2007 at 06:05 PM

This woman was in between the graves when first spotted and was photographed on the wrong side of the ropes. I'm certain this isn't the first time she used the 'I dropped my camera' line. I've heard the entire story and I want to make it perfectly clear that most paranormal researchers do not behave in this manner. What a mess.

You're right....there needs to be a fence with a lock that will solve the problem and yet be fan friendly. AND all the people who promote the sites for their own agendas need to step up and fork over a few dollars to help build it. That includes the Macon Tourism boards, the city of Macon, the Georgia Music Hall of Fame and the Big House Foundation. At the very least, they could pay to have someone watch over the sites during scheduled events such as fundraisers and otehr functions. They're making money off the promotion of the graves....it's time some of them stepped up and assumed a share of the upkeep!!!


RedRider - 3/19/2007 at 07:17 PM

Betty, you really should know better at your age....


SkyPuppy - 3/19/2007 at 07:56 PM

quote:

You're right....there needs to be a fence with a lock that will solve the problem and yet be fan friendly. AND all the people who promote the sites for their own agendas need to step up and fork over a few dollars to help build it. That includes the Macon Tourism boards, the city of Macon, the Georgia Music Hall of Fame and the Big House Foundation. At the very least, they could pay to have someone watch over the sites during scheduled events such as fundraisers and otehr functions. They're making money off the promotion of the graves....it's time some of them stepped up and assumed a share of the upkeep!!!

Ann, as always..your right on the money! This is the bottom line.


piacere - 3/19/2007 at 07:59 PM

quote:
quote:
did anyone reply to my cast-iron fence/multiple locks suggestion? There's a pic of Billy the Kid's gravesite with one. Seems to work just fine. They sawed through the lock on it, thus my suggestion of multiple locks, it'd take hours to go through three or four locks, or, have a lock that's covered with a steel plate so sawing it is not possible.

just a suggestion to help in what is becoming a huge nuisance.


Oh come on, you're not a nuisance.
I responded in the "Dublin" thread about that.
There have been four fences erected around the gravesite over the years. Three were of the temporary type, and were promptly torn down. Many times phone calls would follow with the content generally being "Who are you to keep us off the graves?"
Proof of who these people were isn't court room certain, but there is a pretty good idea of what group they belong to.
One fence was left around the gravesite, but the posts holding the fence were bent level to the ground and the bushes underneath the fence were trampled down.
The other fence was eight feet high chain link with concertina razor wire on top.
The Mayor of Macon, Mr. Jim Marshall, decided that it spoiled his view as he jogged through Rose Hill, and ordered city workers to remove the fence.
the fence was removed before daybreak on morning, without a notification of the day/time of the removal.
What is really nasty about this, is that Marshall had recently fired a city engineer for mistakenly doing work on what he thought was city property, but was privately owned.



baloney. Not you, Jerry, or your post, the Mayor of Macon, first, and second, the cheesey fences put up. Cast iron, set in concrete, multiple or steel-encased locks. Again, Google "Billy the Kid's gravesite". Problem solved. In fact, one could be built that could look quite good, with flowers and ivy and such, and do honor and justice to Berry and Duane.


reneed - 3/19/2007 at 08:44 PM

i left me a message too................................


bigann - 3/19/2007 at 09:21 PM

In fact, one could be built that could look quite good, with flowers and ivy and such, and do honor and justice to Berry and Duane.

Interesting that you would bring this up. There are plans to put up a fence surrounding the site that are tasteful and fan friendly. Plans that have been drawn up with the approval of Galadrielle, Brittany and Candace. If these plans are implemented there would be a way for visitors to have a clear view of the graves and there would be a place for any memorabilia one would wish to leave, yet the graves themselves would not be accessable. To do it this way will be more expensive than just a fence that limited access completely, estimates ranging upwards of $25,000.

So, as I said before, some of these places profiting from the gravesites need to pony up some money to help build this fence and the fans who want to be able to visit this beautiful place could help with donations specifically targeted for the gravesites. I know the first cookbook raised some money that went directly for the care of the graves, however other proceeds from the book will be going to help with the upkeep of the cemetery in general......traffic necessitates road repair, etc.

There you have it. Now all that's needed is the money to impliment the plans so everyone can continue to go and enjoy the peace and inspiration of the place.


BigDaveOnBass - 3/19/2007 at 09:30 PM

I can attest to the need for road repairs inside Rose Hill. Back in July of last summer, when I met a few folks from the site who were in Macon for the first time, I bottomed my bike out in a big pothole and tore my kickstand return spring off the bike (Linnie will remember that, and the associated story. ) Inclement weather and water run off can beat the crap out of asphalt pavement if it gets a toe hold in the base.


bluedad - 3/20/2007 at 01:33 AM

My spider senses (bullchit detector) went off after reading Betty Davis's letter.

You can read the inscriptions perfectly standing at the foot of the graves.

And NO....Candace and Buford aren't the bad guys.

The City of Macon policeman and people who could right these type of situations (by fining people as they should)....shame on you.


bigann - 3/20/2007 at 01:54 AM

I just got a preview of some upcoming photos for this thread.....very interesting.


Haisija - 3/20/2007 at 02:20 AM

I'm sure she had no intention of composing a letter, until she was reminded by the HTW family that what she had done was not a nice thing to do.
Her letter is dated March 19...she was reminded of her tresspassing on the 18th.

So this is the lady who's daughter who is the attorney who was sitting on the grave with the ropes around it with the sign that says No Tresspassing ?


bigann - 3/20/2007 at 02:37 AM

I don't believe we have a picture of the ghost hunter women yet. There are so many, it gets confusing doesn't it!


Haisija - 3/20/2007 at 02:45 AM

quote:
I don't believe we have a picture of the ghost hunter women yet. There are so many, it gets confusing doesn't it!



Yes it does. I feel so...so....so......militant and radical !


RedRider - 3/20/2007 at 03:06 AM

LOL! Jon you sooo don't have a radical & militant look.....


RedRider - 3/20/2007 at 03:07 AM

Seems they have a witness now that speaks a lot like Betty....


Haisija - 3/20/2007 at 03:27 AM

quote:
LOL! Jon you sooo don't have a radical & militant look.....





TerriB - 3/20/2007 at 03:33 AM

quote:
My spider senses (bullchit detector) went off after reading Betty Davis's letter.


She's got Betty Davis lies


RedRider - 3/20/2007 at 03:46 AM

LOL!

Just checked my e-mail. Betty has also e-mailed the above same letter to the DA, who called her and told her he was very concernced.... As he well should be! Maybe if he starts prosecuting some of these "well intentioned" self centered folks it will eventually help the situation.


bigann - 3/20/2007 at 04:03 AM

If that lying sack of sh*t tries to cause any more trouble for Candace and Buford I'm going to call forth a flock of angry spirits to ransack her dreams!


RedRider - 3/20/2007 at 04:19 AM

It was awful nice of her to provide a written & probably recorded record of her transgressions.....


bigann - 3/20/2007 at 04:34 AM

Can I still summon the demons anyway?


RedRider - 3/20/2007 at 04:38 AM

You bet....


bigann - 3/20/2007 at 04:41 AM

If you want to see what these people are really like, go to the ghost website, click on shadowly pursuits and scroll down to haunted alabama. Scroll down a ways and check out the photo of the woman standing on the slab covering the grave. That says it all for me.


RedRider - 3/20/2007 at 04:48 AM


greggsfan59 - 3/20/2007 at 06:33 AM

I sent an email to them too. I don't care who you are you don't have a right to trespass on anybody's grave! If I was at Rose Hill on a daily basis and saw what was going on right in front of me I would probably have been in jail numerous times by now. I can see why Candace and Buford are so angry!

I hope Cookbook #3 doesn't have to go toward Candace and Buford's defense fund!


curry - 3/20/2007 at 10:44 AM

saw the photos from 'haunted Alabama' - yikes! Talk about no respect....did she really want her foot on the gravestone photo as well? and oh so casually leaning on that headstone like it was a fence. She should have had a photo done of her with the 7' Indian Skeleton with his arm(bones) around her....

good one about the bail money cookbook for C&B!!!!


Haisija - 3/20/2007 at 11:03 AM

poor victom...poor poor victom....









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Jerry - 3/20/2007 at 01:29 PM

I still haven't recieved a reply from my e-mail, which included a copy of the "Guidelines".

Red, which DA got the e-mail, and is it identical? If it isn't, would you be able to post a copy of it here without getting into trouble?


RedRider - 3/20/2007 at 01:47 PM

Here you go....looks the same but will post it anyways!

Hi Red, As you know there is a flip side of every situation. Please read the following letter that is in the hands of the Bibb County ( Macon) District Attorney. After sending him the email. I received a phone call from him. He was very concerned about the radical "grave watchers" and is personally looking into the situation. As well as my personal attorney who I happen to be the mother of. is checking into filing harassment charges. These people need to get a life!!! But I assure you they know that I have arrived and will think twice before they attack anyone else. Betty Davis

*************************************************************************** ***********************

March 19, 2007

To: Mr. Howard Simms – District Attorney

From: Betty Davis

Ref: Recent visit to your city

Dear Sir:

I and a lady friend were guests in your city this past weekend. We were their to take in the festivities of the Cherry Blossom Festival as well as doing some research at Rose Hill Cemetery. In doing genealogy research the name Temperance West had surfaced and I was to discover that she had been a victim of the Woolfolk crime
in 1887, thus I was hoping to collect some additional info that might be on her stone at Rose Hill Cemetery.

Unfortunately, this trip to Rose Hill put a serious damper to our visit to Macon, afterwards fearing for our well being we spent the remainder of our visit in our motel room. Quiet honestly I am not sure if I would feel safe ever returning to your city.

While at the cemetery and searching for the Woolfolk grave site, we were in the area on Carnation Ridge, which was near the Forest Hill section that we were looking for. We had noted from the map at the entrance of the cemetery the Duane Allman grave was in Carnation Ridge. We visited the grave site of the Allman Brothers and I was leaning over a bush/shrub at the front side of the grave trying to read the words on the epitaph at the foot of the grave.
While doing so I later realized having my camera on a strap on my wrist had fell off and into the bush/scrub. I stepped over the rope in the grave plot to retrieve my camera (as any other person would have done) and all of a sudden as I was leaning up Three (3) individuals two (2 ) males and (1 ) female came over a hill Commando style with the leader of the pack wearing a camouflage jacket.

These individuals were running toward me screaming and shooting vulgarities with the leader of the pack having a silver object in is hand pointing it at me!
All I could think of was “Oh my God these are crazed lunatics that are going to
abduct, rape and kill me. “To be frank with you sir the out come of this scenario could have been much more serious if this would of happen to someone carrying a weapon because all I saw was something silver pointing at me as these individuals were running and screaming toward me and all I could think of was it was a gun. I kept screaming and holding up my camera saying that all I was doing was picking up my camera that I had dropped. The main leader of the pack I discovered as he got closer to me was holding a camera and was taking a series of pictures of me while screaming in my face that he was having be arrested. I then run to my car that was parked a distance away and he then ran over got in his truck. A red truck and attempted to run my car down in the cemetery. Then a white truck emerged with the other male and the female in it writing down my car tag number while screaming verbal threats.

Apparently these people are relatives or crazed fans of the Allman’s. This was 3:30 in the afternoon. I am a 53 year old woman I weigh 128 pounds I certainly was not dressed or appeared to be a threat to any one or any thing. I am a white collar professional. I am social services cord. If this grave is such a high profile one I suggest these bunch of radicals hire armed security to protect it. I myself have a deceased brother and I certainly would not want any one trampling or desecrating his grave which I certainly DID NOT this one!! However, if someone dropped an expensive item in his grave plot and retrieved it I certainly I would not go ballistic!! One other thing!! I am NOT even a fan of the Allman Brothers and could not honestly tell you even one song that they ever recorded!

After leaving the cemetery I attempted to locate a police officer, I finally located a Lt. Parker at about 4:10 p.m. and explained to him what had took place in the cemetery. I showed him the paperwork that I had for my purpose of being in the cemetery to start with. Lt. Parker explained to me that “all sorts of
people visited that particular grave and just blew it off “I explained to him that
I felt threaten by these radicals. They had my picture, my car description as well as my tag number. My thoughts were what if they are just a small fraction of a larger bunch of radicals and will try to hunt me down. He told me he felt that I was safe and to enjoy the rest of our stay in Macon. (I left with the feeling this event occurs often at this cemetery) Lt. Parker was very polite but it really did not relieve my anxiety. I would of felt better perhaps if an officer would have went to the cemetery and if these individuals were still there to speak with them but that was not the case .

My friend and I instead returned to our motel parking the car in an area where it could not readily be seen and stayed put the remainder of the weekend missing all of the festival festivities.

I am bringing this matter to you attention so it can be looked into and dealt
with in hopes that the next person that visits the cemetery will not be subjected to the ordeal that I was forced to go through.
Events such as this will surely leave others with a bad taste in there mouth for your city and will not make future plans to visit it. It’s true a few bad apples can spoil it for every one. I myself being back in Florida tonight I am not sure how safe I am here with these radicals having my information. It’s a shame for the next while I will be forced to look over my shoulder just because I choose to visit Macon. This should not be happening to me or anyone else.

Again Sir, I hope you will rectify this situation at the cemetery. These radicals are going to cause someone to hurt them or get themselves hurt or worst. What
if a heart patient would visit and accidentally step the wrong way or drop something and were subjected to the treatment that I experienced. The out come could be fatal. It’s really a scary and serious situation.

I do appreciate you looking into this and hope for a postive outcome . Thank you.

Respectfully,
Betty Davis




SquatchTexas - 3/20/2007 at 02:15 PM

quote:
There are numerous case files on Rose Hill, but every time the city is asked about more patrols, the old spector of "budgetary constraints" comes up.


Of course . I would use the fact that there are other cases to my advantage. File a public information request with the Macon police department to get all police reports involving the cemetery and/or the gravesites. This will give you a number to work with. From this, you can use those figures to work with the city council (or whatever the equivalent in Macon might be) to show them that their "tourist attraction" has issues that are not being addressed, only documented. For instance, you will know that in 2005, the gravesites were defaced, say, 100 times and in 2006, that number went up to 132 times. This shows them that you, the taxpayer, are well aware of the lack of concern by the city on something they promote. Another suggestion would be to again try and work with your local governing authority to assess a portion of citation revenue towards security, maintenance and upkeep of the sites. You would likely need either a local vote or agreement by your governing board to assign, say 2% of all citiation revenue towards the graves. Either way, you will get them on record either supporting or failing to support your endeavor. Additionally, there may be Federal money available if Rose Hill is a federal historical landmark.

quote:
With the campaing of Macon being the "Song and Soul of the South" with the emphasis on it's music heritage, the CVB uses the gravesite on it's webpage as an attraction, Wiki also lists Rose Hill as an attraction, the Cherry Blossom Festival lists it in the same manner, you would think the city would place security in the area at least during high traffic times. I really don't think it would hurt much that if an officer in that precinct had some paperwork to do, he could park in Rose Hill while doing it.


I would use all of this to my advantage. If you havent already, I would contact other musicians, historical organizations etc. to help with promoting the idea that the sites need to be protected due to criminal negligence. Petitions get attention at city councils and to get anything done (as in a new law or ordinance) you are going to have to work with the government in Macon. Contact the local media to highlight the problems. This brings widespread awareness and the politicians hate negative media. Im telling you things I know you probably are already aware of..Im just talking off the top of my head.


RedRider - 3/20/2007 at 03:11 PM

Well according to the ghost trackers site Betty has given up. Must be her "attorney" advised her she has a big mouth, was standing on posted ground and you can't file harrasment charges when you keep going back for more.....

[Edited on 3/20/2007 by RedRider]


bigann - 3/20/2007 at 04:03 PM

I just read her posts in the ghost busters guest book. She seems to have serious issues and a penchant for telling other people what to do and calling them crazy. She needs to watch all that anger when she goes ghost busting...you can pick up some nasty energies if you don't watch out.

Also, for the record, I saved a picture of the person standing with one foot on a grave stone on her site. She knows what she did and no matter how much she cries foul I'm glad we all let her know we know what she did. What a bitch!


Haisija - 3/20/2007 at 04:27 PM

It seems like her cheese slid off her cracker...I don't think cheese whiz would even adhere to her cracker.


piacere - 3/20/2007 at 04:33 PM

quote:
It seems like her cheese slid off her cracker...I don't think cheese whiz would even adhere to her cracker.


Hey Hai

I hope you don't mind bro but I'm gonna carry that quote around for a while as my sig.

I busted out laughin' when I saw it.


Haisija - 3/20/2007 at 04:42 PM

quote:
I hope you don't mind bro but I'm gonna carry that quote around for a while as my sig.




heh heb Marc...I can only take credit for the 2nd half...and I have to give some praise to the Vaylorettes for all of the Cheese Whiz biz.


bigann - 3/20/2007 at 06:38 PM

As Elvis once after a visit from the Vaylorettes....thank you, thank you very much!


bigann - 3/20/2007 at 07:56 PM

Candace asked me to give each one of you a great big thank you for the support you have given her. So, THANK YOU!!!


gondicar - 3/20/2007 at 08:58 PM

Time for a group hug.


lolasdeb - 3/20/2007 at 09:06 PM

Conduct investigations in a professional manner.
Respect posted property, ask permission and do not trespass.
Ask the spirits permission prior to taking pictures.
Maintain reverence and respect during investigations.

Well - Miss Betty violated at least a few of her own organizations rules this time out - above are all in the BigBend site...maybe somebody should bust her with her OWN people.


BigDaveOnBass - 3/20/2007 at 09:09 PM

quote:
Candace asked me to give each one of you a great big thank you for the support you have given her. So, THANK YOU!!!
Please tell Candace and Buford Big Dave says hello next time you speak.


reneed - 3/20/2007 at 09:38 PM

OK, i just read and reread them 'letters'. one of em is 4 colums & the other'n is 5, both of em from the same person 9 minutes apart. they both say that she was NEAR the allman plot where her camera was in the bushes by the HEADSTONE. if she reached twix them 2 headstones to get anythang, her arms must 6 foot long apiece cause that's a long way to reach down even if you on your belly doin it!
next comes 'lara and beth' tellin that they was there & seen her 'bendin over the rope while readin the the writin at the FOOT of the toombstone'. you gotta have a neck that'll bend like a eel to read what's writ on them stones from the head of the graves.
1st off, it's the 'allman/oakley' plot. at least that's how i do it
2nd off, you ain't gotta BEND OVER nothin to read nothin on neither one of them graves. they can be read standin up OUTSIDE them ropes. if you got bad eyesight, get you some spectacles or a big ass spy glass or some binoculars!
3rd off, do like the damn sign say & keep your happy ass outside them ropes. DO NOT TRESSPASS meanin DO NOT REACH IN, DO NOT STEP IN, DO NOT LEAN IN. it's a real simple request. i been there, seen the graves, seen some of the crap people do to em, on em and around em. it's a shame. and then you get people like betty that wanna piss & whine cause she got caught.
maybe i'm the stupid one here, but i just don't get it ......................................


bigann - 3/20/2007 at 09:45 PM

You're wonderful Renee.....I wondered who would catch the discrepancies in the two posts on the site. Betty said she was at the head of the graves and dropped her camera in the bushes and the other one said she was at the foot. I personally believe the post from the two supposed residents of Macon was a plant by her accomplice....and unbelievably stupid one since she couldn't get the story right! You're one smart cookie!


reneed - 3/20/2007 at 10:25 PM

quote:
You're wonderful Renee.....I wondered who would catch the discrepancies in the two posts on the site. Betty said she was at the head of the graves and dropped her camera in the bushes and the other one said she was at the foot. I personally believe the post from the two supposed residents of Macon was a plant by her accomplice....and unbelievably stupid one since she couldn't get the story right! You're one smart cookie!

do that mean i get pomoted in the V's??


bigann - 3/20/2007 at 10:38 PM


reneed - 3/20/2007 at 11:26 PM

i just tried to put a answer to her letter thingy and when i typed in the 6 number code thingy, it told me that my 'verification code failed', my 'characters did not match the 6 largest ones in the graphic'. now i typed them damn numbers ever which way i can type em in on this computer and it still tell me the same story. how the hell do i get her to see what i want to tell her?


Haisija - 3/21/2007 at 12:10 AM

quote:
how the hell do i get her to see what i want to tell her?


Just post it on a No Tresspassing sign in her city.


Jerry - 3/21/2007 at 01:58 AM


do that mean i get pomoted in the V's??


You will always be one of the BIG V's in my book.

PS Tell Ms. Thang the hawk's back, and looks like she might have a nest close by.


bluedad - 3/21/2007 at 02:57 AM

"Budget Constraints"....a dumb ass response that should have said "We Don't Care" in this particluar situation.

Change the fines to touching the graves to $5,000.00 for each offense ( yeah....make it a real damn fine). Hire a police officer for $45,000.00 a year. Catch two idiots a month (I am sure that would be easy)...$10,000.00 a month ($120,000.00 a year), and make money.

Take the leftover money to provide upkeep on all the graves


bigann - 3/21/2007 at 03:21 AM

I like your thinking....and if they enforced even the $500 fine and caught ten....which would be easy to do.....there you go. We just need to figure out how to put constructive pressure on the people in charge to make it happen!


RedRider - 3/21/2007 at 03:34 AM

Well I wouldn't have a clue how to get started but Squatch's advice certainly got me pointed in the right direction if I was so inclined ....


bluedad - 3/21/2007 at 03:37 AM

quote:
I like your thinking....and if they enforced even the $500 fine and caught ten....which would be easy to do.....there you go. We just need to figure out how to put constructive pressure on the people in charge to make it happen!


Ann,

In my mind two things need to happen...

1) vote the current authorities out of office
2) Deputize Buford and Candace (to do the job they are doing anyway...albeit without authority) and split the fines 50/50 with the city of Macon...


bigann - 3/21/2007 at 03:51 AM

I wonder what the law is conderning Citizen Arrest....(yeah, I know....I think of Gomer on the Andy Griffith show too!)

If we could find that part out, they could just arrest the tresspassers and hold them until the police arrived. Or escort them to the jail themselves. I figure after one or two people are hauled down to the station and made to pay a fine, people might at least think twice.


bluedad - 3/21/2007 at 03:59 AM

quote:
I wonder what the law is conderning Citizen Arrest....(yeah, I know....I think of Gomer on the Andy Griffith show too!)

If we could find that part out, they could just arrest the tresspassers and hold them until the police arrived. Or escort them to the jail themselves. I figure after one or two people are hauled down to the station and made to pay a fine, people might at least think twice.


Pay once...think twice


bigann - 3/21/2007 at 03:59 AM

I thought for a minute we were dead in the water since most citizen arrest laws call for a felony to be committed......then I checked Georgia law and here is what I found in an article written by a Georgia attorney......I think we may be on to something:

5. Can Someone Other Than A Police Officer Arrest Me?

Answer:

Any person, such as a private security guard, can make a citizen's arrest if they see a misdemeanor being attempted or committed. (A misdemeanor is a criminal offense, usually punishable with a fine or short jail term.) They also can make a legal arrest for a felony as long as it actually was committed and they have good reason to believe you did it. They must take you to a police officer or judge who is required by law to take you into custody.


bluedad - 3/21/2007 at 04:04 AM

quote:
I thought for a minute we were dead in the water since most citizen arrest laws call for a felony to be committed......then I checked Georgia law and here is what I found in an article written by a Georgia attorney......I think we may be on to something:

5. Can Someone Other Than A Police Officer Arrest Me?

Answer:

Any person, such as a private security guard, can make a citizen's arrest if they see a misdemeanor being attempted or committed. (A misdemeanor is a criminal offense, usually punishable with a fine or short jail term.) They also can make a legal arrest for a felony as long as it actually was committed and they have good reason to believe you did it. They must take you to a police officer or judge who is required by law to take you into custody.




You may be on to something.

It would seem that the authorities would have to act.

Hope So


bigann - 3/21/2007 at 04:09 AM

It might get even better if this holds true in Georgia:

Despite the title, the arresting person does not usually have to be a citizen of the country where he/she is acting, as they are usually designated as any person with arrest powers. In the USA, when performing a citizen's arrest it is advisable not to give a Miranda Warning or caution as this could be construed as impersonating a police officer; instead the arrestor should try to remember and tell the police officers anything the detained person has said.

If what I've read in other articles holds true in Georgia, just about anyone who sees the transgression could make the arrest. I suggest we delve into this further and get more information. It's only going to take a few times of this happening to make the point. And Candace and Buford always take photos before confronting the people who have gone over the rope.....instant proof.


RedRider - 3/21/2007 at 04:29 AM

I say we give Renee a week in Macon when she's off this summer....


bigann - 3/21/2007 at 04:31 AM

I've got it.....Candace can hire her as a private security guard and then she can go with them and after they get the photos, Renee can open up a can of whup *ss on them. Give me just a minute.......thank you.... I was enjoying the scenario!


reneed - 3/21/2007 at 08:53 AM

quote:

do that mean i get pomoted in the V's??


You will always be one of the BIG V's in my book.

PS Tell Ms. Thang the hawk's back, and looks like she might have a nest close by.



why thank you very much mr. jerry sir
i'll let her see the picture, she'll be tickled over this! i wanna take her to the rose hill ramble next month. you goin?


reneed - 3/21/2007 at 08:57 AM

quote:
I say we give Renee a week in Macon when she's off this summer....

ain't gonna take no week


reneed - 3/21/2007 at 08:58 AM

quote:
I've got it.....Candace can hire her as a private security guard and then she can go with them and after they get the photos, Renee can open up a can of whup *ss on them. Give me just a minute.......thank you.... I was enjoying the scenario!

and for them that bigger than me, i just take em down to the hoopee & shoot em..........we got another gator in there now that look mean & hungry


RedRider - 3/21/2007 at 12:56 PM

Renee doesn't need to open a can of whoop ass, that girl IS WHOOP ASS....


bigann - 3/21/2007 at 04:35 PM

Good point, RR!


Jerry - 3/21/2007 at 07:15 PM


why thank you very much mr. jerry sir
i'll let her see the picture, she'll be tickled over this! i wanna take her to the rose hill ramble next month. you goin?


Not too often, they don't like it when I correct them on things.


reneed - 3/21/2007 at 10:58 PM

quote:

why thank you very much mr. jerry sir
i'll let her see the picture, she'll be tickled over this! i wanna take her to the rose hill ramble next month. you goin?


Not too often, they don't like it when I correct them on things.

well,,,,,,,,,,,,somebody gotta keep em straight............what's wrong with that?????
and miss thang say she love the picture!!! matter of fact it's gonna replace the hawk picture from last time as her new screen saver.....thank you my friend!!!!


Haisija - 3/22/2007 at 01:20 AM

Perhaps this may be some help.

Many houses up for sale have a small envelope box wiht a description of the house for sale.

My thought is to have one of these envelope boxes at the gravesight with some info sheets about Duane, Berry and some information about some of the past problems with vandalism at Rose Hill and the costs that have occured do to muddy feet, theft, chipping away at the marble, tombstone rubbings , burns and even stains left by flowers which were innocently thrown onto the marble and that the colors had blead out and migrated into the stone.
A note from family respectfully asking that visitors to not cross the baracade, that we understand the appreciation for Berry and Duane but please do not cross. Thousands of admireres of Duane and Berry have been here and gave showed their honor and respect without crossing the barricade, but it only took a few to create this situation and cause the damage.

The words written on Duane's grave would be a nice addition to the fact sheet.

Unfortunatley at the bottom of the page, the Macon law which prohibits tresspassing on these and other siights and the fines which will occur if you are caught tresspassing, and that chances are pretty darn good, you will be caught and turned in and that the city of Macon will accept your credit card payment and cash.



If this materializes, I'm sure it will be no problem for several of the local fans to crusie by every so often and refill the envelope box.


Jerry - 3/22/2007 at 01:24 AM

OK, I've had some requests to post some of the older photos to give an idea of what's been going on.

We'll start with some early ones that some of you might remember.






Now we'll get into some "Hello-Goodbyes"









And here's a couple of folks that obviously thought the gravesite was a drivethrough.





We end tonight with an scene that is seen all too often, the car with the single digit IQ



I'll get some more old ones for you, but right now I'm trying to work while the server is up.


Haisija - 3/22/2007 at 01:28 AM

Thats some pretty ugly stuff Jerry.


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 01:32 AM

Who ARE those people? Does anyone recognize who they are? Surely the one waving her hands like elephant ears at the camera isn't Kirsten West is it? Holy cow..please tell me it's not. The disrespect shown to Candace and those gravesites in those photos are apalling. And this is what goes on all the time!!!!


Jerry - 3/22/2007 at 01:38 AM

quote:
Who ARE those people? Does anyone recognize who they are? Surely the one waving her hands like elephant ears at the camera isn't Kirsten West is it? Holy cow..please tell me it's not. The disrespect shown to Candace and those gravesites in those photos are apalling. And this is what goes on all the time!!!!


I don't know. I've seen Kirk a couple of times, but only recognized him from descriptions.


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 02:04 AM

I just double checked......I was told it's Kirsten West who is on the wrong side of the rope mocking Candace and that subsequent photos that haven't been posted show the two of the other three people in the one posted on the other side of the rope with her.

I've been told for a long time that there are certain people who believe they have a right to cross the ropes any time they want to and have a sense of ownership of the graves that surpasses that of the family. I guess now those stories have been confirmed with irrefutable evidence......and it is apparant where many of the problems Candace and Buford have been having begin.

You'd think people who are making money off of the graves would show a little more respect....guess not.

[Edited on 3/22/2007 by bigann]


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 02:48 AM

ps. If you recognize the woman as being someone other than Kirsten West, please let us know who it is. I don't want to lay blame at the foot of the wrong person.


Jerry - 3/22/2007 at 02:57 AM

Was this the one you were asking about?


SkyPuppy - 3/22/2007 at 03:04 AM

What a sad sequence of event's. It is nice to know that there is a plan in place to do what is so obviously nessasary... to build a fence.
Now, to formulate a plan to pay for it.
Straight cash donations to this specific fund right off the bat should cut a small percentage off that.
Raffles, Sale's and Auction of Merchandise which are donated is another way to raise money.
We have had our Zebo, Kim and my ebay donation, and we have had Ann's cookbooks. We ALL here take credit for both these endevours being a success, and we can still do more!
I would have no problem hosting any Item someone want's to donate to the cause.

We can set up a raffle, or a private auction for down the road. Too late for the Beacon, or Wanee this time around, but maybe by next year. Take our time, do it right, and we can set something up that could put the fund in a very good position for a while.
Kim, Zebo, and myself are in the middle of another project which should raise some substantial cash which we are planning to make a major contribution from. Kim has already discussed the details with Candace, we have her blessings..(waiting, and hoping for Galadriel's) and I will unveil the plan's down the road. I can't right now.
Um,... this ain't no shirt, trust me. Be prepared. I'm like a little kid at Christmas with this, but it has to wait.
We can make it Happen!
"To accomplish great things we must not only act but also dream, not only plan but also believe."


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 03:22 AM

quote:
Was this the one you were asking about?




That's the one.....look right at home there don't they! Kudos to the one who stayed on the right side of the ropes!

Wonder how people who like to impress their frieinds by taking them to stand on the graves will take the news of a fence. Just listen to the outcry and the name calling. Only thing...this time the people who really do care for and respect the memories of Duane and Berry are getting behind the project.


RedRider - 3/22/2007 at 03:32 AM

It's sad how "entitled to" we as Americans feel about many things. Isn't that one of the things Europeons love & adore about us?


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 04:12 AM

Yep...one of our most endearing qualities!


BigDaveOnBass - 3/22/2007 at 12:55 PM

quote:



[Edited on 10/16/2007 by BigDaveOnBass]


RedRider - 3/22/2007 at 12:58 PM

For todays ironic twist it seems Miss Betty has put a guest contol thingy on her ghost website so those of us that have already posted can't trespass further....


SkyPuppy - 3/22/2007 at 01:18 PM

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quote:

Not sure if that one gal in the red top is Kirsten, but the one in the hot pink top sure has a nice rack!!

Have to admit..through all of this nonsense..It's the First thing I noticed too!!


piacere - 3/22/2007 at 01:27 PM

what pisses me off is the dog not on a leash.

these friggin' people, where do they come from?

If I had kinfolk buried somewhere and a dog relieved himself on or near the gravesite, dogs and people would be in the intensive care unit of a hospital.

I guarantee it.


piacere - 3/22/2007 at 01:29 PM

edit: just the people. The poor dog can't help it if his "master" is an ignorant fool.


SkyPuppy - 3/22/2007 at 01:33 PM

quote:
For todays ironic twist it seems Miss Betty has put a guest contol thingy on her ghost website so those of us that have already posted can't trespass further....

LOL..it is ironic, as she is now being Haunted.


Jerry - 3/22/2007 at 02:54 PM

quote:
quote:
For todays ironic twist it seems Miss Betty has put a guest contol thingy on her ghost website so those of us that have already posted can't trespass further....

LOL..it is ironic, as she is now being Haunted.


And just how easy is it to get past that?
Go look and see.


BigDaveOnBass - 3/22/2007 at 03:10 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:

Not sure if that one gal in the red top is Kirsten, but the one in the hot pink top sure has a nice rack!!

Have to admit..through all of this nonsense..It's the First thing I noticed too!!



[Edited on 10/16/2007 by BigDaveOnBass]


SkyPuppy - 3/22/2007 at 03:35 PM

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quote:
quote:
quote:

Not sure if that one gal in the red top is Kirsten, but the one in the hot pink top sure has a nice rack!!

Have to admit..through all of this nonsense..It's the First thing I noticed too!!

Forget Betty Davis Lies! Let's talk some more about Miss Hot Pink Hooters!!
See what happens to us men, when we hang out with The Valorettes!! Such Bad Influences
But, as Mae West once said "When I'm Good, I'm Good..But, when I'm Bad, I'm Better"


RedRider - 3/22/2007 at 03:42 PM

Why don't you start a "Who's the Hooter Girl Thread"!




Do these belong to you?????


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 03:48 PM

Alas, the Vaylorettes have once again ruined another generation of men!!! She's over the fence in forbidden territory and the only thing a guy can see is a chest 'filled with pride' Okay, guys....step away from the screen and look slowly down to her feet!


SkyPuppy - 3/22/2007 at 03:55 PM

quote:
Alas, the Vaylorettes have once again ruined another generation of men!!! She's over the fence in forbidden territory and the only thing a guy can see is a chest 'filled with pride' Okay, guys....step away from the screen and look slowly down to her feet!
she has feet?


RedRider - 3/22/2007 at 03:57 PM

I believe Sky & Mitzi are related....


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 03:57 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
For todays ironic twist it seems Miss Betty has put a guest contol thingy on her ghost website so those of us that have already posted can't trespass further....

LOL..it is ironic, as she is now being Haunted.


And just how easy is it to get past that?
Go look and see.


You're right Jerry. Got right through. I noticed she only left her pitiful story and the one making her sound like an injured party. Oh well...time to move on.....got any more pictures? Those last ones really opened my eyes and I thought I was wide open already!! Cars in the grave area??? Holy cow!


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 03:58 PM

quote:
quote:
Alas, the Vaylorettes have once again ruined another generation of men!!! She's over the fence in forbidden territory and the only thing a guy can see is a chest 'filled with pride' Okay, guys....step away from the screen and look slowly down to her feet!
she has feet?


I can see you've spent too much time in the Vaylorette hot tub....dry off and take a cold shower!!!


LinnieXX - 3/22/2007 at 05:29 PM

in planning for whatever barrier or fence is decided upon, might i suggest they make it so that you dont have to teeter on that brick wall? it is dangerous, and the only way you can actually see the graves dead on is to walk out on it.

can't imagine the lawsuit if someone actually fell off of it and hurt themselves, or worse yet, if you tripped and fell unto the grass in front of the grave because you'd have your picture splattered all of HTW!


BigDaveOnBass - 3/22/2007 at 05:43 PM

I have an idea if they can't get a fence up. Rig up a motion sensor sensative to about 5 feet from the center of the two graves, and when someone goes over the ropes and trips the motion sensor, an irate voice that sounds like Duane could start yelling and cussing at the tresspassers, "What the hell? Get the eff off of my grave you asswipe! Didn't you see the NO TRESSPASSING sign??? Get the hell out of here!!!"


BigDaveOnBass - 3/22/2007 at 05:44 PM

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Why don't you start a "Who's the Hooter Girl Thread"!




Do these belong to you?????


[Edited on 10/16/2007 by BigDaveOnBass]


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 06:02 PM

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in planning for whatever barrier or fence is decided upon, might i suggest they make it so that you dont have to teeter on that brick wall? it is dangerous, and the only way you can actually see the graves dead on is to walk out on it.

can't imagine the lawsuit if someone actually fell off of it and hurt themselves, or worse yet, if you tripped and fell unto the grass in front of the grave because you'd have your picture splattered all of HTW!


That's already been addressed and safety was factored into the design.


BigDaveOnBass - 3/22/2007 at 06:12 PM

I know Heidi Rossi and that doesn't look like her at all. This is Heidi Rossi.


[Edited on 3/22/2007 by BigDaveOnBass]


SkyPuppy - 3/22/2007 at 06:18 PM

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I know Heidi Rossi and that doesn't look like her at all.

Dave..only one way to solve this.
We need to set up a Lineup. I say we do it Porky's Style from the Movie.
It really is the only way to get to the bottom of this!




BigDaveOnBass - 3/22/2007 at 06:20 PM



[Edited on 10/16/2007 by BigDaveOnBass]


SkyPuppy - 3/22/2007 at 06:26 PM

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quote:
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I know Heidi Rossi and that doesn't look like her at all.

Dave..only one way to solve this.
We need to set up a Lineup. I say we do it Porky's Style from the Movie.
It really is the only way to get to the bottom of this!






Vinny....I told you to go to the showers!!!!
Thanks Ann..I needed that


TerriB - 3/22/2007 at 06:31 PM

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I know Heidi Rossi and that doesn't look like her at all.

Asked and answered. Please let me state up front, I have no idea who any of the people in the pictures are and therefore am not in a position to state catagorically who is in the photos. I want that totally understood.


Then may I ask why you brought Heidi's name into this? Heidi is one of the sweetest and most respectful people I know, and I'm lucky to call her my friend.

I mean no disrespect to you, Ann, but I was just wondering.


BigDaveOnBass - 3/22/2007 at 06:31 PM

A few question need to be asked then to help determine who might be the culprits in the photo.

1. When was the photo in question taken?
2. Was anything said to these folks when the photo was taken?
3. What was their response if spoken to?
4. Do you really think anyone who is a part of this website would have the balls to step over the ropes in light of the numerous discussions we've had regarding this subject?

People on this forum are well aware of the boundries set up to secure these graves. I would HOPE that an informed fan from this website wouldn't dare step over. That being said, my opinion is they were casual fans and not a hard core fans. Hard core fans know better.


croky - 3/22/2007 at 06:38 PM

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I know Heidi Rossi and that doesn't look like her at all.

Asked and answered. Please let me state up front, I have no idea who any of the people in the pictures are and therefore am not in a position to state catagorically who is in the photos. I want that totally understood.




So why even throw a name out there?
This thread is getting more and more like a witch hunt everyday.
I don't mean any diserespect and I think the cause is admirable,
but this is nuts.


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 06:53 PM

You're right....no need to ask who.....the pictures as they're posted can speak for themselves.


bluboy - 3/22/2007 at 07:55 PM

There is an old blues song that now goes by one or two titles, credited to Blind Lemon Jefferson; it was released in 1928. One title is “One Kind Favor” and the other is “See That My Grave Is Kept Clean”. Those two titles taken together pretty much sum up the song lyric.

Lemon was buried in an unmarked grave in a field near Wortham, Texas. I don’t know the state of his grave presently -- whether anyone has chosen to make some commemoration or whatever. I understand Robert Johnson actually has three official graves – talk about being jerked around. Anyway, if Lemon is still in an unmarked grave then I believe he got his wish.

With regard to all the abuse of these Rose Hill graves over the years, I can imagine in a lighter moment (with absolutely no intended disrespect), that if the spirit of a certain person could re-enter his earthly form, he might raise himself up on one elbow and holler out, “Hey Lemon, got any more space in your plot for a couple guitar pickers?!?!?” That thought can crack me up. I hope I’m not offending anyone.




BigDaveOnBass - 3/22/2007 at 08:10 PM

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There is an old blues song that now goes by one or two titles, credited to Blind Lemon Jefferson; it was released in 1928. One title is “One Kind Favor” and the other is “See That My Grave Is Kept Clean”. Those two titles taken together pretty much sum up the song lyric.

Lemon was buried in an unmarked grave in a field near Wortham, Texas. I don’t know the state of his grave presently -- whether anyone has chosen to make some commemoration or whatever. I understand Robert Johnson actually has three official graves – talk about being jerked around. Anyway, if Lemon is still in an unmarked grave then I believe he got his wish.

With regard to all the abuse of these Rose Hill graves over the years, I can imagine in a lighter moment (with absolutely no intended disrespect), that if the spirit of a certain person could re-enter his earthly form, he might raise himself up on one elbow and holler out, “Hey Lemon, got any more space in your plot for a couple guitar pickers?!?!?” That thought can crack me up. I hope I’m not offending anyone.
No offense taken by me, bluboy. I imagine Duane woud be fairly disgusted by the entire situation.


croky - 3/22/2007 at 08:23 PM

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quote:
There is an old blues song that now goes by one or two titles, credited to Blind Lemon Jefferson; it was released in 1928. One title is “One Kind Favor” and the other is “See That My Grave Is Kept Clean”. Those two titles taken together pretty much sum up the song lyric.

Lemon was buried in an unmarked grave in a field near Wortham, Texas. I don’t know the state of his grave presently -- whether anyone has chosen to make some commemoration or whatever. I understand Robert Johnson actually has three official graves – talk about being jerked around. Anyway, if Lemon is still in an unmarked grave then I believe he got his wish.

With regard to all the abuse of these Rose Hill graves over the years, I can imagine in a lighter moment (with absolutely no intended disrespect), that if the spirit of a certain person could re-enter his earthly form, he might raise himself up on one elbow and holler out, “Hey Lemon, got any more space in your plot for a couple guitar pickers?!?!?” That thought can crack me up. I hope I’m not offending anyone.
No offense taken by me, bluboy. I imagine Duane woud be fairly disgusted by the entire situation.



Do you think the Brothers may have stepped on a grave or a marking
back in the day? I think that good ole Duane is gettin a helluva kick
outta people freakin over his gravesite.


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 08:24 PM

I don't think Berry would be too happy either.


croky - 3/22/2007 at 08:28 PM

Maybe not, but weren't these guys
doing the same thing 35 years ago.

I'm partially playing devil's advocate, but I'm a little
amused, disturbed, and confused by the way that things
are getting played out in this thread.


Lee - 3/22/2007 at 08:37 PM

Remember the picture that was taken at the mausoleum with Berry standing over the others?


croky - 3/22/2007 at 08:41 PM

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quote:
Maybe not, but weren't these guys
doing the same thing 35 years ago.

I'm partially playing devil's advocate, but I'm a little
amused, disturbed, and confused by the way that things
are getting played out in this thread.


Interesting point, Croky, and I can't say I disagree with you. I doubt many others will see it the same way.



I'm not running for office, so that's fine.
Just wanted to look at it from a different angle.


BigDaveOnBass - 3/22/2007 at 09:01 PM

It's real easy to get fired up over this, as we are (mostly) all adults and act with a certain amount of dignity at this age. Back in the old days (late 60's, early 70's,) the band members were young men in their early 20's, and were pretty wild and carefree. Talking about what went on then and what is going on now is sort of like comparing apples to oranges. I know it may wreak of double standard, but unless we were running with them back then, we don't know. Yes, we have seen pictures of Duane standing on a marker, and yes, they did pose in front of the Bond monument. Correct me if I am wrong, but the issue today is about crossing over rope boundries that clearly state "NO TRESSPASSING." I don't think that was an issue 36-38 years ago at the Bond Monument or other sites within Rose Hill. The issue of showing respect to the dead could be an entirely different discussion. But, in my opinion, it's about respecting the wishes of the family to stay outside the ropes and off of the graves. That's showing respect for the LIVING.


croky - 3/22/2007 at 09:23 PM

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It's real easy to get fired up over this, as we are (mostly) all adults and act with a certain amount of dignity at this age. Back in the old days (late 60's, early 70's,) the band members were young men in their early 20's, and were pretty wild and carefree. Talking about what went on then and what is going on now is sort of like comparing apples to oranges. I know it may wreak of double standard, but unless we were running with them back then, we don't know. Yes, we have seen pictures of Duane standing on a marker, and yes, they did pose in front of the Bond monument. Correct me if I am wrong, but the issue today is about crossing over rope boundries that clearly state "NO TRESSPASSING." I don't think that was an issue 36-38 years ago at the Bond Monument or other sites within Rose Hill. The issue of showing respect to the dead could be an entirely different discussion. But, in my opinion, it's about respecting the wishes of the family to stay outside the ropes and off of the graves. That's showing respect for the LIVING.



Ropes or no ropes, signs or no signs.......respect is respect
and you should have as much if not more for the dead than the living.


reneed - 3/22/2007 at 09:39 PM


this dude is either got his self a case of crabs or he got some of them red bugs out'n that tree over his head..........


Haisija - 3/22/2007 at 09:41 PM

According to a guy at work, he said Blind Lemon Jeffersons grave is weeded over and there is small town which has a street party for him every year, and most don't know anything other than,,,,lots of beer and drunks in the street..

and I'm bumping this because it seems like a logical first step.

Perhaps this may be some help.

Many houses up for sale have a small envelope box wiht a description of the house for sale.

My thought is to have one of these envelope boxes at the gravesight with some info sheets about Duane, Berry and some information about some of the past problems with vandalism at Rose Hill and the costs that have occured do to muddy feet, theft, chipping away at the marble, tombstone rubbings , burns and even stains left by flowers which were innocently thrown onto the marble and that the colors had blead out and migrated into the stone.
A note from family respectfully asking that visitors to not cross the baracade, that we understand the appreciation for Berry and Duane but please do not cross. Thousands of admireres of Duane and Berry have been here and gave showed their honor and respect without crossing the barricade, but it only took a few to create this situation and cause the damage.

The words written on Duane's grave would be a nice addition to the fact sheet.

Unfortunatley at the bottom of the page, the Macon law which prohibits tresspassing on these and other siights and the fines which will occur if you are caught tresspassing, and that chances are pretty darn good, you will be caught and turned in and that the city of Macon will accept your credit card payment or cash.



If this materializes, I'm sure it will be no problem for several of the local fans to crusie by every so often and refill the envelope box.


BigDaveOnBass - 3/22/2007 at 09:47 PM

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Are you saying that as long as the family of the person who is buried there doesn't say anything it is OK to walk on a grave, or pose for a picture or whatever? I'm sorry, but I respectfully disagree.
No, Otie, I didn't say that. I said the people who go over the ropes TODAY are trespassing since it is posted "NO TRESPASSING."
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As for the times or the ages of the band members, I am about the same age as those guys and I would have said the same thing in 1969 as I did today. Respect should come with adulthood, not later in adulthood.
As I said, the band's behavior when they visited the cemetary back in the day is a whole 'nother topic of discussion. I won't judge them for past conduct. It's water under the bridge.

Personally, I wouldn't stand on top of a large marble marker, but I have stood on top of a grave before (it was grass covered with a flush bronze marker....family graves,) not in a disrespectful manor, but for access. I scattered some of my mother's ashes over my grandparent's graves. A perpetual care cemetary like that, it's hard to NOT walk on them. I also kneel down to edge the grass away from the marker as it grows over it. You're either on top of the grave at the head of it or at the foot of another. How do you stay off of graves when you are basically row after row, side by side, of markers like that? I was taught respect for the dead by my folks. It's simply acting in a respectful manor while in the cemetary. Does kneeling down to clean up around the bronze marker on a grave in a perpetual care cemetary seem disrespectful?

Again, IMO, sitting, standing or laying on top of a slab marker like DA's and BO's is disrespectful, and I'm sure most would agree to that. Willfully disobeying a NO TRESPASSING sign is disrespectful, also.

[Edited on 3/22/2007 by BigDaveOnBass]


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 09:51 PM

Part of the 'legend' being promulgated is that all the members of the band hung out in the cemetery every night, partying and engaging in sexual escapades. I can't say they didn't go there once in a while and party, write songs and other stuff....but where in the legend does it say anyone in the band desecrated any graves with graffiti, left the place trashed or trespassed, as Dave pointed out, where they were requested to not tresspass?

Again, Dave is right.....what was done then has no bearing on what's being done now.....crossing a posted trespass notice, defacing the stones, leaving litter and disrespecting family members who ask you to leave. Those who think there is a translation of behavior here should rethink their position.

The graves....and that includes all of the lot, brick wall area included....is private property. If you respect these two men and their memory and want to be able to visit the site to draw inspiration or just say hello, you'll find a way to help build the fence to achieve that purpose.

Nothing in the photos posted so far can or should be excused by anyone for any reason.

[Edited on 3/22/2007 by bigann]


PhotoRon286 - 3/22/2007 at 09:57 PM

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Alas, the Vaylorettes have once again ruined another generation of men!!! She's over the fence in forbidden territory and the only thing a guy can see is a chest 'filled with pride' Okay, guys....step away from the screen and look slowly down to her feet!


She has feet?


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 10:02 PM

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OK,D Dave, answer this for me. What is the difference between a grave that is roped off and one that isn't? Either way, you are trespassing. What is the difference between what is going on at Duane's and Berry's graves today and what the Brothers were doing? They were drinking, getting high or whatever. To me, it is the same thing and is somewhat relevant to this discussion. What these jackasses are doing these days at the gravesites is 100% wrong. But so was what the band did back in the day.


I'll agree with you that what the band did wasn't right. I won't even try to defend that at all. The transgressions today are inspired by that legend. But people who personally knew Duane and Berry.....and it's their graves we're concerned with now...state uncatagorically neither of them were disrespectful of people's property and Berry was raised to respect cemeteries and the people resting there. And they would never show the disrespect to a sister of a friend that people have shown to Candace.

But as I said....no excuses for those who did it back then.....no excuses for those who do it now.


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 10:10 PM

ps...yes, she had feet.....notice which side of the rope they're on!

And again I agree with Dave. At a funeral I never know where to stand because I always know where ever it is, I'm on someone's grave. Hard to tell when you're walking to and from a place who is buried where even with the markers!


BigDaveOnBass - 3/22/2007 at 10:11 PM

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OK,D Dave, answer this for me. What is the difference between a grave that is roped off and one that isn't? Either way, you are trespassing. What is the difference between what is going on at Duane's and Berry's graves today and what the Brothers were doing? They were drinking, getting high or whatever. To me, it is the same thing and is somewhat relevant to this discussion. What these jackasses are doing these days at the gravesites is 100% wrong. But so was what the band did back in the day.
I won't disagree with that Otie, but like I said, I wasn't there, I don't know to what extent they tresspassed. We know the story about what happened on top of Liz Reed's grave. We've seen the picture of Duane standing on a marble slab marker. They took band pictures in front of the Bond monument. In their minds, they probably didn't think they were hurting anything or anyone. I'm not trying to excuse their behavior. Do we know if they were ever run off from the cemetary by the authorities? I don't know, and while it may be relevant in attitude, if no one was there to vocalize their disapproval, how would they know what they were doing was wrong? All I know is at the present time, there is a rope and a sign that reads NO TRESPASSING. People are ignoring the sign, going over the rope and then getting indignant when someone expresses disapproval of it. If someone would have done the same thing back in 69-70, I'm sure the band would have responded appropriately. But would we have songs like IMOER or Little Martha? I don't know, and I'm not going to argue about a past I have no control over.


BigDaveOnBass - 3/22/2007 at 10:25 PM

Otie, that was really a rhetorical question. The cemetary is part of the band legend. We know some songs were inspired by events that happened there. There was no logic to my statement. There's not much logic to anything else I say most of the time.

Have a good evening, bud. EAPFP


bigann - 3/22/2007 at 10:51 PM

they didn't have a lot of respect for authority in those days.

So goes the legend. Not a lot of people back then had much respect for the establishment which is different from the respect we're discussion. The people I'm close to say Duane and Berry were very respectful of people and sensitive of their feelings by and large.


bluedad - 3/23/2007 at 02:07 AM

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I know Heidi Rossi and that doesn't look like her at all. This is Heidi Rossi.


[Edited on 3/22/2007 by BigDaveOnBass]


Not a chance of a snowball in hell this was these two peeps.....

Not a chance!!


Jerry - 3/23/2007 at 02:40 AM

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If someone would have done the same thing back in 69-70, I'm sure the band would have responded appropriately. But would we have songs like IMOER or Little Martha?



I wasn't going to say any more on the subject because I have pretty much spoken my mind. But that statement that we may not have those songs excuses nothing, IMO. That is faulty logic. And if what I read about the guys is true, they didn't have a lot of respect for authority in those days.

OK, I am done. Peace, Brother Dave.


Actually, Little Martha has nothing to do with anything in Rose Hill, and Dickey used to meet with a married lady in secret. He couldn't use her name, so he used part of a name from a grave where he would sit on the steps, watch the river and trains go by. Rose Hill really is a good place to sit and watch nature go by.
Duane, on a marker? I've never heard anything on that. You must remember that Duane was gone more from Macon than the rest of the band. He really didn't spend much time here. He was busy doing his backup gigs, recording with other artists, and just getting bills paid.

Want a story on Liz Reed? Think of sitting on the steps to the Napier plot, a train is coming from the north into Macon. When in the valley about a mile from Rose Hill the train blows a long note on its' horn, and as it makes the turns the pitch and volume change.
Then think of the long opening mournful notes on IMOER. Pay attention to the pace of the bass line and hear the train clacking over the rails and the organ picking up the echoes of the horn bouncing between the trees.
While sitting there, alone, you feel down without your lady love, then you remember her touch and feel, her smile and laughter, and you don't feel so alone, because as long as you remember her, she is always with you. Get the image.

Now, as far as respect for graves and mauseleums, yes, the photo of the Bond Monument might seem disrespectful, but my feelings on that is where he was standing was an outside wall of the structure much like standing on the coping surrounding many plots.

Now, the guys admit to spending time walking around Rose Hill and admiring the stonework and quite solitude the area offered. Gregg has stated that they did go "bagging" once in a while (brown bag a bottle), but no one has ever admitted to doing drugs at Rose Hill.


Jerry - 3/23/2007 at 03:16 AM

Please remember that the photos I've posted in the past few days are 'archival'. I pretty much play grab bag and sort them out.
Some are as old as twenty years, and some are as recent as last year.
Check the condition of the lot and growth of the plants to guage when they were taken.

Tonight I'll post just a couple of ones concerning issuse of those who take rubbings.

Dave, this one is way too young for you.



Here's one for the Vaylorettes.



And a few that didn't get away.



bigann - 3/23/2007 at 03:24 AM

Well, that certainly explains the abundance of crayon marks on the stones.


RedRider - 3/23/2007 at 03:37 AM

How beautiful it looks with the hydrangeas in the pot etc...


Jerry - 3/23/2007 at 03:51 AM

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How beautiful it looks with the hydrangeas in the pot etc...


Yeah, but they've been stolen, several times.


RedRider - 3/23/2007 at 04:26 AM

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How beautiful it looks with the hydrangeas in the pot etc...


Yeah, but they've been stolen, several times.


That's so cruel. They bring the family a great deal of comfort putting them there and tending to them....


bigann - 3/23/2007 at 04:30 AM

I guess that's what the point of this tread of awareness is about.....all the stuff that has gone on really is cruel. You found just the right word.


dimplesjbc - 3/23/2007 at 04:35 AM

It will feel very extra satisfied pulling on my shirts from Kim , what a great cause .


reneed - 3/23/2007 at 08:56 AM

i would feel very extra comfortable beat the hell out'n some of these stupid ass people


croky - 3/23/2007 at 01:46 PM

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Part of the 'legend' being promulgated is that all the members of the band hung out in the cemetery every night, partying and engaging in sexual escapades. I can't say they didn't go there once in a while and party, write songs and other stuff....but where in the legend does it say anyone in the band desecrated any graves with graffiti, left the place trashed or trespassed, as Dave pointed out, where they were requested to not tresspass?

Again, Dave is right.....what was done then has no bearing on what's being done now.....crossing a posted trespass notice, defacing the stones, leaving litter and disrespecting family members who ask you to leave. Those who think there is a translation of behavior here should rethink their position.

The graves....and that includes all of the lot, brick wall area included....is private property. If you respect these two men and their memory and want to be able to visit the site to draw inspiration or just say hello, you'll find a way to help build the fence to achieve that purpose.

Nothing in the photos posted so far can or should be excused by anyone for any reason.

[Edited on 3/22/2007 by bigann]


The alternate point of view that was introduced was in no way an attempt
to make up an excuse in order to pardon the people in the photos.
In reality, what was done back then CAN be linked to what is going on
now because both acts can be viewed as disrespectful.
We can't argue what's in the photos, that's obvious.
And I'm not too caught up in legend or what people who knew them have to say.
Unfortunately we can't ask the brothers that are gone, what really went down.


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[Edited on 3/23/2007 by SkyPuppy]

[Edited on 3/23/2007 by SkyPuppy]


bigann - 3/23/2007 at 03:44 PM

what was done back then CAN be linked to what is going on
now because both acts can be viewed as disrespectful.
We can't argue what's in the photos, that's obvious.
And I'm not too caught up in legend or what people who knew them have to say.
Unfortunately we can't ask the brothers that are gone, what really went down.


I'm almost at a loss to understand what's being said here. What went on back then as far as Duane and Berry is limited to a picture or two and stories about what other members of the band may have admitted to doing. Duane and Berry's participation in much of the 'legend' has been refuted by a number of sources who actually knew the people and were there at the time. And it's their graves we're concerned withl

But for the sake of discussion let's say both of them spent hours in the cemetery doing heaven knows what......and that this would be considered disrespectful......exactly how does that translate into what's being done today. As stated....bad behavior is bad behavior. Why do people feel they have a right to participate in it today?

The math has been done before but let's do it again.....there were maybe 10 people including the band and those around them and even if they all went to the cememtery every night....and we know they didn't because Duane was gone somewhere else most of the time and the others were playing or in the studio...but let's just say there were 10 people out there every night all week. That would translate to a total of 70 visitors.

Now digest this....there are approximately 800 cars driving through Rose Hill every week. (This means about 41,600 cars a year driving on the cemetery roads) If even half the cars contained more than one person that would be 1,200 people a week which would translate into a minimum of 62,400 people a year. If only half that number (and we know it's higher) visited the graves.....that's 31,200 people a year. Say there's only about 10 percent of those visitors who feel the need to 'live the legend' you're talking about 3,120 people.

Do you have any idea how much damage people just paying their respects can do just by standing on the wall or around the ropes (which, by the way, is part of the lot and private property)? Think about the damage three thousand people can do the the marble by standing on it or the foliage by trampling though it. Think about the debris dropped or memorabilia left. It's a staggering amout of traffic to the site.

Every person who goes over the ropes has his or her special reason for doing so....thinking, perhaps, what harm can one or two people do? If it was just one or two people, it wouldn't make much difference....but over 3,000 DO make a difference. And no amount of justification that 'the band did it in the day' makes it right today.

I don't care if the band slept on the stones at night back then....I do know for a fact had a member of the family asked them to leave, they'd have gone and not come back. And as I've said before....these are Berry and Duane's graves and their family should be respected.....not, as we've seen in the pictures....mocked and ridiculed because they don't want the site to turn into another Graceland. If you profess to respect those two men....you must therefore respect their families and their wishes.

[Edited on 3/23/2007 by bigann]

[Edited on 3/23/2007 by bigann]


MissElf - 3/23/2007 at 06:12 PM

Y'all can holler at me all you want. I'll let it roll off. This is a negative thread. Negativity goes no where. Violence is wrong. Serves no purpose. All of the RH threads either start out negative or get there soon. The people who want to give Candace money are doing so. I doubt the minds of those who do not want to send her money will be changed by these threads.

I believe Berry and Duane were peaceful people.


bigann - 3/23/2007 at 06:36 PM

Duane didn't suffer fools lightly.

While I respect the opinion of those who might think this is a negative thread, I suggest the negativity isn't in the posting of the photos or the explaination of what's going on in Rose Hill but rather from those who have created the situation with their transgressions and who continue to voice the 'Duane and Berry did it, so can I' mentality.

I tend to liken the situation to someone breaking your windshield and then saying you're creating negativity by asking them to pay for the damage.


MissElf - 3/23/2007 at 06:42 PM

I don't suffer fools at all. There's no violence involved in my non-suffering. I distance myself from the fool.


croky - 3/23/2007 at 07:31 PM

quote:
Duane didn't suffer fools lightly.

While I respect the opinion of those who might think this is a negative thread, I suggest the negativity isn't in the posting of the photos or the explaination of what's going on in Rose Hill but rather from those who have created the situation with their transgressions and who continue to voice the 'Duane and Berry did it, so can I' mentality.

I tend to liken the situation to someone breaking your windshield and then saying you're creating negativity by asking them to pay for the damage.



The impression I get is that you respect opinions until they
stray from your line of thinking. Then we all become transgressors.


bigann - 3/23/2007 at 07:31 PM

quote:
Bigann, I think that what MissElf meant by the negativity is those people who wish to beat the crap out of the transgressors. I realize that it is mostly just talk, but the thought lowers us to the level of the transgressors.


I respect that opinion and I agree. I can't think of a single person I've met who would actually do any of the things they've expressed doing but I also understand that sometimes you can get so mad you have to express it vocally. I for one, never thought my mother was really going to 'beat a lung out of me.'

Oh, and my comment about Duane not suffering fools was targeted to those who have committed the transgressions....not at all to imply a response to MissElf who I have found to be a thoroughly delightful person.


rosshmusic - 3/23/2007 at 07:33 PM

quote:
quote:
Duane didn't suffer fools lightly.

While I respect the opinion of those who might think this is a negative thread, I suggest the negativity isn't in the posting of the photos or the explaination of what's going on in Rose Hill but rather from those who have created the situation with their transgressions and who continue to voice the 'Duane and Berry did it, so can I' mentality.

I tend to liken the situation to someone breaking your windshield and then saying you're creating negativity by asking them to pay for the damage.



The impression I get is that you respect opinions until they
stray from your line of thinking. Then we all become transgender.


bigann - 3/23/2007 at 07:40 PM

I'm not certain I understand your point Corky. I'd appreciate enlightenment with specificity.


[Edited on 3/23/2007 by bigann]


croky - 3/23/2007 at 08:57 PM

quote:
I'm not certain I understand your point Corky. I'd appreciate enlightenment with specificity.


[Edited on 3/23/2007 by bigann]



"While I respect the opinion of those who might think this is a negative thread, I suggest the negativity isn't in the posting of the photos or the explaination of what's going on in Rose Hill but rather from those who have created the situation with their transgressions and who continue to voice the 'Duane and Berry did it, so can I' mentality."


Seeing that I haven't read or heard anyone say "Duane and Berry did it,
so I can do it".......I figured that was a shot at me since I was the one
who questioned the actions of the Bros at Rose Hill years ago.


bigann - 3/23/2007 at 10:59 PM

I can understand how and why you might have taken that personally but you were not the one or even one of the ones I was referring to. I'm sorry you thought that. This is a problem that's been going on for a long time and there are many others who have said a great deal on the subject to justify smoking, drinking, having sex, etc. on the graves. If I read your posts correctly, you never said that was acceptable.


Jerry - 3/24/2007 at 12:45 AM

Here's a question. Wouldn't it have made a better story about "Little Martha" if someone had used a small grave that overlooks Carnation Ridge than a statue halfway between the gravesite and the Bond Monument.


Stephen - 3/24/2007 at 01:04 AM

When I look at these photos I get upset enough to want to open a pretty major can of whupass on these people. Now given what the photos are depicting -- desecration -- isn't it only a normal reaction to get that upset? That's not negativity, that's reacting to jerks showing blatant disregard for signs & the sanctity of a gravesite -- there's even a grownup sitting on one of the graves like he owns it -- he would not be sitting there long if I was there.
Thanks for keeping us posted Jerry.
Thank you Candace & Buford.


RedRider - 3/24/2007 at 03:00 AM

OK I can see where this topic can get mired in negativity however I believe the good far outweighs the bad. Folks awareness and opinions have indeed been changed because of this topic being "discussed". And many people who wouldn't have given a thought to supporting Rose Hill have now done so. I think much more can be accomplished as well; like better protection and possibly recieving funds from the city for the upkeep out of fines that are actually given. And if we can't change the situation for the better maybe a more permanent fencing/ barrier solution. And somewhere, sometime in this better world I would like to see the angels replaced for Duane's & Berry's loved ones.....


bigann - 3/24/2007 at 03:23 AM

Interesting that you mention the angels. Several years ago one of my friends was certain she spotted the angels in a piece about the stolen monument industry. Seems there is quite a market in the beautiful old sculptures in cemeteries and the police busted a ring of the theives. In the piece they scanned over some of the stolen items and there were angels she swore looked just like the original ones. By the time she tried to track them down, no one seemed to know what happened to anything.

I hope when the fence is built it will then be safe to replace the angels with replicas of the original ones. Wouldn't that be nice?!


RedRider - 3/24/2007 at 02:31 PM

Yep!


reneed - 3/24/2007 at 05:40 PM

i would love to see the angels back on the graves.......


IAmReallyElvis - 3/24/2007 at 06:31 PM

Take care of this people, it is up to you. You are the one's who care the most it seem's.
Don't let happen to Duane and Berry's grave, what happened to mine.


BigDaveOnBass - 3/24/2007 at 07:30 PM

THAT'S IT!!! Elvis is on the right track!!

The solution to this whole debacle is to relocate Duane and BO's graves to the back yard of The Big House, a la Ellvis' tomb at Graceland. At least it will be more difficult to access the graves at The Big House if they have the back yard secured. Won't The Big House Museum have security cameras, if not a resident caretaker, on premises at all times?

I'm half joking, of course, but it really is a viable idea. I know there are certain politics that would prevent this from ever happening, but at least the graves would be out of public, more like, uncontrolled public access. It's worth considering.


bigann - 3/24/2007 at 07:52 PM

Alasl, for many reasons, some of which are well known, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that the graves would ever be relocated to either the big house or the hall of fame. That would seem to me like rewarding some of the people who are partly responsible for the problem. And by that I mean the ones who are turing the graves into a tourist stop in Macon....nothing personal intended.

I believe the fence as proposed will be the answer and will allow the guys to remain quietly and peacefully where they are now.


curry - 3/24/2007 at 07:59 PM

Do you think the fence will be over the top of the graves as well, because folk will still try and climb it? The bars will also have to be narrow enough to stop hands getting through and leaving 'stuff' or dropping garbage through.

Is some sort of glass/plexiglass encasement any good? probably not because then people would probably crayon that or lie on it. I was thinking about that because it would seem to be more 'viewable'...

I like this thread for brainstorming possible alternatives.


IAmReallyElvis - 3/24/2007 at 07:59 PM

It's a nice thought Big Dave.
The fence is the only vialble solution. It wouldn't be fair to disturb the souls
The ironic part of this is, we as fan, are trying to protect the graves from fans.


reneed - 3/24/2007 at 08:35 PM

quote:
It's a nice thought Big Dave.
The fence is the only vialble solution. It wouldn't be fair to disturb the souls
The ironic part of this is, we as fan, are trying to protect the graves from fans.


i can agree with part of that last sentence. we as fans is tryin to protect the graves, but not from other fans. we tryin to protect the graves from people that come to mess em up, mark em up, do they dope & leave the bags, butts & ashes on the marble, make money off'n em. they call theyselfs fans, i call em somethin else


IAmReallyElvis - 3/24/2007 at 08:52 PM

quote:
quote:
It's a nice thought Big Dave.
The fence is the only vialble solution. It wouldn't be fair to disturb the souls
The ironic part of this is, we as fan, are trying to protect the graves from fans.


i can agree with part of that last sentence. we as fans is tryin to protect the graves, but not from other fans. we tryin to protect the graves from people that come to mess em up, mark em up, do they dope & leave the bags, butts & ashes on the marble, make money off'n em. they call theyselfs fans, i call em somethin else
It's hard to face, but true, who else would come visit the graves, if not fans. They are **** s, I'll grant you, but they are fans. Like the fans at a sporting event who throw things at players, or spill beer on them. They are fans, but jerks, and don't speak but for a very small percentage.


bob1954 - 3/24/2007 at 08:55 PM

quote:
quote:
It's a nice thought Big Dave.
The fence is the only vialble solution. It wouldn't be fair to disturb the souls
The ironic part of this is, we as fan, are trying to protect the graves from fans.


i can agree with part of that last sentence. we as fans is tryin to protect the graves, but not from other fans. we tryin to protect the graves from people that come to mess em up, mark em up, do they dope & leave the bags, butts & ashes on the marble, make money off'n em. they call theyselfs fans, i call em somethin else

You are absolutely right again Renee.


Jerry - 3/24/2007 at 09:11 PM


It's hard to face, but true, who else would come visit the graves, if not fans. They are **** s, I'll grant you, but they are fans. Like the fans at a sporting event who throw things at players, or spill beer on them. They are fans, but jerks, and don't speak but for a very small percentage.


Actually, if you spend any time in Rose Hill you can figure out who are actual fans, who are there to see a grave of someone famous, and who the jerks are.

I was trying yesterday to not clog the server (we all know what happened the other day)
and just posted the headstone Martha Elizabeth Molton, tonight I'll stick with the one photo and post the marker with her inscription.


reneed - 3/24/2007 at 09:23 PM

that is just beautiful Jerry, thank you


SquatchTexas - 3/25/2007 at 01:47 PM

quote:
Perhaps this may be some help.

Many houses up for sale have a small envelope box wiht a description of the house for sale.

My thought is to have one of these envelope boxes at the gravesight with some info sheets about Duane, Berry and some information about some of the past problems with vandalism at Rose Hill and the costs that have occured do to muddy feet, theft, chipping away at the marble, tombstone rubbings , burns and even stains left by flowers which were innocently thrown onto the marble and that the colors had blead out and migrated into the stone.
A note from family respectfully asking that visitors to not cross the baracade, that we understand the appreciation for Berry and Duane but please do not cross. Thousands of admireres of Duane and Berry have been here and gave showed their honor and respect without crossing the barricade, but it only took a few to create this situation and cause the damage.

The words written on Duane's grave would be a nice addition to the fact sheet.

Unfortunatley at the bottom of the page, the Macon law which prohibits tresspassing on these and other siights and the fines which will occur if you are caught tresspassing, and that chances are pretty darn good, you will be caught and turned in and that the city of Macon will accept your credit card payment and cash.



If this materializes, I'm sure it will be no problem for several of the local fans to crusie by every so often and refill the envelope box.




Best Idea Right Here


SquatchTexas - 3/25/2007 at 01:57 PM

Jerry, Ann and everyone else, thanks for what you are doing. Im sure this means a lot to the families and others concerned. I wish I could do more than give the odd piece of legal warning, but its the best I can do right now.


Jerry - 3/25/2007 at 02:49 PM

quote:
Jerry, Ann and everyone else, thanks for what you are doing. Im sure this means a lot to the families and others concerned. I wish I could do more than give the odd piece of legal warning, but its the best I can do right now.


The thing is ST, is that you are DOING something. Every suggestion, hint, advice, anything helpful is gratefully accepted from all those who have posted them.


bigann - 3/25/2007 at 03:51 PM

Jerry's right....just participating in this thread and offering moral support means more than you could know. Thank you ST.


Jerry - 3/25/2007 at 05:31 PM

ST, you asked about police reports on the activities at the gravesite.
Here's a copy of one done a few years ago.





What the report doesn't say is that the guy was seen doing this by some City jail trustees cutting grass on the hill above. He used a tire iron to scratch in his statement and then used a red felt tip pen to highlite his handicraft.

Here's a photo of what it looked like.


dimplesjbc - 3/25/2007 at 05:34 PM

Bad Karma


reneed - 3/25/2007 at 07:21 PM

quote:
I wish I could do more than give the odd piece of legal warning, but its the best I can do right now.

you can move to georgia


Jerry - 3/25/2007 at 10:19 PM

This thread is starting to bear some results. A guy that has been seen riding his motorcycle around Rose Hill for several weekends, stopped and told Candace that he had come by earlier in the week and had seen several guys on the lot, and posing "Napoleon style" on the graves.
He said he had asked them to get off the graves and they refused, with some pointed remarks.

I would like to say thanks. While they might not have left, they at least now know that more people are keeping an eye on the gravesite, and that some people will not just ride by and keep going.


bigann - 3/25/2007 at 11:59 PM


Good for that man! It's definitely a wonderful start.....and if someone doesn't leave... a cell phone call to the cops, a photo and a tag number might get them moving along! Thanks for that feel good story, Jerry.


reneed - 3/26/2007 at 12:00 AM

it made me feel better too! thank you to whoever it was that stopped


BigDaveOnBass - 3/26/2007 at 02:48 AM

Yay for bikers!!


SquatchTexas - 3/26/2007 at 01:34 PM

Thanks for taking the time to post that report, Jerry. Sounds like they get the whole lot of folks out there from curious fans to people that want to desecrate the markers. My wife and I are huge history buffs and have a strong interest in necrogeography with regards to Texas, so I certainly understand your desire to put all this right. I honestly think that if folks contributed (maybe set up a Pay Pal account??) to hiring a security guard, even part time, you will see the incidents decline. Maybe someone with contacts inside the ABB can approach the members?? Not to sound shiatty, but it seems they have money for nice cars (and Harleys!), houses and everything else that they could kick in enough to fund a security guard for 6 months. Its probably less than the bar tabs they used to pay.


bluedad - 3/26/2007 at 02:01 PM

Deputize the biker guy and about 50 other people.... and sit back a let the city collect the fines....


IAmReallyElvis - 3/26/2007 at 06:01 PM

quote:
Deputize the biker guy and about 50 other people.... and sit back a let the city collect the fines....


How soon we forget what happened the last time Bikers were hired for security?
BIG HOUSE...DO SOMETHING!! IT'S ON YOUR HEAD!!!


bigann - 3/26/2007 at 09:50 PM

Interesting proclaimation....hope it reaches the right ears.


captskipper - 3/26/2007 at 10:10 PM

has there ever been any kind of fence plan, blueprint, diagram submitted to anyone? Does anyone know if there are certain building restraints in Rose Hill? I think 4 stone pillars with 6 foot high decorative wrought iron in between would be the way to go. (possibly one more stone pillar to accomodate a dpuble locked entry gate for the true caretakers)


reneed - 3/26/2007 at 10:11 PM

i say just set up in them trees & use em for target practice be fun to watch em dance when you put them bullets at they feets


bigann - 3/26/2007 at 10:47 PM

Hey Cap. I just saw some plans today....check your PMs


Jerry - 3/27/2007 at 02:57 AM

This is what we want to prevent from happening again.



Wjhich leads to this.



Update from this weekend:
Several young adults were seen coming to the gravesite with rolls of wide paper and a couple of sacks. They looked at the rope, then looked up the hill, looked at the rope, and again looked up the hill. No one had yet said anything to them, just watched.
They then looked at the "No Trespassing" sign, rechecked the rope, and left.
When they came by Buford he asked if they had planned on doing rubbings, and one said that they were, but decided not to after seeing the sign.

GOOD MOVE!

Buford explained the rules and they pretty much understood what was going on. No harm/no fowl committed, and they got to hear some history.


Jerry - 3/27/2007 at 02:59 AM

quote:
Wjhich leads to this.


One day I'm gonna learn, finish typing, then take the drugs.


bigann - 3/27/2007 at 03:19 AM

The damage being done year in and year out is truly apalling..for heaven sake, how do you get crayon all over a stone doing a rubbing!!!???...but what a great story....people, I do believe progress is being made!!!


reneed - 3/27/2007 at 09:02 AM

i am so glad they decided to leave & not mess up nothin


PeterNelson - 3/27/2007 at 01:17 PM

quote:
The damage being done year in and year out is truly apalling..for heaven sake, how do you get crayon all over a stone doing a rubbing!!!???
Stupid people who can't color within the lines!

Seriously, I've never done rubbings, but some people probably do both sides of the paper, so some of the crayon or charcoal from the back gets back on the marker. The imaginative painter Paul Klee would sometimes make outlines by a technique involving transference of a medium from the back of an overlay:



Battle Scene from the Comic Opera "The Seafarer"
1923, watercolor over oil drawing on colored paper

Besides the main lines he wanted, Klee got smudging in the open spaces, which was fine with him. Note the vertical line of smudging between the harpooner and the creatures, suggesting he had separate transference overlays for the two halves of the composition. After getting the figure drawings transfered onto the paper (or canvas etc.) the way he wanted, he'd do the painting part, here, appropriately, watercolor.


DTfan - 3/27/2007 at 02:05 PM

I was at his grave on Sunday. The crayon is just about done. There is still a T shape mark on Duane's grave.


bigann - 3/27/2007 at 05:00 PM

It will be nice when the fence is erected and the marble can be cleaned and remain pristine for people to see when they visit.


reneed - 3/27/2007 at 11:31 PM

quote:
It will be nice when the fence is erected and the marble can be cleaned and remain pristine for people to see when they visit.

i'll be glad when it's up too. it's just a shame that one's gotta be put up people gotta a way of messin up everthang don't they


bigann - 3/27/2007 at 11:47 PM

A few people have a way of messing up things, but more people have a way to help make it right!!!


reneed - 3/28/2007 at 01:32 AM

quote:
A few people have a way of messing up things, but more people have a way to help make it right!!!

us IS good,,,,,,,ain't us


Jerry - 3/28/2007 at 01:52 AM

Well, I sais I'd try to keep them as current as possible, so here's some from the past weekend.

Does anybody know these people?



He looks straight at you:



And then does this:



If you know who they are, please contact me.


bigann - 3/28/2007 at 02:03 AM

I don't know who they might be but it's quite obvious they can't read and have no manners.


SkyPuppy - 3/28/2007 at 02:28 AM

All photos posted of family, friends, and places, including those of historic ABB value, by this poster are copywrited by the poster, or posted by permission of the copywrite holder.
None of those photos may be reproduced for commercial gain.


Can we make Wanted Dead or Alive Posters with them?

[Edited on 3/28/2007 by SkyPuppy]


greggsfan59 - 3/28/2007 at 03:54 AM

Some people are just ignorant and no matter what anyone does or says won't change it unfortunately.


Jerry - 3/28/2007 at 01:09 PM

quote:
All photos posted of family, friends, and places, including those of historic ABB value, by this poster are copywrited by the poster, or posted by permission of the copywrite holder.
None of those photos may be reproduced for commercial gain.


Can we make Wanted Dead or Alive Posters with them?

[Edited on 3/28/2007 by SkyPuppy]


Bullseye targets maybe.


RedRider - 3/28/2007 at 01:19 PM

quote:
If you know who they are, please contact me.



Screw "who" they are, just get photos of all of them, liscence plate and note which one is driving. Nail that one the other 2 will get the message....

And if the Pope is driving well it is just gonna suck to be him, isn't it?


bigann - 3/28/2007 at 07:52 PM

I like your thinking! But you knew that already didn't you!


SkyPuppy - 3/28/2007 at 10:55 PM

quote:
quote:
All photos posted of family, friends, and places, including those of historic ABB value, by this poster are copywrited by the poster, or posted by permission of the copywrite holder.
None of those photos may be reproduced for commercial gain.


Can we make Wanted Dead or Alive Posters with them?

[Edited on 3/28/2007 by SkyPuppy]

Fair enough..I haven't fired my shotgun in anger in years!!!
Bullseye targets maybe.


reneed - 3/28/2007 at 11:07 PM

quote:
quote:
If you know who they are, please contact me.



Screw "who" they are, just get photos of all of them, liscence plate and note which one is driving. Nail that one the other 2 will get the message....

And if the Pope is driving well it is just gonna suck to be him, isn't it?

can we take em hind the bushes & beat the hell out'n em first???????????????,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,please mommy can i, can i, huh


bigann - 3/28/2007 at 11:37 PM

You know talk like that upsets the natives.... (just do it quietly! )


Jerry - 3/29/2007 at 02:23 AM

Play nice kiddies.


bigann - 3/29/2007 at 03:04 AM

Hey Jerry....you have tonight's photo ready?


reneed - 3/29/2007 at 10:16 AM

quote:
You know talk like that upsets the natives.... (just do it quietly! )

picture elmer fudd's body with my head,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,damn that's scary ain't it ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,sneakin up on em


Jerry - 3/29/2007 at 11:05 PM

quote:
Hey Jerry....you have tonight's photo ready?


Well, how about two tonight.

Remember when folks asked about photos of tags:





Some of the regulars know the tricks.


reneed - 3/30/2007 at 12:51 AM

is subaru dude and the dude in the picture above the same dude?


Jerry - 3/30/2007 at 01:09 AM

quote:
is subaru dude and the dude in the picture above the same dude?


No, that one was taken a couple of months ago.


reneed - 3/30/2007 at 02:07 AM

quote:
quote:
is subaru dude and the dude in the picture above the same dude?


No, that one was taken a couple of months ago.

looks like the same dude from the back of the head.


bigann - 3/30/2007 at 02:42 AM

It does look like the same guy, but there appears to be a collar on the Suburu guy's shirt....at least it does on my screen.


RedRider - 3/30/2007 at 02:43 AM

quote:
Some of the regulars know the tricks.


Well then for those folks how about we jump right in to the ass whipping... However covering up the liscence plate....I believe the cops really love that!


bigann - 3/30/2007 at 03:37 AM

My understanding is the police department is so undermaned and underfunded they just don't have the people to police the area.....you'd think it would be cheaper for them to support the fence effort!!!

Do we have any thoughts about helping out from GABBA? The big house foundation? HTN? It's an open forum.....please feel free to jump right in!


reneed - 3/30/2007 at 08:47 AM

quote:
My understanding is the police department is so undermaned and underfunded they just don't have the people to police the area.....you'd think it would be cheaper for them to support the fence effort!!!

Do we have any thoughts about helping out from GABBA? The big house foundation? HTN? It's an open forum.....please feel free to jump right in!

you may has went to a goat house huntin wool looks like it's just us on here........


bigann - 3/30/2007 at 03:42 PM

Well, if it's just us, then I know for sure it's gonna get done and get done right....we are all one heck of a team!!!


reneed - 3/30/2007 at 09:22 PM

quote:
Well, if it's just us, then I know for sure it's gonna get done and get done right....we are all one heck of a team!!!

let's get started then!! all we gotta do is come up with a way to raise the money, get the people behind it like we did with the cookbooks, get the money to the fence peoples and let the hide go with the hair from there
NOW, how we gonna raise 25,000$??? any ideas????????? Jerry??? sharon??? miss ann???
anybody??????


bigann - 3/30/2007 at 10:45 PM

Let me run this thought by you.....I don't have a lot of details or amounts to make this work but you can let me know if you think this will fly. First, there are a few things being discussed that will constitute fundraising from more than one source. This is just one of them. In the plans for the fence, there are two stair cases at the end of the lot, one coming from each side in a half spiral that leads to a platform at the foot of the graves so fans can have a clear view of the stones and their inscriptions. In between the spirals there is a space where there a large urn will be placed for people to leave mementos they want to leave.

It's being discussed that there might be room for a plaque over the urn where names of contributors could be listed. My thinking is to have a silver, gold and platinum catagory to acknowledge the people who have either donated or raised money to meet the minimums set for each catagory. As I said, I don't know what amount each catagory would represent, however my question is, do you think people would want to donate to the fence fund in return for having their support listed on a plaque that would remain part of the site from here on out?

There, that's one idea.....next!


SkyPuppy - 3/30/2007 at 11:17 PM

In The vein of Ann's thoughts...Buy a Brick is a program that some Major League team's have used to help fund their Stadium's. There will be a stone path leading to the stairs?
"The road goes on forever". Each brick can contain a donaters name, for a certain cost.
or along any brick wall that will be added that does not get thread on.
I don't know what companies do this, but that should not be hard to get. I'll make some some call's next week to look into it...unless someone know's already....?


RedRider - 3/30/2007 at 11:39 PM

The old brains have sure been working today....


bigann - 3/31/2007 at 12:24 AM

'm not certain but I think the buy a brick thing was tossed around and discarded....I'll see what the thoughts are second time around. It has merit!


Jerry - 3/31/2007 at 12:28 AM

How about a few more from the archives?
This was during a nice weekend last spring.







Let's see what comes up this weekend.


reneed - 3/31/2007 at 01:04 AM

quote:
In The vein of Ann's thoughts...Buy a Brick is a program that some Major League team's have used to help fund their Stadium's. There will be a stone path leading to the stairs?
"The road goes on forever". Each brick can contain a donaters name, for a certain cost.
or along any brick wall that will be added that does not get thread on.
I don't know what companies do this, but that should not be hard to get. I'll make some some call's next week to look into it...unless someone know's already....?


the buy a brick thingy is kinda what the big house is doin now. for 500$ you get a 4x8 engraved brick, for 1000$ you get a 8x8 brick, 2500$ gets you a 8x8 granite brick and so on.......................hell, i'd go for a cake sale, a car wash, or sellin bbq plates to raise the money! i ain't picky long as we get the money this place has GOT to be saved for future generations of real music lovers................


bigann - 3/31/2007 at 01:16 AM

Whatever is decided for a fundraising idea or ideas, will have to be a little more reasonable than what the big house is doing....we're trying to raise about $25, 000 not a few million. I don't see bricks, if that's one of the plans, going for that much. I don't see the different levels for inclusion on a plaque should that be decided upon as being that much either.....at least not at a beginning level. I've always believed you can get a million people to part with one dollar easier than you can find one man to part with a million!


RedRider - 3/31/2007 at 03:10 AM

Are Candace, Brittney & Galadrille being too kind to the fans with a platform? Even with someplace to bring offerings, I'm still seeing idiots throw stuff on the graves....


reneed - 3/31/2007 at 03:16 AM

quote:
quote:
Whatever is decided for a fundraising idea or ideas, will have to be a little more reasonable than what the big house is doing....we're trying to raise about $25, 000 not a few million. I don't see bricks, if that's one of the plans, going for that much. I don't see the different levels for inclusion on a plaque should that be decided upon as being that much either.....at least not at a beginning level. I've always believed you can get a million people to part with one dollar easier than you can find one man to part with a million!


I agree Ann.

Personally,I don't want any recognition for anything I contribute. I just want piece of mind knowing that when I go to Rose Hill,I won't encounter any vandalism. More importantly,and I know this is a hard thing to digest,I want to make sure that this sacred site will be protected long after Candace and Buford have the strength and energy to do it.
Let's face it,we're the generation that has to keep this legacy intact.

dave

is anybody ever told you how smart you is that zactly what i was tryin to say only i ain't did it as good as you did


bigann - 3/31/2007 at 03:26 AM

For anyone who wants to make a private donation for the fence fund, you can do so now by sending your checks to the Rose Hill Foundation with the notation in the memo section : For the Allman-Oakley Fence Fund. And I'll try to get some information about the next fundraising project as soon as possible!

Have I told you all lately how wonderful this group is?!!!


SkyPuppy - 3/31/2007 at 03:44 AM

I wasn't aware the Big House was doing the brick thing...NeverMind
We'll come up with something else on our own


SkyPuppy - 3/31/2007 at 03:45 AM



[Edited on 3/31/2007 by SkyPuppy]


reneed - 3/31/2007 at 03:49 AM

quote:
I wasn't aware the Big House was doing the brick thing...NeverMind
We'll come up with something else on our own

it's usually on page 6 or so of hittin the note magazine. they's a little section that tell you what you get for your dollar amount donation.
if the bars for the fence don't cost a arm & a leg for each one, i'll be glad to buy one


bigann - 3/31/2007 at 04:27 AM

Hang on to your checkbook Darlin', we've got some ideas in mind that won't cost you that arm and a leg!


greggsfan59 - 3/31/2007 at 05:02 AM

I might could spare a little toe.


RedRider - 3/31/2007 at 05:23 AM

Screw messing with these morons. Let's really fix the problem, get the fence built! I see a greenlight and it's time to hit the gas whenever Ann, the Oakleys, & Galadrille iron out the finer points of their plan....







[Edited on 3/31/2007 by RedRider]


reneed - 3/31/2007 at 12:41 PM

quote:
Screw messing with these morons. Let's really fix the problem, get the fence built! I see a greenlight and it's time to hit the gas whenever Ann & Candace, Britt & Galadrille iron out the fine points of their plan....

i'm witchu sister girl!!! what plan???


RedRider - 3/31/2007 at 01:57 PM

This one....

quote:
In the plans for the fence, there are two stair cases at the end of the lot, one coming from each side in a half spiral that leads to a platform at the foot of the graves so fans can have a clear view of the stones and their inscriptions. In between the spirals there is a space where there a large urn will be placed for people to leave mementos they want to leave.

It's being discussed that there might be room for a plaque over the urn where names of contributors could be listed. My thinking is to have a silver, gold and platinum catagory to acknowledge the people who have either donated or raised money to meet the minimums set for each catagory. As I said, I don't know what amount each catagory would represent, however my question is, do you think people would want to donate to the fence fund in return for having their support listed on a plaque that would remain part of the site from here on out?




reneed - 3/31/2007 at 02:36 PM

quote:
This one....

quote:
In the plans for the fence, there are two stair cases at the end of the lot, one coming from each side in a half spiral that leads to a platform at the foot of the graves so fans can have a clear view of the stones and their inscriptions. In between the spirals there is a space where there a large urn will be placed for people to leave mementos they want to leave.

It's being discussed that there might be room for a plaque over the urn where names of contributors could be listed. My thinking is to have a silver, gold and platinum catagory to acknowledge the people who have either donated or raised money to meet the minimums set for each catagory. As I said, I don't know what amount each catagory would represent, however my question is, do you think people would want to donate to the fence fund in return for having their support listed on a plaque that would remain part of the site from here on out?





oh,,,,my bad..........i read that and i thought it sound good


RedRider - 4/1/2007 at 02:52 AM

quote:
do you think people would want to donate to the fence fund in return for having their support listed on a plaque that would remain part of the site from here on out?




Did I forget to say "Hell Yeah"? I believe it would motivate folks much more than to just start a $ for a fence campaign and get it more attention as well which is what we will need....


reneed - 4/1/2007 at 03:09 AM

i'll put some money in and say to hell with puttin my name on anythang. i just want it built so them idiots can't mess nothin else up............


RedRider - 4/1/2007 at 03:43 PM

That's the spirit Renee. Cause it's just the right thing to do damn it!


reneed - 4/1/2007 at 05:11 PM

quote:
That's the spirit Renee. Cause it's just the right thing to do damn it!

i are good ever once in a while ain't i


bigann - 4/1/2007 at 06:20 PM

I just talked with Candace and the plans are being put into motion to get this project underway. As soon as there is something concrete to tell everyone, I'll post it right away. I have a drawing of the proposed fence that I will also send to someone to post for me (because I don't know how to do it myself) as soon as I get the okay from Candace.

There are several exciting things being set into motion to make this happen and it will give people a chance to participate at all levels. I have no doubt we can make this happen....and as Renee has said, if some of the ones who are profiting from these graves aren't going to step up and help out, then it's up to the rest of us to see they're preserved for future generations.

And as I said before....anyone who might have an idea to contribute....please feel free to jump in....even if it isnt' something that might be workable, often others can find a grain of inspiration that will lead us in the right direction!!


SkyPuppy - 4/1/2007 at 08:03 PM

That's great new's Ann!
This is really starting to soar, and I can sense the Inspriation. I too have no doubt this is going to get done. Things at this end are almost ready to go
At this point I could care less If "they" kick in anything. All they would be doing is trying to take the ball we are carrying, and finnish a game we started. They had a chance to do something that means the world to us, their subcriber's, and buyer's of merchandise..basically their "Buying Public". If they truly cared about US, the fan's..they would have done it already.
As far as I'm concerned, they blew their chance to do the right thing.
I don't know these people at all, never met a one, and really have nothing against them personally. My statement's are based solely on this situation.


Jerry - 4/1/2007 at 11:10 PM

To "semi" quote on of Arethra Franklin's songs:

Shame, Shane, Shame, owowowOWOWowow SHAME ON YOU!!!

From Saturday 3-31-07:











OK, so it's a little hard to transcribe the background singers.


SkyPuppy - 4/1/2007 at 11:43 PM

I haven't been down to Rose Hill in over 25 years, and I have spent the last weeks focusing on the faces of the tresspassing with discust.

One thing I don't want to get lost in all of this is the beautiful landscaping that was done around Duane and Berrys' resting place.
So serene,.. and you can tell each planting was done with the utmost care in placement.
Nice work to you all involved. I just wanted you to know that it hasn't gone unnoticed.
Thank You.


SquatchTexas - 4/2/2007 at 12:15 AM

quote:
quote:
Hey Jerry....you have tonight's photo ready?


Well, how about two tonight.

Remember when folks asked about photos of tags:





Some of the regulars know the tricks.


Im a bit late to all this, but even not knowing Georgia law, I can promise you that obstructing or covering the license plate is a pretty good fine. I would take copies of these photos and contact Macon PD (or Sheriff's Office..whoever has jurisdiction) and generate a report to include the photos. Document, document, document. This creates a massive paper trail and you *will* see results eventually. If they start writing tickets for these yayhoos covering their plates, the BS will stop.


bigann - 4/2/2007 at 03:58 AM

quote:
I haven't been down to Rose Hill in over 25 years, and I have spent the last weeks focusing on the faces of the tresspassing with discust.

One thing I don't want to get lost in all of this is the beautiful landscaping that was done around Duane and Berrys' resting place.
So serene,.. and you can tell each planting was done with the utmost care in placement.
Nice work to you all involved. I just wanted you to know that it hasn't gone unnoticed.
Thank You.


'All involved' would be Candace and Buford.....they paid for it, they planted it and they keep it up. No wonder they don't want people trashing the place even if it wasn't Candace's brother and dear friend buried there!!!


bigann - 4/2/2007 at 04:03 AM

By my count, there are 7 different people in the pictures....and I know those aren't the only ones who went over the fence in the one day. Doing the math that we did earlier....picture proof of the yearly total (say 7 over the fence a day) of 2,555! Still a staggering figure!


SkyPuppy - 4/2/2007 at 04:19 AM

quote:
quote:
I haven't been down to Rose Hill in over 25 years, and I have spent the last weeks focusing on the faces of the tresspassing with discust.

One thing I don't want to get lost in all of this is the beautiful landscaping that was done around Duane and Berrys' resting place.
So serene,.. and you can tell each planting was done with the utmost care in placement.
Nice work to you all involved. I just wanted you to know that it hasn't gone unnoticed.
Thank You.


'All involved' would be Candace and Buford.....they paid for it, they planted it and they keep it up. No wonder they don't want people trashing the place even if it wasn't Candace's brother and dear friend buried there!!!

Candace, and Buford, It looks Beautiful. The love that went into it is evident.
Thanks Ann, I Didn't realize it was just the two of them. My respect, and resolve just grew a little stronger.


By my count, there are 7 different people in the pictures....and I know those aren't the only ones who went over the fence in the one day. Doing the math that we did earlier....picture proof of the yearly total (say 7 over the fence a day) of 2,555! Still a staggering figure!
Ann, what Percentage of that number would you say is a direct correlation to The Big House Visits. Meaning, if it wasn't for the draw of the Big House Museum, how many people less would be visiting Macon, and Rose Hill solely to pay respects to Duane and Berry if they didn't have the BH to visit which draws many fans? You know where I'm going with this


bigann - 4/2/2007 at 05:01 AM

I'd like to give an intelligent response to your question, but I don't have figures available to me. You can get an idea though, if you follow me here. First, the city of Macon, New Town Macon and the Georgia Music Hall of Fame are marketing Rose Hill as a tourist stop....with the graves featured. Even the H&H website lists them as Macon Attractions and has a photo of the graves on the site. That aside, factor in GABBA who draws crowds to their events and the big house that has championed a visit to the cemetery as a highlight of one's visit to Macon. Every time the big house has an event or fundraiser, the traffic increases dramatically. There are also clubs in town that draw fans who stop by the cemetery on their way either in or out of town. And you've got the Cherry Blossom Festival. At every function a stop at the gravesite is encouraged in some manner.

So what part does the big house play in creating traffic to the gravesites? Enough that they, GABBA and the rest of the entities mentioned should contribute substantially to the fence fund. Before GABBA the visitors were far fewer than after it began. When the big house became popular, the number of visitors grew rapidly. I'll also go so far as to attribute much of the disrepect accorded to Candace and Buford to a number of people in both organizations believing they had rights to the graves that surpassed those of the family.

And for those who might have missed it the first go round....yes, Candace had to take the hall of fame to court to prove the graves were private property and prevent the hall of fame from doing anything more than just talking about moving Duane and Berry onto museum property!!!!

I hope that kind of answers the question.


RedRider - 4/2/2007 at 05:16 AM

quote:
Candace had to take the hall of fame to court to prove the graves were private property and prevent the hall of fame from doing anything more than just talking about moving Duane and Berry onto museum property!!!!



Holy crap......


SkyPuppy - 4/2/2007 at 01:12 PM

quote:
quote:
I'd like to give an intelligent response to your question, but I don't have figures available to me. You can get an idea though, if you follow me here. First, the city of Macon, New Town Macon and the Georgia Music Hall of Fame are marketing Rose Hill as a tourist stop....with the graves featured. Even the H&H website lists them as Macon Attractions and has a photo of the graves on the site. That aside, factor in GABBA who draws crowds to their events and the big house that has championed a visit to the cemetery as a highlight of one's visit to Macon. Every time the big house has an event or fundraiser, the traffic increases dramatically. There are also clubs in town that draw fans who stop by the cemetery on their way either in or out of town. And you've got the Cherry Blossom Festival. At every function a stop at the gravesite is encouraged in some manner.

So what part does the big house play in creating traffic to the gravesites? Enough that they, GABBA and the rest of the entities mentioned should contribute substantially to the fence fund. Before GABBA the visitors were far fewer than after it began. When the big house became popular, the number of visitors grew rapidly. I'll also go so far as to attribute much of the disrepect accorded to Candace and Buford to a number of people in both organizations believing they had rights to the graves that surpassed those of the family.

And for those who might have missed it the first go round....yes, Candace had to take the hall of fame to court to prove the graves were private property and prevent the hall of fame from doing anything more than just talking about moving Duane and Berry onto museum property!!!!

I hope that kind of answers the question.


Speaking of people and events that draw people to Macon,in Sept. there will be two big motorcycle rallies in Macon.

The H.O.G. rally,Sept 6-8 and DixieBikefest,Sept 22-24.

Bikers are a kind,friendly,respectful bunch of folks who do a lot of great work for charity.

Most of us love the ABB too. Just ask BigDaveonBass.

Maybe we could set up a table outside the gate of Rose Hill and hand out some info asking for support.

I'd be willing to donate my time and services for either or both weekends.

I don't have any real skills at organizing something like this,but I'll show up and flag people down if I have to.

I just think it's a HUGE opportunity to reach out to a whole bunch of cool folks.

dave

Ann, you answered my question and then some. Man!, I forgot about GABBA.
The fact that these entities list the gravesites as as a highlight to visit, and then turn their backs on the situation they helped create is appalling.

Candace had to take the hall of fame to court to prove the graves were private property and prevent the hall of fame from doing anything more than just talking about moving Duane and Berry onto museum property!!!!

--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -----


Holy crap......

Holy crap is right!


Speaking of people and events that draw people to Macon,in Sept. there will be two big motorcycle rallies in Macon.

The H.O.G. rally,Sept 6-8 and DixieBikefest,Sept 22-24.

Bikers are a kind,friendly,respectful bunch of folks who do a lot of great work for charity.

Most of us love the ABB too. Just ask BigDaveonBass.

Maybe we could set up a table outside the gate of Rose Hill and hand out some info asking for support.

I'd be willing to donate my time and services for either or both weekends.

I don't have any real skills at organizing something like this,but I'll show up and flag people down if I have to.

I just think it's a HUGE opportunity to reach out to a whole bunch of cool folks.

dave


Another great thought. It would also enlighten some folks to the situation who are going in to visit the site who might then help prevent some from tresspassing if they see it happening.
"iN UNITY THERE IS STRENGTH".
This is our mission. We have been thrown together for a reason folks.
Let's Do It!
Ok..that was my Knute Rockne moment, I'm done.


reneed - 4/2/2007 at 01:18 PM

i think i's in luuuuuuuuuuvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv


RedRider - 4/2/2007 at 01:31 PM

quote:
i think i's in luuuuuuuuuuvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv


Oh girl, we got to get you a pair of chaps to wear before then....


bigann - 4/2/2007 at 03:34 PM

I read the posts here and I see there are truly some kind, thoughtful people who not only want to help, but are willing to roll up their sleeves and get something done. I like what Springer said about reaching out to the people who will be attending these two events.....as a start.....think they'd all like to buy a cookbook? And Springer, as for the rest....you just know this group can come up with a plan for you by September!!


reneed - 4/2/2007 at 03:46 PM

quote:
quote:
i think i's in luuuuuuuuuuvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv


Oh girl, we got to get you a pair of chaps to wear before then....

why i need to put somethin on & then turn round & take it off for????? that be's time i could use doin other stuffs


Jerry - 4/2/2007 at 08:48 PM

quote:
i think i's in luuuuuuuuuuvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv


Oh girl, we got to get you a pair of chaps to wear before then....

why i need to put somethin on & then turn round & take it off for????? that be's time i could use doin other stuffs


Am I gonna have to throw a bucket of cold water on you?


reneed - 4/2/2007 at 08:49 PM

quote:
quote:
i think i's in luuuuuuuuuuvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv


Oh girl, we got to get you a pair of chaps to wear before then....

why i need to put somethin on & then turn round & take it off for????? that be's time i could use doin other stuffs


Am I gonna have to throw a bucket of cold water on you?

only if it's gonna add to the fun


Jerry - 4/2/2007 at 08:59 PM


Am I gonna have to throw a bucket of cold water on you?

only if it's gonna add to the fun


I know I'm gonna get in trouble for this, but: Depends on what you are/are not wearing at the time.


reneed - 4/2/2007 at 09:29 PM

quote:

Am I gonna have to throw a bucket of cold water on you?

only if it's gonna add to the fun


I know I'm gonna get in trouble for this, but: Depends on what you are/are not wearing at the time.

well baby doll, that all depends on what you wanna see


bigann - 4/2/2007 at 09:30 PM

Oh my gosh....the Vaylorettes are everywhere! Who left the bus door unlocked this time?


reneed - 4/2/2007 at 09:32 PM

quote:
Oh my gosh....the Vaylorettes are everywhere! Who left the bus door unlocked this time?

MITZI DID IT again


SkyPuppy - 4/2/2007 at 10:07 PM

quote:
quote:
Oh my gosh....the Vaylorettes are everywhere! Who left the bus door unlocked this time?

MITZI DID IT again

Hey..maybe the Vaylorettes can sell "Bus Rides" to raise some money!!
I'm in for a couple round trip tickets!!
Sort of like buying a Kiss at A booth at a old time country fair


reneed - 4/2/2007 at 10:41 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Oh my gosh....the Vaylorettes are everywhere! Who left the bus door unlocked this time?

MITZI DID IT again

Hey..maybe the Vaylorettes can sell "Bus Rides" to raise some money!!
I'm in for a couple round trip tickets!!
Sort of like buying a Kiss at A booth at a old time country fair

we don't do 'round trip' baby doll, once you get on that bus, you don't ever wanna get off


bigann - 4/2/2007 at 10:41 PM

We had to promise we wouldn't do that any more......at least not as a fundraiser....and that order comes all the way down from the supreme court!! (good things those men are appointed for life or they'd never have survived the scandal!)

Let's just stick to what we know is legal! :-)


reneed - 4/2/2007 at 10:43 PM

quote:
We had to promise we wouldn't do that any more......at least not as a fundraiser....and that order comes all the way down from the supreme court!! (good things those men are appointed for life or they'd never have survived the scandal!)

Let's just stick to what we know is legal! :-)

i don't know how to do nothin legal


Jerry - 4/3/2007 at 12:43 AM

quote:
I haven't been down to Rose Hill in over 25 years, and I have spent the last weeks focusing on the faces of the tresspassing with discust.

One thing I don't want to get lost in all of this is the beautiful landscaping that was done around Duane and Berrys' resting place.
So serene,.. and you can tell each planting was done with the utmost care in placement.
Nice work to you all involved. I just wanted you to know that it hasn't gone unnoticed.
Thank You.


I thought I'd give a perspective over the past few years on how the site has changed, and the progress of the plantings.


First, I'm waiting on an OK from dublindave to use a photo he took in 1973 of the gravesite (it's in the Places Gallery). In that photo there's nothing but bare ground around the graves.

Second, from about five years ago:



Third, from about three years ago:



Fourth, two years ago:



Now, from last summer:



I think it looks a lot better now.


BigDaveOnBass - 4/3/2007 at 01:09 AM

Jerry, here are some pics from my first trip to Rose Hill in '97. Feel free to use as you wish.





[Edited on 4/3/2007 by BigDaveOnBass]


Jerry - 4/3/2007 at 02:27 AM

Thanks Dave. Anybody want it to go back to that condition?


BigDaveOnBass - 4/3/2007 at 02:28 AM

HAYELL NAW!!!


RedRider - 4/3/2007 at 02:50 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
i think i's in luuuuuuuuuuvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvv


Oh girl, we got to get you a pair of chaps to wear before then....

why i need to put somethin on & then turn round & take it off for????? that be's time i could use doin other stuffs


Because they have a way of showcasing your favorite thong like you wouldn't believe....


bigann - 4/3/2007 at 04:54 AM

Oh my....now there's a real image to end the night with!!!!


reneed - 4/3/2007 at 10:33 AM

quote:
Oh my....now there's a real image to end the night with!!!!

it could be good dependin on who's wearin the thong try one on your guitar, drummer, bass player dude & see whatchu thank bout it

[Edited on 4/3/2007 by reneed]


RedRider - 4/3/2007 at 12:24 PM

No darling YOU wear the thong & chaps.... on the Harley with little pasties up top!


reneed - 4/3/2007 at 02:28 PM

quote:
No darling YOU wear the thong & chaps.... on the Harley with little pasties up top!

if you ever seen me you'd take that statement & put it back where you got it from


nlitndrog - 4/3/2007 at 07:43 PM

I received a PM with a request for me to chime in here. I apologize for being late in doing so; I don't come to the Whipping Post often, and I hadn't checked my PMs in a while.

In light of some of the points that have been raised, I'll offer the following information for whatever it's worth. From the Official Code of Georgia Annotated:

16-7-23. Criminal damage to property in the second degree.
(a) A person commits the offense of criminal damage to property in the second degree when he:
(1) Intentionally damages any property of another person without his consent and the damage thereto exceeds $500.00;
(2) Recklessly or intentionally, by means of fire or explosive, damages property of another person; or
(3) With intent to damage, starts a fire on the land of another without his consent.
(b) A person convicted of the offense of criminal damage to property in the second degree shall be punished by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than five years.


16-8-12. Penalties for certain theft offenses.
(Excerpt)
(4) If the crime committed was a violation of Code Section 16-8-2 (i.e., theft by taking) and if the property which was the subject of the theft was a memorial to the dead or any ornamentation, flower, tree, or shrub placed on, adjacent to, or within any enclosure of a memorial to the dead, by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than three years. Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed as to cause action taken by a cemetery, cemetery owner, lessee, trustee, church, religious or fraternal organization, corporation, civic organization, or club legitimately attempting to clean, maintain, care for, upgrade, or beautify a grave, gravesite, tomb, monument, gravestone, or other structure or thing placed or designed for a memorial of the dead to be a criminal act;


17-4-60. Grounds for arrest by private person.
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.

17-4-61. Taking of persons arrested before judicial officer or to peace officer.
(a) A private person who makes an arrest pursuant to Code Section 17-4-60 shall, without any unnecessary delay, take the person arrested before a judicial officer, as provided in Code Section 17-4-62, or deliver the person and all effects removed from him to a peace officer of this state.
(b) A peace officer who takes custody of a person arrested by a private person shall immediately proceed in accordance with Code Section 17-4-62.
(c) A peace officer who in good faith and within the scope of his authority takes custody of a person arrested by a private person pursuant to this Code section shall not be liable at law for false arrest or false imprisonment arising out of the arrest.

17-4-62. Taking of persons arrested before judicial officer within 48 hours.
In every case of an arrest without a warrant, the person arresting shall, without delay, convey the offender before the most convenient judicial officer authorized to receive an affidavit and issue a warrant as provided for in Code Section 17-4-40. No such imprisonment shall be legal beyond a reasonable time allowed for this purpose; and any person who is not brought before such judicial officer within 48 hours of arrest shall be released.

**************
By no means am I advocating or counseling that anyone take any particular course of action with regard to any of the above. The usual disclaimer applies: "The above is for informational purposes only and does not constitute legal advice."







[Edited on 4/3/2007 by nlitndrog]


bigann - 4/3/2007 at 10:10 PM

16-7-23. Criminal damage to property in the second degree.
(a) A person commits the offense of criminal damage to property in the second degree when he:
(1) Intentionally damages any property of another person without his consent and the damage thereto exceeds $500.00;


16-8-12. Penalties for certain theft offenses.
(Excerpt)
(4) If the crime committed was a violation of Code Section 16-8-2 (theft by taking) and if the property which was the subject of the theft was a memorial to the dead or any ornamentation, flower, tree, or shrub placed on, adjacent to, or within any enclosure of a memorial to the dead, by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than three years (that's a felony). Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed as to cause action taken by a cemetery, cemetery owner, lessee, trustee, church, religious or fraternal organization, corporation, civic organization, or club legitimately attempting to clean, maintain, care for, upgrade, or beautify a grave, gravesite, tomb, monument, gravestone, or other structure or thing placed or designed for a memorial of the dead to be a criminal act;


17-4-60. Grounds for arrest by private person.
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.


Thank you for the information. The first section seems applicable.....it costs about $500 to clean the marble on the gravesites.....that would make it a criminal charge to do rubbings, scratch your name into or leave things on the marble that cause discoloration. A question that pertains to the private person arrest....does that section constitute a felony?

The second section is also valuable as Candace and Buford can't even keep pebbles in the urns...people take the pebbles and anything else they can stick in their pocket. It would be a shame to be arrested for a pebble, but nice to know there are options. Back to the private person arrests....does that section constitute felony charges?

There appears to be substantial law that would make what's going on a criminal charge....I am wondering though, if a citizen's arrest would be doable.

And if you don't mind....what constitutes 'tresspass' and what are the penalties....and would this be subject for citizen's arrest?

Thank you again for the valuable information!


bigann - 4/3/2007 at 10:10 PM

16-7-23. Criminal damage to property in the second degree.
(a) A person commits the offense of criminal damage to property in the second degree when he:
(1) Intentionally damages any property of another person without his consent and the damage thereto exceeds $500.00;


16-8-12. Penalties for certain theft offenses.
(Excerpt)
(4) If the crime committed was a violation of Code Section 16-8-2 (theft by taking) and if the property which was the subject of the theft was a memorial to the dead or any ornamentation, flower, tree, or shrub placed on, adjacent to, or within any enclosure of a memorial to the dead, by imprisonment for not less than one nor more than three years (that's a felony). Nothing in this paragraph shall be construed as to cause action taken by a cemetery, cemetery owner, lessee, trustee, church, religious or fraternal organization, corporation, civic organization, or club legitimately attempting to clean, maintain, care for, upgrade, or beautify a grave, gravesite, tomb, monument, gravestone, or other structure or thing placed or designed for a memorial of the dead to be a criminal act;


17-4-60. Grounds for arrest by private person.
A private person may arrest an offender if the offense is committed in his presence or within his immediate knowledge. If the offense is a felony and the offender is escaping or attempting to escape, a private person may arrest him upon reasonable and probable grounds of suspicion.


Thank you for the information. The first section seems applicable.....it costs about $500 to clean the marble on the gravesites.....that would make it a criminal charge to do rubbings, scratch your name into or leave things on the marble that cause discoloration. A question that pertains to the private person arrest....does that section constitute a felony?

The second section is also valuable as Candace and Buford can't even keep pebbles in the urns...people take the pebbles and anything else they can stick in their pocket. It would be a shame to be arrested for a pebble, but nice to know there are options. Back to the private person arrests....does that section constitute felony charges?

There appears to be substantial law that would make what's going on a criminal charge....I am wondering though, if a citizen's arrest would be doable.

And if you don't mind....what constitutes 'tresspass' and what are the penalties....and would this be subject for citizen's arrest?

Thank you again for the valuable information!


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