Thread: This Day in Baseball Part 2

RobFilmMusic - 12/6/2006 at 06:07 PM

So I'll guess i'll start the new thread for us baseball heads....... got to keep this running

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Does this mean Manny is on his way out? Lugo is agreat pick up. Drew if he stays healthy will be ok too.



According to reports, it is looking less and less likely that Manny will be traded. Francona has been quoted as saying that he thinks Manny will be back, and other GMs have said that Boston is asking too much and suggested that perhaps they are asking too much on purpose because they really don't want to trade him. It is more likely that Wily Mo Pena is the odd man out, which I really don't get why they would give up on him so soon. All that said, anything can happen so I wouldn't be shocked if Manny does get moved.

[Edited on 12/6/2006 by gondicar]



I think really the best option for the sox is to keep Manny....... they probably would never get in return what he puts up ON THE FIELD..... i'll admit he's a complete pain off the field but it's almost a sure bet we know what he's going to do next season and the season afterwards.

As far as Wily Mo........ that whole thing confuses the crap out of me..... i wish Theo would make up his mind about the organization's direction.


[Edited on 12/6/2006 by RobFilmMusic]


ozzypie - 12/6/2006 at 06:30 PM

Coming soon....





...to rule a world near you!









Sang - 12/6/2006 at 06:34 PM

My guess is they won't even rule New York.......


ozzypie - 12/6/2006 at 06:42 PM

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My guess is they won't even rule New York.......



Guess again.

The Yankees last gasp was this year when they lost to Detroit.

Next year they'll be lucky to make the playoffs.

You heard it here first.

You can thank me next year.


Sang - 12/6/2006 at 06:46 PM

I'll thank you this year for losing to the Cardinals.......


ozzypie - 12/6/2006 at 06:55 PM

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I'll thank you this year for losing to the Cardinals.......


You should thank alot of teams...


Sang - 12/6/2006 at 07:08 PM


crossroad_blues - 12/7/2006 at 12:56 AM

Julio Lugo has agreed to terms on a contract with the Red Sox that will pay him $36 million over four years, the Red Sox' official site reports.

Drew for $70 mill, $51 mill just to talk to Matsuzaka? That's $157 million for two journeymen & a prospect. And they haven't even signed a contract with the prospect!

What are the BoSox thinking? That they can outspend the Yankees?


crossroad_blues - 12/7/2006 at 02:21 AM

Anybody catch Barry Bonds* shopping his sorry a$$ around the Winter Meetings.

"Anybody want a tainted former Super Star? Just call my trainer....collect....1-800-San Quentin.......Anyone.....anyone?"


cupofjo - 12/7/2006 at 02:34 AM

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Julio Lugo has agreed to terms on a contract with the Red Sox that will pay him $36 million over four years, the Red Sox' official site reports.

Drew for $70 mill, $51 mill just to talk to Matsuzaka? That's $157 million for two journeymen & a prospect. And they haven't even signed a contract with the prospect!

What are the BoSox thinking? That they can outspend the Yankees?




I am not going to say a word


cupofjo - 12/7/2006 at 02:36 AM

So Rob are you originally from the east? How did you become a Red Sox fan bieng in CA.


cupofjo - 12/7/2006 at 02:38 AM

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Anybody catch Barry Bonds* shopping his sorry a$$ around the Winter Meetings.

"Anybody want a tainted former Super Star? Just call my trainer....collect....1-800-San Quentin.......Anyone.....anyone?"


I think it would be sweet if nobody picks him up. Leave his sorry a$$ at home!


WharfRat - 12/7/2006 at 04:15 AM

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ESPN is reporting that Andy pettite wants to play another year and he will only negiotiate with Houston and the Yankees.

Wharfy, how do you feel about that?


I know I was pissed when he left, but I will ESTATIC if Andy comes back.
I just hope he is healthy.

With the exception of Wang, there is noone I trust in at big spot on the rotation right now.


RobFilmMusic - 12/7/2006 at 07:01 AM

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So Rob are you originally from the east? How did you become a Red Sox fan bieng in CA.


yeah i'm from NC.... i went to college in Boston..... my school had no college sports, i could see the lights of fenway from my apartment and all my buds were sox fans so it seemed logical to start following the sox. Fell in love with Fenway and the team..... Had a lot of good times at Fenway with my friends, unfortunately it's just too expensive now. I'm out in LA now for my career. Luckily Chanez Ravine is a good surrogate for fenway


WharfRat - 12/7/2006 at 10:50 AM





I dont see the Yanks getting Zito.. but that other guy sorta looks familiar

Could be time to dust off my #46 t-shirt

Glad I didnt burn it in effigy when he left


cupofjo - 12/7/2006 at 12:03 PM

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I dont see the Yanks getting Zito.. but that other guy sorta looks familiar

Could be time to dust off my #46 t-shirt

Glad I didnt burn it in effigy when he left



Good thing you didn't burn it in effigy while you were wearing it.




LMAO


cupofjo - 12/7/2006 at 12:11 PM

Ted Lilly 40 million for 4 years from the Cubs! This just pushes Zito value up and up.

ESPN qoute:
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But the Yankees informed the 30-year-old Lilly on Wednesday night they would not bid for him, choosing to concentrate their efforts on Andy Pettitte, who said earlier in the day that he plans to pitch next season.[/qoute]

How about Piazza getting 8.5 million from the As

Why are they all spending stupid! I am glad the Yankees are not doing this. I hope they learned from the past. We still have a couple of those on hand right now.


ThePeteMan - 12/7/2006 at 05:08 PM

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Hello MundeleinSang!!!


OTF nails it!!! LOL


RobFilmMusic - 12/7/2006 at 05:12 PM

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Ted Lilly 40 million for 4 years from the Cubs! This just pushes Zito value up and up.

ESPN qoute:
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But the Yankees informed the 30-year-old Lilly on Wednesday night they would not bid for him, choosing to concentrate their efforts on Andy Pettitte, who said earlier in the day that he plans to pitch next season.[/qoute]

How about Piazza getting 8.5 million from the As

Why are they all spending stupid! I am glad the Yankees are not doing this. I hope they learned from the past. We still have a couple of those on hand right now.


Overspending is kind of the theme this offseason............ I'm curious to see what a team will give Gil Meche.


ThePeteMan - 12/7/2006 at 06:14 PM

But where will GILGAMESH sign?


cupofjo - 12/8/2006 at 01:41 AM

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But where will GILGAMESH sign?


KC landed him 5 years 55 million!


crossroad_blues - 12/8/2006 at 01:54 AM

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But where will GILGAMESH sign?


Where else would he sign but with the ROYALS. After all he was a king.


WharfRat - 12/8/2006 at 04:14 AM

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But where will GILGAMESH sign?


KC landed him 5 years 55 million!



That's a lot of money for a guy who in 6 seasons has only started more than thirty games twice. His w-l record isn't bad, 55-44, but his lifetime ERA is 4.65. Keep in mind that he pitched in a pitchers park the last few years.


The bigger question is..

Why would ANYONE want to pitch in KC


crossroad_blues - 12/8/2006 at 04:58 AM

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But where will GILGAMESH sign?


KC landed him 5 years 55 million!



That's a lot of money for a guy who in 6 seasons has only started more than thirty games twice. His w-l record isn't bad, 55-44, but his lifetime ERA is 4.65. Keep in mind that he pitched in a pitchers park the last few years.


The bigger question is..

Why would ANYONE want to pitch in KC


Looks like the players are going for the money. Whomever gives them the best contract, that's where they'll go. Seems like playing for a contender doesn't matter as much as the bucks.

To us average fans, we would jump at the chance to play on a team that had the potential to win the World Series. We would gladly be the 25th player, just to be on that team that won it all. Evidentially today's players look at things a bit differently. I can't say I blame 'em. Would you trade a temporary feeling of being a World Champ for absolute financial stability for your family? Given the choice I'm not sure which way I would go.

[Edited on 12/8/2006 by crossroad_blues]


RobFilmMusic - 12/8/2006 at 06:37 AM

It looks like the sox may be trying to squeeze Boras a little bit:

From Rotoworld.com:


DAISUKE MATSUZAKA
While Daisuke Matsuzaka is set to travel to the U.S. on Saturday, he may just be going to Los Angeles to shoot a Nike commercial and pay a visit to a training facility.
There apparently won't be any face-to-face negotiations, though he could go to Boston for a physical if enough progress is made in talks. The Boston Globe reported Thursday that the Red Sox were less optimistic that a deal would be struck. However, that's probably a negotiating ploy to let Scott Boras know they are willing to walk away. Serious talks probably haven't even started yet.


also the sox seem interested in Gagne

ERIC GAGNE
A source told the Boston Globe's Gordon Edes that talks are heating up between the Red Sox and free agent Eric Gagne.
Gagne may want more guaranteed money than the Red Sox are interested in offering, but Boston has already done two deals with Scott Boras this winter (J.D. Drew and Alex Cora) and still has one more coming up with Daisuke Matsuzaka. It might pay off to give Gagne an extra million dollars or two.


crossroad_blues - 12/8/2006 at 06:58 AM

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It looks like the sox may be trying to squeeze Boras a little bit:



Oh yeah, they've really been squeezing him so far. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Boros will just take his toys & play elsewhere.


RobFilmMusic - 12/8/2006 at 07:02 AM

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It looks like the sox may be trying to squeeze Boras a little bit:



Oh yeah, they've really been squeezing him so far. $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Boros will just take his toys & play elsewhere.


yeah i know with Drew and Lugo he probably walked away with a little more money but i think the sox are trying to put the pressure on with Matsuzaka


In other baseball news the Braves got a terrific deal today trading Horacio Ramirez for Rafeal Soriano.

From when i've watched him Soriano could be a closer IMO


crossroad_blues - 12/8/2006 at 07:23 AM

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yeah i know with Drew and Lugo he probably walked away with a little more money but i think the sox are trying to put the pressure on with Matsuzaka



Good luck, the BoSox already paid $51 million just for the rights to negotiate. Boros knows the pressures on le' hose rouge to sign Matsuzaka. Boros holds all the cards.


gondicar - 12/8/2006 at 01:03 PM

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yeah i know with Drew and Lugo he probably walked away with a little more money but i think the sox are trying to put the pressure on with Matsuzaka



Good luck, the BoSox already paid $51 million just for the rights to negotiate. Boros knows the pressures on le' hose rouge to sign Matsuzaka. Boros holds all the cards.


This is not correct. The Sox have not paid anything yet, in fact they didn't even have to put anything in escrow...they only pay the posting fee if they can sign him. Boras has very little leverage in this one. Matsuzaka is not a free agent, if wants to play in the majors in 2007 it is with the Red Sox or no one (if he doesn't sign then he under Japanese rules he would become a free agent in May of 2008). And it is NOT in his best interest to have to go back to Japan with his tail between his legs because $8 milliion per year (or whatever he were to turn down) was not enough...the Japanese media can be just as tough on a "greedy" player as any here in the US and over there it would be his fault, not the Red Sox, if a deal isn't done. Also, the Seibu Lions want that $51 million, they want this deal done and I'm sure are applying whatever pressure they can...they will not be happy if a deal is not done. There is also the risk of turning down the big bucks to go back to his paltry $2 million salary with the Lions only to get hurt and never see the big pay day. So yes, there is pressure on the Sox from the fans to get him signed, but there is just as much pressure on Boras/Matsuzaka as well.


[Edited on 12/8/2006 by gondicar]


WharfRat - 12/8/2006 at 01:57 PM

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also the sox seem interested in Gagne



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA


cupofjo - 12/8/2006 at 02:00 PM

Let the Sox have Gagne

If they sign him they all but sure to get Matsuzaka at a lower rate.


CanPeach - 12/8/2006 at 03:49 PM

My son want to play in the NHL, but after seeing what some of these average pitchers are getting these days, I think I'll get him into baseball this summer

Case in point, the Cubs are willing to give Lilly $10mil a year This is for a guy whose at best a .500 pitcher, and was 3rd or 4th in the Blue Jays rotation.

And now the Jays may be shopping gold glover Vernon Wells in order to get another pitcher....but whose left?

Other than Barry Zito who looks to rake in the big bucks any day.


RobFilmMusic - 12/8/2006 at 04:47 PM

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Let the Sox have Gagne

If they sign him they all but sure to get Matsuzaka at a lower rate.


I don't think the Sox, if they sign Gagne, will immediately use him as the closer...... Supposedly he's seeking around 5 million a year..... thats laughable. If they sign him i see it as an incentive laden deal within the 2 million range and they see what he does in the 'pen.


gondicar - 12/8/2006 at 06:34 PM

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Let the Sox have Gagne

If they sign him they all but sure to get Matsuzaka at a lower rate.


I don't think the Sox, if they sign Gagne, will immediately use him as the closer...... Supposedly he's seeking around 5 million a year..... thats laughable. If they sign him i see it as an incentive laden deal within the 2 million range and they see what he does in the 'pen.


He already reportedly turned down an offer in the $3-$4 million range guaranteed plus incentives to stay with the Dodgers, so I doubt he'd take anything less from the Sox. He essentially hasn't pitched in 2 seasons and hasn't even been able to start throwing yet this off season so why anyone would take a risk on this guy, especially to sign him and immediately pencil him in as your closer, is beyond me. He's sort of in the same boat Nomar was the last few seasons...everyone thinks your injury prone and in decline so need to take a one year deal for short guaranteed money and incentives, prove you still have it, then sign a big contract after that.


RobFilmMusic - 12/9/2006 at 12:00 AM

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This should make Wharfy's day:


Source: Pettitte to Yankees with one-year, $16M deal


Many thought Andy Pettitte should have never left New York. It looks like that issue has been rectified.

The left-hander and the Yankees have reached an agreement on a one-year deal that will pay him $16 million in 2007 with a player option for 2008, sources close to the negotiations told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney on Friday.

The player option for 2008 is also at $16 million. Pettitte must pass a physical for the agreement to be finalized.

Pettitte decided Wednesday that he would pitch next season rather than retire, a move that set off negotiations with his hometown Houston Astros and the Yankees.

ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports that Pettitte would have taken $14 million to stay with the Astros, who did not move from their $12 million offer for 2007.

Pettitte pitched for the Yankees from 1995-2003, helping New York win four World Series and six AL pennants. He spent the last three seasons with the Astros, who reached the World Series for the first time in 2004.

Pettitte was 14-13 with a 4.20 ERA in 35 starts for the Astros last season. His decision to leave the Yankees in 2003 also caused New York teammate Roger Clemens to put off retirement and sign with the Astros.

In New York, Pettitte would join a rotation that includes Chien-Ming Wang, Mike Mussina and Randy Johnson.

Pettitte helped the Yankees win four World Series titles, and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman acknowledged that players from that era hold a special appeal for the team's fans.

"There's no doubt there's a love affair for some of these players that will last for a lifetime, and you've seen that obviously when some of these guys return to our park in another uniform -- or guys that have been playing with us still," Cashman said.


















cupofjo - 12/9/2006 at 03:39 AM

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This should make Wharfy's day:


Source: Pettitte to Yankees with one-year, $16M deal


Many thought Andy Pettitte should have never left New York. It looks like that issue has been rectified.

The left-hander and the Yankees have reached an agreement on a one-year deal that will pay him $16 million in 2007 with a player option for 2008, sources close to the negotiations told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney on Friday.

The player option for 2008 is also at $16 million. Pettitte must pass a physical for the agreement to be finalized.

Pettitte decided Wednesday that he would pitch next season rather than retire, a move that set off negotiations with his hometown Houston Astros and the Yankees.

ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports that Pettitte would have taken $14 million to stay with the Astros, who did not move from their $12 million offer for 2007.

Pettitte pitched for the Yankees from 1995-2003, helping New York win four World Series and six AL pennants. He spent the last three seasons with the Astros, who reached the World Series for the first time in 2004.

Pettitte was 14-13 with a 4.20 ERA in 35 starts for the Astros last season. His decision to leave the Yankees in 2003 also caused New York teammate Roger Clemens to put off retirement and sign with the Astros.

In New York, Pettitte would join a rotation that includes Chien-Ming Wang, Mike Mussina and Randy Johnson.

Pettitte helped the Yankees win four World Series titles, and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman acknowledged that players from that era hold a special appeal for the team's fans.

"There's no doubt there's a love affair for some of these players that will last for a lifetime, and you've seen that obviously when some of these guys return to our park in another uniform -- or guys that have been playing with us still," Cashman said.





















WharfRat - 12/9/2006 at 04:33 AM

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This should make Wharfy's day:


Source: Pettitte to Yankees with one-year, $16M deal


Many thought Andy Pettitte should have never left New York. It looks like that issue has been rectified.

The left-hander and the Yankees have reached an agreement on a one-year deal that will pay him $16 million in 2007 with a player option for 2008, sources close to the negotiations told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney on Friday.

The player option for 2008 is also at $16 million. Pettitte must pass a physical for the agreement to be finalized.

Pettitte decided Wednesday that he would pitch next season rather than retire, a move that set off negotiations with his hometown Houston Astros and the Yankees.

ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports that Pettitte would have taken $14 million to stay with the Astros, who did not move from their $12 million offer for 2007.

Pettitte pitched for the Yankees from 1995-2003, helping New York win four World Series and six AL pennants. He spent the last three seasons with the Astros, who reached the World Series for the first time in 2004.

Pettitte was 14-13 with a 4.20 ERA in 35 starts for the Astros last season. His decision to leave the Yankees in 2003 also caused New York teammate Roger Clemens to put off retirement and sign with the Astros.

In New York, Pettitte would join a rotation that includes Chien-Ming Wang, Mike Mussina and Randy Johnson.

Pettitte helped the Yankees win four World Series titles, and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman acknowledged that players from that era hold a special appeal for the team's fans.

"There's no doubt there's a love affair for some of these players that will last for a lifetime, and you've seen that obviously when some of these guys return to our park in another uniform -- or guys that have been playing with us still," Cashman said.























I second that


RobFilmMusic - 12/9/2006 at 06:32 AM

Apparently the Sox have lost interest in Gagne....

ESPN Rumor Central had this to say:

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Game over in L.A.?
Dec 7 - Closer Eric Gagne spurned an offer to stay with the Dodgers and will shop around for a better deal, the Los Angeles Times reports. Gagne's agent, Scott Boras, turned down a guaranteed one-year, $4-million offer with incentives that could have increased the value to $10 million.

Although the Dodgers don't appear willing to increase the offer, Boras plans to speak to GM Ned Colletti again before Gagne signs with another team. The market for Gagne has increased to more than $5 million guaranteed, with the same kind of incentives L.A. is offering.



for some reason it sounds like Boras isn't too confident that he can stay healthy


cupofjo - 12/9/2006 at 02:10 PM

Damn He should of taken that deal! Unless the incentives were unrealistic or I think you might have hit the nail right on the head Rob!


gondicar - 12/9/2006 at 08:35 PM

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This should make Wharfy's day:


Source: Pettitte to Yankees with one-year, $16M deal


Many thought Andy Pettitte should have never left New York. It looks like that issue has been rectified.

The left-hander and the Yankees have reached an agreement on a one-year deal that will pay him $16 million in 2007 with a player option for 2008, sources close to the negotiations told ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney on Friday.

The player option for 2008 is also at $16 million. Pettitte must pass a physical for the agreement to be finalized.

Pettitte decided Wednesday that he would pitch next season rather than retire, a move that set off negotiations with his hometown Houston Astros and the Yankees.

ESPN.com's Jayson Stark reports that Pettitte would have taken $14 million to stay with the Astros, who did not move from their $12 million offer for 2007.

Pettitte pitched for the Yankees from 1995-2003, helping New York win four World Series and six AL pennants. He spent the last three seasons with the Astros, who reached the World Series for the first time in 2004.

Pettitte was 14-13 with a 4.20 ERA in 35 starts for the Astros last season. His decision to leave the Yankees in 2003 also caused New York teammate Roger Clemens to put off retirement and sign with the Astros.

In New York, Pettitte would join a rotation that includes Chien-Ming Wang, Mike Mussina and Randy Johnson.

Pettitte helped the Yankees win four World Series titles, and Yankees general manager Brian Cashman acknowledged that players from that era hold a special appeal for the team's fans.

"There's no doubt there's a love affair for some of these players that will last for a lifetime, and you've seen that obviously when some of these guys return to our park in another uniform -- or guys that have been playing with us still," Cashman said.














I second that




Maybe the pinstripes will bring him back to form, but 2 of his 3 years in Houston were just mediocre...14-13 with an ERA over 4 and a career high 27 HRs allowed last year in the pitcher-friendly NL. And for that he gets rewarded with $16 million.

The Yankees rotation could probably get a group endorsement deal with Geritol.


RobFilmMusic - 12/9/2006 at 11:19 PM

dems fightin words:

Sox Fire Back: Did Grady Little Tamper With Manny Ramirez?
From the Boston Herald


If the Los Angeles Dodgers want to play rough with the Red Sox [team stats] and file tampering charges with Major League Baseball regarding the signing of outfielder J.D. Drew [stats], the National League club should expect an immediate flurry of counterpunches.
According to a story in yesterday’s New York Times [NYT], the Dodgers are so disgruntled about losing Drew to the Sox that they are considering formally taking the issue up with MLB, alleging that general manager Theo Epstein enticed the outfielder into exercising his right to void the final three years (and $33 million) on his contact in November. Drew signed a five-year, $70 million deal with the Red Sox on Tuesday.

Should the Dodgers opt to take action, however, the Sox may respond with as many as three tampering charges against Los Angeles, according to a source close to the situation, including one involving attempts to contact Manny Ramirez [stats]. The other two pertain to the Dodgers allegedly contacting two Sox front office employees about potential jobs without seeking permission from the team.
“There’s a lot of animosity between the organizations right now for a lot of reasons, but if (the Dodgers file tampering charges), they better realize that they’re coming right back at them,” the source said.

...

It is believed Little and/or Jauss even phoned a Sox employee in search of Ramirez’ current phone number. While they were rebuffed, an associate of Ramirez told a Sox official that the player had spoken with one of them. There was no confirmation of that conversation, however.

...

The Drew situation undoubtedly strained relations. Epstein, who unsuccessfully attempted to sign Drew when he was a free agent after the 2004 season, has repeatedly denied having any contact with him or his agent, Scott Boras, before he became a free agent on Nov. 10.


WharfRat - 12/10/2006 at 12:45 AM

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Now the Yankees can pay about $25 million for Clemens. Maybe he can duplicate last season, 19 starts, 7 wins. I am sure Torre wants a player with his own set of team rules as well.


Clemens only won 7 games because the Stros cant hit.

And for the record.. I dont think he is coming back to NY.

Though I wouldnt be against it.


phillybob - 12/10/2006 at 02:31 AM

Go Phillies we got the best of the bunch Freddy Garcia!!!!!!!!!!!!


WharfRat - 12/10/2006 at 04:20 AM

Makes ya wish I was like that with the Yanks, eh?


WharfRat - 12/10/2006 at 04:30 AM

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Makes ya wish I was like that with the Yanks, eh?


No.






You sure bout that?


WharfRat - 12/10/2006 at 04:33 AM

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Makes ya wish I was like that with the Yanks, eh?


No.






You sure bout that?





No.



crossroad_blues - 12/10/2006 at 04:36 AM

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Go Phillies we got the best of the bunch Freddy Garcia!!!!!!!!!!!!



Phillybob makes his first of many pro-Phillies posts. They are plentiful in the winter and spring, slow down a bit in June and July and are non-existent in August as the Phillies fall out of yet another race.


Well it's better that my O's. We're usually out by May.


WharfRat - 12/10/2006 at 04:40 AM

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Go Phillies we got the best of the bunch Freddy Garcia!!!!!!!!!!!!



Phillybob makes his first of many pro-Phillies posts. They are plentiful in the winter and spring, slow down a bit in June and July and are non-existent in August as the Phillies fall out of yet another race.


Well it's better that my O's. We're usually out by March



WharfRat - 12/10/2006 at 04:41 AM

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I can't believe thta, after all you said when he left, that you want Clemens back. Personally, I don't think he is worth the hassles he creates


With the rotaton the Yanks have right now, I dont care of they sign Satan himself.
They need HELP

Wang
Pettitte
Moose ( sometimes)


and then pray for rain.


WharfRat - 12/10/2006 at 04:53 AM

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I can't believe thta, after all you said when he left, that you want Clemens back. Personally, I don't think he is worth the hassles he creates


With the rotaton the Yanks have right now, I dont care of they sign Satan himself.
They need HELP

Wang
Pettitte
Moose ( sometimes)


and then pray for rain.



Most teams have that same problem. I can't think of any team that has 5 solid starters.


Guess you have a point there.

At least with Roger we KNOW is a hired gun, and has been since he left Boston.
If he can help us win the WS, then I am cool with that. Its not like he is like Sammy* or Barry* now


But again, I do not think he is comig back to NY. I think he may 'dabble" in the idea, but go back to Houston... Or just stay home for good.

I was more pissed when Andy left, because he could have been the best Yankee pitcher ever ( stat wise anyway) And one of the few starters that was "home grown"

I just hope he stays healthy


cupofjo - 12/10/2006 at 02:54 PM

Hey now dont be surprised if you see a deal for Dontrelle Willis. I am still crossing my fingers for this to happen. The Yankees have enough prospects to make this happen. I see Melky and the two pitching prospects we got from Detroit for the trade. Remember he is only 26 and a lefty who throws heat I do not want to lose Melky but for proven young pitching it is a no brainer.

When does Willis become a free agent? Next year or the year after? If it is two years they might hang on to him one more year.


WharfRat - 12/10/2006 at 03:39 PM

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see Melky and the two pitching prospects we got from Detroit for the trade




No


cupofjo - 12/10/2006 at 05:36 PM

From ESPN:

After all the hoopla surrounding the $51.1 million bid the Red Sox posted to talk to Daisuke Matsuzaka, it appears a contract may not materialize. The initial offer made by the Red Sox was believed to be between $7-8 million a year for four-six years, but Boras was reportedly asking for nearly $15 million a year.


What is wrong with Boras and the Red Sox. Find out the lowest figure he will take and give it to him! 7 to 8 million is a slap in the face compared what these other guys are getting. Up it to 12 million and I bet it will be all good. Just because they bid 51 million doesnt give them the right to low ball him!


WharfRat - 12/11/2006 at 01:20 AM

Sure glad Wang isnt Japanese


cupofjo - 12/11/2006 at 01:54 AM

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From ESPN:

After all the hoopla surrounding the $51.1 million bid the Red Sox posted to talk to Daisuke Matsuzaka, it appears a contract may not materialize. The initial offer made by the Red Sox was believed to be between $7-8 million a year for four-six years, but Boras was reportedly asking for nearly $15 million a year.


What is wrong with Boras and the Red Sox. Find out the lowest figure he will take and give it to him! 7 to 8 million is a slap in the face compared what these other guys are getting. Up it to 12 million and I bet it will be all good. Just because they bid 51 million doesnt give them the right to low ball him!




The guy hasn't thrown one pitch in MLB. He isn't worth $15 million. Name one pitcher who came here from Japan and was worth that kind of money. Just about every pitcher who came here from Japan has been underwhelming.


I understand that all to well Can you say IRABU!!! But what I am going by is what every major league scout is saying about the guy. With what Meche, Lilly, Padilla each signed for this guy is worth at least that much 10 to 12 million. Because there is no other teams involved the Red Sox are low balling! That is a fact.


WharfRat - 12/11/2006 at 02:50 AM

I still say the Sox only made that crazy offer to keep him away from the Yanks.
I truly believe that they had no intention of signing him from the beginning.


RobFilmMusic - 12/11/2006 at 08:31 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
From ESPN:

After all the hoopla surrounding the $51.1 million bid the Red Sox posted to talk to Daisuke Matsuzaka, it appears a contract may not materialize. The initial offer made by the Red Sox was believed to be between $7-8 million a year for four-six years, but Boras was reportedly asking for nearly $15 million a year.


What is wrong with Boras and the Red Sox. Find out the lowest figure he will take and give it to him! 7 to 8 million is a slap in the face compared what these other guys are getting. Up it to 12 million and I bet it will be all good. Just because they bid 51 million doesnt give them the right to low ball him!




The guy hasn't thrown one pitch in MLB. He isn't worth $15 million. Name one pitcher who came here from Japan and was worth that kind of money. Just about every pitcher who came here from Japan has been underwhelming.


I understand that all to well Can you say IRABU!!! But what I am going by is what every major league scout is saying about the guy. With what Meche, Lilly, Padilla each signed for this guy is worth at least that much 10 to 12 million. Because there is no other teams involved the Red Sox are low balling! That is a fact.


can you really blame the Sox for low-balling though? I don't think there's any way i would even remotely think of over 10 mil for the guy. OITF has a point he hasn't thrown a single pitch in MLB and I guarantee that green monster i gonna look a lot closer on the mound than on TV............. Even without him i think the Sox rotation isn't all that bad

Schilling
Beckett
Papelbon
Lester
Wakefield

with the way pitching is...... thats one of the better rotations IMO


cupofjo - 12/11/2006 at 11:56 AM

SANTIAGO, Dominican Republic -- The New York Yankees signed Cuban prospect Juan Miranda to a four-year contract worth $2 million, the player told ESPNdeportes.com.


The Yankees are sure making a splash this off season!

This really shows Steinbreiner has finally relinquished his power. So far only big signing was Petitte. This makes me very happy that they are taking the conservative approach. IMO the only thing they need is pitching just like every one else. I just wish they would give Andy Phillips a shot at first instead of looking elsewhere.


cupofjo - 12/11/2006 at 12:09 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
From ESPN:

After all the hoopla surrounding the $51.1 million bid the Red Sox posted to talk to Daisuke Matsuzaka, it appears a contract may not materialize. The initial offer made by the Red Sox was believed to be between $7-8 million a year for four-six years, but Boras was reportedly asking for nearly $15 million a year.


What is wrong with Boras and the Red Sox. Find out the lowest figure he will take and give it to him! 7 to 8 million is a slap in the face compared what these other guys are getting. Up it to 12 million and I bet it will be all good. Just because they bid 51 million doesnt give them the right to low ball him!




The guy hasn't thrown one pitch in MLB. He isn't worth $15 million. Name one pitcher who came here from Japan and was worth that kind of money. Just about every pitcher who came here from Japan has been underwhelming.


I understand that all to well Can you say IRABU!!! But what I am going by is what every major league scout is saying about the guy. With what Meche, Lilly, Padilla each signed for this guy is worth at least that much 10 to 12 million. Because there is no other teams involved the Red Sox are low balling! That is a fact.


can you really blame the Sox for low-balling though? I don't think there's any way i would even remotely think of over 10 mil for the guy. OITF has a point he hasn't thrown a single pitch in MLB and I guarantee that green monster i gonna look a lot closer on the mound than on TV............. Even without him i think the Sox rotation isn't all that bad

Schilling
Beckett
Papelbon
Lester
Wakefield

with the way pitching is...... thats one of the better rotations IMO


Dont forget Matt Clement

If Papelbon stays healthy and Lester has no set backs with his cancer you are right! I really believe Beckett will bounce back just fine.

SO! With that said maybe Chuck was onto something about the Red Sox with Matsuzaka.
I still dont believe it. That only makes it temporary. They really need to get this guy because we all know injuries happen especially pitchers.

Maybe they need to up the money and fewer years. Give him 18 to 20 million for two with an option to meet his expectation for the following two years if he produces as expected.


gondicar - 12/11/2006 at 01:21 PM

quote:
I still say the Sox only made that crazy offer to keep him away from the Yanks.
I truly believe that they had no intention of signing him from the beginning.


I don't think so, that would only keep him away from them for a year. Of course the way the system currently works (or doesn't work) I suppose when he posts next season they could just bid $100 million and then not sign him again.


gondicar - 12/11/2006 at 01:37 PM

Now seems like Boras is the one who doesn't want to get this done...

December 11, 2006
Tumbling Dice
By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff

With Thursday's deadline for signing Daisuke Matsuzaka looming, the Red Sox are in a position of wondering, as one well-placed source said yesterday, whether agent Scott Boras is "running out the clock'' on negotiations.

Talks over the weekend moved at a glacial pace, with the Sox, as of Sunday night, still awaiting the semblance of a counter-offer from Boras to the comprehensive offer they made at least 10 days ago. Boras had pledged late last week that the Sox would hear directly from Matsuzaka, who flew in from Tokyo on Saturday, but there was no public indication that has yet to happen. Indeed, frustrated Sox officials were privately wondering whether the player was aware that Boras so far had not made a counter-offer.

But regardless of whether Boras has put a deal on the table that the pitcher would accept, he has both publicly and privately let it be known to the Sox that he expects the 26-year-old Matsuzaka to be compensated like an elite free agent. The Red Sox, meanwhile, have argued that the reason they were willing to post $51.1 million to Matsuzaka's Japanese team, the Seibu Lions, for the right to negotiate with the pitcher is because they would own controlling rights over him for six years.

Complete story at: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/extras/extra_bases/


RobFilmMusic - 12/11/2006 at 06:58 PM



Deal or no deal?



cupofjo - 12/12/2006 at 01:23 AM

LMAO


crossroad_blues - 12/12/2006 at 01:47 AM

quote:
Maybe they need to up the money and fewer years. Give him 18 to 20 million for two with an option to meet his expectation for the following two years if he produces as expected.


egg zak lee....

Boros is playing "hardball" (excuse the pun).


WharfRat - 12/12/2006 at 01:55 AM

[quoteBut regardless of whether Boras has put a deal on the table that the pitcher would accept, he has both publicly and privately let it be known to the Sox that he expects the 26-year-old Matsuzaka to be compensated like an elite free agent




Typical Bor-ASS

This guy has not thrown a single pitch in the MLB. I know he was "elite" in Japan, but that does not mean he will be here.


RobFilmMusic - 12/12/2006 at 02:08 AM

Apparently Boras is holding a press conference today at 9 PM EST at his offices in Newport Beach, CA.....




I don't know how many of you have ever been to Newport Beach but I think some of the most obnoxious people in the world live in that area.


cupofjo - 12/12/2006 at 02:22 AM

quote:
Apparently Boras is holding a press conference today at 9 PM EST at his offices in Newport Beach, CA.....




I don't know how many of you have ever been to Newport Beach but I think some of the most obnoxious people in the world live in that area.


Must be the name. We have a Newport here in RI and they are quite stiff!


crossroad_blues - 12/12/2006 at 02:23 AM

quote:
Apparently Boras is holding a press conference today at 9 PM EST at his offices in Newport Beach, CA.....




I don't know how many of you have ever been to Newport Beach but I think some of the most obnoxious people in the world live in that area.


I find that to be the case in much of southern CA, peach heads excepted of course.


crossroad_blues - 12/12/2006 at 02:24 AM

quote:
We have a Newport here in RI and they are quite stiff!


....not that there's anything wrong with that....


WharfRat - 12/12/2006 at 02:35 AM

And its not even Thursday


crossroad_blues - 12/12/2006 at 02:47 AM

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And its not even Thursday


hehe...too bad it ain't....tomorrow would be Friday!!!!


RobFilmMusic - 12/12/2006 at 03:09 AM

quote:
quote:
Apparently Boras is holding a press conference today at 9 PM EST at his offices in Newport Beach, CA.....




I don't know how many of you have ever been to Newport Beach but I think some of the most obnoxious people in the world live in that area.


I find that to be the case in much of southern CA, peach heads excepted of course.



'preciate that one


I absolutely hate going down to Orange county and i had to do it for work yesterday.


RobFilmMusic - 12/12/2006 at 06:41 AM

I won't post the whole transript of what Boras said but basically he did say "the decision is up to Matsuzaka" which is somewhat encouraging for anyone that would like to see him pitch in the majors in '07

the rest of it was pretty much standard Boras BS.


cupofjo - 12/12/2006 at 11:52 AM

quote:
I won't post the whole transript of what Boras said but basically he did say "the decision is up to Matsuzaka" which is somewhat encouraging for anyone that would like to see him pitch in the majors in '07

the rest of it was pretty much standard Boras BS.


I just read it he is such an a$$. Worth a 100 million

Red Sox increased their offer so the I see the deal gettin done.


gondicar - 12/12/2006 at 02:11 PM

Boras demands way out of line
By Nick Cafardo, Globe Staff | December 12, 2006

When Scott Boras negotiated Alex Rodriguez's $252 million deal with the Texas Rangers, you could feel your mouth drop and wonder about the sanity of baseball. But at the end of the day, you at least could reason that, at the time, A-Rod was the best player in the game. A proven commodity. A future Hall of Famer.

Which is far from what Daisuke Matsuzaka is.

One hundred million dollars? Is that what Boras is asking for?

For a pitcher who has never thrown a baseball in a major league uniform? For a pitcher with tremendous ability, according to just about any coach, manager, and scout who has seen him, but who asked the Seibu Lions to post him so he could live his dream as a big league ballplayer? Doesn't he want to be a big league ballplayer first and PROVE he's worth $100 million? Or does he just want a team to hand him the money before he proves anything?

I'm not sure the latter is honorable in any country.

If Larry Lucchino, Theo Epstein, and/or John Henry come close to that number (I'm talking about a six-year, $100 million contract, not counting the $51.1 million posting fee) they should have their franchise revoked.

Matsuzaka won't get that now, won't get that next year, and may not get it the year after that, when he could be an unrestricted free agent.

The New York Mets and New York Yankees were of the same mindset as the Sox when they made their bids in the posting process -- that Matsuzaka was worth in the vicinity of $8 million per year, $10 million tops.

The Yankees can get as crazy as anyone with money, but even they understand the risk.

Matsuzaka is worth more than Roy Oswalt or Roy Halladay or Jason Schmidt? How has that value been determined? By pitching for the Seibu Lions of the Japanese Central League? You mean to say that Matsuzaka should be paid more than Josh Beckett, who has won at Yankee Stadium to clinch a World Series? He should be paid more than Curt Schilling?

Japanese baseball is a notch better than Triple A, but also a notch lower than the majors. Granted, it is difficult to gauge his worth, but to say he should make more than a proven All-Star in the majors? Don't think so.

For as much as Boras should be admired for being a terrific negotiator and innovator, he's also capable of the ridiculous and absurd. And throwing out a $100 million figure for Matsuzaka is all that.

Now comes word that perhaps he hasn't negotiated with the Red Sox at all, and that the Sox have had to force the issue by flying to Boras's base in Newport Beach, Calif., unannounced to demand a meeting.

Sox owner John Henry said early this morning, "We're on Scott's doorstep. He hasn't negotiated with us. We're taking the fight directly to him."

The Sox brass indicated that their initial offer wasn't countered and they've made a second offer and are waiting for a counter on that. It's strange that an agent would receive an offer and not counter it. We know that much of this is posturing, which Boras does better than anyone.

But it also makes you wonder if he wants to get the kid signed at all.

Epstein characterized the new Sox offer as the most ever given to a Japanese player. The Red Sox want to make sure Matsuzaka and the Japanese know of Boston's seriousness in trying to work out a deal.

This was supposed to be the story of a fine young Japanese pitcher getting his chance in the big leagues for a big market team with a passionate fan base that is second to none.

Does that matter anymore? Or has Matsuzaka been Boras-ized to the point where he'll be used as a test case of the posting system? A protest? Where only the bottom line matters?

Something about this doesn't feel right.

It shouldn't feel right to Matsuzaka, who could make it right by insisting that his dream be fulfilled this season in a city where baseball matters.


CanPeach - 12/12/2006 at 02:34 PM

Good point. I too believe players should prove themselves before getting the big salaries, especially when coming from another country/league where the talent is not the same.

Good Luck with the Sox gondy...at least I don't have to fret about the Blue Jays mortgaging the farm on this one!


crossroad_blues - 12/13/2006 at 01:41 AM

quote:
Good point. I too believe players should prove themselves before getting the big salaries, especially when coming from another country/league where the talent is not the same.



The BoSox have already convinced themselves that he's worth it by outbidding others by about $15 mill. Boros knows this. He ain't stupid. The BoSox have already blinked by upping their deal before Boros countered their first offer. Boros knows if Matsuzaka doesn't sign, he's a free agent next year...and the bidding starts at $51 million.

My guess is they get it done. The BoSox will bend over, grab their ankles & take it where the sun don't shine. The'll come out, wipe their chins & proclaim everything is roses.

Like you said Neil. All this for an unproven player from basically the high minor leagues. Incredible.


cupofjo - 12/13/2006 at 02:49 AM

Just think. It's not the Yankees Couldnt resist.


WharfRat - 12/13/2006 at 04:11 AM

Glad to see it happen to another team for once


RobFilmMusic - 12/13/2006 at 08:21 AM

quote:
Glad to see it happen to another team for once



I wouldn't say it's happened yet


quote:
From the Boston Herald:

COSTA MESA, Calif. — Around midnight East Coast time tonight, the Red Sox’ negotiating team walked out of Scott Boras’ offices with no deal yet for Daisuke Matsuzaka and a big question mark as to whether or not the face-to-face negotiations will resume.

General manager Theo Epstein said “the decision is up to Matsuzaka-san’’ when asked if a decision had been made after the approximately hour-long meeting. President and CEO Larry Lucchino adding a no comment as well as “it’s pending,’’ referring to the status of the talks.

The Red Sox negotiating team, which included Tom Werner and a Japanese interpreter, as well as Craig Shipley, had negotiated with Boras for much of the day.

Shortly after Epstein left, Boras left his offices along with his Japanese interpreter. It was assumed that he was going to meet with his client, presumably to discuss the Red Sox’ latest and perhaps final contract offer.

Said Boras: “I’ll have something for you maybe later in the day.’’

The Red Sox are leaving with or without Matsuzaka Wednesday morning on owner John Henry’s private jet.




apparently this evening's meeting was fairly short. Doesn't sound too optimistic for him getting signed.


cupofjo - 12/13/2006 at 12:14 PM

Wow this looks like it might not get done I thought for sure that it would. The clock is ticking now!


gondicar - 12/13/2006 at 02:00 PM

GORDON EDES'S 3 A.M. UPDATE: Just after midnight on the West Coast, a source with direct ties to negotiations said that "dialogue continues" between the two sides. That would appear to leave open the possibility that a deal could still be struck before the Sox make their scheduled departure this morning, but nothing appeared imminent.


ozzypie - 12/13/2006 at 02:13 PM

I guarantee you guys that he WILL be signed.

Bet the house and car on it!

BorASS will play hardball up until the last second, and then take the best deal offered.


WharfRat - 12/13/2006 at 02:58 PM

I am thinking the same thing.

BorASS never misses a big payday


ozzypie - 12/13/2006 at 03:17 PM

quote:
I am thinking the same thing.

BorASS never misses a big payday


That...and I've heard the Japanese team has already spent the 51 million.


RobFilmMusic - 12/13/2006 at 04:30 PM

here's the latest

quote:

From the Boston Herald:



No one wants to go on the record as of yet but here’s the latest info, according to plugged-in sources: The Red Sox’ latest offer to Matsuzaka is six years for $8 million. Matsuzaka has counter-offered with six years for $11 million and that is the deal the Red Sox are weighing heading into the early hours of Wednesday morning.
The Red Sox are saying that if Matsuzaka is not on John Henry’s plane that heads back to Boston this morning, there is no chance of the deal getting done because he will not have time to have a physical. Matsuzaka’s camp is not concerned with the Red Sox’ timeline on private jets and physicals.

Basically, both sides are becoming more adamant about how they are willing to walk away from this deal, and this is after the Red Sox got their face to face meeting, however brief, with Matsuzaka Tuesday night. The Red Sox are shaking their heads, wondering how Matsuzaka and his agent Scott Boras can overlook the $51.11 million that they will send to the Seibu Lions if Matsuzka signs, meaning a total commitment of more than $99 million. Meanwhile Matsuzaka and Boras are wondering if the Red Sox think Daisuke Matsuzaka is Japanese for “Gil Meche'’ or “Randy Wolf.'’

How does $9.5 million a year for six years sound? Anyone? Anyone?



I think a lot of teams would sign him for $9.5 mill.......... if someone is going to hand out $10 mill to Gil Meche, i think you could swing $9.5 mill for Matsuzaka


gondicar - 12/13/2006 at 04:54 PM

quote:
I guarantee you guys that he WILL be signed.

Bet the house and car on it!

BorASS will play hardball up until the last second, and then take the best deal offered.


From your lips to to their ears...


gondicar - 12/13/2006 at 05:44 PM

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quote:
Good point. I too believe players should prove themselves before getting the big salaries, especially when coming from another country/league where the talent is not the same.



The BoSox have already convinced themselves that he's worth it by outbidding others by about $15 mill. Boros knows this. He ain't stupid. The BoSox have already blinked by upping their deal before Boros countered their first offer. Boros knows if Matsuzaka doesn't sign, he's a free agent next year...and the bidding starts at $51 million.
My guess is they get it done. The BoSox will bend over, grab their ankles & take it where the sun don't shine. The'll come out, wipe their chins & proclaim everything is roses.

Like you said Neil. All this for an unproven player from basically the high minor leagues. Incredible.


No, he will NOT be a free agent next year if he doesn't sign. The $51.11 million bid by the Red Sox goes to the Seibu Lions, Matsuzaka's team in Japan, if a deal is struck, If not, Boston doesn't have to pay the money and Matsuzaka would remain the property of the Lions and could not go through the posting system again until next November.

Under Japanese baseball rules, he couldn't become a free agent until after the 2008 season.


gondicar - 12/13/2006 at 06:29 PM

Sounds like they've all but got it done...

Dice-K en route
By Gordon Edes, Globe Staff

The Red Sox contingent in Southern California is currently flying back to Boston with pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka and his agent, Scott Boras, on board.

“You can assume that a deal is done or close,” said one source with direct knowledge of the talks.

Team owner John W. Henry confirmed that Boras and Matsuzaka were flying back with the team, writing in an e-mail to the Associated Press: "They all took off together." Team president Larry Lucchino said shortly after noon EST that the plane was leaving California.

GM Theo Epstein and the Sox contingent, which flew to California on Monday to talk face to face, essentially created a deadline of their own when they said that their intention was to return home to Boston this morning on Henry's private plane -- with Matsuzaka in tow so that he would have sufficient time to undergo a physical, which general manager Theo Epstein described as a nonnegotiable prerequisite to any deal.

In prior days, agent Scott Boras had said he would not allow Matsuzaka to travel to Boston for a physical unless the sides had reached a preliminary agreement.

The Sox made a posting bid of $51.1 million to Matsuzaka's Japanese team, the Seibu Lions, for the right to negotiate with the pitcher for 30 days, a window that ends tomorrow night.

Meanwhile, the Red Sox called a 3:30 p.m. press conference at Fenway Park to announce the signing of Julio Lugo.


gondicar - 12/13/2006 at 07:38 PM

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2006/baseball/mlb/12/13/matsuzaka.signs/in dex.html

Gee, he ends up with money closer to the Sox's offer of $9m/yr than Boras's $15m/yr.....shocker....


RobFilmMusic - 12/13/2006 at 09:10 PM

I'm happy with the deal

It's not absurd at all really considering what the likes of Adam Eaton and Gil Meche are getting.


gondicar - 12/13/2006 at 10:15 PM


cupofjo - 12/14/2006 at 02:41 AM

Finally the deal is done. This definately favors the Sox.
The contract has incentives that could push it to 60 million for 6 years. I think that is a very fair deal. Locking him up for 6 years was brilliant if he is that good!


RobFilmMusic - 12/14/2006 at 07:37 AM

quite frankly i'm kind of schocked that the Sox got him that cheap (not including the 51 mill posting). I guess they ended up winning the standoff considering how much Boras was seeking.


cupofjo - 12/14/2006 at 12:05 PM

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quite frankly i'm kind of schocked that the Sox got him that cheap (not including the 51 mill posting). I guess they ended up winning the standoff considering how much Boras was seeking.



Boras didn't have a great bargaining position. He could only negotiate with the Red Sox and if Matsuzaka went back to Japan, Boras would have earned the princely sum of $0.00.


What is his percentage 5%? Still a 3 million payday for him. I think he realized he didnt have a choice in this deal. There was no option of walking away from it. He would never get another client from Japan if he didnt sign.


gondicar - 12/14/2006 at 12:39 PM

Interesting comments today on boston.com from former major league third baseman Mike Pagliarulo, who for years has run a sophisticated scouting service for international players, with emphasis on the Pacific Rim. He also recommends what a Japanese player is worth to a major league team by using complicated formulas and is consulted by major league and Japanese teams....

When asked what he would have recommended as a posting figure for Matsuzaka, Pagliarulo said, "Fifty million. That's what I had written down long before the figures came out. That was based on the talent level of the player, the market for the player, and the value of the player to a team. The Red Sox did an excellent job in finding that value. They really did their homework."

Pagliarulo, who played for Seibu and was a teammate of current Lions manager Tsutomu Ito, is close to the Seibu ownership. He knew there was zero chance Matsuzaka was returning to Seibu. Pagliarulo also said that if Matsuzaka tried to return to Seibu, the team would not allow him to be posted again next season.

Pagliarulo figured that at some point Matsuzaka must have told Boras to get a deal done.

Full article:
http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/14/this_decis ion_goes_to_sox_not_boras/


cupofjo - 12/14/2006 at 11:36 PM

Thanks for the link that was definately a very interesting read.


crossroad_blues - 12/15/2006 at 02:07 AM

Mea culpa, mea culpa, mea maxima culpa

quote:
The BoSox will bend over, grab their ankles & take it where the sun don't shine. The'll come out, wipe their chins & proclaim everything is roses.


Man, Boros caved big time. D-Maz ends up signing for about the original offer & indentures himself for 6 years. No way I'd make that deal, either as a player or agent...5 years, maybe....

Maybe D-Maz is afraid he won't be so hot in the long run, but at least the BoSox are paying him for 6 years at a fairly good chunk of change (by his standards). Maybe Boros knows it too. If D-Maz bombs the Bosox can't be blamed for spending too much.

Gotta give the Bosox credit, they came up smelling like roses.



WharfRat - 12/15/2006 at 02:16 AM

Nice to see BorASS not get his way for once..


TexGent - 12/15/2006 at 08:56 AM

Just finished my FINAL final exam (career change time) so now I can concentrate on something important – spring training and the 2007 season are just around the corner!!!

Sad to see Pettitte go but I can’t blame Purpura/Drayton for not matching a PLAYER option for the second year. Andy’s arm was suspect 3 years ago when he came to Houston and last season he was somewhat erratic. Wish him all the luck in the world though, even if he is with NYY now (that’s almost painful to say ).

Now it is time for Clemens to pull off his annual tease of if/where he’ll pitch. Sure hope he doesn’t follow Andy to the East coast. Heck, if he does he’ll actually have to travel with the team and show up for home games, even when he doesn’t pitch. He WILL come back but in his own sweet time. I just hope he stays here.

Grabbing Jennings won’t be a bad deal if he’ll sign a new contract. This could be his big breakout year. In any event at least the ‘stros have a #2 pitcher for next year. They did give up a lot of potential in Hirsch but that’s the way it goes. WillyT will be missed in center but he was a hole in an offense that has too many holes already.

Certainly they overpaid for Lee, but geeesh, no one is cheap this year. Standing pat wasn’t going to get them anywhere in the Central this year against the Cubs, Cards, Reds and Brewers.


CanPeach - 12/15/2006 at 01:46 PM

Wow, they are already calling Matsuzaka a "National Treasure" and he dropped the puck at the Bruins game last night

I think the Red Sox have a lot riding on this guy, if he turns out to be a bust, teams may rethink breaking the bank for future Japanese pitchers.

But then again, he could be great.


gondicar - 12/15/2006 at 07:37 PM

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Wow, they are already calling Matsuzaka a "National Treasure" and he dropped the puck at the Bruins game last night

I think the Red Sox have a lot riding on this guy, if he turns out to be a bust, teams may rethink breaking the bank for future Japanese pitchers.

But then again, he could be great.



The money and the hype leave him no room for failure. He'd better be great from day one or he will hear it big time from the fans and the press. If that happens, he will find life in America not so enjoyable. Boston can be as tough a place to play in as anywhere.


I dunno, there been a lot written in the Boston media about the tough transition he faces. Not only in terms of baseball (most Japanese teams have maybe 3 major-league quality hitters in their lineup and there rest are closer to AAA, pitching every 5 days instead of 6, etc.) but also in terms of adjusting to life in America and an intense baseball city like Boston. I think most people hope he won't need it, but are prepared to give him some leeway to get adjusted.

BTW, when Theo referred to him as a national treasure, he was referring to how he is view in Japan not the US.


cupofjo - 12/16/2006 at 04:35 AM

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quote:
Wow, they are already calling Matsuzaka a "National Treasure" and he dropped the puck at the Bruins game last night

I think the Red Sox have a lot riding on this guy, if he turns out to be a bust, teams may rethink breaking the bank for future Japanese pitchers.

But then again, he could be great.



The money and the hype leave him no room for failure. He'd better be great from day one or he will hear it big time from the fans and the press. If that happens, he will find life in America not so enjoyable. Boston can be as tough a place to play in as anywhere.


I really think he is going to very well. If he doesnt I don't think they will be calling him a fat toad Maybe Welcome Mat


crossroad_blues - 12/16/2006 at 04:59 AM

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Welcome Mat


LMAO


RobFilmMusic - 12/16/2006 at 10:38 PM

Jays signed Vernon Wells for 7 yr at $126 millioin.....

I think it's a great deal considering what Soriano got.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2698288


cupofjo - 12/17/2006 at 04:06 AM

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Jays signed Vernon Wells for 7 yr at $126 millioin.....

I think it's a great deal considering what Soriano got.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2698288


Wells has flown a bit under the radar as compared to Soriano. I think the casual fan may be unaware of how good he really is. Toronto got a great deal. It seems that all of the big money is going to pitchers this year.



Great move by Toronto. Give the Blue Jays credit they seem to spend their money wisely. The Burnett deal was questionable last year but when he is healthy he has nasty stuff!


cupofjo - 12/17/2006 at 04:07 AM

Say it aint so Not Melky!

From ESPN.

A three-team trade reportedly is in the works that would send outfielder Melky Cabrera from the New York Yankees to the Atlanta Braves.

The deal, an unnamed baseball official told the New York Times, also would send reliever Mike Gonzalez from the Pittsburgh Pirates to the Yankees, and first baseman Adam LaRoche from the Braves to the Pirates.


CanPeach - 12/17/2006 at 05:09 AM

Rob I agree, Toronto sports teams sometimes do questionable deals, but Wells is a first class player you know is going to perform every year, good move on managements part

Now we just need one more pitcher...


cupofjo - 12/17/2006 at 02:06 PM

quote:
quote:
Rob I agree, Toronto sports teams sometimes do questionable deals, but Wells is a first class player you know is going to perform every year, good move on managements part

Now we just need one more pitcher...
Maybe Clemens will come back to Toronto.



Now wouldn't that be something!


RobFilmMusic - 12/17/2006 at 05:58 PM

quote:
Say it aint so Not Melky!

From ESPN.

A three-team trade reportedly is in the works that would send outfielder Melky Cabrera from the New York Yankees to the Atlanta Braves.

The deal, an unnamed baseball official told the New York Times, also would send reliever Mike Gonzalez from the Pittsburgh Pirates to the Yankees, and first baseman Adam LaRoche from the Braves to the Pirates.


I know the Sox were interested in Gonzalez......... this might be a move to block the Sox from getting a new closer.


cupofjo - 12/17/2006 at 06:14 PM

quote:
quote:
Say it aint so Not Melky!

From ESPN.

A three-team trade reportedly is in the works that would send outfielder Melky Cabrera from the New York Yankees to the Atlanta Braves.

The deal, an unnamed baseball official told the New York Times, also would send reliever Mike Gonzalez from the Pittsburgh Pirates to the Yankees, and first baseman Adam LaRoche from the Braves to the Pirates.


I know the Sox were interested in Gonzalez......... this might be a move to block the Sox from getting a new closer.


I really don't think it is a move to block Sox. They want to solidify the pen and probably make him the heir to Mariano. He caught the Yankees attention last year.


RobFilmMusic - 12/17/2006 at 08:33 PM

Here's a funny snippet from the Sportsguy's mailbag column:

quote:
Q: The Sox should just tell Manny he got traded to Boston. He won't know the difference.
--Mike H, Noxen, N.H.

SG: I love this idea. They could go all out with this: Call him up, tell him he's been traded to Boston, have him pack up all of his stuff, fly him in circles in the team jet for five hours, then drop him off in Cambridge and tell him he's on the West Coast. He might fall for it. By the time the season starts, it will be too late for him to complain. I really think this could work.



he's got a point



I was thinking abuot the lineup for a minute and i'm diggin it

SP
1. Schilling
2. Beckett
3. Papelbon
4. Matsuzaka
5. Wakefield / Lester

1. Youk / Crisp?
2. Lugo
3. Ortiz
4. Manny
5. Drew / Pena
6. Lowell
7. Varitek
8. Crisp / Youk?
9. Pedroia


looks good but there's still one gaping hole....... CLOSER


CanPeach - 12/17/2006 at 09:52 PM

Whenever I hear of the Yankees making a big trade, I remember the Seinfeld episode where George Steinbrenner comes to the Costanza household to inform George's parents that they think George is dead.

All Frank Costanza can say to George is "How could you trade Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps!"


cupofjo - 12/18/2006 at 03:35 AM

quote:
Whenever I hear of the Yankees making a big trade, I remember the Seinfeld episode where George Steinbrenner comes to the Costanza household to inform George's parents that they think George is dead.

All Frank Costanza can say to George is "How could you trade Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps!"





LOL


RobFilmMusic - 12/18/2006 at 04:37 AM

quote:
Whenever I hear of the Yankees making a big trade, I remember the Seinfeld episode where George Steinbrenner comes to the Costanza household to inform George's parents that they think George is dead.

All Frank Costanza can say to George is "How could you trade Jay Buhner for Ken Phelps!"





That is a classic episode


I love Seinfeld


cupofjo - 12/18/2006 at 12:00 PM

Red Sox may not sign J D Drew! They have concerns with his shoulder after his physical.
They are gettting second opinion.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2700531



Wouldnt that suck for him. Have all that guarenteed money then sign a bigger contract to have all taken away


gondicar - 12/18/2006 at 02:07 PM

quote:
Red Sox may not sign J D Drew! They have concerns with his shoulder after his physical.
They are gettting second opinion.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2700531



Wouldnt that suck for him. Have all that guarenteed money then sign a bigger contract to have all taken away




gondicar - 12/18/2006 at 06:26 PM

Very cool recap from behind the scenes of the Dice-K negotiations (including why the bid was $51,111,111.11, with all the 1's):

http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2006/12/17/wooing_of_ pitcher_was_wowing/

My fave part of the story:
There is also a spy-novel quality to the extraordinary lengths to which the Sox went to keep their quest secret. When Henry decided to send his plane to southern California last Monday, the Red Sox logo on the plane's tail was covered. Shipley, who lives in Florida and got on the plane in Boca Raton, picked up Lucchino and Epstein at Hanscom Field in Bedford. The flight plan showed the plane was going not to California but to Houston -- all the better to make snooping eyes believe they were headed for a meeting with the agents for Roger Clemens. And when they arrived at the Marriott Suites in Costa Mesa, they all checked in under assumed names -- the names of Shipley's high school mates back in Australia.


ThePeteMan - 12/19/2006 at 04:57 AM

GM Omar Minaya, Tony Bernazard, and John Ricco of the Mets are getting on the old Wilpon Express jet tomorrow AM to fly out to sunny LA and try to play a little hardball with Scott Boras and Barry Zito.

There are so many good reasons for Zito to sign with the Mets over the Rangers -- his old pitching coach is here, he'll be a media star with lots of big endorsements in NYC, he's a guitar-wielding, photograph-taking free spirit who would probably be more at home here than in Arlington, and most importantly, he'd be in a pitcher's park in the league with no DH and filled with batters who don't know him yet.... Good chance he lowers his ERA, ups his wins, and sees a fair amount of playoff action here, all of which puts him in better position for his final payday 6 years from now when he's only 34.

BUT The Giants want him too. And as much as getting out of the AL and not pitching in a hitter's park/convection oven like Arlington will help his career, Boras's clients usually follow the big bux. So we shall see.

Look for the Mets to either match Texas on the years but offer less money, or outbid Texas on the annual value but go 1 to 2 years less. GO GET 'EM OMAR!!!


cupofjo - 12/19/2006 at 12:06 PM

quote:
And look for Boras to push for the team that would give him the best commision. In other words, Zito will go where the most money is.


Unfortunately this rings true


cupofjo - 12/19/2006 at 12:09 PM

Looks like the Yankees reach an agreement with Igawa.

20 million for 5 years.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2701974


RobFilmMusic - 12/19/2006 at 05:11 PM

quote:
And look for Boras to push for the team that would give him the best commision. In other words, Zito will go where the most money is.


yup..... he probably already took a huge cut on the Matsuzaka deal


unfortunately that deal forced him to keep his Gulfstream 400 and not upgrade to a Gulfstreram 800, so I'm sure he's looking for Zito to repay all that back. Also, his wife sure has been giving him hell about not getting a new Benz SLK in a while

[Edited on 12/19/2006 by RobFilmMusic]


ozzypie - 12/19/2006 at 05:54 PM

quote:
And look for Boras to push for the team that would give him the best commision. In other words, Zito will go where the most money is.


Bet the house on it.


cupofjo - 12/20/2006 at 12:30 PM

Quiet on the baseball front. It looks like the threeway deal with Atlanta, Pittsburgh and Yankees has quieted down. That makes me happy.


gondicar - 12/20/2006 at 01:17 PM

Published reports say Mark Loretta, the Sox second baseman last season, is talking to the Yankees about playing first base.


RobFilmMusic - 12/20/2006 at 08:59 PM

quote:
quote:
Published reports say Mark Loretta, the Sox second baseman last season, is talking to the Yankees about playing first base.

For what team?


haha..... honestly i'm not too sad to see him go..... he was barely an above average player IMO. First base for the Yanks seems like an odd option, although he is steady on defense his range is a tad limited so he would probably fit on 1st. In terms of fitting into the lineup, i can't see him doing anything but #8 or #9 for the yanks.


ThePeteMan - 12/21/2006 at 12:34 AM

quote:
And look for Boras to push for the team that would give him the best commision. In other words, Zito will go where the most money is.


Otie, Beltran was a Boras guy and he clearly instructed Boras to take LESS money from the Yankees...

Of course, luckily for all that is good in the world, that didn't work out.


crossroad_blues - 12/21/2006 at 01:56 AM

Let's face it, quality pitching is hard to find. That's why the BoSox are willing to spend over $100 mill for an unproven commodity in D-Mas.


ThePeteMan - 12/21/2006 at 02:01 AM

Hey Otie,

I definitely don't think Zito is worth what he'll get -- I would peg him as a 3 in an ideal universe, and pay him accordingly. But look at the market for pitching, and look at the scarcity of pitchers good enough to post an ERA even below 4.50!

If Zito comes to Shea, his ERA likely will go down (NL batters, players who haven't seen him a lot, no DH, and a pitcher's park). He won't have to be "The Man," because the Mets have a deep staff full of decent old guys and promising young ones. He'll be an overpaid starter who will do just fine. He can either be our decent overpaid starter, or someone else's.

I'll take him ina heartbeat, but with no illusions.


ThePeteMan - 12/21/2006 at 05:11 AM

quote:
Agreed, Pete, except that he is coming from another pitchers park, so that is a wash. According to Bill James park indices, which rates how a park affects hitting, both Shea and McAfee rated about the same overall.

The Mets met with Jeff Suppan and his agent today. It's a sign of the time that an average pitcher lie Suppan will see big money. To me, he isn't much different than Trachsel, except that his games take less time which would impact beer sales.


Suppan's stuff didn't look average to Mets bats this October.

But overall, I agree with you on him. He'd be a lousy fit in NYC, apparently very earnest about his Evangelical values. I'm afraid we Shea faithful might turn his ears beet red in a Noo Yawk minute!


croky - 12/21/2006 at 03:27 PM

That's why I think the Phils getting Freddy Garcia was huge.
I don't think anybody saw that coming.


croky - 12/21/2006 at 07:56 PM

quote:
quote:
That's why I think the Phils getting Freddy Garcia was huge.
I don't think anybody saw that coming.



This good be a great pickup for the Phillies. I think this guy may have a Cy Young award somewhere down the road. It looks like he will have a good lineup backing him up. He has great control. the only negative I can see is that he gave up 58 home runs over the last two seasons. That may be a problem in that small Phillie ballpark, but there have been pitchers who gave up a lot of home runs and were still great pitchers.



He had a good quote in the paper saying that he's matured a lot
and doesn't let the homers bug him as much as earlier in his career.
He's become more of a pitcher than a thrower.
He's supposed to be a beast competition wise and he's playoff tested
and that's huge for their clubhouse.
They still need bullpen help and it's only a matter of time
before Gillick pulls the trigger on something.


croky - 12/21/2006 at 08:03 PM

quote:
Croky, do you think they will dump Burrell? They sure talk about it a lot.



At this point, no. If they would've landed Soriano definitely.
I'm actually glad Gillick didn't sign any of those big bats.
They all got way too much loot and I'm glad he showed restraint.
I haven't given up on Burrell, just yet. Supposedly, he's working
his ass off this winter and I'm hoping he'll get rid of all his nagging
injuries. He's gotta stop partying too.


cupofjo - 12/23/2006 at 11:53 PM



Yankees pay 26 million in luxury tax! Damn that is a lot of money!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2706672


cupofjo - 12/26/2006 at 03:18 AM

Arizona and Yankees are trying to work deal out to send Johnson back to Arizona!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2708203



RobFilmMusic - 12/26/2006 at 04:13 AM

quote:
Arizona and Yankees are trying to work deal out to send Johnson back to Arizona!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2708203





just read the article...... that would be ridiculous if the DBacks traded for him and then gave him an extension.... i think it's pretty clear Johnson is in the twilight of his career.


WharfRat - 12/26/2006 at 04:59 AM

quote:
Arizona and Yankees are trying to work deal out to send Johnson back to Arizona!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2708203








And yes I admit.. I was wrong


cupofjo - 12/26/2006 at 01:21 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Arizona and Yankees are trying to work deal out to send Johnson back to Arizona!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2708203





just read the article...... that would be ridiculous if the DBacks traded for him and then gave him an extension.... i think it's pretty clear Johnson is in the twilight of his career.



This makes no sense at all. The Yankees don't want to pay any of the Unit's salary, which is a common practice when you are trying to dump a guy. The D-Backs then want to sign him to an extension. If I was a D-Back fan, I might be a bit annoyed at this. If I was a Yankee fan I would think Santa had been good to my team.


HO! HO! HO!

I know it doesnt make any sense to us.

But he helped give the team some credibility and helped them win a World Series. He will put people in seats there because of that. Johnson and Schilling are like Ruth and Gehrig, Dimaggio and Mantle are to the Yankees

Reason for extension maybe to make sure he gets #300 in a Arizona uniform. Also to defer some of his money til after he retires?


CanPeach - 12/26/2006 at 03:39 PM

So the Yankees are talking seriously about trading Randy Johnson, after only 2 years?

He has a no-trade clause, so he would have to approve the move.

Hey, the Jays are looking for pitchers...but you can't have Vernon Wells, sorry Chuck & Rob


WharfRat - 12/26/2006 at 03:41 PM

quote:
So the Yankees are talking seriously about trading Randy Johnson, after only 2 years?

He has a no-trade clause, so he would have to approve the move.

Hey, the Jays are looking for pitchers...but you can't have Vernon Wells, sorry Chuck & Rob



Thats ok.. We will take Roy Halliday instead


CanPeach - 12/26/2006 at 03:48 PM

Deal or no Deal?

I say NO DEAL!

Sorry Chuck


WharfRat - 12/26/2006 at 03:53 PM

quote:
Deal or no Deal?

I say NO DEAL!

Sorry Chuck


Money talks


cupofjo - 12/27/2006 at 12:40 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
So the Yankees are talking seriously about trading Randy Johnson, after only 2 years?

He has a no-trade clause, so he would have to approve the move.

Hey, the Jays are looking for pitchers...but you can't have Vernon Wells, sorry Chuck & Rob



Thats ok.. We will take Roy Halliday instead



Drugs are bad, Wharfy. Please stop before you say some thing foolish.


LOL!


WharfRat - 12/27/2006 at 12:43 AM

Hey, I can dream right?


And it looks like the Unit might really be gone

wooohoooooo


cupofjo - 12/27/2006 at 12:33 PM

Alright I hope this doesnt mean the Yankees go after Zito! I really think he is overrated. Maybe if he gets back with Peterson (Mets) he might return to the old Zito. He hasnt been the same since Peterson left.

Now that said. I hope this opens the door to work out a trade for Dontrelle Willis. One can wish


RobFilmMusic - 12/27/2006 at 07:31 PM

if the D'Backs even just send the Yanks a bag of balls for Johnson then that is way too good of a deal for the Yanks. His ERA would go down in Arizona but his wins would decline as well. They have to get this deal done now if the Yanks intend on acquiring anyone else though. The only thing the $16 million would do for them in late Jan. would be saving them some luxury tax which i'm guessing would only be a small dent in it.

It's still kind of a strange deal. I would think the D'Back could go after another pitcher if they seriously have the prospects and cash to offer up.

That being said i think it's just purely a move for the D'Backs to put some more butts in the seats. They could care less what the ERA says as long as R. Johnson is on the scoreboard every 5 games.

[Edited on 12/27/2006 by RobFilmMusic]


gondicar - 12/27/2006 at 07:37 PM

quote:
That being said i think it's just purely a move for the D'Backs to put some more butts in the seats. They could care less what the ERA says as long as R. Johnson is on the scoreboard every 5 games.



Ding ding ding ding...we have a winner!


DanB - 12/27/2006 at 11:46 PM

Well at least the D-Backs are willing to spend some money unlike Time Warner with the Braves.
Somebody please buy the Braves.


piacere - 12/28/2006 at 01:17 AM

100 names. This oughta be good.

so long, Barry.


WharfRat - 12/28/2006 at 01:18 AM

quote:
100 names. This oughta be good.

so long, Barry.





Prolly add Sheff to that list as well

And uhh... Giambi

Though that could be all the Yanks need to shed that contact


piacere - 12/28/2006 at 01:25 AM

quote:
quote:
100 names. This oughta be good.

so long, Barry.





Prolly add Sheff to that list as well

And uhh... Giambi

Though that could be all the Yanks need to shed that contact


did anyone else see that on NBC's national news? MLB or Congress or somebody ( I was a bit preoccupied at the time ) has the names of 100 steroid users.


WharfRat - 12/28/2006 at 01:27 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
100 names. This oughta be good.

so long, Barry.





Prolly add Sheff to that list as well

And uhh... Giambi

Though that could be all the Yanks need to shed that contact


did anyone else see that on NBC's national news? MLB or Congress or somebody ( I was a bit preoccupied at the time ) has the names of 100 steroid users.


I didnt see any names, but we can assume some of the names that are on it..


piacere - 12/28/2006 at 01:28 AM

your sig. Is that Yogi's?


WharfRat - 12/28/2006 at 01:31 AM

quote:
your sig. Is that Yogi's?


Ya know it

That will prolly stay there till The Run


piacere - 12/28/2006 at 01:35 AM

quote:
quote:
your sig. Is that Yogi's?


Ya know it

That will prolly stay there till The Run



gondicar - 12/28/2006 at 02:23 AM

100 positive tests in 2003? Two years before that fiasco in front on Congress?? Holy cow...

Court: Feds Can Have Drug Testing Data

Updated 3:02 PM ET December 27, 2006

By DAVID KRAVETS and PAUL ELIAS

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - The names and urine samples of about 100 Major League Baseball players who tested positive three years ago can be used by federal investigators, a court ruled Wednesday _ a decision that could have implications for Barry Bonds.

The federal appeals court ruling could bolster the government's perjury case against Bonds if his name is among those who tested positive. The slugger has been the target of a perjury investigation since he testified before a 2004 grand jury that he didn't knowingly use illegal drugs.

Greg Anderson, Bonds' personal trainer, is currently in prison for refusing to testify in the perjury probe. Anderson previously was convicted of steroids distribution.

Investigators seized computer files containing the 2003 test results during raids in 2004 on three labs involved in the MLB testing program.

The unidentified samples had been collected as part of a MLB survey to gauge the prevalence of steroid use. The testing was anonymous under the terms of baseball's labor contract, but each player was assigned a code number to be matched with his name.

Michael Weiner, general counsel for the players' union, didn't immediately respond to a telephone call and e-mail seeking comment.


WharfRat - 12/28/2006 at 02:49 AM

Ok, but WHO are the 100?


WharfRat - 12/28/2006 at 02:52 AM

quote:
quote:
Ok, but WHO are the 100?



Start with 25 Yankees...


no.

Maybe a few Ex-Yanks.

Grimsley, Sheff..


WharfRat - 12/28/2006 at 02:52 AM

quote:
I'm going to guess that there aren't too many KC Royals on the list.



Maybe they aint getting paid enough


skypup - 12/28/2006 at 05:24 AM

This came in from Yankees.com
News Alert!

Igawa signs for five years

NEW YORK -- One day before their negotiating window was set to expire, the Yankees signed Japanese pitcher Kei Igawa to a five-year contract. Igawa, who features a 90-mph fastball and an above-average curveball, went 14-9 with a 2.97 ERA last season, striking out 194 batters to tie for Japan's Central League lead. It was the third time he has won the league's strikeout title, also doing so in 2002 (206 Ks) and 2004 (228).


cupofjo - 12/28/2006 at 12:56 PM

quote:
Ok, but WHO are the 100?



I see this just an attack on Barry Bonds. If he wasnt going for the HR record I bet this wouldnt be an issue. This is just going to make a bigger mess than it needs to be. MLB needs this to go away and this is not helping. Barry Bonds already screwed himself with the public and will probably get an asterik when he does break the record.

Professional sports in the USA is entertainment. They all have their problems with performance enhancing drugs or illicit drugs. MLB took 3 steps back because it looked the other way. They could do better but they are moving in the right direction now.

Instead of doing what the government does best(effs things up)! They should move forward and put drug testing system in all professional sports instead of attacking MLB. Make each sport put so much aside for it. I may not agree with it but I would accept that over what they are doing right now.

And for the record I do not like Barry Bonds. I didnt like him when he was with the Pirates. He is just an ass!


WharfRat - 12/28/2006 at 01:32 PM



http://www.optonline.net/Sports/Article/Feeds?CID=type%3Dxml%26channel%3D33 %26article%3D20639865


More Headlines Local Teams



Ex-Yankees Star to Have Brain Surgery
Thu Dec 28, 4:46 AM


NEW YORK - Former New York Yankees star Bobby Murcer was set to have surgery Thursday to remove a brain tumor, the Daily News reported.

The 60-year-old Murcer, now a Yankees broadcaster, was scheduled to undergo surgery in Houston. He had been having headaches and feeling a loss of energy lately, and the tumor was discovered following an MRI on Christmas Eve, the newspaper reported Thursday.

"I'm feeling OK and we're just going to have to see what this surgery will bring," Murcer told the Daily News by phone Wednesday night. "I'm hopeful that everything will turn out OK and I'm thankful to have so many friends who are rooting for me."

Murcer was to be treated at the MD Anderson Hospital in Houston, one of the top cancer facilities in the nation, the newspaper said.

Murcer played 17 seasons in the major leagues from 1965-83 and was a five-time All-Star and a Gold Glove-winning outfielder. In his career with the Yankees, San Francisco Giants and Chicago Cubs, he batted .277 with 252 home runs and 1,043 RBIs.

After his retirement, Murcer won three Emmy Awards for live sports coverage as the voice of the Yankees.



[Edited on 12/28/2006 by WharfRat]


cupofjo - 12/28/2006 at 01:34 PM

OH Man! This really stinks. I hope all goes well.


piacere - 12/28/2006 at 03:48 PM

bummer. Murcer's a good guy. I hope it goes well.


WharfRat - 12/28/2006 at 05:51 PM

quote:
Barry Zito signed with the Giants. 7 years, $126 million. That's right, $126,000,000.00 or $18 million per year. He ain't worth it.




WOW!!!!!!!!

No freaking way he is worth that.

Though his numbers could get better being in the NL.

I just dont think ANY pitcher is worth that.


RobFilmMusic - 12/28/2006 at 09:05 PM

quote:
quote:
Barry Zito signed with the Giants. 7 years, $126 million. That's right, $126,000,000.00 or $18 million per year. He ain't worth it.




WOW!!!!!!!!

No freaking way he is worth that.

Though his numbers could get better being in the NL.

I just dont think ANY pitcher is worth that.


yeah his numbers will go down paticularly in that cavernous park but i don't think they will go down THAT much. I can remember when the Sox were paying Pedro $17.5 million and i thought that was a lot.

the Giants have made it pretty clear this offseason they were going to spend. At first they were willing to take on Manny's contract and i thought they gave Bonds a little more than he deserved IMO.

I'm suprised the Mets didn't counter it with just as much but i think Zito wanted to stay in California


Haisija - 12/28/2006 at 09:09 PM

Are we really ready for "Kobe" hotdog prices ?


crossroad_blues - 12/29/2006 at 02:29 AM

quote:
quote:
Ok, but WHO are the 100?



I see this just an attack on Barry Bonds. If he wasnt going for the HR record I bet this wouldnt be an issue. This is just going to make a bigger mess than it needs to be. MLB needs this to go away and this is not helping. Barry Bonds already screwed himself with the public and will probably get an asterik when he does break the record.

Professional sports in the USA is entertainment. They all have their problems with performance enhancing drugs or illicit drugs. MLB took 3 steps back because it looked the other way. They could do better but they are moving in the right direction now.

Instead of doing what the government does best(effs things up)! They should move forward and put drug testing system in all professional sports instead of attacking MLB. Make each sport put so much aside for it. I may not agree with it but I would accept that over what they are doing right now.

And for the record I do not like Barry Bonds. I didnt like him when he was with the Pirates. He is just an ass!


Agreed. It is an 'attack' on Bonds*. That's who the Feds are investigating. Whether or not he lied under oath.

The Feds already have the names. They got 'em 2 years ago. They were investigating 10 players that were on the list that had ties to BALCO. MLB stupidly left on the rest of the names when they turned over the list. With the ruling the Feds can keep the rest of the names and now muscle the other 90 to see if any got their 'juice' from BALCO, bolstering their case that Bonds* was aware of the product as others were.

MLB may be 'moving forward' but it's at a snail's pace. Sports is entertainment, but the day MLB started moving into WWF territory, and allowed it to mushroom was a black day for the sport & only hurt it in the long run. Bud Selig should rot in Hell.

What gets me about the whole mess is that everyone from the owners to the sports writers to the fans knew. But, it was oh so entertaining. Now the sports writers and the fans are so santimonious about it & demand the sports be 'cleaned up'. Who among us wasn't cheering for Sosa & McGuirre back in the day? Now that a 'juiced up' Bonds* has surpassed the Babe & is zeroing in on one of MLB's most cherished records, everyone is upset. Rightfully so too; Bonds* cheated. So did Sosa. So did McGuirre. We all knew something was up. But we all looked the other way. It was oh so entertaining. So is the WWF. So is a trainwreck.

Now sports 'journalist' are running around, trying to justify looking the other way & Bonds* eventual induction into the Hall Of Shame because people like Gaylord Perry are in there, and, gee whiz, he admitted to cheating. Spitballs are illegal, you know. The difference that they overlook is that if Perry got caught, he was thrown out of the game. You can't throw Bonds* or the rest of the Immortal 100 out 'cause you can't catch them at anything. Umps aren't qualified to take urine samples. (Now that would be entertaining. "Ok, Giambi, I thing you're cheatin'. Pee in the bottle. You heard me. Drop them drawers! Now, Mister!". Hey, give me a break, it's Thursday.)

It goes to the credibility of the sport. Whether or not the playing field is 'level', whether or not the competition is 'above board'. Talent shouldn't be bought in a syringe.

Sorry, I'm rambling. I'll get off my soapbox, put my drink down & stop preaching now....


CanPeach - 12/29/2006 at 02:32 AM

otf, I gotta agree with you there...I knew this was coming after the Cubs signed Blue Jays "average" pitcher Ted Lilly to 10 mil per year

Zito is good...but come on, if he gets that much with those stats, imagine what the Jays ace Roy Halladay would get if he was a free agent right now

Since Zito won the Cy Young in 2002 with a 23-5 won lost record, here's what he's done:

2003: 14-12
2004: 11-11
2005: 14-13
2006: 16-10

I think SF is paying for a pitcher who can pitch a lot of games, and doesn't miss starts. But really, thats a lot of dough per throw

[Edited on 12/29/2006 by CanPeach]


RobFilmMusic - 12/29/2006 at 03:35 AM

quote:
otf, I gotta agree with you there...I knew this was coming after the Cubs signed Blue Jays "average" pitcher Ted Lilly to 10 mil per year

Zito is good...but come on, if he gets that much with those stats, imagine what the Jays ace Roy Halladay would get if he was a free agent right now

Since Zito won the Cy Young in 2002 with a 23-5 won lost record, here's what he's done:

2003: 14-12
2004: 11-11
2005: 14-13
2006: 16-10

I think SF is paying for a pitcher who can pitch a lot of games, and doesn't miss starts. But really, thats a lot of dough per throw

[Edited on 12/29/2006 by CanPeach]


Neil, I think the reason the Giants way overpaid was because there is no Halladay, Santana or Zambrano out there for bidding.

There's no way Zito gets that much money if one of the three guys listed above is out there, but if Halladay was out there I would expect somewhere in the Zito range for him simply because of his injury track record IMO.


WharfRat - 12/29/2006 at 05:22 AM

quote:
How about Johan Santana?


The whole freakin bank


cupofjo - 12/29/2006 at 12:46 PM

quote:
quote:
How about Johan Santana?


The whole freakin bank


Might as well give him part ownership of the team!!!


I am glad he is signed before Yankees trade Johnson


Can you hear the D-Train a comin'

I am wishing


WharfRat - 12/30/2006 at 02:47 AM

No More Florida Pitchers


cupofjo - 12/31/2006 at 01:41 PM

quote:
No More Florida Pitchers




cupofjo - 12/31/2006 at 01:42 PM

Aubrey Huff signing with Orioles. 3 years 20 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2714918


Sang - 1/1/2007 at 02:44 AM

as reported in The Onion......

SAN FRANCISCO—With the publication of a book detailing steroid use by San Francisco Giants superstar Barry Bonds, two San Francisco Chronicle reporters have corroborated the claims of Bonds' steroid abuse made by every single person who has watched or even loosely followed the game of baseball over the past five years.


cupofjo - 1/3/2007 at 12:04 PM

Keith Foulk going to Cleveland if he passes physical. I am guessing he will be set up man to Borowski? Maybe they plan on using him as a starter!?

Didn't Foulk say he wanted to start?

http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=forumdisplay&fid=116



WharfRat - 1/3/2007 at 02:56 PM

I would take Foulk over Borowski to close..


cupofjo - 1/3/2007 at 06:43 PM

My wife just called me a little while ago that Yankees trade R. Johnson to Arizona for 3 pitching prospects. I still dont see anything. Listening to WFAN right now.

Can it be


Can only hope it is true


WharfRat - 1/3/2007 at 06:52 PM

I just checked ESPN.

Nothing.

But lets hope it IS true


WharfRat - 1/3/2007 at 07:02 PM



http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16353080/from/RS.1


RobFilmMusic - 1/3/2007 at 09:18 PM

He hasn't been traded YET.....

sounds like they are haggling over the 16 million owed


RobFilmMusic - 1/3/2007 at 09:22 PM

Just read this today.

interesting move by the Sox to pick up Joel Piniero for 1 yr $4 million plus incentives.

Seems a tad high for a 7th starter but this is a weird pitching market.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2718865

[Edited on 1/3/2007 by RobFilmMusic]


WharfRat - 1/3/2007 at 09:27 PM

quote:
He hasn't been traded YET.....

sounds like they are haggling over the 16 million owed


Jeez, just pay the guy and let him lose already

useless.


cupofjo - 1/4/2007 at 04:00 AM

quote:
Just read this today.

interesting move by the Sox to pick up Joel Piniero for 1 yr $4 million plus incentives.

Seems a tad high for a 7th starter but this is a weird pitching market.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2718865

[Edited on 1/3/2007 by RobFilmMusic]



From that article he is going to be a middle reliever or try for the closer role.

One thing we have learned. Can never have to much pitching!


cupofjo - 1/4/2007 at 01:22 PM

Company that test Baseballs to see if they are modified says the baseball was juiced in 98! The year that McGwire and Sosa broke records. Like they needed any help!


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2719191


cupofjo - 1/4/2007 at 10:48 PM

OK! Its official R. Johnson traded to Arizona

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2720413

The FAN said a relief pitcher, two minor league pitchers and a minor league short stop.


WharfRat - 1/5/2007 at 12:07 AM

quote:
OK! Its official R. Johnson traded to Arizona

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2720413

The FAN said a relief pitcher, two minor league pitchers and a minor league short stop.



Yaaa hoooooooooooooo

They also signed Doug Mientkiewicz
Decent player, but that means one of two things.

With signing him, that makes Giambi full time DH ( a good thing)
But, that means that either Melky Cabrerra is going to be traded ( NOT good, IMHO)
Or that Bernie's time in NY is over


WharfRat - 1/5/2007 at 02:03 AM

He is better then then Giambi at 1st, no??

We dont need him to hit.. just catch the damn ball. Jason cant do that anymore.

Or am I way off on this...


WharfRat - 1/5/2007 at 02:25 AM

quote:
Why didn't they give the job to Phillips?


They should have.

He is a young kid that busts his ass every tme he goes out there..

I dont think they gave Doug much money tho..

Like I said, just needs to catch the bal, we have tons of "O"


WharfRat - 1/5/2007 at 02:25 AM

Especailly with E-Rod at 3rd


RobFilmMusic - 1/5/2007 at 03:16 AM

yeah Mienkietitkieviecidkiev catches the ball..............


then he freaking keeps it.




a$$wipe


WharfRat - 1/5/2007 at 03:19 AM

quote:
yeah Mienkietitkieviecidkiev catches the ball..............


then he freaking keeps it.




a$$wipe



LMFAO

As long as he catches it...


cupofjo - 1/5/2007 at 03:25 AM

quote:
quote:
OK! Its official R. Johnson traded to Arizona

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2720413

The FAN said a relief pitcher, two minor league pitchers and a minor league short stop.



Yaaa hoooooooooooooo

They also signed Doug Mientkiewicz
Decent player, but that means one of two things.

With signing him, that makes Giambi full time DH ( a good thing)
But, that means that either Melky Cabrerra is going to be traded ( NOT good, IMHO)
Or that Bernie's time in NY is over


I am telling you they are going to make a pitch for Dontrelle Willis!


RobFilmMusic - 1/5/2007 at 04:05 AM

quote:
quote:
yeah Mienkietitkieviecidkiev catches the ball..............


then he freaking keeps it.




a$$wipe



You won't have to worry about him catching the last out of the World Series this year unless he gets traded.



gondicar - 1/5/2007 at 04:08 AM

quote:
quote:
yeah Mienkietitkieviecidkiev catches the ball..............


then he freaking keeps it.




a$$wipe



You won't have to worry about him catching the last out of the World Series this year unless he gets traded.


LMFAO!


WharfRat - 1/6/2007 at 04:28 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
yeah Mienkietitkieviecidkiev catches the ball..............


then he freaking keeps it.




a$$wipe



You won't have to worry about him catching the last out of the World Series this year unless he gets traded.


LMFAO!


no.


crossroad_blues - 1/6/2007 at 04:39 AM

Some good news:

Former Yankees star and current broadcaster Bobby Murcer returned home to Oklahoma this week after having brain surgery in Houston last week. The Yankees said he has had no setbacks since the surgery.


WharfRat - 1/6/2007 at 04:54 AM

quote:
Some good news:

Former Yankees star and current broadcaster Bobby Murcer returned home to Oklahoma this week after having brain surgery in Houston last week. The Yankees said he has had no setbacks since the surgery.




Good news for a good man.


cupofjo - 1/6/2007 at 06:01 AM

quote:
quote:
Some good news:

Former Yankees star and current broadcaster Bobby Murcer returned home to Oklahoma this week after having brain surgery in Houston last week. The Yankees said he has had no setbacks since the surgery.




Good news for a good man.



TexGent - 1/8/2007 at 04:16 AM

I think Loretta is a great pickup for the Astros particularly for the price.

What say some of you that have had the chance to watch him more closely the last couple of seasons?


cupofjo - 1/8/2007 at 12:54 PM

Arizona and R. Johnson agree on 26 million for 2 years. Needs to pass Physical and this one is done

Yankees pay 2 million and get reliever Luis Vizcaino, minor league right-handers Ross Ohlendorf and Steven Jackson, and minor league shortstop Alberto Gonzalez.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2723531


gondicar - 1/8/2007 at 01:31 PM

quote:
Needs to pass Physical and this one is done



Hopefully they have a pretty low threshold for passing, considering all the back and knee problems he's had. Or maybe it will be just a "turn your head and cough" type of physical.


gondicar - 1/8/2007 at 01:34 PM

quote:
I think Loretta is a great pickup for the Astros particularly for the price.

What say some of you that have had the chance to watch him more closely the last couple of seasons?


He's solid. Nothing flashy, but he's solid defensively and swings a good bat.


WharfRat - 1/8/2007 at 02:01 PM

quote:
quote:
Needs to pass Physical and this one is done



Hopefully they have a pretty low threshold for passing, considering all the back and knee problems he's had. Or maybe it will be just a "turn your head and cough" type of physical.


Just make sure he has a pulse.


WharfRat - 1/8/2007 at 02:38 PM

Forgot the HOF announcement is tommorow

Congrats in advance to Ripken and Gwynn


Maybe this is the year for Donnie Baseball??



Nope

[Edited on 1/8/2007 by WharfRat]


TexGent - 1/8/2007 at 03:21 PM

quote:
Loretta is a good player, good bat, average to better than average glove depending on where you play him. I guess Houston is going to use him as a utility player, which at this point in his career is perfect. He will be a great fill in and if a starter goes down, he won't hurt the team.


The plan is to use him as a "super-utility" player. He turned down several other offers because he wanted (a) playing time and (b) to play for someone that had a chance to win this year.

Seems like the plan is to leave Burke in center all year (barring a trade acquisition) and give Loretta 140+ games at 2nd, 3rd and SS. They need the flexibility with Biggio's skills declining, Ensburg/Lamb a big question at 3rd and Everett struggling to hit his weight.

As for the 'stros having a chance to win this year there are still a lot of pieces of the puzzle that have to come together to make that happen.

quote:
Forgot the HOF announcement is tommorow

Congrats in advance to Ripken and Gwynn

Two true greats of our time.


ozzypie - 1/8/2007 at 06:23 PM

quote:

Maybe this is the year for Donnie Baseball??








You made a funny!


RobFilmMusic - 1/8/2007 at 07:55 PM

quote:
quote:
Loretta is a good player, good bat, average to better than average glove depending on where you play him. I guess Houston is going to use him as a utility player, which at this point in his career is perfect. He will be a great fill in and if a starter goes down, he won't hurt the team.


The plan is to use him as a "super-utility" player. He turned down several other offers because he wanted (a) playing time and (b) to play for someone that had a chance to win this year.

Seems like the plan is to leave Burke in center all year (barring a trade acquisition) and give Loretta 140+ games at 2nd, 3rd and SS. They need the flexibility with Biggio's skills declining, Ensburg/Lamb a big question at 3rd and Everett struggling to hit his weight.

As for the 'stros having a chance to win this year there are still a lot of pieces of the puzzle that have to come together to make that happen.

quote:
Forgot the HOF announcement is tommorow

Congrats in advance to Ripken and Gwynn

Two true greats of our time.


Loretta's range isn't fantastic...... I would expect to see him very little over at SS. They may use him at 1B too.


TexGent - 1/9/2007 at 05:21 AM

quote:
Loretta's range isn't fantastic...... I would expect to see him very little over at SS. They may use him at 1B too.

I tend to agree about SS. Everett may not hit much but he is a defensive gem.

I hope they are setting up a trade of Ensburg for a (#3?) pitcher and Loretta will play 3rd. Or maybe they are planning on letting Loretta play 2nd after Biggio gets #3000.

I hope they don't have to use him much at first because that means either Berkman is hurt or they are forced to move him (out of position) to the outfield.


cupofjo - 1/9/2007 at 12:08 PM

quote:


quote:
Forgot the HOF announcement is tommorow

Congrats in advance to Ripken and Gwynn

Two true greats of our time.




Hope Goose Goosage gets in.

Read a great article on espn yesterday (cant find it to post link) about the steroid issue. It said why guys like McGwire and Bonds should be in the HOF. He went on to say the people should vote for them even if he is uncomfortable with voting them in but will.

He said they are the best players of their era. He says we know they did it! They were caught. He said how do we know more didnt juice. You cant say who is guilty and not guilty because you think they did or didnt. He went on to say plenty of people were juicing but weren't caught.

I will try to find the link and post it. I dont do it justice.


cupofjo - 1/9/2007 at 12:12 PM

Here it is. It is called Uncomfortable vote for McGwire.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof07/columns/story?columnist=stark_jayson&am p;id=2724114


gondicar - 1/9/2007 at 09:41 PM

Orioles shortstop Cal Ripken Jr. (98.5 percent of the vote) and Padres outfielder Tony Gwynn have been elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame, it was announced today. Controversial Cardinals slugger Mark McGwire and Red Sox great Jim Rice each fell short. Rice received 63.5 percent of the vote (75 percent is needed for induction).

Sooooo, how do we find out exactly which voters left Ripken off their ballots? They should be stripped of their voting rights. Un-effing-believable.


crossroad_blues - 1/10/2007 at 01:02 AM

quote:
Orioles shortstop Cal Ripken Jr. (98.5 percent of the vote) and Padres outfielder Tony Gwynn have been elected into the Baseball Hall of Fame, it was announced today. Controversial Cardinals slugger Mark McGwire and Red Sox great Jim Rice each fell short. Rice received 63.5 percent of the vote (75 percent is needed for induction).

Sooooo, how do we find out exactly which voters left Ripken off their ballots? They should be stripped of their voting rights. Un-effing-believable.


One of the voters was a jerk by the name of Paul Ladewski, a columnist for The Daily Southtown (whatever that is; obviously don't need credentials to vote, just write for your student newspaper ) who claimed he turned in a blank ballot because he questions anyone that played (plays) during the steriod era. This makes no ''effin' sense. If he felt that way he shoulda just declined to vote, or just vote for guys like Rice & Mattingly. One dipsh!t identified, 7 to go. There was one other blank ballot submitted also.

Ripken & Gwynn are two of the classiest guys to put on the uniform. Played their whole careers with just one team. A rarity these days, even during their day. Nice to know some of the good guys finish first.

BTW, McGwire got 128 votes out of 545 or 23.5, so there is some sanity among most voters. Wonder how long it lasts?

[Edited on 1/10/2007 by crossroad_blues]


RobFilmMusic - 1/10/2007 at 02:37 AM

Ok so this is from ESPN insider about Johan Santana....... the guy is playing ball for 12 million this season

interesting read on the twins situation though:

quote:
Pitch-22
Jan 9 - The Twins' chances of retaining Johan Santana when he becomes eligible for free agency following the 2008 season are bleak because of financial reasons, and trading him might not be easy because of a no-trade clause in his contract, the St. Paul Pioneer Press reports.

Being among the top three vote getters for the 2006 Cy Young Award triggered a no-trade provision for Santana for 2007. Had he not been among the top three, Santana had the right, by contract, to choose 12 teams to which he could be traded. Now, Santana cannot be traded to any team in 2007 without his approval.

His price tag could reach $20 million a year on the open market after the 2008 season. The Twins probably wouldn't want to wait until 2008 to trade him, though, if they determined they wouldn't be able to afford him after that season. By waiting, Santana's trade value could diminish.

Santana, 27, is signed for $12 million this year and $13.25 in 2008.


WharfRat - 1/10/2007 at 05:42 AM

quote:
Sooooo, how do we find out exactly which voters left Ripken off their ballots? They should be stripped of their voting rights. Un-effing-believable.


Unreal. And who didnt vote for Gwynn??

I do see that Goose got a little bit closer, a little bit every year.

Maybe next year is the year


cupofjo - 1/10/2007 at 01:04 PM

Wow! How can you leave off those two! I can understand the blank sheet for a statement but you could have put those two on there.

I wonder where Santana would like to pitch? You know they are going to try and trade him after this year. Maybe sooner if they dont contend. HMM! Maybe the Yankees are stocking up to make a play for Santana

I know you would like that trade Chuck!


cupofjo - 1/10/2007 at 01:04 PM

quote:
quote:
Sooooo, how do we find out exactly which voters left Ripken off their ballots? They should be stripped of their voting rights. Un-effing-believable.


Unreal. And who didnt vote for Gwynn??

I do see that Goose got a little bit closer, a little bit every year.

Maybe next year is the year




ozzypie - 1/10/2007 at 01:23 PM

quote:
Why do Yankee fans always assume that when a big name player becomes available that 1.) The Yankees are going to get him

and

2.) The guy wants to be a Yankee?



...because big name players make the most money and the Yankees have the most money?

Whether or not the player 'wants' to be a Yankee is usually negated by the fact that the player wants the most money.

At this point the player and/or agent will then go on to profess that it's 'not about the money' which confirms that it is indeed about the money.


WharfRat - 1/10/2007 at 03:23 PM

quote:
Why do Yankee fans always assume that when a big name player becomes available that 1.) The Yankees are going to get him

and

2.) The guy wants to be a Yankee?


Ain't no harm in asking about a player

I am happy with the team as is. They have acquired a lot of young talent this off season.
I just hope they give them a chance to perform.


TexGent - 1/10/2007 at 04:43 PM

quote:
I do see that Goose got a little bit closer, a little bit every year.

Maybe next year is the year

One can only hope so.


ThePeteMan - 1/10/2007 at 05:15 PM

On the subject of voting percentages, I don't think it's any grave injustice that a lifetime .276 hitter who never won a World Series had a handful of No votes...especially when you look at some other HOF percentages over the years:

CAL RIPKEN 98.53%
BABE RUTH 95.13%
WILLIE MAYS 94.68%
TED WILLIAMS 93.38%
JOE DIMAGGIO 88.84%
WARREN SPAHN 82.89%

I mean... who exactly was unconvinced by the Babe's credentials? Or the 24-year career of the greatest lefty pitcher ever? Or Joe D or the last man to hit .400? It's mind-boggling to imagine what went through the heads of the a-holes who took a pass on these great players.

Unfortunately, it's easier to guess what motivated the 22.50% of the sportswriters who voted AGAINST Jackie Robinson getting in.


[Edited on 1/10/2007 by ThePeteMan]


RobFilmMusic - 1/10/2007 at 08:56 PM

quote:
Wow! How can you leave off those two! I can understand the blank sheet for a statement but you could have put those two on there.

I wonder where Santana would like to pitch? You know they are going to try and trade him after this year. Maybe sooner if they dont contend. HMM! Maybe the Yankees are stocking up to make a play for Santana

I know you would like that trade Chuck!


Come on Rob......... a lefty in the new Yankee stadium? I don't know..... something tells me it wouldn't work.


WharfRat - 1/11/2007 at 02:21 AM

quote:
quote:
Wow! How can you leave off those two! I can understand the blank sheet for a statement but you could have put those two on there.

I wonder where Santana would like to pitch? You know they are going to try and trade him after this year. Maybe sooner if they dont contend. HMM! Maybe the Yankees are stocking up to make a play for Santana

I know you would like that trade Chuck!


Come on Rob......... a lefty in the new Yankee stadium? I don't know..... something tells me it wouldn't work.


Sure, bring THAT up


RobFilmMusic - 1/11/2007 at 03:55 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Wow! How can you leave off those two! I can understand the blank sheet for a statement but you could have put those two on there.

I wonder where Santana would like to pitch? You know they are going to try and trade him after this year. Maybe sooner if they dont contend. HMM! Maybe the Yankees are stocking up to make a play for Santana

I know you would like that trade Chuck!


Come on Rob......... a lefty in the new Yankee stadium? I don't know..... something tells me it wouldn't work.


Sure, bring THAT up


I'm suprised you guys are going to miss something so much that resembles a toilet seat from above.


WharfRat - 1/11/2007 at 10:01 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Wow! How can you leave off those two! I can understand the blank sheet for a statement but you could have put those two on there.

I wonder where Santana would like to pitch? You know they are going to try and trade him after this year. Maybe sooner if they dont contend. HMM! Maybe the Yankees are stocking up to make a play for Santana

I know you would like that trade Chuck!


Come on Rob......... a lefty in the new Yankee stadium? I don't know..... something tells me it wouldn't work.


Sure, bring THAT up


I'm suprised you guys are going to miss something so much that resembles a toilet seat from above.



WharfRat - 1/11/2007 at 10:02 AM

This should come as no suprise.....'

http://www.optonline.net/Sports/Article/Feeds?CID=type%3Dxml%26channel%3D33 %26article%3D20781481

What as ass...


cupofjo - 1/11/2007 at 12:58 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Wow! How can you leave off those two! I can understand the blank sheet for a statement but you could have put those two on there.

I wonder where Santana would like to pitch? You know they are going to try and trade him after this year. Maybe sooner if they dont contend. HMM! Maybe the Yankees are stocking up to make a play for Santana

I know you would like that trade Chuck!


Come on Rob......... a lefty in the new Yankee stadium? I don't know..... something tells me it wouldn't work.


Sure, bring THAT up


I'm suprised you guys are going to miss something so much that resembles a toilet seat from above.






LMAO!


cupofjo - 1/11/2007 at 01:16 PM

quote:
Why do Yankee fans always assume that when a big name player becomes available that 1.) The Yankees are going to get him


and

2.) The guy wants to be a Yankee?



Old Time Fan I know you are sick of us Yankee fans but I am really a baseball fan. I can be a little over the top but never obnoxious. I never assume anything anymore! I have made an ass out of myself to many times See my original post below.


quote:


I wonder where Santana would like to pitch? You know they are going to try and trade him after this year. Maybe sooner if they dont contend. HMM! Maybe the Yankees are stocking up to make a play for Santana








cupofjo - 1/11/2007 at 01:18 PM

quote:
quote:
This should come as no suprise.....'

http://www.optonline.net/Sports/Article/Feeds?CID=type%3Dxml%26channel%3D33 %26article%3D20781481

What as ass...



I love the way he blames it on a teammate. Class guy!



What an idiot!


gondicar - 1/11/2007 at 02:34 PM

quote:
On the subject of voting percentages, I don't think it's any grave injustice that a lifetime .276 hitter who never won a World Series had a handful of No votes...especially when you look at some other HOF percentages over the years:

CAL RIPKEN 98.53%
BABE RUTH 95.13%
WILLIE MAYS 94.68%
TED WILLIAMS 93.38%
JOE DIMAGGIO 88.84%
WARREN SPAHN 82.89%

I mean... who exactly was unconvinced by the Babe's credentials? Or the 24-year career of the greatest lefty pitcher ever? Or Joe D or the last man to hit .400? It's mind-boggling to imagine what went through the heads of the a-holes who took a pass on these great players.

Unfortunately, it's easier to guess what motivated the 22.50% of the sportswriters who voted AGAINST Jackie Robinson getting in.


[Edited on 1/10/2007 by ThePeteMan]


2,632 CONSECUTIVE GAMES

That alone should be enough to get every vote, regardless of past vote totals.

Couple that with his career stats:

.276 BA
.447 Slugging
3,184 hits (14th all time)
1,695 RBI (20th all time)
431 HR (37th all time)
1,078 Extra Base Hits (17th all time)
5,168 Total Bases (13th all time)
.977 Fielding Percentage
Rookie of the Year ('82)
8 Silver Slugger awards
2 AL MVP awards ('83 & '91)
2 Gold Glove Awards ('91 & '92)
MLB Player of the Year ('91)
19-time All Star (MVP in 2001)

As for not winning a WS...you must have just forgot that his team DID win it in 1983, same year he won his first MVP (Orioles beat the Phillies 4 games to 1). In fact in 6 post season series his teams won 4 of them (including 1 WS as noted) and he had a nice .336 BA.

Soooo, who out there with the honor an HoF vote could possibly remain unconvinced that this guy is hall-worthy?? Besides those self-serving a$$heads who turned in blank ballots of course...







ThePeteMan - 1/11/2007 at 04:14 PM

quote:
quote:
On the subject of voting percentages, I don't think it's any grave injustice that a lifetime .276 hitter who never won a World Series had a handful of No votes...especially when you look at some other HOF percentages over the years:

CAL RIPKEN 98.53%
BABE RUTH 95.13%
WILLIE MAYS 94.68%
TED WILLIAMS 93.38%
JOE DIMAGGIO 88.84%
WARREN SPAHN 82.89%

I mean... who exactly was unconvinced by the Babe's credentials? Or the 24-year career of the greatest lefty pitcher ever? Or Joe D or the last man to hit .400? It's mind-boggling to imagine what went through the heads of the a-holes who took a pass on these great players.

Unfortunately, it's easier to guess what motivated the 22.50% of the sportswriters who voted AGAINST Jackie Robinson getting in.


[Edited on 1/10/2007 by ThePeteMan]


2,632 CONSECUTIVE GAMES

That alone should be enough to get every vote, regardless of past vote totals.

Couple that with his career stats:

.276 BA
.447 Slugging
3,184 hits (14th all time)
1,695 RBI (20th all time)
431 HR (37th all time)
1,078 Extra Base Hits (17th all time)
5,168 Total Bases (13th all time)
.977 Fielding Percentage
Rookie of the Year ('82)
8 Silver Slugger awards
2 AL MVP awards ('83 & '91)
2 Gold Glove Awards ('91 & '92)
MLB Player of the Year ('91)
19-time All Star (MVP in 2001)

As for not winning a WS...you must have just forgot that his team DID win it in 1983, same year he won his first MVP (Orioles beat the Phillies 4 games to 1). In fact in 6 post season series his teams won 4 of them (including 1 WS as noted) and he had a nice .336 BA.

Soooo, who out there with the honor an HoF vote could possibly remain unconvinced that this guy is hall-worthy?? Besides those self-serving a$$heads who turned in blank ballots of course...




Scott, you totally missed the point of my post -- although I do need to check my head, I totally speced the '83 World Series, my bad. But my point was, look at the guys I mentioned and look at their vote totals. It's ABSURD to imagine that Babe Ruth and Willie Mays -- IMO the 2 best overall ballplayers in history -- and Jackie Robinson, by far the most IMPORTANT ballplayer of all time, not to metion the ridiculously amazing pitcher Warren Spahn, all got fewer than 100% of the vote... I wasn't debating thwat Ripken belongs in the Hall, jsut trying to put it in perspective. Every player I mentioned is, IMO, a greater all-time baseball player than Cal Ripken (as is Tom Seaver, who still has the highest percentage of Yes votes for the Hall ever )

I mean, I was pointing out that greater injustices exist in Hall of Fame voting history, and that it's really kind of not that big a deal that Ripken didn't get a "perfect score."

And BTW, his stats are nice and all, but I'm assuming that you'd draft Joe Dimaggio, Warren Spahn, or Jackie Robinson ahead of Cal in fantasy GM land, wouldn't you? And they all got BELOW 90 PERCENT!!!


ThePeteMan - 1/11/2007 at 04:20 PM

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[As for not winning a WS...you must have just forgot that his team DID win it in 1983, same year he won his first MVP (Orioles beat the Phillies 4 games to 1). In fact in 6 post season series his teams won 4 of them (including 1 WS as noted) and he had a nice .336 BA.



Shoulda won 5 of them, too, if not for Jeffrey Maier...

[Edited on 1/11/2007 by ThePeteMan]


RobFilmMusic - 1/11/2007 at 04:34 PM

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This should come as no suprise.....'

http://www.optonline.net/Sports/Article/Feeds?CID=type%3Dxml%26channel%3D33 %26article%3D20781481

What as ass...


somebody take him out of baseball........... please.


gondicar - 1/11/2007 at 05:39 PM

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On the subject of voting percentages, I don't think it's any grave injustice that a lifetime .276 hitter who never won a World Series had a handful of No votes...especially when you look at some other HOF percentages over the years:

CAL RIPKEN 98.53%
BABE RUTH 95.13%
WILLIE MAYS 94.68%
TED WILLIAMS 93.38%
JOE DIMAGGIO 88.84%
WARREN SPAHN 82.89%

I mean... who exactly was unconvinced by the Babe's credentials? Or the 24-year career of the greatest lefty pitcher ever? Or Joe D or the last man to hit .400? It's mind-boggling to imagine what went through the heads of the a-holes who took a pass on these great players.

Unfortunately, it's easier to guess what motivated the 22.50% of the sportswriters who voted AGAINST Jackie Robinson getting in.


[Edited on 1/10/2007 by ThePeteMan]


2,632 CONSECUTIVE GAMES

That alone should be enough to get every vote, regardless of past vote totals.

Couple that with his career stats:

.276 BA
.447 Slugging
3,184 hits (14th all time)
1,695 RBI (20th all time)
431 HR (37th all time)
1,078 Extra Base Hits (17th all time)
5,168 Total Bases (13th all time)
.977 Fielding Percentage
Rookie of the Year ('82)
8 Silver Slugger awards
2 AL MVP awards ('83 & '91)
2 Gold Glove Awards ('91 & '92)
MLB Player of the Year ('91)
19-time All Star (MVP in 2001)

As for not winning a WS...you must have just forgot that his team DID win it in 1983, same year he won his first MVP (Orioles beat the Phillies 4 games to 1). In fact in 6 post season series his teams won 4 of them (including 1 WS as noted) and he had a nice .336 BA.

Soooo, who out there with the honor an HoF vote could possibly remain unconvinced that this guy is hall-worthy?? Besides those self-serving a$$heads who turned in blank ballots of course...




Scott, you totally missed the point of my post -- although I do need to check my head, I totally speced the '83 World Series, my bad. But my point was, look at the guys I mentioned and look at their vote totals. It's ABSURD to imagine that Babe Ruth and Willie Mays -- IMO the 2 best overall ballplayers in history -- and Jackie Robinson, by far the most IMPORTANT ballplayer of all time, not to metion the ridiculously amazing pitcher Warren Spahn, all got fewer than 100% of the vote... I wasn't debating thwat Ripken belongs in the Hall, jsut trying to put it in perspective. Every player I mentioned is, IMO, a greater all-time baseball player than Cal Ripken (as is Tom Seaver, who still has the highest percentage of Yes votes for the Hall ever )

I mean, I was pointing out that greater injustices exist in Hall of Fame voting history, and that it's really kind of not that big a deal that Ripken didn't get a "perfect score."

And BTW, his stats are nice and all, but I'm assuming that you'd draft Joe Dimaggio, Warren Spahn, or Jackie Robinson ahead of Cal in fantasy GM land, wouldn't you? And they all got BELOW 90 PERCENT!!!


Point taken. I actually understood your point before, but I think we are just making two different points. In the historical context, I would agree that if the legends you mentioned did not get 100%, why should we expect that Ripken would. Not knowing when those players were inducted, my guess it they were each inducted at least 30+ years ago. For the most part, it is a dfferent set of voters now. Someone might have not voted for Ruth because he was too self-indulgent i.e. an overweight beer drinker (not that there is anything wrong with that). Some people didn't vote for Williams because he was a jerk to the media in his playing days (Rice may be suffering from some of that now). Are those valid reasons not to vote for someone who so obvisouly belongs there? No, IMO, and I would have criticized those voters for not voting for these players like I am criticizing today's voters for holding back on Ripken.

At the end of the day I guess it doesn't really matter, they were all voted in by a wide margin. That said, it still blows my mind that some voters, for whatever reason, felt like Ripken (and Ruth, Mays, Williams, DiMaggio, Spahn) did not deserve their HoF vote.


gondicar - 1/11/2007 at 05:49 PM

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I have heard of writers who won't vote for a player in his first year because they don't believe that anyone should get ijn unanimously because Ruth and Cobb didn't get 100% of the vote. That's crap. That's a couple of writers creating their own standards. They should have their voting privelige taken from them.


DING DNG DING DING....we have a winner!!


ozzypie - 1/11/2007 at 07:18 PM

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I have heard of writers who won't vote for a player in his first year because they don't believe that anyone should get ijn unanimously because Ruth and Cobb didn't get 100% of the vote. That's crap. That's a couple of writers creating their own standards. They should have their voting privelige taken from them.


DING DNG DING DING....we have a winner!!



So...what exactly are the standards and where are they written? This is the USA right? Ya know, freedom of speech and expression yadda yadda yadda....

Just because a writer doesn't vote for a player who we feel is an obvious choice doesn't automatically make the vote wrong. Alot of well qualified players were not voted for, for reasons that had nothing to do with them. On the surface this may seem wrong, but in reality is it?

Sure the guy who doesn't vote for someone, because someone else didn't get in, or get in as quickly as they thought he should, would appear wrong. What about the guy who doesn't vote for anyone this year because he's not sure which players may have used steroids during this era?

Tony Gwynn hardly looks like he would have, but what about Cal? Endurance is one of the greatest reason's players take steroids, it's isn't just about the increased strength. No more dog days of August with 'roids. I doubt Cal took them, but who really knows?

What I do know is, is with the millions of dollars at stake for almost every player in the game today, I don't trust ANY of them. Sosa? Bonds? Palmeiro? McGwire?

Liar-liar-liar-liar!!!

It's a completely sad state of affairs when Jason Giambi and Jose Canseco look like the more 'trustworthy' players. If a voter wants to leave his ballot blank in protest of what has been a baseball atrocity, more power to him!


ThePeteMan - 1/11/2007 at 07:23 PM

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I have heard of writers who won't vote for a player in his first year because they don't believe that anyone should get ijn unanimously because Ruth and Cobb didn't get 100% of the vote. That's crap. That's a couple of writers creating their own standards. They should have their voting privelige taken from them.


DING DNG DING DING....we have a winner!!



So...what exactly are the standards and where are they written? This is the USA right? Ya know, freedom of speech and expression yadda yadda yadda....

Just because a writer doesn't vote for a player who we feel is an obvious choice doesn't automatically make the vote wrong. Alot of well qualified players were not voted for, for reasons that had nothing to do with them. On the surface this may seem wrong, but in reality is it?

Sure the guy who doesn't vote for someone, because someone else didn't get in, or get in as quickly as they thought he should, would appear wrong. What about the guy who doesn't vote for anyone this year because he's not sure which players may have used steroids during this era?

Tony Gwynn hardly looks like he would have, but what about Cal? Endurance is one of the greatest reason's players take steroids, it's isn't just about the increased strength. No more dog days of August with 'roids. I doubt Cal took them, but who really knows?

What I do know is, is with the millions of dollars at stake for almost every player in the game today, I don't trust ANY of them. Sosa? Bonds? Palmeiro? McGwire?

Liar-liar-liar-liar!!!

It's a completely sad state of affairs when Jason Giambi and Jose Canseco look like the more 'trustworthy' players. If a voter wants to leave his ballot blank in protest of what has been a baseball atrocity, more power to him!


Ozzie, I love ya, but those are some wild mental gymnastics! I've re-read yr post 3 times and still cannot figure out how we got from point A (that the writers have a right to vote as they wish) to point Z (that anybody might be guilty of steroids, so screw 'em!

I'm just glad Tom Terriffic is still #1!


ozzypie - 1/11/2007 at 07:40 PM

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I have heard of writers who won't vote for a player in his first year because they don't believe that anyone should get ijn unanimously because Ruth and Cobb didn't get 100% of the vote. That's crap. That's a couple of writers creating their own standards. They should have their voting privelige taken from them.


DING DNG DING DING....we have a winner!!



So...what exactly are the standards and where are they written? This is the USA right? Ya know, freedom of speech and expression yadda yadda yadda....

Just because a writer doesn't vote for a player who we feel is an obvious choice doesn't automatically make the vote wrong. Alot of well qualified players were not voted for, for reasons that had nothing to do with them. On the surface this may seem wrong, but in reality is it?

Sure the guy who doesn't vote for someone, because someone else didn't get in, or get in as quickly as they thought he should, would appear wrong. What about the guy who doesn't vote for anyone this year because he's not sure which players may have used steroids during this era?

Tony Gwynn hardly looks like he would have, but what about Cal? Endurance is one of the greatest reason's players take steroids, it's isn't just about the increased strength. No more dog days of August with 'roids. I doubt Cal took them, but who really knows?

What I do know is, is with the millions of dollars at stake for almost every player in the game today, I don't trust ANY of them. Sosa? Bonds? Palmeiro? McGwire?

Liar-liar-liar-liar!!!

It's a completely sad state of affairs when Jason Giambi and Jose Canseco look like the more 'trustworthy' players. If a voter wants to leave his ballot blank in protest of what has been a baseball atrocity, more power to him!


Ozzie, I love ya, but those are some wild mental gymnastics! I've re-read yr post 3 times and still cannot figure out how we got from point A (that the writers have a right to vote as they wish) to point Z (that anybody might be guilty of steroids, so screw 'em!

I'm just glad Tom Terriffic is still #1!


Sorry Pete, but I still get a little too excited about the steroid issue (even when I bring it up myself).

My point is that some of those who chose not to vote for an 'obvious' choice might have somewhat valid reasons in doing so.


gondicar - 1/11/2007 at 07:40 PM

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Just because a writer doesn't vote for a player who we feel is an obvious choice doesn't automatically make the vote wrong.


Yes, as a matter of fact it does.









ozzypie - 1/11/2007 at 07:45 PM

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Just because a writer doesn't vote for a player who we feel is an obvious choice doesn't automatically make the vote wrong.


Yes, as a matter of fact it does.

Obviously, this is why WE do the voting!










gondicar - 1/11/2007 at 08:04 PM

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Just because a writer doesn't vote for a player who we feel is an obvious choice doesn't automatically make the vote wrong.


Yes, as a matter of fact it does.

Obviously, this is why WE do the voting!












Hey, no one ever complains about the All Star team voting, right?


crossroad_blues - 1/12/2007 at 01:31 AM

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Tony Gwynn hardly looks like he would have, but what about Cal? Endurance is one of the greatest reason's players take steroids, it's isn't just about the increased strength. No more dog days of August with 'roids. I doubt Cal took them, but who really knows?



Well, I believe Cal.

From an article by Thomas Boswell, member of the BBWAA

"Now we realize that all those years when it never crossed Cal's mind to skip even a single game, something else never crossed his mind either -- cheating. Now, his 431 home runs look larger as the totals of others seem smaller. And we know why Cal never hit a ball 475 feet in his life. "I don't think my numbers are deflated because some other numbers may be inflated," Ripken told me last week.

On an occasion when he was universally contrasted with Too Big Mac and Balco Barry, Ripken tried to make one point perfectly clear -- in his mind, at least, virtue had nothing to do with it. "To me there was no fork in the road. There was no choice. Those things scare me to death," Ripken said last week when asked about playing clean.

Lest he get too much credit for mere honesty, he adds: "I never had the options. The Orioles were thought of as a bunch of goody-two-shoes. After those guys in Kansas City had [cocaine] problems, our team voluntarily agreed to have drug testing. Eddie [Murray] said, 'Just go along with it.'

"When I came into the big leagues [in 1982, his first full season], the locker room had ashtrays, spittoons and candy bars," adds Ripken, chuckling at a lifestyle little changed since the days of the Babe. "Then the blenders for the protein mixes replaced them. Maybe I had the old-school naive view. People think I had this nutritional regimen. Yeah, my regimen was the four food groups."

full article here... http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/01/09/AR200701090 1724.html


TexGent - 1/12/2007 at 03:26 AM

Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol

And in reply to another post, I tend to complain about the All Star voting every year, especially since the fans got a voice in it.

[Edited on 1/12/2007 by TexGent]

[Edited on 1/12/2007 by TexGent]


cupofjo - 1/12/2007 at 01:01 PM

I think both voting for HOF and All Star is flawed.

As long as you have people voting who do not follow the guide lines there is going to be controversy.

Stated earlier some writers will not vote person in first year. That is a crock! A player snubs the press so they dont vote him in(Jim Rice)! That is a crock too!

All Star voting with the fans. A lot of people who should get in dont. It is always the most popular. Most of the most popular do deserve it. But once in awhile a person who has an outstanding year doesnt make it because he is not popular.



[Edited on 1/12/2007 by cupofjo]


WharfRat - 1/12/2007 at 01:34 PM

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Shoulda won 5 of them, too, if not for Jeffrey Maier...



ThePeteMan - 1/12/2007 at 02:49 PM



One championship that should never have counted!


ozzypie - 1/12/2007 at 03:23 PM

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I have heard of writers who won't vote for a player in his first year because they don't believe that anyone should get ijn unanimously because Ruth and Cobb didn't get 100% of the vote. That's crap. That's a couple of writers creating their own standards. They should have their voting privelige taken from them.


DING DNG DING DING....we have a winner!!



So...what exactly are the standards and where are they written? This is the USA right? Ya know, freedom of speech and expression yadda yadda yadda....

Just because a writer doesn't vote for a player who we feel is an obvious choice doesn't automatically make the vote wrong. Alot of well qualified players were not voted for, for reasons that had nothing to do with them. On the surface this may seem wrong, but in reality is it?

Sure the guy who doesn't vote for someone, because someone else didn't get in, or get in as quickly as they thought he should, would appear wrong. What about the guy who doesn't vote for anyone this year because he's not sure which players may have used steroids during this era?

Tony Gwynn hardly looks like he would have, but what about Cal? Endurance is one of the greatest reason's players take steroids, it's isn't just about the increased strength. No more dog days of August with 'roids. I doubt Cal took them, but who really knows?

What I do know is, is with the millions of dollars at stake for almost every player in the game today, I don't trust ANY of them. Sosa? Bonds? Palmeiro? McGwire?

Liar-liar-liar-liar!!!

It's a completely sad state of affairs when Jason Giambi and Jose Canseco look like the more 'trustworthy' players. If a voter wants to leave his ballot blank in protest of what has been a baseball atrocity, more power to him!


Ozzie, I love ya, but those are some wild mental gymnastics! I've re-read yr post 3 times and still cannot figure out how we got from point A (that the writers have a right to vote as they wish) to point Z (that anybody might be guilty of steroids, so screw 'em!

I'm just glad Tom Terriffic is still #1!


Sorry Pete, but I still get a little too excited about the steroid issue (even when I bring it up myself).

My point is that some of those who chose not to vote for an 'obvious' choice might have somewhat valid reasons in doing so.


Ozzie, some of these writers have passed over every player in their first year of eligibility. And exactly which player got better in his second or third or fifteenth year of eligibility?


I'm not disputing that, and I agree that's a ridiculous reason not to vote for a qualified player.

I think most of the 'reasoning' behind seemingly qualified players not be voted for is ridiculous, but at the same time I do think there are a few valid reasons for voters not voting for qualified players as well as turning in blank ballots.

Most of these have to do with the steroid issue which is a complex issue.Yet it's not just steroid use, it's baseball's willing ignorance of steroid use. It's also the players ambivalent and/or indignant attitude towards the issue. It's also baseball's manipulation of the ballparks general size, possible tampering with the baseball, and the rapid, greed motivated, expansion which has diluted the talent base to a greater or lesser degree.

All of these factors have taken place in a relatively short period of time and have left more than a few of us with a very bad taste in our mouth. For a voter to turn in a blank ballot to protest what the game has become, I don't think is wrong.


RobFilmMusic - 1/12/2007 at 07:15 PM

Hehe....... so the Dodgers have decided to turn right field pavilion into all you can eat seats......... $40 a pop.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2728273


anybody think this is worth it? The left field pavilion seats are $10.


gondicar - 1/12/2007 at 07:45 PM

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Hehe....... so the Dodgers have decided to turn right field pavilion into all you can eat seats......... $40 a pop.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2728273


anybody think this is worth it? The left field pavilion seats are $10.


If there were $10 before, that's $30 more. Definitely worth it if you plan to eat the food (if the food prices compare to Fenway, it doesn't take much to nget to $30). Looks like they will still have $10 if you don't want the all you can eat deal.

Sounds like a good place for Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, Richard Simmons, etc. to put billboards...


RobFilmMusic - 1/12/2007 at 09:04 PM

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Hehe....... so the Dodgers have decided to turn right field pavilion into all you can eat seats......... $40 a pop.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2728273


anybody think this is worth it? The left field pavilion seats are $10.


If there were $10 before, that's $30 more. Definitely worth it if you plan to eat the food (if the food prices compare to Fenway, it doesn't take much to nget to $30). Looks like they will still have $10 if you don't want the all you can eat deal.

Sounds like a good place for Weight Watchers, Jenny Craig, Richard Simmons, etc. to put billboards...


When i went to Chavez Ravine last year i think i spent in the neighborhood of $20-$30 on concessions but of course about $13 of that was beer....... which is not included in the "all you can eat".

Last year I believe these seats were $6

[Edited on 1/12/2007 by RobFilmMusic]


cupofjo - 1/13/2007 at 12:26 AM

Damn you have to eat a lot of hot dogs for that price. Is it a buffet or a window?

Some how I do not see this going to work out to well unless you can order a bunch at once.


crossroad_blues - 1/13/2007 at 04:10 AM

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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?


No...Tito

BTW, isn't the 5 year rule waived in case of death, ala Clemente?


WharfRat - 1/13/2007 at 04:12 AM

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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?



WharfRat - 1/13/2007 at 04:14 AM

I will say this though.. I dont see anyone ever wearing #51 for the Yanks again..


crossroad_blues - 1/13/2007 at 04:20 AM

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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?


No...Tito

BTW, isn't the 5 year rule waived in case of death, ala Clemente?


It was waived for Clemente because he was an obvious Hall of Fame candidate. Munson obviously wasn't.


Yes, but Clemente died in '72, Munson in '79.


WharfRat - 1/13/2007 at 04:22 AM

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I will say this though.. I dont see anyone ever wearing #51 for the Yanks again..


Why? He was a good player, but nothing special. All you need to do is have a couple of good years and the Yankees retire your number. It loses value when a team does it as often as the Yankees do it.


I dont see anyone out there right now ( other then Reggie) that doesnt deserve it.

Besides, there are plenty of numbers under 100 left

And its not always about stats.

[Edited on 1/13/2007 by WharfRat]


RobFilmMusic - 1/13/2007 at 04:24 AM

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I will say this though.. I dont see anyone ever wearing #51 for the Yanks again..


Why? He was a good player, but nothing special. All you need to do is have a couple of good years and the Yankees retire your number. It loses value when a team does it as often as the Yankees do it.


I know one thing........ I don't see #13 being retired at yankee stadium anytime soon


WharfRat - 1/13/2007 at 04:25 AM

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I will say this though.. I dont see anyone ever wearing #51 for the Yanks again..


Why? He was a good player, but nothing special. All you need to do is have a couple of good years and the Yankees retire your number. It loses value when a team does it as often as the Yankees do it.


I know one thing........ I don't see #13 being retired at yankee stadium anytime soon



Maybe for Jim Leyritz


SkyPuppy - 1/13/2007 at 04:25 AM

Thurman did not have Hall of Fame numbers, but he was a Hall of Fame Player.
You show me another catcher who hit .300, drove in 100 RBI's with less than 20 Homeruns..3 yrs in a row!!!.
Bottom Ninth, 2 outs, tying run on 3rd..who do you want up?
Thurman would come before half the players in the HOF in many eyes..not just mine.


crossroad_blues - 1/13/2007 at 04:26 AM

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I will say this though.. I dont see anyone ever wearing #51 for the Yanks again..


Why? He was a good player, but nothing special. All you need to do is have a couple of good years and the Yankees retire your number. It loses value when a team does it as often as the Yankees do it.


Agreed. It cheapens the honor.

Pretty soon they'll run out of numbers an start issuing numbers in triple digits.


SkyPuppy - 1/13/2007 at 04:27 AM

Is Carlos Baerga still at the plate posing for his Baseball card??

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Coming soon....





...to rule a world near you!










WharfRat - 1/13/2007 at 04:28 AM

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I will say this though.. I dont see anyone ever wearing #51 for the Yanks again..


Why? He was a good player, but nothing special. All you need to do is have a couple of good years and the Yankees retire your number. It loses value when a team does it as often as the Yankees do it.


I dont see anyone out there right now ( other then Reggie) that doesnt deserve it.

Besides, there are plenty of numbers under 100 left

And its not always about stats.

[Edited on 1/13/2007 by WharfRat]


It shouldn't be about popularity.


That is part of it, I admit.

It is also about class. The guy busted his ass, day in and day out. Never a complaint.
Unfortunately, that is a rare thing today

I see that in one fo your Mets right now ( Wright)


crossroad_blues - 1/13/2007 at 04:30 AM

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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?


No...Tito

BTW, isn't the 5 year rule waived in case of death, ala Clemente?


It was waived for Clemente because he was an obvious Hall of Fame candidate. Munson obviously wasn't.


Yes, but Clemente died in '72, Munson in '79.


That's right. It was allowed for Clemente as a one time deal. It isn't automatically done. Sometimes you need to put some time between the players untimely death and voting to allow his career to be looked at in a more objective way. 5 years after Thurman's death, that is exactly what happened.


Pardon me, but that's a load of BS. You can't make an exception for one player & not allow others. Clemente was great, but not any more than other greats.


WharfRat - 1/13/2007 at 04:30 AM

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Why? He was a good player, but nothing special. All you need to do is have a couple of good years and the Yankees retire your number. It loses value when a team does it as often as the Yankees do it.


Agreed. It cheapens the honor.

Pretty soon they'll run out of numbers an start issuing numbers in triple digits.




Giambi is big enough.. He can be the first #100 Uni... LOL!


WharfRat - 1/13/2007 at 04:33 AM

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You show me another catcher who hit .300, drove in 100 RBI's with less than 20 Homeruns..3 yrs in a row!!!.
Bottom Ninth, 2 outs, tying run on 3rd..who do you want up?
Thurman would come before half the players in the HOF in many eyes..not just mine.



11 seasons, 113 home runs, 701 rbi's, .292 ba


3 seasons don't make a career.



As much as I loved Thurm, he wasnt a HOF'er

A great Yankee?? YES.

Deserving of a retired number?? YES.

A HOF player?? no.


WharfRat - 1/13/2007 at 04:34 AM

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Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?


No...Tito

BTW, isn't the 5 year rule waived in case of death, ala Clemente?


It was waived for Clemente because he was an obvious Hall of Fame candidate. Munson obviously wasn't.


Yes, but Clemente died in '72, Munson in '79.


That's right. It was allowed for Clemente as a one time deal. It isn't automatically done. Sometimes you need to put some time between the players untimely death and voting to allow his career to be looked at in a more objective way. 5 years after Thurman's death, that is exactly what happened.


Pardon me, but that's a load of BS. You can't make an exception for one player & not allow others. Clemente was great, but not any more than other greats.



BS or not, that is what was done. How many players died while active players? And of those few, how many were HOF'ers? I think you could count them on two fingers.



Clemente had 3000 hits, thats a HOF lock.

Unless you gamble a lttle bit


crossroad_blues - 1/13/2007 at 04:49 AM

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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?


No...Tito

BTW, isn't the 5 year rule waived in case of death, ala Clemente?


It was waived for Clemente because he was an obvious Hall of Fame candidate. Munson obviously wasn't.


Yes, but Clemente died in '72, Munson in '79.


That's right. It was allowed for Clemente as a one time deal. It isn't automatically done. Sometimes you need to put some time between the players untimely death and voting to allow his career to be looked at in a more objective way. 5 years after Thurman's death, that is exactly what happened.


Pardon me, but that's a load of BS. You can't make an exception for one player & not allow others. Clemente was great, but not any more than other greats.



BS or not, that is what was done. How many players died while active players? And of those few, how many were HOF'ers? I think you could count them on two fingers.

Doesn't matter. How many HOF'er retired while active? It's a ridiculous question. It's silly to argue about it. What's the difference between a bad injury or a death? How many went out on a 'high' note? Even Ruth didn't. They all leave the game sometime or other, timely or untimely.

To say Clemente deserved it because he died and the rule should be waived just for him is nothing more than pandering to the 'flavor of the day'. Don't get me wrong, I think Clemente has HOF'er credential, just that they shouldn't have waived the rule for him any more than for Munson or anyone else.


SkyPuppy - 1/13/2007 at 04:55 AM

I prefaced my Posting with...Munson does not have Hall of Fame Numbers, so no one is arguing he belongs, but he played like a Hall of Famer. The HOF voting is a crock anyway. These writers once they get a vote..never lose it!! Not even after they retire. They get to vote on players they never see. Beat writers who cover one team, gets to vote on players from the other league..it's a joke. If they don't like you, your off their ballot, they make it personal! And when they decided to let HOF players vote with the Veteran's committee, they decided noone was as good as them and No one got in off that list. One time Vote..You get in..or you don't. Your retired..what can you possibly do to get in now? have someone lobby for you..wait for your buddies to get on commitee (ala Rizzutto..hate to admit it..but if Pee wee is in..Phil gets in..he got the rings) Mantle only got 85% of the vote. Dimaggio didn't get in first ballot!!! Ripken was a compiler, but Gwynn should have gotten %100 of the vote, but no one does. I'm supposed to take these guys serious?!. )

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You show me another catcher who hit .300, drove in 100 RBI's with less than 20 Homeruns..3 yrs in a row!!!.
Bottom Ninth, 2 outs, tying run on 3rd..who do you want up?
Thurman would come before half the players in the HOF in many eyes..not just mine.



11 seasons, 113 home runs, 701 rbi's, .292 ba


3 seasons don't make a career.


crossroad_blues - 1/13/2007 at 05:09 AM

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All of them except for Clemente.


That's my point. Why make an exception for him? Why not wait 5 years like everyone else? Was he so much more exceptional than anyone else? No. Why is Clemente so much more deserving than anyone else? Because he died?


crossroad_blues - 1/13/2007 at 05:23 AM

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Doesn't matter. How many HOF'er retired while active?



All of them except for Clemente.


That's my point. Why make an exception for him? Why not wait 5 years like everyone else? Was he so much more exceptional than anyone else? No. Why is Clemente so much more deserving than anyone else? Because he died?



Listen, I didn't say whether it was right or wrong, but I understand the feeling.

1. He was an obvious HOF'er

2. He was never going to play again.




Neither was Cy Young when he was elected.


crossroad_blues - 1/13/2007 at 05:36 AM

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Doesn't matter. How many HOF'er retired while active?



All of them except for Clemente.


That's my point. Why make an exception for him? Why not wait 5 years like everyone else? Was he so much more exceptional than anyone else? No. Why is Clemente so much more deserving than anyone else? Because he died?



Listen, I didn't say whether it was right or wrong, but I understand the feeling.

1. He was an obvious HOF'er

2. He was never going to play again.




Neither was Cy Young when he was elected.



that made no sense at all.


I claim a foul! You're expecting me to make sense?!!!

Cy Young was dead when he was elected. He couldn't come back either.


TexGent - 1/13/2007 at 05:45 AM

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Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?






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I dont see anyone out there right now ( other then Reggie) that doesnt deserve it.

Besides, there are plenty of numbers under 100 left

And its not always about stats.

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I have to agree that all those retired numbers seem to be legit, except for Reggie, so I can't see where the Yanks have cheapened the accomplishment. The hard fact is that they've had that many great players over the years. (OMG, Wharfy's right!)

Reggie - HOF? absolutely. Retired number? Seems like a stretch with only 5 years even with the impact he had in October.

Munson - Retired number? Might be a stretch but I can understand it given his sudden departure. HOF? no

Clemente - 1st round HOF? abosolutely, but should have waited five years. What could possibly have been gained by short-circuiting the process? Why not just vote Roger in there now, then he wouldn't retire until he was 55!


crossroad_blues - 1/13/2007 at 05:47 AM

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Why would a TEAM accomplishment (winning the series) affect a vote for an INDIVIDUAL achievement honor (HOF)?

Maybe the HOF should only include Yankees lol




Yankee fans think that everyone who puts on a Yankee uniform deserves to be in. When Thurman Munson died, Yankee fans and officials were clamoring to have the 5 year rule waived so that Munson could be inducted immediately. Cooler heads prevailed and it never happened. Now some fans (sorry Wharfy ) are calling for Mattingly to be inducted. No way, he was good but not great. Who is next? Bernie Williams?






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Besides, there are plenty of numbers under 100 left

And its not always about stats.

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I have to agree that all those retired numbers seem to be legit, except for Reggie, so I can't see where the Yanks have cheapened the accomplishment. The hard fact is that they've had that many great players over the years. (OMG, Wharfy's right!)

Reggie - HOF? absolutely. Retired number? Seems like a stretch with only 5 years even with the impact he had in October.

Munson - Retired number? Might be a stretch but I can understand it given his sudden departure. HOF? no

Clemente - 1st round HOF? abosolutely, but should have waited five years. What could possibly have been gained by short-circuiting the process? Why not just vote Roger in there now, then he wouldn't retire until he was 55!


Ahhhhh......another voice of sanity.


gondicar - 1/13/2007 at 02:02 PM


piacere - 1/13/2007 at 04:10 PM

BoSox in '07 !!!!!!


SkyPuppy - 1/13/2007 at 10:57 PM

You think so huh? You couldn't even make the palyoffs last yr. After we took you 5 straight..made Manny Quit on the season..put Big Papi, and Francona in the Hospital....you better keep your 04' Disc in good shape,..you'll have to play it for a while to see them win any more rings..oh, dont froget to get a Blue ray copy of fever Pitch!!!...OK..Shot's fired!

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RobFilmMusic - 1/13/2007 at 11:11 PM

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You think so huh? You couldn't even make the palyoffs last yr. After we took you 5 straight..made Manny Quit on the season..put Big Papi, and Francona in the Hospital....you better keep your 04' Disc in good shape,..you'll have to play it for a while to see them win any more rings..oh, dont froget to get a Blue ray copy of fever Pitch!!!...OK..Shot's fired!
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hmmmm........... I believe your team quit last year in the playoffs and a couple more before that, right? You've got nothing to gloat about at all other than perenially high expectations that are inevitably not met.

BTW, the Yankees themselves (or the fans) did not put Big Papi or Tito in the hospital. Get your facts straight and keep some class.


WharfRat - 1/14/2007 at 01:37 AM

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You think so huh? You couldn't even make the palyoffs last yr. After we took you 5 straight..made Manny Quit on the season..put Big Papi, and Francona in the Hospital....you better keep your 04' Disc in good shape,..you'll have to play it for a while to see them win any more rings..oh, dont froget to get a Blue ray copy of fever Pitch!!!...OK..Shot's fired!
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BoSox in '07 !!!!!!




Dude, I am one of the very few Yankee fans here.

Please dont make us look bad.

Thanks.


WharfRat - 1/14/2007 at 02:42 AM

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Every team has its boorish fans.


Yea, where IS Ozzie anyway???


WharfRat - 1/14/2007 at 02:46 AM

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Yea, where IS Ozzie anyway???





Watching the Eagles and trying to decide which bandwagon to get on if the Eagles lose.



IF they lose??

Go SAINTS


SkyPuppy - 1/14/2007 at 03:07 AM

I'm a full season ticket holder...I have to listen to these Sox fans all year invading the Stadium..No fan comes close to looking bad than red Sox fans. So much so that in '05 when the Sox fans were making the rounds around the league, they were so obnoxious in Camden Yards that the Orioles palyed The Bucky Dent Homerun for them..classic.
Plus, I'm also a sports competitor, and some fun trash talking is part of the game...ever been on the field..you'd know


SkyPuppy - 1/14/2007 at 03:09 AM

we didn't quit..we got beat. And don't talk to me about class, when you can't even tell where I'm coming from.

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You think so huh? You couldn't even make the palyoffs last yr. After we took you 5 straight..made Manny Quit on the season..put Big Papi, and Francona in the Hospital....you better keep your 04' Disc in good shape,..you'll have to play it for a while to see them win any more rings..oh, dont froget to get a Blue ray copy of fever Pitch!!!...OK..Shot's fired!
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BoSox in '07 !!!!!!




hmmmm........... I believe your team quit last year in the playoffs and a couple more before that, right? You've got nothing to gloat about at all other than perenially high expectations that are inevitably not met.

BTW, the Yankees themselves (or the fans) did not put Big Papi or Tito in the hospital. Get your facts straight and keep some class.


SkyPuppy - 1/14/2007 at 03:16 AM

LMFAO A guy with over 25,000 post..and he's talking about someone else running his mouth..what a joke

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You think so huh? You couldn't even make the palyoffs last yr. After we took you 5 straight..made Manny Quit on the season..put Big Papi, and Francona in the Hospital....you better keep your 04' Disc in good shape,..you'll have to play it for a while to see them win any more rings..oh, dont froget to get a Blue ray copy of fever Pitch!!!...OK..Shot's fired!
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BoSox in '07 !!!!!!




hmmmm........... I believe your team quit last year in the playoffs and a couple more before that, right? You've got nothing to gloat about at all other than perenially high expectations that are inevitably not met.

BTW, the Yankees themselves (or the fans) did not put Big Papi or Tito in the hospital. Get your facts straight and keep some class.


Class? This guy? No, he likes to run his mouth. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to know what he is talking about most of the time.


WharfRat - 1/14/2007 at 03:18 AM

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You think so huh? You couldn't even make the palyoffs last yr. After we took you 5 straight..made Manny Quit on the season..put Big Papi, and Francona in the Hospital....you better keep your 04' Disc in good shape,..you'll have to play it for a while to see them win any more rings..oh, dont froget to get a Blue ray copy of fever Pitch!!!...OK..Shot's fired!
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hmmmm........... I believe your team quit last year in the playoffs and a couple more before that, right? You've got nothing to gloat about at all other than perenially high expectations that are inevitably not met.

BTW, the Yankees themselves (or the fans) did not put Big Papi or Tito in the hospital. Get your facts straight and keep some class.


Class? This guy? No, he likes to run his mouth. Unfortunately, he doesn't seem to know what he is talking about most of the time.




Well, THIS could be why....... Registered: 11/30/2001

Dude, stop giving Yankee fans a bad name. No wonder everyone hates us.


SkyPuppy - 1/14/2007 at 03:28 AM

I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to the Yankees..ok.
I only just got back from working on a Mini Series about the Bronx Zoo in CT for 6 weeks as a consulant. I worked on For Love of the Game w Kevin Costner as a technical advisor Names on the credits if you want to doubt me) You gentleman have obviously never played a game of sports in your life. The banter that goes on on the field is unmerciless..Ive been filming it for 20 yrs!! No one is worse than Jeter!! I thought I could carry over that kind of humor here. I thought wrong. But that's all it was.
And next time anyone wants to tell me I have no class, and I dont know what I'm talking about, and I run my mouth. That, you do to my face. have a nice night


WharfRat - 1/14/2007 at 03:35 AM

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I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to the Yankees..ok.
I only just got back from working on a Mini Series about the Bronx Zoo in CT for 6 weeks as a consulant. I worked on For Love of the Game w Kevin Costner as a technical advisor Names on the credits if you want to doubt me) You gentleman have obviously never played a game of sports in your life. The banter that goes on on the field is unmerciless..Ive been filming it for 20 yrs!! No one is worse than Jeter!! I thought I could carry over that kind of humor here. I thought wrong. But that's all it was.
And next time anyone wants to tell me I have no class, and I dont know what I'm talking about, and I run my mouth. That, you do to my face. have a nice night



There is also a thing called respect and good sportsmanship.

Trust me, I have inserted my foot in mouth many times here the last few years in reguards to the Yanks. The boys here bring me back down to earth.


SkyPuppy - 1/14/2007 at 03:47 AM

LOL, The Line I used about the Bue ray disk..is the same line Nettles used 2 weeks ago joking around on the set. These guys are brutal. And I'm used to that. I still play in a over 30 Baseball league and you have to have thick skin in sports, And the skin here is obviously thin. BTW ironic tidbit...Guess who is playing Nettles? (on the field in the movie) Jeffrey Mayer!
What I said was typical sportmanlike banter on the field, believe me.
Some here obviously just watch Baseball..they don't know Baseball.
I could trade good natured barbs with the best of them
But the attack on my character here is unacceptable, you guys don't even know me.
If you did, you would know where I was coming from.


SkyPuppy - 1/14/2007 at 06:23 AM

Who are you to say how it works? I may be new here to HTW but I will say what I please here, anytime I please.
I'm not concerned with impressing anyone, or worrying about who doesn't like me. Only phonies are liked by all.
There are quotes that poster have used from other people all over the forums here from articles and second hand information. Your telling me I can't use a quote I heard in person?
Someone is too full of himself here.


jkd-xrds - 1/14/2007 at 07:15 AM

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Someone is too full of himself here.


Now we're getting somewhere.


RobFilmMusic - 1/14/2007 at 09:05 AM

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I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to the Yankees..ok.
I only just got back from working on a Mini Series about the Bronx Zoo in CT for 6 weeks as a consulant. I worked on For Love of the Game w Kevin Costner as a technical advisor Names on the credits if you want to doubt me) You gentleman have obviously never played a game of sports in your life. The banter that goes on on the field is unmerciless..Ive been filming it for 20 yrs!! No one is worse than Jeter!! I thought I could carry over that kind of humor here. I thought wrong. But that's all it was.
And next time anyone wants to tell me I have no class, and I dont know what I'm talking about, and I run my mouth. That, you do to my face. have a nice night


whoop-de-freaking-do..... Hey guys! He got his name in a movie and he was a consultant on a cople of Yankee games. You want a cookie or something?

Listen, obviously you missed why we called you classless. Papi and Tito had potentially life threatening illnesses. You could have said "papi sucks, tito has no brain, schilling is done and varitek couldn't catch a beach ball" and none of us would have really thought twice about it. That's standard operation around here. Do you really think that on the field Jeter would come up to Trot Nixon and say "hey, you guys suck so bad that we put Tito and Papi in the hospital......eat that". Come on. Life threatening illnesses transcend the game of baseball, but i guess you missed that too.

Second, keep your name dropping out of here. It's worthless to the rest of us around here and myself.



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cupofjo - 1/14/2007 at 02:42 PM

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Who are you to say how it works? I may be new here to HTW but I will say what I please here, anytime I please.
I'm not concerned with impressing anyone, or worrying about who doesn't like me. Only phonies are liked by all.
There are quotes that poster have used from other people all over the forums here from articles and second hand information. Your telling me I can't use a quote I heard in person?
Someone is too full of himself here.


Well I posted lastnight then retracted it. You have that put foot in mouth desease! Maybe you should leave there! Every time you take it out it just goes right back in there.

If you were not trying to impress people you would not have said you were a consultant for this and that.

Everybody here can take trash talk but not the way you came across.

As somebody said this is online we dont know you and you dont know us. This in itself shows you should be cautious at first until you get to know who we are. Remember first impressions last a long time. With your comments you are inviting more negative comments to you. Nobody cares that you are trying or not trying to impress. Nobody likes phonies. Just be real but not an ass.

Maybe if you take the time and read you will see what we are about.




WharfRat - 1/14/2007 at 03:51 PM

This is why being a Yankee fan can be dangerous business


SkyPuppy - 1/14/2007 at 04:15 PM

But worth every minute of it!! LOL. These guys are so easy to set off. I thought you knew how to banter in the Majors...but still Minor leauguers I take them so not serious. I'm not even going to Bitch Slap Old Time Fan if I ever meet him for the Stupid remark. But I will advise you all to stop the personal attacks. It will only cause you more problems down the road. I attacked no one verbally here, and I won't stand for it from ANYONE! So. if anyone has a name they want to call me? Be a man. And say it to my face..Otherwise..keep it to Sports That's all I ask. If you can't do that..we're going to have a problem Pal! I hope we have an understanding now?

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WharfRat - 1/14/2007 at 04:17 PM

Whatever.


gondicar - 1/14/2007 at 05:18 PM

SkyPuppy...just another Red Sox fearing drivel spouting a$$head Yankee fan or kittie chasing cyber doggie boy ? You decide.

http://www.starquail.com/Games/

"Take to the skies with Wilford the SkyPuppy in his quest to fill his belly with the doggie treats inexplicably tantalizing him from above. His journey will take him from his home in the suburbs to volcanic island paradises, icy mountaintops, spooky castles, even the void of outer space, but only you can help him ride the wind and stay safe from the dangers lurking in the clouds--spikey Sky Urchins, Balloon-ridng Kittens, and fleets of mysterious UFOs! What awaits our hero at the very top of the sky? Try out Sky Puppy today and find out!"


SkyPuppy - 1/14/2007 at 05:26 PM

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SkyPuppy...just another Red Sox fearing drivel spouting a$$head Yankee fan or kittie chasing cyber doggie boy ? You decide.
That's good stuff! Funny And Your right about me..I've been chasing kittie pussy all my life.

http://www.starquail.com/Games/

"Take to the skies with Wilford the SkyPuppy in his quest to fill his belly with the doggie treats inexplicably tantalizing him from above. His journey will take him from his home in the suburbs to volcanic island paradises, icy mountaintops, spooky castles, even the void of outer space, but only you can help him ride the wind and stay safe from the dangers lurking in the clouds--spikey Sky Urchins, Balloon-ridng Kittens, and fleets of mysterious UFOs! What awaits our hero at the very top of the sky? Try out Sky Puppy today and find out!"


SkyPuppy - 1/14/2007 at 05:26 PM

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SkyPuppy...just another Red Sox fearing drivel spouting a$$head Yankee fan or kittie chasing cyber doggie boy ? You decide.
That's good stuff! Funny And Your right about me..I've been chasing kittie pussy all my life.

http://www.starquail.com/Games/

"Take to the skies with Wilford the SkyPuppy in his quest to fill his belly with the doggie treats inexplicably tantalizing him from above. His journey will take him from his home in the suburbs to volcanic island paradises, icy mountaintops, spooky castles, even the void of outer space, but only you can help him ride the wind and stay safe from the dangers lurking in the clouds--spikey Sky Urchins, Balloon-ridng Kittens, and fleets of mysterious UFOs! What awaits our hero at the very top of the sky? Try out Sky Puppy today and find out!"


gondicar - 1/14/2007 at 05:28 PM

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I've been chasing kittie pussy all my life.


I guess we might be seeing you on TV then: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10912603/

Still learning how to use this internet thingy too, I see.

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RobFilmMusic - 1/14/2007 at 05:33 PM

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But worth every minute of it!! LOL. These guys are so easy to set off. I thought you knew how to banter in the Majors...but still Minor leauguers I take them so not serious. I'm not even going to Bitch Slap Old Time Fan if I ever meet him for the Stupid remark. But I will advise you all to stop the personal attacks. It will only cause you more problems down the road. I attacked no one verbally here, and I won't stand for it from ANYONE! So. if anyone has a name they want to call me? Be a man. And say it to my face..Otherwise..keep it to Sports That's all I ask. If you can't do that..we're going to have a problem Pal! I hope we have an understanding now?
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"I attacked no one here"....... read your post moron.

"Be a man. And say it to my face."........... this is coming from the guy who just told OTF on the internet that he would bitch slap him.

"But I will advise you all to stop the personal attacks. It will only cause you more problems down the road."........... shaking in my boots right now. Who do you think you are?


SkyPuppy - 1/14/2007 at 05:39 PM

OK, Gloves Off You Little PUNK. I would gladly show you who I am, if and when you step out from behind the safety of your computer..you going to the Beacon? We can stop this nonsense here..and chat there...?


RobFilmMusic - 1/14/2007 at 05:51 PM

Threats get you nowhere around here.

And I thought we were supposed to be the ones who were "easy to set off".


SkyPuppy - 1/14/2007 at 06:06 PM

I'm not threatning you around here!!! I said we could chat at the Beacon...face to face.

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And I thought we were supposed to be the ones who were "easy to set off".

Oh, you think this is me set off??? No, No, No,..you haven't even seen that yet...and you really don't want to. This is me still under control. Please, lets stop now. I really don't want to get to that point. I really don't. But you guys are pushing it.
So, I will be the one to take the high road here, and make one attempt to stop this particular feud....ONE attempt.

Peace All

[Edited on 1/14/2007 by SkyPuppy]


cupofjo - 1/14/2007 at 08:16 PM

Ok Lets get his back on topic!

Lyle Overbay signs 4 year 24 million dollar contract.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2731200


Toronto is doing a nice job of locking up all there players. They may spend a little more now but in the long run it will be cheaper. AL east is going to get tougher.


WharfRat - 1/14/2007 at 08:23 PM

Im done here till this jackass is gone fellas.

He's making me embarrassed to be a Yankee fan.

peace.


APOTHIS - 1/14/2007 at 08:43 PM

My, oh my. I came to a Baseball thread and a fight breaks out. What's the problem gentlemen?


APOTHIS - 1/14/2007 at 08:53 PM

The last baseball/player agreement, which included making sure the teams benifiting from the luxury tax are now being forced to put that money back into the team, which is what the spirit of the plan was in the first place.
KC, I guess is one of the best examples. Toronto is going to be very tough again this year too, your right.

quote:
Ok Lets get his back on topic!

Lyle Overbay signs 4 year 24 million dollar contract.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2731200


Toronto is doing a nice job of locking up all there players. They may spend a little more now but in the long run it will be cheaper. AL east is going to get tougher.



bob1954 - 1/15/2007 at 12:08 AM

quote:
My, oh my. I came to a Baseball thread and a fight breaks out. What's the problem gentlemen?

Right! Fighting should restricted to the hockey thread!


APOTHIS - 1/15/2007 at 12:32 AM

If Boston's starting pitching is everything they can be, they will be tough again..but they have no bullpen. I think they shold have kept Papelbon as closer. But hey, I'm a Yanks fan. I'm not complaining.


cupofjo - 1/15/2007 at 12:39 AM

quote:
quote:
Ok Lets get his back on topic!

Lyle Overbay signs 4 year 24 million dollar contract.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2731200


Toronto is doing a nice job of locking up all there players. They may spend a little more now but in the long run it will be cheaper. AL east is going to get tougher.





Toronto tries hard, but don't have the financial resources of Boston and New York. They need to keep trying to lock up young players before they get too expensive. One disadvantage that they have to deal with is that the players are paid in American dollars which has an unfavorable exchange rate for Canada right now.


I didnt even put that into the equation but you are right! Rogers Communication owns them(Canadas largest cable provider) so I dont think money is a big issue.

But I'm sure it played a big part in Montreal.


cupofjo - 1/15/2007 at 12:41 AM

quote:
quote:
My, oh my. I came to a Baseball thread and a fight breaks out. What's the problem gentlemen?

Right! Fighting should restricted to the hockey thread!



cupofjo - 1/15/2007 at 12:44 AM

quote:
If Boston's starting pitching is everything they can be, they will be tough again..but they have no bullpen. I think they shold have kept Papelbon as closer. But hey, I'm a Yanks fan. I'm not complaining.


They are difinately stronger if they keep Papelbon as a closer.


PhotoDude - 1/15/2007 at 01:19 AM

quote:
quote:
I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to the Yankees..ok.
I only just got back from working on a Mini Series about the Bronx Zoo in CT for 6 weeks as a consulant. I worked on For Love of the Game w Kevin Costner as a technical advisor Names on the credits if you want to doubt me) You gentleman have obviously never played a game of sports in your life. The banter that goes on on the field is unmerciless..Ive been filming it for 20 yrs!! No one is worse than Jeter!! I thought I could carry over that kind of humor here. I thought wrong. But that's all it was.
And next time anyone wants to tell me I have no class, and I dont know what I'm talking about, and I run my mouth. That, you do to my face. have a nice night


whoop-de-freaking-do..... Hey guys! He got his name in a movie and he was a consultant on a cople of Yankee games. You want a cookie or something?

Listen, obviously you missed why we called you classless. Papi and Tito had potentially life threatening illnesses. You could have said "papi sucks, tito has no brain, schilling is done and varitek couldn't catch a beach ball" and none of us would have really thought twice about it. That's standard operation around here. Do you really think that on the field Jeter would come up to Trot Nixon and say "hey, you guys suck so bad that we put Tito and Papi in the hospital......eat that". Come on. Life threatening illnesses transcend the game of baseball, but i guess you missed that too.

Second, keep your name dropping out of here. It's worthless to the rest of us around here and myself.



[Edited on 1/14/2007 by RobFilmMusic]


I didn't get screen credit, but I'm in a Paul Newman movie. (Slap Shot)

I outrank this skypuppy guy, right?



[Edited on 1/15/2007 by PhotoDude]


RobFilmMusic - 1/15/2007 at 01:25 AM

quote:
quote:
If Boston's starting pitching is everything they can be, they will be tough again..but they have no bullpen. I think they shold have kept Papelbon as closer. But hey, I'm a Yanks fan. I'm not complaining.


They are difinately stronger if they keep Papelbon as a closer.


With the sox bullpen you never really know. The rookies they had last year could step up big this year or they could flop. Tavarez could return to form or continue to blow it. I forgot his name, but the guy from Japan could be a huge lift. The interesting thing to watch will be Joel Piniero, they could possibly try him out as a closer. It's been mentioned that Papelbon could return as a closer but they seem to prefer him as a SP.


APOTHIS - 1/15/2007 at 02:00 AM

Can't help but get a kick out the the war of the words scrolling up. But one interesting thing Skypuppy wrote...Jeffrey Mayer is playing Graigg Nettles??!!..only about 40 yrs difference in age!!! better have good makeup!


crossroad_blues - 1/15/2007 at 02:07 AM

Man, with all the 'fighting' going on here, I thought I was in the Hockey thread.


SkyPuppy - 1/15/2007 at 02:11 AM

Apothis,
The Kid is only playing Nettles on the field, shot from booth...can't really see him upclose. it's another actor who plays Nettles with lines upclose.
The Kid can really play!! Good College ballplayer.


crossroad_blues - 1/15/2007 at 02:20 AM

quote:
Apothis,
The Kid is only playing Nettles on the field, shot from booth...can't really see him upclose. it's another actor who plays Nettles with lines upclose.
The Kid can really play!! Good College ballplayer.


As a O's fan, I only have one thing to say.......'Eff Jeffery Mayer!!!


SkyPuppy - 1/15/2007 at 02:29 AM

Sorry, you did get robbed. Ritchie Phillips blew it, and he's the first to admit it..not that you care much. Everything went the Yankees way for a while there. You need some luck to win, and they had their share for a long time. The last 6 yrs have brought us back to earth some. But I lived through a Dynasty...never thought that could ever happen again in Baseball. But I'm getting hungry again!!

quote:
quote:
Apothis,
The Kid is only playing Nettles on the field, shot from booth...can't really see him upclose. it's another actor who plays Nettles with lines upclose.
The Kid can really play!! Good College ballplayer.


As a O's fan, I only have one thing to say.......'Eff Jeffery Mayer!!!


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 02:29 AM

How 'bout those Patriots !!!!!!!!!!!

heh heh heh.....


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 02:37 AM

quote:
I don't know what I'm talking about when it comes to the Yankees..ok.
I only just got back from working on a Mini Series about the Bronx Zoo in CT for 6 weeks as a consulant. I worked on For Love of the Game w Kevin Costner as a technical advisor Names on the credits if you want to doubt me) You gentleman have obviously never played a game of sports in your life. The banter that goes on on the field is unmerciless..Ive been filming it for 20 yrs!! No one is worse than Jeter!! I thought I could carry over that kind of humor here. I thought wrong. But that's all it was.
And next time anyone wants to tell me I have no class, and I dont know what I'm talking about, and I run my mouth. That, you do to my face. have a nice night


where are ya?


APOTHIS - 1/15/2007 at 02:37 AM

skypuppy..what did you do..burn their houses down too?? LOL..they really piled on. Even after you offered the olive branch!!..lol
Just joking guys..Sky is so cool, and working for a cause we all stand behind . you all just got off on the wrong foot it seems
Man those Pats always find a way..hate them..but have to respect them.


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 02:40 AM

quote:
quote:
How 'bout those Patriots !!!!!!!!!!!

heh heh heh.....


Who?


you, of all people, should know.

and again, BoSox in '07 !!!!


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 02:43 AM

quote:
skypuppy..what did you do..burn their houses down too?? LOL..they really piled on. Even after you offered the olive branch!!..lol
Just joking guys..Sky is so cool, and working for a cause we all stand behind . you all just got off on the wrong foot it seems
Man those Pats always find a way..hate them..but have to respect them.



APOTHIS - 1/15/2007 at 02:45 AM

Man, if it was Rivers who pulled this one out of the hat...The Giants fans here in NY would be going Nuts! Saying..See, we should have kept him!!


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 02:51 AM

quote:
Man, if it was Rivers who pulled this one out of the hat...The Giants fans here in NY would be going Nuts! Saying..See, we should have kept him!!


pulled out of a hat?

I beg to differ, my good man.

meet me in the football thread, I'll enlighten you.

(just ask Otie, Wharfy, Dug....) although they fail to enter into the light, for some reason


APOTHIS - 1/15/2007 at 02:59 AM

I don't mean pull out of the hat in the truest sense. Your right. they earned it. But you have to admit without some undisiplined play, which led to killer penalties, it could have been different. I was really just trying to make my point about Eli Manning, and the NY Giant fans. Enjoy your victory.

quote:
quote:
Man, if it was Rivers who pulled this one out of the hat...The Giants fans here in NY would be going Nuts! Saying..See, we should have kept him!!


pulled out of a hat?

I beg to differ, my good man.

meet me in the football thread, I'll enlighten you.

(just ask Otie, Wharfy, Dug....) although they fail to enter into the light, for some reason


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 03:02 AM

quote:
I don't mean pull out of the hat in the truest sense. Your right. they earned it. But you have to admit without some undisiplined play, which led to killer penalties, it could have been different. I was really just trying to make my point about Eli Manning, and the NY Giant fans. Enjoy your victory.


10-4.

I agree with ya about Eli. That "deer in the headlights" look is getting pretty lame.

and some stupid penalties too. Championship teams don't do that.


SkyPuppy - 1/15/2007 at 03:03 AM

just noticed reading back....are you looking for me? I see you asking where I am?
I am in NYC if you would like to know. And You?


SkyPuppy - 1/15/2007 at 03:04 AM

Apothis..thanks, but it's cool..I'm over it.

quote:
quote:
skypuppy..what did you do..burn their houses down too?? LOL..they really piled on. Even after you offered the olive branch!!..lol
Just joking guys..Sky is so cool, and working for a cause we all stand behind . you all just got off on the wrong foot it seems
Man those Pats always find a way..hate them..but have to respect them.




piacere - 1/15/2007 at 03:10 AM

quote:
just noticed reading back....are you looking for me? I see you asking where I am?
I am in NYC if you would like to know. And You?


RI.

I'm done with you.

Later.


SkyPuppy - 1/15/2007 at 03:26 AM

LOL..oh I got it now. Your one of the guys from last night under another name. I had no beef with you under this name your under? I thought you were just asking where I lived as a matter of sports demigraphics!
So what was the reason for wanting to know where I live then? You have me curious.


gondicar - 1/15/2007 at 03:32 AM

SkyPuppy = APOTHIS


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 03:35 AM

quote:
LOL..oh I got it now. Your one of the guys from last night under another name. I had no beef with you under this name your under? I thought you were just asking where I lived as a matter of sports demigraphics!
So what was the reason for wanting to know where I live then? You have me curious.


It was, in fact, a geographic thing. In the time I've been here, (the old BB thread a couple pages back will prove) I've done my best to annoy and harrass Yankee fans. I wasn't here last night, this is my only name. I also have a twisted sense of humor which often gets lost on damn near everybody. As for wanting to know where you live, it goes up my ass when Yankee fans chime in from Brazil or Denmark or something but since you're from NY then you're a hometown team guy and I'll cut you a little slack.

a little.


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 03:37 AM

quote:
SkyPuppy = gina


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 03:38 AM

I told ya...a little.


SkyPuppy - 1/15/2007 at 03:43 AM

OK, That's fair enough! I paid me dues. I was 10 in '64 and had to live through the Horace Clarke Era, as we call it. 18 years to a next appearence, and I never faltered as a fan. I keep 4 full season box seats, and attend about 45 games a year. And I was there in '04, game 7..i took my medicine, watched them celebrate on MY turf!! LOL. I had to leave though when Trot Nixon ran out to the bleachers and started spraying them with Champagne..that was too much to take.
So, cool..I made one friend here today..that's a start.
Have a Good Night...

quote:
quote:
LOL..oh I got it now. Your one of the guys from last night under another name. I had no beef with you under this name your under? I thought you were just asking where I lived as a matter of sports demigraphics!
So what was the reason for wanting to know where I live then? You have me curious.


It was, in fact, a geographic thing. In the time I've been here, (the old BB thread a couple pages back will prove) I've done my best to annoy and harrass Yankee fans. I wasn't here last night, this is my only name. I also have a twisted sense of humor which often gets lost on damn near everybody. As for wanting to know where you live, it goes up my ass when Yankee fans chime in from Brazil or Denmark or something but since you're from NY then you're a hometown team guy and I'll cut you a little slack.

a little.


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 03:47 AM

friend? yeah.

mortal baseball enemy? probably.


SkyPuppy - 1/15/2007 at 03:48 AM

quote:
quote:
SkyPuppy = gina


Been called many things before..but never a Gina


SkyPuppy - 1/15/2007 at 03:53 AM

quote:
friend? yeah. My Guitar teacher is a Sox fan..and like you I cut him slack because he was born in Mass..he has a right. I love the man..but during the season...after a loss to you guys..for a short while..your right..mortal baseball enemies..lol. He sat in my Yankee locker room chair in '04, and I called him the Modern day Trojan Horse. he can no longer sit in that chair, as you could guess.

mortal baseball enemy? probably.


APOTHIS - 1/15/2007 at 03:55 AM

Ah. Blessed is the peacemaker, for he shall inherit the earth.


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 03:58 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
SkyPuppy = gina


Been called many things before..but never a Gina


it's an inside joke. No big deal.

It took me a while to realize that arguing on this forum is pointless and senseless. It serves no purpose. I don't talk to people in the real world in argumentative ways, why should I here? There's one person that I have a gripe with and that's gina, well, and Yankee fans. Don't let words, especially typed words, have any effect on ya. Often, when I go reading a post from OTF or Wharfy or many people, I'll start laughing before I even read it. It's all good. and I know before I even read it that I'm going to be besmirched in some way.


TexGent - 1/15/2007 at 04:02 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
My, oh my. I came to a Baseball thread and a fight breaks out. What's the problem gentlemen?

Right! Fighting should restricted to the hockey thread!




It might be more civil if I started a thread calling Squatch a John Bircher!


SkyPuppy - 1/15/2007 at 04:07 AM

well that's good to know. But it started to get a little personal there. I was getting thrown lefts, rights, uppercuts...good thing I've learned to duck living in NYC, and to get over things fast. Not easy for a Sicilian, who usually take a grudge to the grave!
Peace

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
SkyPuppy = gina


Been called many things before..but never a Gina


it's an inside joke. No big deal.

It took me a while to realize that arguing on this forum is pointless and senseless. It serves no purpose. I don't talk to people in the real world in argumentative ways, why should I here? There's one person that I have a gripe with and that's gina, well, and Yankee fans. Don't let words, especially typed words, have any effect on ya. Often, when I go reading a post from OTF or Wharfy or many people, I'll start laughing before I even read it. It's all good. and I know before I even read it that I'm going to be besmirched in some way.


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 04:13 AM

I'm Sicilian too. Full blood. Palermo. piacere="pleasure to meet you".

we should hook up and go harrass Yankee fans.

Oh, wait a minute........


WharfRat - 1/15/2007 at 04:16 AM

quote:
I'm Sicilian too. Full blood. Palermo. piacere="pleasure to meet you".

we should hook up and go harrass Yankee fans.

Oh, wait a minute........



Hello Mark


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 04:21 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
SkyPuppy = gina


Been called many things before..but never a Gina


it's an inside joke. No big deal.

It took me a while to realize that arguing on this forum is pointless and senseless. It serves no purpose. I don't talk to people in the real world in argumentative ways, why should I here? There's one person that I have a gripe with and that's gina, well, and Yankee fans. Don't let words, especially typed words, have any effect on ya. Often, when I go reading a post from OTF or Wharfy or many people, I'll start laughing before I even read it. It's all good. and I know before I even read it that I'm going to be besmirched in some way.



NEVER!!! We nly tell the truth. However, New England Boy, in your case the truth often sounds like besmirchment. But it is really fact.


see what I mean?


crossroad_blues - 1/15/2007 at 04:25 AM

quote:
I'm Sicilian too. Full blood. Palermo. piacere="pleasure to meet you".



Paisano!!! Piacere! Salerno here.

(Not full-blooded though. Only on my mother's side.)


WharfRat - 1/15/2007 at 04:26 AM

Why do I have a feeling I am about to get "whacked?"



piacere - 1/15/2007 at 04:28 AM

quote:
Why do I have a feeling I am about to get "whacked?"





Jets, Yankees, Colts...you figure it out.


WharfRat - 1/15/2007 at 04:29 AM

quote:
quote:
Why do I have a feeling I am about to get "whacked?"





Jets, Yankees, Colts...you figure it out.




My doors are locked tight


crossroad_blues - 1/15/2007 at 04:31 AM

quote:
quote:
Why do I have a feeling I am about to get "whacked?"





Jets, Yankees, Colts...you figure it out.


LMAO

don't forget Giants too.


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 04:32 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I'm Sicilian too. Full blood. Palermo. piacere="pleasure to meet you".



Paisano!!! Piacere! Salerno here.

(Not full-blooded though. Only on my mother's side.)



Hey guys! Do something useful. Whip up a couple of pizzas for us.


I'm a lasagna guy. I could make you a lasagna to die for. In fact, after eating it, a person on the bubble would keel over from clogged arteries. It's that good.


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 04:33 AM

quote:
quote:
I'm Sicilian too. Full blood. Palermo. piacere="pleasure to meet you".



Paisano!!! Piacere! Salerno here.

(Not full-blooded though. Only on my mother's side.)


I knew I liked you.


SkyPuppy - 1/15/2007 at 04:46 AM

Oh I would certianly light the Pizza oven for YOU

quote:
quote:
quote:
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I'm Sicilian too. Full blood. Palermo. piacere="pleasure to meet you".



Paisano!!! Piacere! Salerno here.

(Not full-blooded though. Only on my mother's side.)



Hey guys! Do something useful. Whip up a couple of pizzas for us.


I'm a lasagna guy. I could make you a lasagna to die for. In fact, after eating it, a person on the bubble would keel over from clogged arteries. It's that good.



Lasagna is eay. My wife makes good lasagna and she is Polish.


cupofjo - 1/15/2007 at 12:08 PM

quote:
Why do I have a feeling I am about to get "whacked?"





HA HA


cupofjo - 1/15/2007 at 12:13 PM

quote:
quote:
just noticed reading back....are you looking for me? I see you asking where I am?
I am in NYC if you would like to know. And You?


RI.

I'm done with you.

Later.


Hey I am fro RI too Except I am a Yankee fan. I live in Westerly.


RobFilmMusic - 1/15/2007 at 07:00 PM

According to ESPN insider Bonds still has not signed his contract. Hmmmmmmmm..............

quote:
Speed trap?
Jan 12 - Barry Bonds has yet to sign a $15.8 million, one-year contract with the team after both sides reached an agreement in principle five weeks ago, the San Jose Mercury News reports. It has been speculated that a number of factors -- ranging from the presence of Bonds' entourage to the possibility he will be indicted for perjury in the BALCO case -- have held up the deal.

The Giants front office provided no vote of confidence for Bonds after learning of Bonds' failed amphetamines test. Owner Peter Magowan and executive vice president Larry Baer issued a statement saying the team fully supported baseball's stance against performance-enhancing substances.

"Last night was the first time we heard of this recent accusation against Barry Bonds," the statement said.


piacere - 1/15/2007 at 08:25 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
just noticed reading back....are you looking for me? I see you asking where I am?
I am in NYC if you would like to know. And You?


RI.

I'm done with you.

Later.


Hey I am fro RI too Except I am a Yankee fan. I live in Westerly.


one outta two ain't bad.

Westerly's cool. Misquamicut.


cupofjo - 1/16/2007 at 12:54 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
just noticed reading back....are you looking for me? I see you asking where I am?
I am in NYC if you would like to know. And You?


RI.

I'm done with you.

Later.


Hey I am fro RI too Except I am a Yankee fan. I live in Westerly.


one outta two ain't bad.

Westerly's cool. Misquamicut.


Don't forget Roomful of Blues

Speaking of I find a lot of old Italians who are Yankee fans. Here it is very close to 50/50 between Yankees and Red Sox fans.


cupofjo - 1/16/2007 at 12:56 AM

quote:
According to ESPN insider Bonds still has not signed his contract. Hmmmmmmmm..............

quote:
Speed trap?
Jan 12 - Barry Bonds has yet to sign a $15.8 million, one-year contract with the team after both sides reached an agreement in principle five weeks ago, the San Jose Mercury News reports. It has been speculated that a number of factors -- ranging from the presence of Bonds' entourage to the possibility he will be indicted for perjury in the BALCO case -- have held up the deal.

The Giants front office provided no vote of confidence for Bonds after learning of Bonds' failed amphetamines test. Owner Peter Magowan and executive vice president Larry Baer issued a statement saying the team fully supported baseball's stance against performance-enhancing substances.

"Last night was the first time we heard of this recent accusation against Barry Bonds," the statement said.



Nothing would make me happier than him not playing! But it aint happening. He will be there when the season starts.


piacere - 1/16/2007 at 01:13 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
just noticed reading back....are you looking for me? I see you asking where I am?
I am in NYC if you would like to know. And You?


RI.

I'm done with you.

Later.


Hey I am fro RI too Except I am a Yankee fan. I live in Westerly.


one outta two ain't bad.

Westerly's cool. Misquamicut.


Don't forget Roomful of Blues

Speaking of I find a lot of old Italians who are Yankee fans. Here it is very close to 50/50 between Yankees and Red Sox fans.


that's the Joe DiMaggio/Billy Martin factor. Yeah, RI is about 50/50.


ThePeteMan - 1/16/2007 at 01:42 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
just noticed reading back....are you looking for me? I see you asking where I am?
I am in NYC if you would like to know. And You?


RI.

I'm done with you.

Later.


Hey I am fro RI too Except I am a Yankee fan. I live in Westerly.


one outta two ain't bad.

Westerly's cool. Misquamicut.


Don't forget Roomful of Blues

Speaking of I find a lot of old Italians who are Yankee fans. Here it is very close to 50/50 between Yankees and Red Sox fans.


I'm half Italian (but not Sicilian... my Daddy's pepole are from up north in the Piemonte region and Lonato)...

My Pops grew up in Mass, but he was a Boston Braves fan (!)... a local Milford, MA paisan who was his older brother's age made it for a little while w/ the Braves, Hank Cimoli...big source of pride to the local ginzos in the '20s!

Daddy moved to NYC but stayed a Braves fan through their time in Milwaukee, but when the Mets were born that was it. He was a Mets fan from day one and made damn sure I was too! LOL... Daddy HATED the Yankees! (But he loved Phil Rizzuto... )

[Edited on 1/16/2007 by ThePeteMan]


SkyPuppy - 1/16/2007 at 03:30 AM

Dontrell Willis avoids arbitration and signs a one yr, $6 million plus contract with the Marlins.
hmm, what team just stockpiled a load of good young arms to use as trade bait...?


RobFilmMusic - 1/16/2007 at 05:39 AM

quote:
quote:
According to ESPN insider Bonds still has not signed his contract. Hmmmmmmmm..............

quote:
Speed trap?
Jan 12 - Barry Bonds has yet to sign a $15.8 million, one-year contract with the team after both sides reached an agreement in principle five weeks ago, the San Jose Mercury News reports. It has been speculated that a number of factors -- ranging from the presence of Bonds' entourage to the possibility he will be indicted for perjury in the BALCO case -- have held up the deal.

The Giants front office provided no vote of confidence for Bonds after learning of Bonds' failed amphetamines test. Owner Peter Magowan and executive vice president Larry Baer issued a statement saying the team fully supported baseball's stance against performance-enhancing substances.

"Last night was the first time we heard of this recent accusation against Barry Bonds," the statement said.



Nothing would make me happier than him not playing! But it aint happening. He will be there when the season starts.


I wish he wouldn't play too Rob but this just makes you wonder what is going on.


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 05:46 AM

quote:
Dontrell Willis avoids arbitration and signs a one yr, $6 million plus contract with the Marlins.
hmm, what team just stockpiled a load of good young arms to use as trade bait...?




I woudl rather the Yanks get Santana though.
Best pitcher in the game, IMHO

And the Yanks luck aint too good with Florida pitchers


RobFilmMusic - 1/16/2007 at 05:51 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Dontrell Willis avoids arbitration and signs a one yr, $6 million plus contract with the Marlins.
hmm, what team just stockpiled a load of good young arms to use as trade bait...?




I woudl rather the Yanks get Santana though.
Best pitcher in the game, IMHO

And the Yanks luck aint too good with Florida pitchers



The Yankees haven't had luck with many pitchers from anywhere. I think they need to replace whoever is doing their talent evaluations. They need to spend a little more time looking over medical histories.




Did someone say Carl Pavano?


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 05:55 AM

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Dontrell Willis avoids arbitration and signs a one yr, $6 million plus contract with the Marlins.
hmm, what team just stockpiled a load of good young arms to use as trade bait...?




I woudl rather the Yanks get Santana though.
Best pitcher in the game, IMHO

And the Yanks luck aint too good with Florida pitchers



The Yankees haven't had luck with many pitchers from anywhere. I think they need to replace whoever is doing their talent evaluations. They need to spend a little more time looking over medical histories.




Did someone say Carl Pavano?



To quote the Wharfmeister, Eggs Zakk Lee.


eFFFFFF Pavano

Efffffff oTfffffffffffffff

eFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ffffffffffffffilmDude


RobFilmMusic - 1/16/2007 at 05:57 AM

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Dontrell Willis avoids arbitration and signs a one yr, $6 million plus contract with the Marlins.
hmm, what team just stockpiled a load of good young arms to use as trade bait...?




I woudl rather the Yanks get Santana though.
Best pitcher in the game, IMHO

And the Yanks luck aint too good with Florida pitchers



The Yankees haven't had luck with many pitchers from anywhere. I think they need to replace whoever is doing their talent evaluations. They need to spend a little more time looking over medical histories.




Did someone say Carl Pavano?



To quote the Wharfmeister, Eggs Zakk Lee.


eFFFFFF Pavano

Efffffff oTfffffffffffffff

eFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ffffffffffffffilmDude




How dare you.











eFFFFFFFFFFFFF wharFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFy


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 06:02 AM

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Dontrell Willis avoids arbitration and signs a one yr, $6 million plus contract with the Marlins.
hmm, what team just stockpiled a load of good young arms to use as trade bait...?




I woudl rather the Yanks get Santana though.
Best pitcher in the game, IMHO

And the Yanks luck aint too good with Florida pitchers



The Yankees haven't had luck with many pitchers from anywhere. I think they need to replace whoever is doing their talent evaluations. They need to spend a little more time looking over medical histories.




Did someone say Carl Pavano?



To quote the Wharfmeister, Eggs Zakk Lee.


eFFFFFF Pavano

Efffffff oTfffffffffffffff

eFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ffffffffffffffilmDude




How dare you.











eFFFFFFFFFFFFF wharFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFy



Meet me at the Beacon and we can discuss this face to face





WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 06:02 AM

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Dontrell Willis avoids arbitration and signs a one yr, $6 million plus contract with the Marlins.
hmm, what team just stockpiled a load of good young arms to use as trade bait...?




I woudl rather the Yanks get Santana though.
Best pitcher in the game, IMHO

And the Yanks luck aint too good with Florida pitchers



The Yankees haven't had luck with many pitchers from anywhere. I think they need to replace whoever is doing their talent evaluations. They need to spend a little more time looking over medical histories.




Did someone say Carl Pavano?



To quote the Wharfmeister, Eggs Zakk Lee.


eFFFFFF Pavano

Efffffff oTfffffffffffffff

eFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ffffffffffffffilmDude






Huh?



Just because


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 06:03 AM

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Dontrell Willis avoids arbitration and signs a one yr, $6 million plus contract with the Marlins.
hmm, what team just stockpiled a load of good young arms to use as trade bait...?




I woudl rather the Yanks get Santana though.
Best pitcher in the game, IMHO

And the Yanks luck aint too good with Florida pitchers



The Yankees haven't had luck with many pitchers from anywhere. I think they need to replace whoever is doing their talent evaluations. They need to spend a little more time looking over medical histories.




Did someone say Carl Pavano?



To quote the Wharfmeister, Eggs Zakk Lee.


eFFFFFF Pavano

Efffffff oTfffffffffffffff

eFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ffffffffffffffilmDude




How dare you.











eFFFFFFFFFFFFF wharFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFy



Meet me at the Beacon and we can discuss this face to face








Heh heh. No comment.




RobFilmMusic - 1/16/2007 at 06:05 AM

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Dontrell Willis avoids arbitration and signs a one yr, $6 million plus contract with the Marlins.
hmm, what team just stockpiled a load of good young arms to use as trade bait...?




I woudl rather the Yanks get Santana though.
Best pitcher in the game, IMHO

And the Yanks luck aint too good with Florida pitchers



The Yankees haven't had luck with many pitchers from anywhere. I think they need to replace whoever is doing their talent evaluations. They need to spend a little more time looking over medical histories.




Did someone say Carl Pavano?



To quote the Wharfmeister, Eggs Zakk Lee.


eFFFFFF Pavano

Efffffff oTfffffffffffffff

eFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ffffffffffffffilmDude




How dare you.











eFFFFFFFFFFFFF wharFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFy



Meet me at the Beacon and we can discuss this face to face







You got extra tix?


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 06:05 AM

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You got extra tix?


LMAO

Actually, I might if I can upgrade


RobFilmMusic - 1/16/2007 at 06:09 AM

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You got extra tix?


LMAO

Actually, I might if I can upgrade


ok I'll let you know Jelliroll


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 06:11 AM

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You got extra tix?


LMAO

Actually, I might if I can upgrade


ok I'll let you know Jelliroll






Im waiting for my old buddy to show up..


RobFilmMusic - 1/16/2007 at 06:14 AM

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You got extra tix?


LMAO

Actually, I might if I can upgrade


ok I'll let you know Jelliroll






Im waiting for my old buddy to show up..


well good luck with the upgrade...... doubt i'll be able to make the Beacon this year, although there is always a chance.


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 06:20 AM

Thanks Bro.. Hope you can make it.


cupofjo - 1/16/2007 at 12:07 PM

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Dontrell Willis avoids arbitration and signs a one yr, $6 million plus contract with the Marlins.
hmm, what team just stockpiled a load of good young arms to use as trade bait...?




I woudl rather the Yanks get Santana though.
Best pitcher in the game, IMHO

And the Yanks luck aint too good with Florida pitchers



The Yankees haven't had luck with many pitchers from anywhere. I think they need to replace whoever is doing their talent evaluations. They need to spend a little more time looking over medical histories.




Did someone say Carl Pavano?



To quote the Wharfmeister, Eggs Zakk Lee.


eFFFFFF Pavano

Efffffff oTfffffffffffffff

eFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF ffffffffffffffilmDude






Huh?


He cant handle the truth OTF


cupofjo - 1/16/2007 at 12:09 PM

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You got extra tix?


LMAO

Actually, I might if I can upgrade


You are going to Upgrade? Great!! Wharfy is finally going to become a Met fan.




cupofjo - 1/16/2007 at 12:13 PM

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Dontrell Willis avoids arbitration and signs a one yr, $6 million plus contract with the Marlins.





Now this doesnt make any sense. I guess he wasnt watching what was happening with pithcers this off season! He could have easily made more than that.

I guess he would rather piss it away


gondicar - 1/16/2007 at 12:47 PM

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Dontrell Willis avoids arbitration and signs a one yr, $6 million plus contract with the Marlins.





Now this doesnt make any sense. I guess he wasnt watching what was happening with pithcers this off season! He could have easily made more than that.

I guess he would rather piss it away


He wasn't a free agent. If Willis stays healthy, with incentives he will be in position to surpass the $6.5 million salary earned by the Chicago Cubs' Carlos Zambrano in 2006. That's the most money ever for a starting pitcher in his second year of salary arbitration. Last year Willis made a base salary of $4.35 million to break the record for a first-year arbitration eligible starter held by Toronto's Roy Halladay. If he keeps going like he has been and the market stays like it is for pitching, rest assured he'll get a bigger-than-big payday when he hits the open market...question is will be have a "B" or "NY" (choice of two colors/styles on that one) on his hat?


TexGent - 1/16/2007 at 12:48 PM

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You got extra tix?


LMAO

Actually, I might if I can upgrade


You are going to Upgrade? Great!! Wharfy is finally going to become a Met fan.






ROF!!!

Less than a month until pitchers and catchers report to Florida!


cupofjo - 1/16/2007 at 12:55 PM

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Dontrell Willis avoids arbitration and signs a one yr, $6 million plus contract with the Marlins.





Now this doesnt make any sense. I guess he wasnt watching what was happening with pithcers this off season! He could have easily made more than that.

I guess he would rather piss it away


He wasn't a free agent. If Willis stays healthy, with incentives he will be in position to surpass the $6.5 million salary earned by the Chicago Cubs' Carlos Zambrano in 2006. That's the most money ever for a starting pitcher in his second year of salary arbitration. Last year Willis made a base salary of $4.35 million to break the record for a first-year arbitration eligible starter held by Toronto's Roy Halladay. If he keeps going like he has been and the market stays like it is for pitching, rest assured he'll get a bigger-than-big payday when he hits the open market...question is will be have a "B" or "NY" (choice of two colors/styles on that one) on his hat?



Oh I see. That makes sense now.

I would think you could throw the Angels and both Chicago teams into that picture too.

Maybe Toronto?!? They sure have been spending!


SkyPuppy - 1/16/2007 at 01:19 PM

Did someone say Carl Pavano?


Now that Hurt!! But I won't miss a season and a half over it!!
The wussiest Italian I ever saw.
He will never live down what he pulled here.
He's worse than Ed Whitson,..at least Ed went out and TRIED!
I too would love to have Santana instead!!
He is the only pitcher with the better second half record than Pettite!
That would be one hell of a cherry picking


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 03:00 PM

I just cant believe they are giving him another shot this spring.

He is going to get his money either way,so just give it to him and send him on his way.

He is just hogging up a roster spot for someone more deserving.


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 03:00 PM

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You got extra tix?


LMAO

Actually, I might if I can upgrade


You are going to Upgrade? Great!! Wharfy is finally going to become a Met fan.


Ummmm NO.


RobFilmMusic - 1/16/2007 at 05:02 PM

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I just cant believe they are giving him another shot this spring.

He is going to get his money either way,so just give it to him and send him on his way.

He is just hogging up a roster spot for someone more deserving.


Well, they could let him pitch in spring training, compete for a spot. If he comes out of spring training looking ok, trade him even if you just get some scrub minor leauger for him. Somebody would take him the way pitching is going these days. It seems a tad ridiculous to cut pitchers these days since their worth is so inflated.

[Edited on 1/16/2007 by RobFilmMusic]


SkyPuppy - 1/16/2007 at 05:15 PM

Met's sign Ruben Sierra to a Minor Leaugue contract. He's only in his low 40's..still a puppy on the Met's roster.


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 09:24 PM

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Met's sign Ruben Sierra to a Minor Leaugue contract. He's only in his low 40's..still a puppy on the Met's roster.


wtf?? Is this for real?? LMAO

Julio Franco looking for someone to relate to maybe


SkyPuppy - 1/16/2007 at 09:52 PM

oh, it's true..you can laugh harder now.


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 09:55 PM

Well the Yanks are FINALLY getting a little younger.. So thats all I really care about.


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 10:59 PM

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Well the Yanks are FINALLY getting a little younger.. So thats all I really care about.


The Yankees are getting younger? Is Rizzuto making a comeback?


No, but I think Franco is catching up to him


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 11:03 PM

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Well the Yanks are FINALLY getting a little younger.. So thats all I really care about.


The Yankees are getting younger? Is Rizzuto making a comeback?


No, but I think Franco is catching up to him


Franco can still hit. He will be hitting when he is 50.


Good point

Its kind of amazing actually.


SkyPuppy - 1/16/2007 at 11:29 PM

Franco can still hit. He will be hitting when he is 50.

You mean wher he's 60..he's already 52


cupofjo - 1/16/2007 at 11:31 PM

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Well the Yanks are FINALLY getting a little younger.. So thats all I really care about.


The Yankees are getting younger? Is Rizzuto making a comeback?


No, but I think Franco is catching up to him


Franco can still hit. He will be hitting when he is 50.


That is his goal play til he is 50! You have to admire people like him. Like you said he still can contribute


cupofjo - 1/16/2007 at 11:33 PM

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Franco can still hit. He will be hitting when he is 50.

You mean wher he's 60..he's already 52


52?? I dont think so. I know my brain is fried but he is 48. I remember reading an article on him in the post this past summer.


cupofjo - 1/16/2007 at 11:35 PM

Julio Franco
Julio Cesar Franco
born Julio Cesar Robles Franco

Bats Right, Throws Right
Height 6' 0", Weight 165 lb.


Debut April 23, 1982
vs. STL 4 AB, 1 H, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 SB
Born August 23, 1958 in Hato Mayor, D.R.


cupofjo - 1/16/2007 at 11:37 PM

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I just cant believe they are giving him another shot this spring.

He is going to get his money either way,so just give it to him and send him on his way.

He is just hogging up a roster spot for someone more deserving.


But we never seen what he can do! He just might be able to pitch


piacere - 1/16/2007 at 11:38 PM

The Boston Red Sox return to their glorious and rightful spot atop the baseball world in '07.


RobFilmMusic - 1/16/2007 at 11:40 PM

quote:
Julio Franco
Julio Cesar Franco
born Julio Cesar Robles Franco

Bats Right, Throws Right
Height 6' 0", Weight 165 lb.


Debut April 23, 1982
vs. STL 4 AB, 1 H, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 SB
Born August 23, 1958 in Hato Mayor, D.R.


Kind of funny that debuted 6 days after I was born.

quote:
The Boston Red Sox return to their glorious and rightful spot atop the baseball world in '07.


yup


RobFilmMusic - 1/16/2007 at 11:42 PM

Sosa got offered a contract by the Rangers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2733168

not much risk in giving him a minor league contract.

He's got a good chance of hitting a lot balls out in Arlington


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 11:43 PM

quote:
quote:
Julio Franco
Julio Cesar Franco
born Julio Cesar Robles Franco

Bats Right, Throws Right
Height 6' 0", Weight 165 lb.


Debut April 23, 1982
vs. STL 4 AB, 1 H, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 SB
Born August 23, 1958 in Hato Mayor, D.R.


Kind of funny that debuted 6 days after I was born.

quote:
The Boston Red Sox return to their glorious and rightful spot atop the baseball world in '07.


yup


So young.. so naive...


SkyPuppy - 1/16/2007 at 11:55 PM

quote:
Julio Franco
Julio Cesar Franco
born Julio Cesar Robles Franco

Bats Right, Throws Right
Height 6' 0", Weight 165 lb.


Debut April 23, 1982
vs. STL 4 AB, 1 H, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 SB
Born August 23, 1958 in Hato Mayor, D.R.


LOL, I'm just throwing that number out there because you have to get out your Baseball magic decoder ring to figure out the age of a lot of players.
Latin players in particular.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not attacking latins, it's because we don't have access to their Birth Certificates as easily as here, and we can't hide our age as much, although I'm sure a lot would, but it's almost common knowledge they almost ALL lie about their age..lol.
We just add 2-4 yrs to what ever they say they are.
Luis Tiant admitted to lying about his age years later. I really don't think management cares, as long as they can still hit, and
no doubt though, your right...the man can still hit!
But can he sustain all year avoiding injury. A lot of these guys are making the switch from Steriods to HGH, and they can't take amphenimine any more. We are still not sure how this is going to wear on them. The next couple years are going to be very telling.


WharfRat - 1/16/2007 at 11:57 PM

true.

I wonder how old Mariano really is


TexGent - 1/17/2007 at 12:02 AM

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Sosa got offered a contract by the Rangers.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2733168

not much risk in giving him a minor league contract.

He's got a good chance of hitting a lot balls out in Arlington


I like Hidalgo's chances in Minute Maid more than Sosa's.


SkyPuppy - 1/17/2007 at 12:02 AM

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true.

I wonder how old Mariano really is



He's 28 OK!! and he's going to stay 28!!! he's never going to stop pitching!! Never ! You hear me Never!!
Sigh...man, when he's gone, that's it. maybe 2 more Years as "MO" ? I just want him to save the first win at the New Yankee Stadium in '09, and I'll be ok with him retiring
Like Duane..a once in a Lifetimer.


cupofjo - 1/17/2007 at 12:06 AM

quote:
quote:
Julio Franco
Julio Cesar Franco
born Julio Cesar Robles Franco

Bats Right, Throws Right
Height 6' 0", Weight 165 lb.


Debut April 23, 1982
vs. STL 4 AB, 1 H, 0 HR, 0 RBI, 0 SB
Born August 23, 1958 in Hato Mayor, D.R.


LOL, I'm just throwing that number out there because you have to get out your Baseball magic decoder ring to figure out the age of a lot of players.
Latin players in particular.
Don't get me wrong, i'm not attacking latins, it's because we don't have access to their Birth Certificates as easily as here, and we can't hide our age as much, although I'm sure a lot would, but it's almost common knowledge they almost ALL lie about their age..lol.
We just add 2-4 yrs to what ever they say they are.
Luis Tiant admitted to lying about his age years later. I really don't think management cares, as long as they can still hit, and
no doubt though, your right...the man can still hit!
But can he sustain all year avoiding injury. A lot of these guys are making the switch from Steriods to HGH, and they can't take amphenimine any more. We are still not sure how this is going to wear on them. The next couple years are going to be very telling.



You have a point!

Many lie about their age from Central America and the Dominicans etc. In Franco's case he wants to play when he is 50 so if was older I think he would have said something that he lied. He is very proud of the way he keeps his body in shape to do what he does.


WharfRat - 1/17/2007 at 12:09 AM

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quote:
true.

I wonder how old Mariano really is



He's 28 OK!! and he's going to stay 28!!! he's never going to stop pitching!! Never ! You hear me Never!!
Sigh...man, when he's gone, that's it. maybe 2 more Years as "MO" ? I just want him to save the first win at the New Yankee Stadium in '09, and I'll be ok with him retiring
Like Duane..a once in a Lifetimer.


I saw an interview with him last year, and he commented that his goal was to pitch in the "new" Yankee Stadium ..

Like you said.. 2 maybe 3 years tops.

Maybe they will continue to groom Proctor??


cupofjo - 1/17/2007 at 12:17 AM

quote:
quote:
true.

I wonder how old Mariano really is



He's 28 OK!! and he's going to stay 28!!! he's never going to stop pitching!! Never ! You hear me Never!!
Sigh...man, when he's gone, that's it. maybe 2 more Years as "MO" ? I just want him to save the first win at the New Yankee Stadium in '09, and I'll be ok with him retiring
Like Duane..a once in a Lifetimer.


That is going to be a sad day


WharfRat - 1/17/2007 at 12:18 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
true.

I wonder how old Mariano really is



He's 28 OK!! and he's going to stay 28!!! he's never going to stop pitching!! Never ! You hear me Never!!
Sigh...man, when he's gone, that's it. maybe 2 more Years as "MO" ? I just want him to save the first win at the New Yankee Stadium in '09, and I'll be ok with him retiring
Like Duane..a once in a Lifetimer.


That is going to be a sad day


Indeed


SkyPuppy - 1/17/2007 at 01:29 AM

Hey Guys..I heard an interesting thing the other day that made me think (now you know what that noise was).
They (ESPN) were talking about the Hall of Fame, and the automatic numbers...500 homers for players 300 wins for pitchers..those are automatic..right?
Then, they start talking about pitchers today, and how it will be hard for many, if any, to reach the 300 platue anymore, and I have to agree...
So, ( I know you see where I'm going) will they have to set a new bar for pitchers to get in? Does it mean lowering the standards. So many guys around 275 wins aren't in. So what happens to them if the bar is lowered..do they get walked in? Like a Tommy John for example? What about Jack Morris?!! Game seven World Series..you want Don Sutton, Gaylord Perry...or even Nolan Ryan (all in the HOF).. or Jack Morris? No brainer to me.
I would like to hear what you all think. Thanks


crossroad_blues - 1/17/2007 at 02:18 AM

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Hey Guys..I heard an interesting thing the other day that made me think (now you know what that noise was).
They (ESPN) were talking about the Hall of Fame, and the automatic numbers...500 homers for players 300 wins for pitchers..those are automatic..right?
Then, they start talking about pitchers today, and how it will be hard for many, if any, to reach the 300 platue anymore, and I have to agree...
So, ( I know you see where I'm going) will they have to set a new bar for pitchers to get in? Does it mean lowering the standards. So many guys around 275 wins aren't in. So what happens to them if the bar is lowered..do they get walked in? Like a Tommy John for example? What about Jack Morris?!! Game seven World Series..you want Don Sutton, Gaylord Perry...or even Nolan Ryan (all in the HOF).. or Jack Morris? No brainer to me.
I would like to hear what you all think. Thanks


As far as hitting 500 hrs, there are 5 players with 500 or more that are not in the hall. 3 of them are retired. One was eligible this year. As Duane would say, "I wonder who?" The other 2 are Sosa & Palmeiro. Don't think any one of them is getting in soon, particularly Palmeiro. The 2 active players are Bonds* & Griffey, Jr. Both will most likely get in. There could be up to 4 players make it to 500 this year. Frank Thomas, Jim Thome, Manny Ramirez & A-Rod. Sheffield has 455. I can see those 4 getting into the HOF, probably not Sheffield though (unless it's on the oldtimer's ballot in the far future).

But pitchers needing to reach 300 wins? There are plenty of pitchers in the HOF without 300 wins. Jim Palmer comes to mind. 268 wins. Whitey Ford - 236. Bob Feller - 266 (although his career was put on hold for 4 years when he went to war). Catfish Hunter - 224. Sandy Koufax only had 164.

There is only one active pitcher with over 300 wins, Greg Maddux. He is definately in. Roger Clemens is also over 300. (don't know if he's active/retired.....yet). Players who are close are Tom Glavine (290), Randy Johnson (280), Mike Mussina (239), David Wells (230). I say they all have a good chance of getting in, even if they retired tomorrow. John Smoltz has 193. I'd say he'll probably be in one day too.

But I would say that if a pitcher gets to 300 wins he's a lock for the HOF, 'cause everyone that's done is in.


WharfRat - 1/17/2007 at 02:56 AM

I think you also have to take into consideration a pitchers ERA as well.
Nolan Ryan could have even more wins then he did if he had played on better teams.

That being said, even if Glavine and Randy retired today I think they are HOF worthy regardless of the 300 win mark.

As for Jack Morris, I think he was VERY overrated.Yea, that game in 91 is prolly the best performance I have ever seen on the mound.

Sutton, Perry, and Phil Neikro should not be in, IMHO.. Just a product of longetivity.


WharfRat - 1/17/2007 at 02:56 AM

Oh, and looks like a last hurrah

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2732682


Yankee Stadium to host '08 All-Star Game

By Buster Olney
ESPN The Magazine


Yankee Stadium will be the site of the 2008 All-Star Game, sources in baseball said, in the last year of the ballpark.

The new Yankee Stadium is scheduled to open in 2009, and old Yankee Stadium closed, 86 years after the ballpark was first built in 1923, and 33 years after the ballpark was remodeled on the same site in 1976. With the All-Star Game slated to be in an AL park in 2008, officials chose Yankee Stadium for the site, believing it to be an appropriate way to usher out the historic building.

The All-Star Game has been held in Yankee Stadium three times previously, the last time in 1977.

An announcement on the selection of Yankee Stadium is expected in the days ahead, perhaps next week, with Major League Baseball coordinating with the Mayor's office in New York.

Next summer's All-Star Game will be played in San Francisco, and on Monday night, Commissioner Bud Selig formally announced that the 2009 All-Star Game will be played in St. Louis.

Buster Olney is a senior writer at ESPN The Magazine.




[Edited on 1/17/2007 by WharfRat]


SkyPuppy - 1/17/2007 at 02:58 AM

All good points, but you certainly picked the exceptions to the rule

There are plenty of pitchers in the HOF without 300 wins. Jim Palmer comes to mind. 268 wins. Whitey Ford - 236. Bob Feller - 266 (although his career was put on hold for 4 years when he went to war). Catfish Hunter - 224. Sandy Koufax only had 164.
These guys are not compilers, and I guess that is who I am focusing on.
And I always wondered If Koufax had his career backwards ( 6 incredible years first, and then 5 not really good at all), if he would have gotten in so easy? I for one thinks he belongs..But that is a question..
And turn that around and talk about Don Mattingly..he had 6 no question HOF years in a row No question! But they were his first 6, .. his next 5 were awful due to a back injury..caused by Cliff Johnson messing around in the Clubhouse Wrestleling!!!..I hear tell!
If he had his the other way, his last 5 yrs first, and went out with a back injury, AFTER the 6 monster years..I think he would be in!
Don't forget..there are supposed to be intangebles that go along with getting in..not just numbers. representing the game right, dominate at your position for 10 years to name 2...he did those things!!
I may be looking partly through pinstriped glasses, but I don't think i'm too far off base.
Your OBJECTIVE opinion, please.


WharfRat - 1/17/2007 at 03:03 AM

quote:
All good points, but you certainly picked the exceptions to the rule

There are plenty of pitchers in the HOF without 300 wins. Jim Palmer comes to mind. 268 wins. Whitey Ford - 236. Bob Feller - 266 (although his career was put on hold for 4 years when he went to war). Catfish Hunter - 224. Sandy Koufax only had 164.
These guys are not compilers, and I guess that is who I am focusing on.
And I always wondered If Koufax had his career backwards ( 6 incredible years first, and then 5 not really good at all), if he would have gotten in so easy? I for one thinks he belongs..But that is a question..
And turn that around and talk about Don Mattingly..he had 6 no question HOF years in a row No question! But they were his first 6, .. his next 5 were awful due to a back injury..caused by Cliff Johnson messing around in the Clubhouse Wrestleling!!!..I hear tell!
If he had his the other way, his last 5 yrs first, and went out with a back injury, AFTER the 6 monster years..I think he would be in!
Don't forget..there are supposed to be intangebles that go along with getting in..not just numbers. representing the game right, dominate at your position for 10 years to name 2...he did those things!!
I may be looking partly through pinstriped glasses, but I don't think i'm too far off base.
Your OBJECTIVE opinion, please.


You are preaching to the choir man. Donnie is my alltime favorite player without a doubt ( Well, Mickey is close, but I never saw him play )

I just dont see him getting in. His numbers decrease very year.

As for me, I am just happy he is were he belongs right now. In the dugout with the pinstripes on his back, and his #23 retired in Monument Park.


cupofjo - 1/17/2007 at 03:18 AM

I think the 500 HR benchmark will change. I do not think it will be a lock anymore as the steroid era comes into play.

As for the pitching the 300 wins is the golden ticket to the HOF. It is much harder to accomplish that. I still think every once in agreat while it will still be done. As Chuck said many pitchers who havent hit the golden 300 mark are in. I think Pedro will be a shoo-in he has 206 now. He will never reach that mark but he was dominate. Same thing with Curt Schilling. Kenny Rogers has over 200 but he will not get in when he is done. Mike Mussina has 239 If he wins 30 games in 2 years that will put him at 269. Will that be enough? He dominated maybe he will be the first to test that water of the new benchmark for the golden ticket. Will it be 275?

This is a good topic!


WharfRat - 1/17/2007 at 03:31 AM

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Mike Mussina has 239 If he wins 30 games in 2 years that will put him at 269. Will that be enough? He dominated maybe he will be the first to test that water of the new benchmark for the golden ticket. Will it be 275?


I like Moose, but he was never a "dominate" pitcher. I just don't see him getting in.

Personal feelings toward Pedro aside, I think he does get in tho.


I can see the standards changing though.
You have the "specialized pitching" middle relievers, closers, etc.. That cost starters wins.
Not to mention the 5 man rotation, so there are even less opportunities.
I can see the bar being lowered to maybe 250-275 to accommodate that..

Also, there are going to be ALOT of closers on the ballot in the nect 10 years most likely.. Mariano, Hoffman among others. I think it is only a matter of time before some start getting in.

As for HRs.. that really needs to change due to Roids..

Here is a good question..... What does MLB ( and the HOF) do if Barry* is PROVEN to take steroids?? I would HOPE that they would do the right thing and banish all of his records, but I don't see that happening..








Can yall tell I am ready for baseball season to start??

( Insert wiseass Otie, Mark,RobFilm, Gondy comment here )

[Edited on 1/17/2007 by WharfRat]


TexGent - 1/17/2007 at 05:01 AM

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I think you also have to take into consideration a pitchers ERA as well.
Nolan Ryan could have even more wins then he did if he had played on better teams.

That being said, even if Glavine and Randy retired today I think they are HOF worthy regardless of the 300 win mark.

As for Jack Morris, I think he was VERY overrated.Yea, that game in 91 is prolly the best performance I have ever seen on the mound.

Sutton, Perry, and Phil Neikro should not be in, IMHO.. Just a product of longetivity.


You have to consider how dominating a player is during his era in addition to the basic stats. That's why Glavine and Johnson should certainly be in the hall. (Ask me sometime about the best half-year rental player the Astros ever had ).

Longevity (or lack thereof) can certainly be part of a legitimate argument for/against a player.

quote:
Also, there are going to be ALOT of closers on the ballot in the nect 10 years most likely.. Mariano, Hoffman among others. I think it is only a matter of time before some start getting in.


Both the Goose and Lee Smith should be in the hall already.

quote:
Can yall tell I am ready for baseball season to start??


29 more days ....


cupofjo - 1/17/2007 at 12:29 PM

quote:
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Mike Mussina has 239 If he wins 30 games in 2 years that will put him at 269. Will that be enough? He dominated maybe he will be the first to test that water of the new benchmark for the golden ticket. Will it be 275?


I like Moose, but he was never a "dominate" pitcher. I just don't see him getting in.




I should have read that when I posted. I meant I think he will test the waters for the new goldent ticket to get in. Pitchers who get to 300 are automatic. Since this is going to be few and far between...........I think he will make a good case for the 250 - 275 mark who are consistantly good or on the cusp of being great. He W-L record speaks for itself
W 239 L 134. For 15 years he has won double digits every year.

Look at his stats He quietly built up some impressive numbers. Copied from Wikipedia below:

He is fifth among all active pitchers in wins (239) and shutouts (23), sixth in complete games (57), seventh in strikeouts (2,572), eighth in innings (3,210.1), ninth in walks per 9 IP (2.02) and batters faced (13,118), and tenth in won-lost percentage (.641),

Through 2006, he is tied for fifth in the major leagues in shutouts (7), seventh in walks per 9 IP (1.83), ninth in wins (75), tied for tenth in games started (159), and thirteenth in strikeouts per 9 IP (7.91).


Near greatness

Aside from his several near-perfect outings, Mussina is known to be a great pitcher who has had several brushes with excellence.

* Never won 20 games in a season, but won 19 twice and 18 three times. Reliever Armando Benitez blew the save in Mussina's last start in 1996, which would have been win number 20.
* Never led the league in ERA, but has placed in the top 10 several times.
* Never won a Cy Young award, but has placed in the top five six times.
* Never won a World Series


No I am not a huge Mike Mussina fan I am just stating a case for him.


cupofjo - 1/17/2007 at 12:30 PM

quote:


quote:
Can yall tell I am ready for baseball season to start??


29 more days ....






WharfRat - 1/17/2007 at 03:03 PM

quote:
Both the Goose and Lee Smith should be in the hall already.



Goose should get in next year

Lee Smith I am not so sure. The votes for Goose have risen every year, Lee's have not.


WharfRat - 1/17/2007 at 03:05 PM

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W 239 L 134. For 15 years he has won double digits every year


Wow, I didnt realize his winning % was that good. I just dont see him wanting to pitch long enough to get close to 300. I think this is the last year of his contract with the Yanks, so we will see what he does after the season..


RobFilmMusic - 1/17/2007 at 05:07 PM

quote:


29 more days ....



Thats pitchers and catchers right?


Spring Training is one big cock tease to me.


SkyPuppy - 1/17/2007 at 09:59 PM

Thats pitchers and catchers right?

AND WHICH ONE ARE YOU??..

LOL! SORRY, It was a hanging curve, I had to hit it!


SkyPuppy - 1/17/2007 at 10:05 PM

The Moose is so on the fence. What did he sign..3 yrs? avg 15 per...win a ring,.. or two.
yeah..he could make it!
2003..game 7 American leaugue championship series..comes in relief ..lol (Torre promised him he wouldn't bring him in a middle of an inning) 2 men on..no outs...we're down already, and gets out of it. He made the Yankee HOF off that one...AAron F****** Boone!!!


cupofjo - 1/17/2007 at 10:51 PM

Moose signed for two more years.


SkyPuppy - 1/17/2007 at 10:58 PM

cool..grazie.

quote:
Moose signed for two more years.



cupofjo - 1/17/2007 at 11:01 PM

Braves trade LaRoche to Bucs for Gonzalez.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2734082


SkyPuppy - 1/17/2007 at 11:04 PM

..was just coming back to post that... I know the Braves were after Milky, hmmmm...ya think?


cupofjo - 1/17/2007 at 11:18 PM

I hope not! I would rather have them keep him. But if they trade him I would rather get a starter instead. Dontrelle or Santana come to mind. If they are willing to trade them.


SkyPuppy - 1/17/2007 at 11:47 PM

yeah..I know, but this kid Gonzalaz can be the next heir to the throne..Mo's throne.
The few times I seen him pitch, he really opened my eyes. I love Milkey, have a "got Milkey ?" tee shirt , and he looks special..but an arm like this. I might have to do it.
Dontrell I think would be the one available because of the 1 year deal, and he could DH, or pich hit..lol
The Twins with Liriano out can't trade Santana now if they wanted to.
It's going to be a very interesting yr..
2008 ALL STAR GAME, TO BE HELD AT YANKEE STADIUM!! THE STADIUMS LAST YEAR!
WOW...THAT GAME COULD PAY FOR HALF MY SEASON TICKETS!!..HA, I'LL SELL ALL 4!

[Edited on 1/17/2007 by SkyPuppy]


gondicar - 1/18/2007 at 01:25 AM

Deals closed by a couple closers...

Lidge, Astros avoid arbitration
Closer Brad Lidge and the Houston Astros came to terms on a one-year, $5.35 million contract Tuesday and avoided arbitration hearings, according to the Globe's Nick Cafardo. The Red Sox have shown an interest in Lidge this offseason, but Houston G.M. Tim Purpura has insisted he would not part with his closer.

Gonzalez, Pirates agree to terms
Closer Mike Gonzalez agreed to terms with the Pittsburgh Pirates for 2007, avoiding salary arbitration. Gonzalez will make $2.35 million this season, up from $347,000 in 2006.


WharfRat - 1/18/2007 at 03:10 AM

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..was just coming back to post that... I know the Braves were after Milky, hmmmm...ya think?


God, I hope they dont trade Melky.. That kid has talent AND a good attitude. Thats kind of hard to come by these days


cupofjo - 1/18/2007 at 03:17 AM

quote:
quote:
..was just coming back to post that... I know the Braves were after Milky, hmmmm...ya think?


God, I hope they dont trade Melky.. That kid has talent AND a good attitude. Thats kind of hard to come by these days


Not only that. He can PLAY in NY! Many cant!


WharfRat - 1/18/2007 at 03:20 AM

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quote:
quote:
..was just coming back to post that... I know the Braves were after Milky, hmmmm...ya think?


God, I hope they dont trade Melky.. That kid has talent AND a good attitude. Thats kind of hard to come by these days


Not only that. He can PLAY in NY! Many cant!


I think Abreu's contract is only through 07.. I am thinking either they extend that by the trading dreadline or he is gone..

I like him, but would rather have Melky out there. Much younger,more of a future


cupofjo - 1/18/2007 at 03:27 AM

Abreu is only signed through this year? If they keep Melky they will not resign him.

Remember Cashman's new motto. Younger and cheaper


WharfRat - 1/18/2007 at 03:30 AM

Abreu has a 16M option( club) for 08

I dont see that happening

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/new-york-yankees_11139816867886004 0.html


Bobby Abreu of
5 years/$64M (2003-07), plus $16M 2008 club option

acquired in trade 7/06
Yankees to pay salary remaining on Abreu's contract (about $4.4M for 2006, $15M for 2007 and $16M salary or $2M buyout for 2008)
Phillies to pay Abreu about $1.5M to waive his no-trade clause

$3M signing bonus
03:$8.5M, 04:$10M, 05:$12.5M, 06:$13M, 07:$15M,
08:$16M club option ($2M buyout)
complete no-trade clause

MVP incentive: $0.275M for 1st, $0.15M for 2nd, $0.1M for 3rd
3 years/$14.2M (2000-02)
$1M signing bonus
00:$2.6M, 01:$4.65, 02:$6M
agent: Peter Greenberg

ML service: 9.165


[Edited on 1/18/2007 by WharfRat]


TexGent - 1/18/2007 at 05:46 AM

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quote:
quote:
Both the Goose and Lee Smith should be in the hall already.



Goose should get in next year

Lee Smith I am not so sure. The votes for Goose have risen every year, Lee's have not.



And that's just wrong. Smith belongs in there as much as any reliever.


You're both right on target.
Goose will get in ... ... as he deserves.
And Smith will be left out ... ... and that IS just wrong.


cupofjo - 1/18/2007 at 11:56 AM

quote:
Abreu has a 16M option( club) for 08

I dont see that happening

http://mlbcontracts.blogspot.com/2005/01/new-york-yankees_11139816867886004 0.html


[Edited on 1/18/2007 by WharfRat]



Yep you are right. I dont seee that happening unless he has a huge year.


ozzypie - 1/18/2007 at 03:30 PM

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Doesn't matter. How many HOF'er retired while active?



All of them except for Clemente.


That's my point. Why make an exception for him? Why not wait 5 years like everyone else? Was he so much more exceptional than anyone else? No. Why is Clemente so much more deserving than anyone else? Because he died?



Not just because he died, but more importantly the circumstances of his death...

December 31, 1999

Tonight is not only New Year’s Eve and the last night of the 20th Century, but also the 27th anniversary of Roberto Clemente’s tragic death. Though the Pittsburgh Pirate right fielder did plenty on the field to leave behind a strong legacy, it was his off-the-field contributions that touched the hearts of everyone – even if it took until the very end to realize it.

Clemente, an ever-so proud black Puerto Rican, worked tirelessly to help his people and try to erase bigotry toward his race. He once said, "I work with the rich and live among the poor." Believe him!

His death is how most people remember Clemente; that he sacrificed his own life to save the life of others. There is certainly honor and admiration in that.

Others choose to remember his cannon arm, which helped Clemente garner 12 consecutive Gold Gloves. Others choose to remember his non-scientific swing, which netted nothing but line drives to the tune of four batting titles, 12 All-Star selections, an MVP Award and exactly 3,000 hits.

"We're never going to see another Roberto Clemente," said fellow Latin Hall of Famer Juan Marichal. "I saw Roberto play right field, but nobody can play right field like Roberto Clemente. I always say there is only one Willie Mays and only one Roberto Clemente."

Others choose to remember his hustle, his desire to win and his drive to be recognized for the sake and pride of his people. Others simply choose to remember him by how he personally touched them.

For those reasons, Clemente is still recognized as one of the world's best-known and remembered humanitarians, illuminating in our heart even more as our world loses a bit of its innocence each day.

Yes, Clemente’s deeds over the final week of his life proved just how big his heart was. But it should never be forgotten that he was a giver of the first rank his entire adult life. He gave and gave and gave…and the giving began way before his last night on this earth.

In the book REMEMBER ROBERTO, teammate Willie Stargell told author Jim O’Brien, “He was a giver. He wanted to help where there was help needed. And he was easy to approach. … He was very proud of where he came from, and felt that he was representing all Puerto Ricans. He often referred to his people in public forums. That’s why his people loved him so much.”

As a matter of fact, one of his principal philosophies on life was: "Any time you have the opportunity to accomplish something for someone and you don’t, you are wasting your time on this earth". On December 31, 1972, Clemente was aboard a plane - filled with medical aid, food and clothes – headed toward earthquake-stricken Nicaragua.

Eight days prior, an earthquake measuring 6.2 on the Richter scale struck Managua, Nicaragua, leaving a quarter-million residents homeless. Managua did indeed receive fast help. Other Latin American countries sent aid and United States President Richard Nixon ordered the Army and Air Force to organize relief efforts.

However, it was reported that Nicaraguan dictator Anastasio Somoza Debayle was stealing first aid supplies and selling them. This did not sit well with Clemente, who decided to do something about this injustice. He cut short his holiday celebrations and set up his own relief efforts.

While many were occupied unwrapping their gifts and preparing for their New Year’s Eve party, Clemente worked with a great purpose to help collect goods for the needy in Managua. “New Year’s Eve is one of the most sacred days in Puerto Rico, where everyone spends time with their families,” Stargell told O’Brien. “For him to do that, it was totally out of character in terms of the tradition of his country. But he said, ‘Hey, I’m very fortunate that I have my family, and I want to do something for people less fortunate.’ ”

On the last day of 1972, Clemente boarded a DC-7 in San Juan, Puerto Rico. It was packed with the supplies that he helped gather. His motto was, "Nobody is stealing anything from Roberto Clemente".

It took a special breed of a human being to go through with this. Upon seeing Pirate teammate Manny Sanguillen during this crisis, Clemente asked the young catcher if he wanted to go along and help out. The youngster, who idolized Clemente, agreed but never got to the airport in time.

Shortly after taking off at 9:20 p.m., the overloaded plane and its suspended pilot had some trouble controlling its 16,000 pounds of cargo, which reportedly shifted from one side to the other. A few seconds later, one of the engines caught fire as the DC-7 plunged into the Atlantic Ocean off the island’s coast.

Clemente’s 38-year-old body was never found.

His family and friends were shocked. Sanguillen, who had found a brother in the helpful Clemente, was in complete denial. He dove into the waters searching for the body, searching for his friend, searching for the stalwart who couldn’t possibly die. Sanguillen, who refused to end his search, had to be pulled away from the waters by his friends.

Clemente's teammates in Pittsburgh, who were enjoying the New Year’s Eve party at Stargell’s house, went from a loud and festive bunch to a silenced group of men relegated to an emotional ebb. Al Oliver, another teammate whom Clemente had touched and helped, couldn’t stop crying for three days.

In the book ROBERTO CLEMENTE THE GREAT ONE, Commissioner Bowie Kuhn told author Bruce Markusen, “Well, I remember being stunned by the news. I mean, it just seemed so impossible. Clemente was immortal. He wasn’t going to die in an airplane crash. I was shocked.”

Roberto’s youngest kid, who told his father not to go on the plane since he dreamt it would crash, lost a great role model. Puerto Rico was silenced. The city of Pittsburgh had lost a hero. Major League Baseball lost a warrior. The world lost a great humanitarian.

Clemente was so much more than a baseball player. While many athletes concerned themselves with rest and relaxation during the off-season, Clemente befriended civil rights leader Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. to discuss issues relating to minorities in society as early as 1964. They would frequently meet at Clemente’s restaurant in Carolina, Puerto Rico.

“In the quarter century since Clemente passed away, no one has really stepped in to fill the moral void – the moral role – that he held when he played the game,” journalist Marcos Breton told Markusen.

During the eulogy, Kuhn said, “He gave the term 'complete' a new meaning. He made the word 'superstar' seem inadequate. He had about him the touch of royalty."

Two weeks after the tragedy, the Hall of Fame waived the customary five-year waiting period and elected Clemente. President of Baseball Writers Association of America Joe Heiling found no reason to wait for the obvious.

“He would have been elected and inducted in his first year eligible; so why wait?”

Twenty-seven years later, the pain is still hard to swallow. Reality is still difficult to come to grips with. Clemente still lives in the hearts of many and is an international hero for all. That’s why the highest sportsmanship and community activism award in baseball bears his name - the Roberto Clemente Award.

Kuhn, a rather stoic individual who would later be criticized for not attending Hank Aaron’s home run record-breaking game, seemed especially touched and moved by Clemente’s significance, and it came out in his address that August at the Hall of Fame induction ceremonies.

“So very great was he as a player. So very great was he a leader. So very great was he a humanitarian in the cause of his fellow men. So very great was he an inspiration to the young and to all of us in baseball and throughout the world of sports. And so very great was his devotion to young people everywhere and particularly to the young people of his native island of Puerto Rico. Having said all those words, they are very inadequate to describe the real greatness of Roberto Walker Clemente.”

As you're sharing a wonderful experience tonight with family and friends, think of what Clemente gave up and sacrificed.

***********************************************************************

Details of his special election to the Hall Of Fame....


Clemente First Latin Player Elected to the Hall of Fame
By Bruce Markusen

In the direct aftermath of the unexpected death of Roberto Clemente in a New Year's Eve plane crash, the Cleveland Plain Dealer became one of the first media outlets to champion the cause of a special Hall of Fame election for the deceased superstar. "It would mean breaking a rule or two," the newspaper's editor wrote in its January 2, 1973 edition, "but under the circumstances, the baseball writers might want to consider immediate enshrinement in the Hall of Fame."

Jack Lang, the secretary-treasurer of the Baseball Writers' Association of America (BBWAA) at the time, announced that his organization would explore the possibility of holding a special ballot. The president of the BBWAA, Joe Heiling, supported the idea. "He would have been elected and inducted in his first year eligible," said Heiling, comparing Clemente to first-ballot Hall of Famers like Sandy Koufax and Stan Musial. "So why wait?" Commissioner Bowie Kuhn, having been contacted by the Baseball Writers, added his support to the movement for a special election.

At the time, the writers were in the midst of holding their regular Hall of Fame election, and about 30 writers had already returned ballots with Clemente's name written in, even though no decision had been made on his eligibility. The write-in votes for Clemente indicated the growing support for his election by the writers.

Under the Hall of Fame's election rules at the time, players had to wait five years after the end of their playing careers before they could become eligible. Yet, Lang cited a precedent involving New York Yankees' great Lou Gehrig. In 1939, the writers had waived the traditional waiting period so that Gehrig, who was dying from Amyotrophic Lateral Sclerosis (ALS), could enter the Hall of Fame before his passing.

On January 3, the Hall of Fame's Board of Directors announced that it had amended its eligibility rules in the case of Clemente, and would allow the BBWAA to hold a special election. On March 20, 1973, 30 years ago this week, the BBWAA announced that Clemente had received 393 out of 424 votes on ballots cast-good for 93 percent of the vote-which put him well over the 75 percent required for election. Only six previous Hall of Famers had received a higher percentage of the vote at the time: Ty Cobb, Babe Ruth, Honus Wagner, Bob Feller, Ted Williams and Stan Musial.

Of the 31 "non-votes" in the Clemente election, about half of the writers attached explanatory notes stating they were not actually voting against Clemente, but against the decision to waive the five-year waiting period.

Six years after Clemente's election, the tragic death of Yankee star Thurman Munson once again raised awareness of the Hall of Fame's election rules. By then, the Hall of Fame had already altered its voting procedure for such tragic circumstances. In August 1973, the Hall instituted a new rule that allowed a deceased player to become eligible for the next regular election scheduled to occur at least six months after the player's date of death. Munson, who also died in a plane crash-on August 2, 1979-and coincidentally was Clemente's teammate with the San Juan Senators during the 1969-1970 winter league season, thus became eligible for the Hall's ballot for the first time in 1981.

On August 6, 1973, fans, baseball dignitaries and Pirate officials gathered in Cooperstown to witness the induction of Clemente into the game's shrine. Clemente's Pirate teammates also attended the ceremony. (As a tribute to Clemente, the Hall of Fame and the National League had agreed to substitute the Pirates for the Phillies in the annual Hall of Fame Game scheduled for later in the day.) Ironically, Clemente's induction coincided with that of Monte Irvin, his boyhood hero. Also inducted that day were Billy Evans, George Kelly, Warren Spahn and Mickey Welch. Standing at the podium in front of thousands of onlookers, Commissioner Bowie Kuhn read from Clemente's newly created Hall of Fame plaque:

"Roberto Walker Clemente, Pittsburgh National League 1955-1972. Member of the exclusive 3,000-hit club. He led the National League in batting four times. He had four seasons with 200 or more hits while posting a lifetime average of .317. He hit 240 home runs. He won the Most Valuable Player award in 1966. Rifle-armed defensive star set the National League mark by pacing outfielders in assists five years. He batted .362 in two World Series, hitting safely in all 14 games."

After paraphrasing the words that appeared on the plaque, Kuhn continued his address. "The directors of the Hall of Fame unanimously elected to waive the five-year waiting rule in the case of this very remarkable man. So very great was he as a player, so very great was he as a leader, so very great was he as a humanitarian in the cause of his fellow men, so very great was he as an inspiration to the young and to all of us in baseball and throughout the world of sports, and so very great was his devotion to young people everywhere and particularly to the young people of his native island of Puerto Rico. Having said all those words, they are very inadequate to describe the real greatness of Roberto Walker Clemente. We are very deeply honored to have his wife, Vera Clemente, with us here today."

The voice of Commissioner Kuhn, normally a stoic and reserved public speaker, wavered slightly throughout his address to those who had gathered in Cooper Park in front of the Hall of Fame's Library. "The ceremonies brought back the death and the poignancy of the death of Clemente-too soon and tragically. And I think that's what you were hearing. To me, we in baseball had simply lost one of the greatest players that we've had, one of the greatest personalities that we had, and the tragedy of it was still, I think, in my mind. It no doubt manifested itself in what I had to say and the way I said it. I'm quite clear that that would be an accurate description of how I felt," Kuhn said.

In her remarks during the ceremony, Vera Clemente said, "I want to thank the commissioner of baseball, the members of the Hall of Fame, the baseball writers, the Pittsburgh Pirates' organization and all the people who made this event possible, especially Roberto's fans who were the inspiration of his baseball career. This is a momentous last triumph, and if he were here, he would dedicate it to our people of Puerto Rico, our people in Pittsburgh, and to all his fans throughout the United States. Thank you."

With his election and induction now complete, Clemente became the first Latin American to gain enshrinement in the Hall of Fame. He would be joined in later years by Cuban Negro League star Martin Dihigo, Dominican pitcher Juan Marichal, Venezuelan shortstop Luis Aparicio, Panamanian infielder Rod Carew, Cuban slugger Tony Perez, and fellow Puerto Rican Orlando Cepeda. After the 1973 ceremony, Vera tried to offer a further reaction to her husband's history-making induction. "I have difficulty expressing the way I really feel," Vera told reporters. "It's not just for me and my children. It's a goal for all Latin American children, too."

Bruce Markusen is manager of program presentations at the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum and is the author of Roberto Clemente: The Great One, published by Sports Publishing.











RobFilmMusic - 1/19/2007 at 01:18 AM

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Thats pitchers and catchers right?

AND WHICH ONE ARE YOU??..

LOL! SORRY, It was a hanging curve, I had to hit it!



FOOOOOUUUUUUUUUUL BALL

"Jon, it looks like SkyPuupy needs to spend some more time in the cages. He's taking some awfully bad swings at these pitches and looking foolish while doing it."

"Yes Jon, he's also having a hard time hitting those quote button pitches. It seems like everytime one comes by he just doesn't know what to do with it and ends up swinging right over the ball."


cupofjo - 1/19/2007 at 02:34 AM

I heard Mike and the Maddog when they had a show on Clemente.

Amazing what he did on and off the field. Such a tragedy.


crossroad_blues - 1/19/2007 at 02:40 AM

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I heard Mike and the Maddog when they had a show on Clemente.

Amazing what he did on and off the field. Such a tragedy.


I agree that it was a tragedy. Just wish they didn't change the rules because of it.


WharfRat - 1/19/2007 at 03:02 AM

Can we please not bring that up again


cupofjo - 1/19/2007 at 03:11 AM

Ok Government throwing there weight around again! Saying if they don't get cooperation in probe they will step in. I wish they would just drop it

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2735234


WharfRat - 1/19/2007 at 03:20 AM

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Ok Government throwing there weight around again! Saying if they don't get cooperation in probe they will step in. I wish they would just drop it

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2735234


I dont.

The owners need to fess up with what they know. This crap has been goin on too long.


ThePeteMan - 1/19/2007 at 03:24 AM

I find myself agreeing with the whiskered Yankee fan on that one, Yankus Norvegicus over here.


WharfRat - 1/19/2007 at 03:28 AM


Hi Pete

Looks like the Giants are back tracking on Barry's*** offer

Sweeet.. let him ROT.


cupofjo - 1/19/2007 at 03:30 AM

My problem is they are only doing this because Bonds is going to break the HR record. I hate the guy I know that is a strong word but I do.

If they targeted all sports and implement same rules across the board then I wouldn't have problem.


WharfRat - 1/19/2007 at 03:33 AM

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My problem is they are only doing this because Bonds is going to break the HR record. I hate the guy I know that is a strong word but I do.

If they targeted all sports and implement same rules across the board then I wouldn't have problem.



Baseball's testing is the WORST in all of sports. Again, the owners have turned a blind eye long enough.. Im sure some Yanks will get burned too ( Giambi) bit I dont care.
Get these bastards either cleaned up, or kick them out of the game.




Ok, I feel better now


ThePeteMan - 1/19/2007 at 03:33 AM

I'd like to see Barry swing...





































the way Saddam did on the cell phone video!


WharfRat - 1/19/2007 at 03:34 AM



LMFAO


crossroad_blues - 1/19/2007 at 03:37 AM

quote:
I'd like to see Barry swing...



the way Saddam did on the cell phone video!


Barry's* head's too big; it would pop of like Saddam's brother's did.


cupofjo - 1/19/2007 at 03:39 AM

LMAO


cupofjo - 1/19/2007 at 03:40 AM

I bet his head is pretty close or bigger than Kevin Mench's head is now!


WharfRat - 1/19/2007 at 03:42 AM

quote:
quote:
I'd like to see Barry swing...



the way Saddam did on the cell phone video!


Barry's* head's too big; it would pop of like Saddam's brother's did.




piacere - 1/19/2007 at 03:46 AM

Boston Red Sox. World Series Champions. '07 !!!!


WharfRat - 1/19/2007 at 03:48 AM

quote:
Boston Red Sox. World Series Champions. '07 !!!!


Gave up on the Pats already?


crossroad_blues - 1/19/2007 at 03:50 AM

quote:
I bet his head is pretty close or bigger than Kevin Mench's head is now!




Actual team photo.............................honest!


cupofjo - 1/19/2007 at 03:52 AM


WharfRat - 1/19/2007 at 03:52 AM



Exact replica


crossroad_blues - 1/19/2007 at 03:54 AM

quote:
quote:
Boston Red Sox. World Series Champions. '07 !!!!


Gave up on the Pats already?


No. He's right.

The BoSox only win once a century, so he obviously means 3007.


WharfRat - 1/19/2007 at 03:56 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Boston Red Sox. World Series Champions. '07 !!!!


Gave up on the Pats already?


No. He's right.

The BoSox only win once a century, so he obviously means 3007.



LMAO!!!!


TexGent - 1/19/2007 at 05:09 AM

quote:
quote:
Ok Government throwing there weight around again! Saying if they don't get cooperation in probe they will step in. I wish they would just drop it

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2735234


I dont.

The owners need to fess up with what they know. This crap has been goin on too long.


quote:

Baseball's testing is the WORST in all of sports. Again, the owners have turned a blind eye long enough.. Im sure some Yanks will get burned too ( Giambi) bit I dont care.
Get these bastards either cleaned up, or kick them out of the game.


The Yank speaks the truth again. And it is very rare I believe more government intervention is a good thing.

(Did I really say that out loud? That's twice this week Wharfy! )


cupofjo - 1/19/2007 at 12:22 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Ok Government throwing there weight around again! Saying if they don't get cooperation in probe they will step in. I wish they would just drop it

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2735234


I dont.

The owners need to fess up with what they know. This crap has been goin on too long.


quote:

Baseball's testing is the WORST in all of sports. Again, the owners have turned a blind eye long enough.. Im sure some Yanks will get burned too ( Giambi) bit I dont care.
Get these bastards either cleaned up, or kick them out of the game.


The Yank speaks the truth again. And it is very rare I believe more government intervention is a good thing.

(Did I really say that out loud? That's twice this week Wharfy! )


I agree with it being the worst. But it has to be all sports. The NFL is just as bad as is the NBA. I am sure Hockey has its problems too.


SkyPuppy - 1/19/2007 at 01:19 PM

I would not want to be Bud Selig, when he has to walk on the field sometime in June, or July and congratulate Bond's for #756..that is going to be a sad day. Henry Aaron say's he won't attend...will baseball force him to...can they?
Testing in MLB is a joke. They have already moved on to taking HGH which can only be detected in the blood, and BB does not test blood, only urine. Until they implement a testing method like the US Olymipics, it will continue to be a joke.
I just recieved my tickets for January 31st which is for the Thurman Munson foundation for Retarded children at the Sheraton NYC. It is a great night, with many Yankee stars, past and present. I'm sure this will be the top topic discussed amonst the tables.
I will give you all the lowdown the day after. The old timers dont have much to say..they have been doing greenies(uppers) since the 50's, and if there were steroids readily available, some of them would have done those too!


ozzypie - 1/19/2007 at 01:59 PM

quote:
quote:
I heard Mike and the Maddog when they had a show on Clemente.

Amazing what he did on and off the field. Such a tragedy.


I agree that it was a tragedy. Just wish they didn't change the rules because of it.


Did you have a problem when they did the same thing, years earlier, so Lou Gerhig would go in before he died?


WharfRat - 1/19/2007 at 02:10 PM

quote:
Henry Aaron say's he won't attend...will baseball force him to...can they?



I will lose all respect for the man if he does show up.

[Edited on 1/19/2007 by WharfRat]


SkyPuppy - 1/19/2007 at 03:27 PM

Bob Gibson on WFAN 66 10:30 am!!!


TexGent - 1/19/2007 at 03:48 PM

quote:
quote:
Henry Aaron say's he won't attend...will baseball force him to...can they?



I will all respect for the man if he does show up.


Part of a column from the Richard Justice of the Houston Chronicle:

http://chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/justice/baseball/4472889.html

And what about Aaron?
Selig is going to have to recognize Bonds as baseball's new home run king. He'll have to smile and make a speech, pose for photographs and treat it as a historic moment. He'll have to decide whether to invite Hank Aaron to share the pain.

Aaron wants nothing to do with Bonds, but he has been Selig's friend for four decades. If Selig asks, Aaron will be there. He won't like it, but he'll be there.

Selig despises Bonds. He might not despise him personally, but he certainly despises what Bonds represents. For one thing, Bonds reminds Selig of his failings as commissioner.


SkyPuppy - 1/19/2007 at 03:54 PM

Until we have a Commissioner who is not hired by the owners, it doesn't matter who he is..he will still be a puppet.

Best Bob Gibson story: When Tim Mc Carver was going out to the mound to talk to Gibson in the middle of one of his few jams, Before Tim could get halway to the mound, Gibson snarls "get back behind the plate, all you know about Pitching is you can't hit it!"


ThePeteMan - 1/19/2007 at 04:31 PM

quote:
[
Part of a column from the Richard Justice of the Houston Chronicle:



Hey Beavis... heh heh ...

He said, "Dick Justice..."

heh heh..


TexGent - 1/19/2007 at 04:33 PM

quote:
Until we have a Commissioner who is not hired by the owners, it doesn't matter who he is..he will still be a puppet.


As a good start the owners could re-implement the clause that gives the commissioner the power to act in the best interest of the game. Funny how things went downhill after that was removed.


gondicar - 1/19/2007 at 04:56 PM

quote:
Best Bob Gibson story: When Tim Mc Carver was going out to the mound to talk to Gibson in the middle of one of his few jams, Before Tim could get halway to the mound, Gibson snarls "get back behind the plate, all you know about Pitching is you can't hit it!"



LMAO!

Now nearly 40 years later that could easily read "get out from behind the mic, all you know about Pitching is absolutely NOTHING!"


WharfRat - 1/19/2007 at 05:17 PM

quote:
quote:
Best Bob Gibson story: When Tim Mc Carver was going out to the mound to talk to Gibson in the middle of one of his few jams, Before Tim could get halway to the mound, Gibson snarls "get back behind the plate, all you know about Pitching is you can't hit it!"



LMAO!

Now nearly 40 years later that could easily read "get out from behind the mic, all you know about Pitching is absolutely NOTHING!"



LMFAO!! I could not agree more


gondicar - 1/19/2007 at 09:13 PM

Samardzija picks Cubs over football
Notre Dame receiver signs 5-year contract, might still pursue NFL career
The Associated Press
Updated: 4:03 p.m. ET Jan 19, 2007

CHICAGO - Jeff Samardzija decided to give up football and stay with baseball.

The former Notre Dame receiver, projected as a first-round pick in the NFL draft this April, agreed Friday to a $10 million, five-year contract to pitch for the Chicago Cubs.

“Baseball is my first love. I played it my whole life,” Samardzija said.

Samardzija, 21 year-old right-hander, was the Cubs’ fifth-round pick in last year’s amateur draft and made seven starts for their Class A teams at Boise and Peoria last summer, posting a 2.70 ERA.

He returned to Notre Dame and helped the Irish make the Sugar Bowl, catching 78 passes for 1,017 yards. He also played baseball during his career at Notre Dame

His deal includes a $2.5 million signing bonus and the Cubs hold options for a sixth and seventh seasons in 2012 and 2013. If the options are exercised, the deal would be worth $16.5 million over seven years.

Samardzija said there would be no returning to football, even though he’s headed for a stint in the minor leagues, probably starting at Class A Daytona after spring training. The deal also includes a no-trade clause.

“He has offered at any time in the five-year period to give the (signing bonus) money back. He wanted to make everything clear that there wasn’t any turning back,” Cubs general manager Jim Hendry said.

Samardzija’s fastball was clocked at 97 mph last summer and Hendry said the Cubs project him one day to a be “high end starter.”

Samardzija, 21-6 in 50 college baseball games, said he spent 10 to 12 hours a day studying weighing the decision on which sport to pursue.

He said Irish coach Charlie Weis was supportive when he told him he was turning to baseball.

“He was excited. He wished me the best and he asked for Cubs tickets,” Samardzija said.


gondicar - 1/19/2007 at 09:14 PM

January 19, 2007
Nixon to Indians
By Steve Silva, Boston.com Staff
The original dirt dog is now an Indian.

ESPN's Peter Gammons reported today that former Red Sox right fielder Trot Nixon has agreed to a one-year contract with the Cleveland Indians for $3 million. The Red Sox had elected not to offer salary arbitration to Nixon, a Type B free agent, who was paid $6.5 million last season. Nixon hit .278 in his 10 seasons with the Red Sox and hit 133 home runs while driving in 523 runs.

Nixon is expected to platoon in Cleveland's right field with Casey Blake. Today's Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that Trot could increase his base salary of $3 million to $5 million this season if he earns all his performance bonuses.

One of Nixon's biggest hits in a Red Sox uniform was an 11th inning walkoff home run on Oct. 4, 2003 as the Sox beat the Oakland A's 3-1 to avoid elimination in their best-of-five AL playoff series.

"All the home runs you hit in your career in the regular season don't mean much unless you start hitting some in the postseason," said Nixon after the game winner. "This is what you play for."

Nixon, a Fenway fan favorite, was with the Red Sox organization for his entire professional career before becoming a free agent at the end of the 2006 season. He spent the last eight years as Boston's starting right fielder, though he had been plagued with a series of injuries over the last few seasons.

"I am confident I am going to get a job,'' Nixon was quoted as saying in yesterday's Wilmington Star. "I can't have what is going on with free agency consume me.''

"I am confident I will be with a team next year,'' Nixon said. "Where, I don't know. My mom asks, 'How are negotiations going? Are there any negotiations?' I'm like, 'Nothing.'

"It is real easy for me to worry because obviously this is the first time I've gone through the free-agent market. I've done plenty of wondering why this or that in the offseason. I don't think I have done anything in my career that has given me a bad name or anything.''


ThePeteMan - 1/19/2007 at 09:27 PM

quote:
January 19, 2007
Nixon to Indians
By Steve Silva, Boston.com Staff
The original dirt dog is now an Indian.

ESPN's Peter Gammons reported today that former Red Sox right fielder Trot Nixon has agreed to a one-year contract with the Cleveland Indians for $3 million. The Red Sox had elected not to offer salary arbitration to Nixon, a Type B free agent, who was paid $6.5 million last season. Nixon hit .278 in his 10 seasons with the Red Sox and hit 133 home runs while driving in 523 runs.

Nixon is expected to platoon in Cleveland's right field with Casey Blake. Today's Cleveland Plain Dealer reports that Trot could increase his base salary of $3 million to $5 million this season if he earns all his performance bonuses.

One of Nixon's biggest hits in a Red Sox uniform was an 11th inning walkoff home run on Oct. 4, 2003 as the Sox beat the Oakland A's 3-1 to avoid elimination in their best-of-five AL playoff series.

"All the home runs you hit in your career in the regular season don't mean much unless you start hitting some in the postseason," said Nixon after the game winner. "This is what you play for."

Nixon, a Fenway fan favorite, was with the Red Sox organization for his entire professional career before becoming a free agent at the end of the 2006 season. He spent the last eight years as Boston's starting right fielder, though he had been plagued with a series of injuries over the last few seasons.

"I am confident I am going to get a job,'' Nixon was quoted as saying in yesterday's Wilmington Star. "I can't have what is going on with free agency consume me.''

"I am confident I will be with a team next year,'' Nixon said. "Where, I don't know. My mom asks, 'How are negotiations going? Are there any negotiations?' I'm like, 'Nothing.'

"It is real easy for me to worry because obviously this is the first time I've gone through the free-agent market. I've done plenty of wondering why this or that in the offseason. I don't think I have done anything in my career that has given me a bad name or anything.''




The ORIGINAL Dirt Dog! Besty of luck to Trot, he was a gutty Sawx.


SkyPuppy - 1/19/2007 at 09:28 PM

I don't think I have done anything in my career that has given me a bad name or anything.'' No?..How 'bout the name Red Sox you bore, that's as bad as it gets


gondicar - 1/19/2007 at 09:42 PM

quote:
I don't think I have done anything in my career that has given me a bad name or anything.'' No?..How 'bout the name Red Sox you bore, that's as bad as it gets



Didn't seem to stop anyone down there from showing your idoit center fielder $50+ million of lovin'.


gondicar - 1/19/2007 at 09:46 PM

quote:

The ORIGINAL Dirt Dog! Besty of luck to Trot, he was a gutty Sawx.


"Nixon hit .278 in his 10 seasons with the Red Sox and hit 133 home runs while driving in 523 runs."

I love Trot for his approach and dirt dog status, but an average of roughly 13 HRs and 52 RBI per season just wasn't getting it done. I hope he's goes to the Indians and has some crazy big numbers (especially in Yankee Stadium ) but somehow I just don't see it happening.


SkyPuppy - 1/20/2007 at 12:10 AM

quote:
quote:
I don't think I have done anything in my career that has given me a bad name or anything.'' No?..How 'bout the name Red Sox you bore, that's as bad as it gets



Didn't seem to stop anyone down there from showing your idoit center fielder $50+ million of lovin'.
If you can't spell it..you can't call him It

PS..In all seriousness, Trot was a hardnosed competitor, and he killed us in big spots.
And my last vision at Yankee Stadium after the '04 game 7, was Trot spraying the bleachers with Champagne..My 2nd worse Yankee Stadium moment of my life.


crossroad_blues - 1/20/2007 at 03:17 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
I heard Mike and the Maddog when they had a show on Clemente.

Amazing what he did on and off the field. Such a tragedy.


I agree that it was a tragedy. Just wish they didn't change the rules because of it.


Did you have a problem when they did the same thing, years earlier, so Lou Gerhig would go in before he died?


Yes


cupofjo - 1/20/2007 at 02:48 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
I heard Mike and the Maddog when they had a show on Clemente.

Amazing what he did on and off the field. Such a tragedy.


I agree that it was a tragedy. Just wish they didn't change the rules because of it.


Did you have a problem when they did the same thing, years earlier, so Lou Gerhig would go in before he died?


Yes


Lets go the other way.

Addie Joss was voted in even though he didnt play 10 years. He died of
tubercular meningitis and was short 1 year of 10 years service. But he was an incredible pitcher. He has the second lowest era among pitchers 1.89. 4 years in a row of 20 plus wins.
He won 160 games in 9 years!

There will always be exceptions to the rule.


piacere - 1/20/2007 at 03:18 PM

we stink.

oh wait, that's my May post.

nevermind.


cupofjo - 1/21/2007 at 12:07 AM

So much for David Wells retiring. Padres are signing him for 3 million with potential to earn another 4 million in incentives!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2736756


WharfRat - 1/21/2007 at 03:32 AM

quote:
So much for David Wells retiring. Padres are signing him for 3 million with potential to earn another 4 million in incentives!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2736756



Boooomer


cupofjo - 1/21/2007 at 10:18 PM

Utley agrees to seven-year, $85 million extension with Philly.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2738188


RobFilmMusic - 1/21/2007 at 11:34 PM

quote:
Utley agrees to seven-year, $85 million extension with Philly.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2738188



I think it's a damn good move by the Phils...... Utley is a good centerpiece player who is young and at a very shallow position. He's probably the best all around 2B IMO.

Anything under 100 million these days seems like a steal it seems.


WharfRat - 1/22/2007 at 03:01 AM

24 days till pichers and catchers report


gondicar - 1/22/2007 at 03:24 AM

quote:
24 days till pichers and catchers report



WharfRat - 1/22/2007 at 03:26 AM

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quote:
24 days till pichers and catchers report





Something we can both agree on


gondicar - 1/22/2007 at 03:35 AM

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24 days till pichers and catchers report





Something we can both agree on


Absolutely.

Already got tix for my first trip to spring training, March 5 vs. Dodgers.


WharfRat - 1/22/2007 at 03:36 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
24 days till pichers and catchers report





Something we can both agree on


Absolutely.

Already got tix for my first trip to spring training, March 5 vs. Dodgers.


My dream vacation

But I would be in Tampa, not Winter Haven


gondicar - 1/22/2007 at 03:42 AM

Actually, they left Winter Haven years ago...been in Ft. Meyers for a while now. The 'rents have a place about 45 mins away for the month of March so I am taking the family down for our annual vacation, can't pass up the free place to stay! Just got lucky on the timing! And spring training SRO tix are only $10.


WharfRat - 1/22/2007 at 03:44 AM

Oh.. woops

Have fun anyway

I will prolly have to wait untill The Brothers are done with the Beacon before I can head to Tampa in March



[Edited on 1/22/2007 by WharfRat]


gondicar - 1/22/2007 at 03:46 AM

I hear ya. That's basically why I am just one-and-done at the Beacon...see ya March 31.


WharfRat - 1/22/2007 at 03:48 AM

quote:
I hear ya. That's basically why I am just one-and-done at the Beacon...see ya March 31.




I will be sure to wear my Yankee hat for ya again

hmmm and time to invest in that Damon jersey


gondicar - 1/22/2007 at 03:51 AM

quote:
quote:
I hear ya. That's basically why I am just one-and-done at the Beacon...see ya March 31.




I will be sure to wear my Yankee hat for ya again

hmmm and time to invest in that Damon jersey


Bring it on.


cupofjo - 1/22/2007 at 12:28 PM

quote:
quote:
Utley agrees to seven-year, $85 million extension with Philly.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2738188



I think it's a damn good move by the Phils...... Utley is a good centerpiece player who is young and at a very shallow position. He's probably the best all around 2B IMO.

Anything under 100 million these days seems like a steal it seems.


I thought it was a smat move on their part too. You look at the contract it is a great deal for the Phillies. It really doesnt become a factor until the last year. I wonder if they have a buy out on the last year? I didn't read that.

Utley gets a $2 million signing bonus and salaries of $4.5 million this year, $7.5 million in 2008, $11 million in 2009 and $15 million in each of the final seasons.


cupofjo - 1/22/2007 at 12:31 PM

quote:
24 days till pichers and catchers report




Hey you going to set up that fantasy baseball again that was fun last year. That was my first time playing fantasy baseball.


RobFilmMusic - 1/22/2007 at 06:02 PM

quote:
quote:
24 days till pichers and catchers report




Hey you going to set up that fantasy baseball again that was fun last year. That was my first time playing fantasy baseball.


hmmmmmmm...... there's a HTW fantasy league?

I'll forewarn you guys, I'm pretty good at fantasy now


ozzypie - 1/22/2007 at 06:13 PM

Yes Uncle Chuckie, please set us up for fantasy baseball again. Some years it's a helluva lot better than reality baseball.


cupofjo - 1/22/2007 at 10:16 PM

quote:
Yes Uncle Chuckie, please set us up for fantasy baseball again. Some years it's a helluva lot better than reality baseball.


I agree it makes the long season a lot more entertaining. Makes you pay attention to what is going on in both leagues. I learned a lot about a whole bunch of players.


IAmReallyElvis - 1/23/2007 at 02:46 AM

I was going to buy a Baseball team, but I died on the crapper


WharfRat - 1/23/2007 at 03:20 AM

Yes, fellas.. There will be a fantasy league

Just waiting on Yahoo at this point.

Who else is interested?

1.Wharf
2.Rob( cupofjo)
3. ozzie
4.Ron ( filmdude)
5.
6.
7.
8.
9
10.


cupofjo - 1/23/2007 at 03:43 AM


WharfRat - 1/23/2007 at 03:48 AM

Just set up an alert with Yahoo.. It will let me know when leagues are forming..

Since there is a late Beacon run this year, someone suggested a "live draft"

What do you guys think??

Which reminds me...

1.Wharf
2.Rob( cupofjo)
3. ozzie
4.Rob ( filmdude)
5.Texgent
6.
7.
8.
9
10.



[Edited on 1/23/2007 by WharfRat]


RobFilmMusic - 1/23/2007 at 08:11 AM

damnit chuck my name's Rob not Ron.................... you're thinking of photodude Ron


cupofjo - 1/23/2007 at 11:50 AM

quote:
damnit chuck my name's Rob not Ron.................... you're thinking of photodude Ron


Your name only starts with RobFilmMusic

I am sure it was a typo because he has our nicks next to our name to seperate you and me.


cupofjo - 1/23/2007 at 12:08 PM

quote:
Just set up an alert with Yahoo.. It will let me know when leagues are forming..

Since there is a late Beacon run this year, someone suggested a "live draft"

What do you guys think??

Which reminds me...

1.Wharf
2.Rob( cupofjo)
3. ozzie
4.Ron ( filmdude)
5.Texgent
6.
7.
8.
9
10.





Live draft sounds good. Just need to get everyone coordinated. How long does draft take? We didnt do live last year. I think that would really be cool I hope we can make this work!


What is everyones best time to do this?

Rob(cupofjo)

EST: MO/TU/TH 6:00 pm to 11:30 SU/WE 7:30pm to 11:30 FR/SA 6:00pm til whenever


WharfRat - 1/23/2007 at 12:50 PM

Sorry RoB

I am thinking maybe a Sat night??

It will be pretty tough for EVERYONE to make it I know.
But you can stil "prerank" your players as would would with an Autodraft.

I would have to move quick though. I imagine the Sat Pm slots get booked up quick.


piacere - 1/23/2007 at 03:59 PM

...any team with Manny on it already has achieved fantasy status.

I'll pass.


cupofjo - 1/23/2007 at 09:44 PM

quote:
Sorry RoB

I am thinking maybe a Sat night??

It will be pretty tough for EVERYONE to make it I know.
But you can stil "prerank" your players as would would with an Autodraft.

I would have to move quick though. I imagine the Sat Pm slots get booked up quick.


Saturday night works for me. You have to book a slot?


cupofjo - 1/23/2007 at 09:51 PM

So if yo prerank players and you cant do live draft it will draft players according to how they are ranked by you?


ThePeteMan - 1/23/2007 at 10:36 PM

Yo! I'm in for the league! Never done it before, been looking for a good bunch of guys to start up with...

and last time I checked, y'all a great bunch!


1.Wharf
2.Rob( cupofjo)
3. ozzie
4.Ron ( filmdude)
5.Texgent
6. Pete
7.
8.
9
10.


WharfRat - 1/23/2007 at 11:02 PM

quote:
quote:
Sorry RoB

I am thinking maybe a Sat night??

It will be pretty tough for EVERYONE to make it I know.
But you can stil "prerank" your players as would would with an Autodraft.

I would have to move quick though. I imagine the Sat Pm slots get booked up quick.


Saturday night works for me. You have to book a slot?


Yup.


quote:
So if yo prerank players and you cant do live draft it will draft players according to how they are ranked by you?



Exactly.
There is a default ranking, but it does not take into account spring training injuries and such.


WharfRat - 1/23/2007 at 11:03 PM

quote:
Yo! I'm in for the league! Never done it before, been looking for a good bunch of guys to start up with...

and last time I checked, y'all a great bunch!


1.Wharf
2.Rob( cupofjo)
3. ozzie
4.Ron ( filmdude)
5.Texgent
6. Pete
7.
8.
9
10.


Schweet

Just a quick vote... Do you guys want 10 teams with a small roster, or 12 teams with a larger roster?? ( Only difference would be more of a bench)


cupofjo - 1/23/2007 at 11:14 PM

Lets see how it plays out. We may get enough for 12 My son said he would play again if you need an extra guy.

Out of all you guys he met Colin that counts right


WharfRat - 1/23/2007 at 11:16 PM

He is a Freemer. That is good enough for me


cupofjo - 1/24/2007 at 12:14 AM


cupofjo - 1/24/2007 at 12:18 AM

I missed this! Bud Black hired as Padres coach. I think this is a great move on there part.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hotstove06/columns/story?columnist=crasnick_j erry&id=2740122


WharfRat - 1/24/2007 at 01:50 AM

I think he is the only guy in that dugout that is older then Boomer Wells


TexGent - 1/24/2007 at 05:10 AM

quote:
quote:
Yo! I'm in for the league! Never done it before, been looking for a good bunch of guys to start up with...

and last time I checked, y'all a great bunch!


1.Wharf
2.Rob( cupofjo)
3. ozzie
4.Ron ( filmdude)
5.Texgent
6. Pete
7.
8.
9
10.


Schweet

Just a quick vote... Do you guys want 10 teams with a small roster, or 12 teams with a larger roster?? ( Only difference would be more of a bench)


Thanks for putting me on the list.

The more the merrier, up to a point. 15 teams would be about max. As far as roster size I can go with whatever everyone else wants.

I would like to see an owner optional live/pre-ranked draft. If you want to draft live you can sit in front of the computer for hours. If not you can use a pre-ranked list.

IMHO a pre-ranked list takes away some of the skill involved in selecting a team such as dealing with position and statistic (Saves,SB) scarcity and rounding out the team with bench selections where position may become as important as other stats. I would like the option of a live draft.

That being said I understand the problems in selecting a time that is good for everyone.

Comments?

Either way I'm ready to play!


cupofjo - 1/24/2007 at 11:58 AM



Me too!


RobFilmMusic - 1/24/2007 at 04:30 PM

Chuck are we doing rotisserie or head-to-head?

I defninetly say the live draft is the better way to go if you can attend...... i hope i can make a saturday draft. i never know with my schedule.

and lets get this right :

1.Wharf
2.Rob( cupofjo)
3. ozzie
4. Rob ( filmdude)
5.Texgent
6. Pete
7.
8.
9
10.


gondicar - 1/24/2007 at 05:09 PM

Would love to do the fantasy thing, just can't commit the time and energy to it.

Less then 3 weeks to go...pitchers and catchers in 20 days!


WharfRat - 1/25/2007 at 01:41 AM

quote:
Chuck are we doing rotisserie or head-to-head?

I defninetly say the live draft is the better way to go if you can attend...... i hope i can make a saturday draft. i never know with my schedule.

and lets get this right :

1.Wharf
2.Rob( cupofjo)
3. ozzie
4. Rob ( filmdude)
5.Texgent
6. Pete
7.
8.
9
10.


head to head would make for more rivalries
obviosuly that would only work if we have a even numer of teams


RobFilmMusic - 1/25/2007 at 06:48 AM

quote:
quote:
Chuck are we doing rotisserie or head-to-head?

I defninetly say the live draft is the better way to go if you can attend...... i hope i can make a saturday draft. i never know with my schedule.

and lets get this right :

1.Wharf
2.Rob( cupofjo)
3. ozzie
4. Rob ( filmdude)
5.Texgent
6. Pete
7.
8.
9
10.


head to head would make for more rivalries
obviosuly that would only work if we have a even numer of teams


I think for head-to-head we need 12 teams in Yahoo land....... Plus, I think for beginners head-to-head is little more difficult.


cupofjo - 1/25/2007 at 02:22 PM

How does head to head work?

Your team against the other team?

How does the stat thing work?

In that case especially for pitchers?


Just curious.


gondicar - 1/25/2007 at 05:37 PM

You guys are sooooo lucky! MLB released their master schedule and the Red Sox are slated for national broadcasts for the maximum allowed 14 times (5 on ESPN, 9 on FOX)...and as an added bonus all but 4 are home games in American's most beloved ballpark! Mark your calendars now!

ESPN
April 8 -- @ Rangers
April 22 -- vs. Yankees
June 3 -- vs. Yankees
Sept. 16 -- vs. Yankees
Sept. 30 -- vs. Twins

FOX
April 14 -- vs. Angels
April 21 -- vs. Yankees
April 28 -- @ Yankees
May 26 -- @ Rangers
June 2 -- vs. Yankees
June 16 -- vs. Giants
July 21 -- vs. White Sox
Aug. 25 -- @ White Sox
Sept. 15 -- vs. Yankees

Please, please, PLEASE god don't let Bonds get hot to start the year and even be close to breaking the record at Fenway in June.


RobFilmMusic - 1/25/2007 at 05:59 PM

quote:
How does head to head work?

Your team against the other team?

How does the stat thing work?

In that case especially for pitchers?


Just curious.


Rob, for Head-to-head whoever has more HRs wins that category, RBI same thing, lowest ERA same thing. You play each team twice in the season. For each category you win, you get a point. Whoever has the most points at the end of the week wins the head to head. For rotisserie, it's basically the same concept but you get points by who has the most stats in that category out of the whole league. For instance if your pitching staff had the second most wins and we are in a 10 team league, you would get 9 points. Whoever at the end of the season has the most total points wins.


cupofjo - 1/25/2007 at 09:40 PM

Thanks Rob

I should have clarified the question better I was just wondering how all the stats figured in the head to head.

We played rotisserie last year.


cupofjo - 1/26/2007 at 01:34 AM

Willie gets a raise! $5.65 million for three years.

He deserves it.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2741732


WharfRat - 1/26/2007 at 01:38 AM

quote:
Willie gets a raise! $5.65 million for three years.

He deserves it.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2741732


Well deserved!! He has done a great job, IMHO


cupofjo - 1/26/2007 at 01:41 AM

JD Drew and Sox finally get contract done! Below was what got it done.

the sides agreed on language that would allow the team to opt out of guaranteed money in 2010 and 2011 if a specified pre-existing injury recurs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2742971


WharfRat - 1/26/2007 at 01:50 AM

quote:
JD Drew and Sox finally get contract done! Below was what got it done.

the sides agreed on language that would allow the team to opt out of guaranteed money in 2010 and 2011 if a specified pre-existing injury recurs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2742971


He then realized he broke his finger signing the contract and had to go on the DL

Again


cupofjo - 1/26/2007 at 01:58 AM

quote:
quote:
JD Drew and Sox finally get contract done! Below was what got it done.

the sides agreed on language that would allow the team to opt out of guaranteed money in 2010 and 2011 if a specified pre-existing injury recurs.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2742971


He then realized he broke his finger signing the contract and had to go on the DL

Again


lmao!


ThePeteMan - 1/26/2007 at 02:18 AM

Isn't the first game that counts on 3/31?
Our league might be starting up the same night we're all totally pasted to the Beacon floor!!!

How'm I gonna turn in a quality start with that much liquid lunch in me, Chuck?!?

And let's not mention the double-fisted distractions over at Yogi's... Talk about the Grapefruit League...!


WharfRat - 1/26/2007 at 02:55 AM

quote:


How'm I gonna turn in a quality start with that much liquid lunch in me, Chuck?!?



Thats all part of my master plan

I will make your you start Aaron Sele that week


quote:
And let's not mention the double-fisted distractions over at Yogi's... Talk about the Grapefruit League...!



cupofjo - 1/26/2007 at 01:17 PM

quote:
Isn't the first game that counts on 3/31?
Our league might be starting up the same night we're all totally pasted to the Beacon floor!!!

How'm I gonna turn in a quality start with that much liquid lunch in me, Chuck?!?

And let's not mention the double-fisted distractions over at Yogi's... Talk about the Grapefruit League...!



Gapefruitand Vodka league


cupofjo - 1/26/2007 at 01:19 PM

Yankees planting seed in China.

Yankees seek working agreement with China baseball.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2742462


WharfRat - 1/26/2007 at 01:26 PM

Jeff Weaver about to sign with Seattle.

So much for wanting to stay with a winning team eh?

Money talks...


cupofjo - 1/26/2007 at 01:34 PM

quote:
Jeff Weaver about to sign with Seattle.

So much for wanting to stay with a winning team eh?

Money talks...


They can have him!

He should have stayed with St. Louis. That pitching coach resurrected his career.


WharfRat - 1/26/2007 at 01:36 PM

quote:
quote:
Jeff Weaver about to sign with Seattle.

So much for wanting to stay with a winning team eh?

Money talks...


They can have him!

He should have stayed with St. Louis. That pitching coach resurrected his career.


Again, money talks..


gondicar - 1/26/2007 at 02:36 PM

quote:
Yankees planting seed in China.

Yankees seek working agreement with China baseball.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2742462


Think of all the money they'll be able to save in payroll.


IAmReallyElvis - 1/26/2007 at 03:08 PM

Close enough to Taiwan too...where all the real good young talent is! Good move on the Yankees Part.
This also means a whole new Consession Stand Menu!! You know how I love to eat!!


WharfRat - 1/27/2007 at 02:55 AM

I dont think they sell fried peanut butter and nanna Sammiches at The Stadium


cupofjo - 1/27/2007 at 03:09 AM

Hall of Fame pitcher Ryan hospitalized, doing well.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2744208


TexGent - 1/27/2007 at 03:09 PM

Ryan in hospital; reason not given

Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan, 59, checked into Round Rock (Texas) Medical Center on Friday for treatment of recurring symptoms from a pre-existing medical condition, his son Reid said.
Reid declined to specify the condition, but said it was discovered when his father had double-bypass heart surgery in 2000.
“This is something I’ve lived with for the last seven years,” Nolan said in a statement.
His son said it was not an emergency.
“He takes medication for it,” Reid said. “From time to time, he has episodes that require him to get checked out when he has pain or something. He’s feeling good. This is more about taking precautions.”
Ryan struck out 5,714 and pitched seven no-hitters — both major league records — in 27 years with the New York Mets, California Angels, Houston Astros and Texas Rangers. He retired in 1993 and was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1999.
Ryan is a majority owner of the Class AAA Round Rock Express and Class AA Corpus Christi Hooks, both affiliates of the Astros.


Richdel - 1/27/2007 at 11:47 PM

ESPN just reported that the Red Sox and Rockies are having serious talks about the Red Sox acquiring Todd Helton. I believe I just heard that Helton is still owed 90 miillion.


SkyPuppy - 1/28/2007 at 12:16 AM

His numbers have gone down the past 2 years, and that is the weaker NL. But he can be dangerous. Sox need to address their bullpen first I think..
Man, the AL east is a beast this year!


RobFilmMusic - 1/28/2007 at 03:59 AM

quote:
His numbers have gone down the past 2 years, and that is the weaker NL. But he can be dangerous. Sox need to address their bullpen first I think..
Man, the AL east is a beast this year!


The Sox aren't interested in big HR and RBI numbers.... they want someone to take on an Abreu like role for them.... not necessarily a huge masher but someone who just contributes to the wear and tear on opposing pitchers. Helton averages around 4 pitches per at bat and has had a OBP over .400 virtually his whole career. Who knows, maybe playing in a high tension, contending atmosphere will kick in a second wind of youthfullness in him. It also looks like the Sox will try to average it so they will only pay him within the neighborhood of 8-10 million and give up Lowell, Tavarez and maybe Delcarmen or Hansen. Not a bad deal, I would say.


crossroad_blues - 1/28/2007 at 04:17 AM

quote:
Ryan in hospital; reason not given

Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan, 59, checked into Round Rock (Texas) Medical Center on Friday for treatment of recurring symptoms from a pre-existing medical condition, his son Reid said.
Reid declined to specify the condition, but said it was discovered when his father had double-bypass heart surgery in 2000.
“This is something I’ve lived with for the last seven years,” Nolan said in a statement.
His son said it was not an emergency.
“He takes medication for it,” Reid said. “From time to time, he has episodes that require him to get checked out when he has pain or something. He’s feeling good. This is more about taking precautions.”
Ryan struck out 5,714 and pitched seven no-hitters — both major league records — in 27 years with the New York Mets, California Angels, Houston Astros and Texas Rangers. He retired in 1993 and was elected to the Hall of Fame in 1999.
Ryan is a majority owner of the Class AAA Round Rock Express and Class AA Corpus Christi Hooks, both affiliates of the Astros.


Some Good News

HOUSTON -- Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was expected to leave a Houston hospital Saturday after medical tests for an undisclosed ailment came back normal, his son said.

The 59-year-old strikeout king was admitted Friday in Round Rock for treatment of recurring symptoms of an existing medical condition. He was transferred to Houston for further evaluation, but Reid Ryan said his father was "feeling great."

"All his tests have come out great," Reid Ryan said. "There's nothing to keep him at the hospital."

Reid Ryan declined to specify the condition but said it was discovered when his father had double-bypass heart surgery in 2000.

Ryan is still expected to participate in next week's Nolan Ryan Elite Pitching Camp, his son said. The camp starts Monday in Houston.


cupofjo - 1/28/2007 at 04:24 AM

Great news


SkyPuppy - 1/28/2007 at 04:29 AM

quote:
quote:
His numbers have gone down the past 2 years, and that is the weaker NL. But he can be dangerous. Sox need to address their bullpen first I think..
Man, the AL east is a beast this year!


The Sox aren't interested in big HR and RBI numbers.... they want someone to take on an Abreu like role for them.... not necessarily a huge masher but someone who just contributes to the wear and tear on opposing pitchers. Helton averages around 4 pitches per at bat and has had a OBP over .400 virtually his whole career. Who knows, maybe playing in a high tension, contending atmosphere will kick in a second wind of youthfullness in him. It also looks like the Sox will try to average it so they will only pay him within the neighborhood of 8-10 million and give up Lowell, Tavarez and maybe Delcarmen or Hansen. Not a bad deal, I would say.

Not a bad deal to get Helton, but that's not giving up too much you think 3 for 1? Your weakening your other corner, with who in the wings? You have a 31 year old 3B in AAA, who isn't very good. And Lowell is so solid. I'm asking more than stating.

Some Good News

HOUSTON -- Hall of Fame pitcher Nolan Ryan was expected to leave a Houston hospital Saturday after medical tests for an undisclosed ailment came back normal,

Excellent News! BB King and Ryan both out of Hospital


RobFilmMusic - 1/28/2007 at 04:56 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
His numbers have gone down the past 2 years, and that is the weaker NL. But he can be dangerous. Sox need to address their bullpen first I think..
Man, the AL east is a beast this year!


The Sox aren't interested in big HR and RBI numbers.... they want someone to take on an Abreu like role for them.... not necessarily a huge masher but someone who just contributes to the wear and tear on opposing pitchers. Helton averages around 4 pitches per at bat and has had a OBP over .400 virtually his whole career. Who knows, maybe playing in a high tension, contending atmosphere will kick in a second wind of youthfullness in him. It also looks like the Sox will try to average it so they will only pay him within the neighborhood of 8-10 million and give up Lowell, Tavarez and maybe Delcarmen or Hansen. Not a bad deal, I would say.

Not a bad deal to get Helton, but that's not giving up too much you think 3 for 1? Your weakening your other corner, with who in the wings? You have a 31 year old 3B in AAA, who isn't very good. And Lowell is so solid. I'm asking more than stating.




Youkilis would take over 3B duties primarily (he's 27)..... I've read a little more about the deal and, of course, this is all speculation but the Sox aren't willing to pull the trigger unless everything is perfectly in place. The Rockies are way more willing to deal than the Sox are. Another name that has been mentioned instead of Hansen and Delcarmen is Matt Clement..... That i don't see happening though b/c Clement is not due back until late this year and the Sox now have a no-trade policy on their young pitching. Another deal breaker is that this would probably put the Sox over the luxury tax limit.......


cupofjo - 1/29/2007 at 03:23 AM

I heard Matt Clement as part of the deal too. I think If Rockies take him it is a done deal.

Over the cap for Luxury tax! They went this far might as well go all in

That is why they are adding more seats


TexGent - 1/30/2007 at 01:19 AM

News flash? Hardly ...

Clemens still undecided about future
By KRISTIE RIEKEN, AP Sports Writer
January 29, 2007

HOUSTON (AP) -- Roger Clemens was on the mound in Astros gear Monday, still undecided about whether he'll pitch for Houston or any other major league team this season.

The 44-year-old right-hander threw almost an hour of batting practice during the club's pitching and hitting camp at Minute Maid Park. He mostly faced minor leaguers, including his son Koby.

When asked to handicap the odds that he'll return for another season, Clemens replied: "I'm not even interested in playing right now -- that's my handicap for you. Other than that, my golf handicap needs to come down."


The article goes on the Sox, Yankees, Astros and Rangers are suitors.

Oh yeah, don't expect him until May or June.


It could even be July like last year. poster's comment


WharfRat - 1/30/2007 at 03:37 AM

Sounds like the same ol BS like last year.

He will be back,

WHERE is the question


TexGent - 1/30/2007 at 04:21 AM

New York or Houston I suspect (in that order).


WharfRat - 1/30/2007 at 04:31 AM

quote:
New York or Houston I suspect (in that order).


I think Boston is a longshot...

His buddy Andy is back in NY , and in Houston he gets to be home.

I dont see what Boston has to offer him.


gondicar - 1/30/2007 at 05:07 AM

quote:
quote:
New York or Houston I suspect (in that order).


I think Boston is a longshot...

His buddy Andy is back in NY , and in Houston he gets to be home.

I dont see what Boston has to offer him.


Boston will offer just as much $$ as anyone, so that would be a non-issue. They will score runs, which is about the only thing missing for him in Houston. He'll also get the chance at the storybook ending that ONLY Boston can offer, and the chance to displace Cy Young from the record books. He already has a ring from NY, something he may want another shot at in Boston. Granted, NY has Andy P and of course the promise of Mariano closing out his games (although one has to wonder how much longer that 37 year old window will be open) and they too will score runs, but my point is it's not like Boston isn't a viable option...although I suspect if he pitches again this season (and I think he will) it will be back in Houston. Will his son get a sniff of the majors this season? That could be what puts it over the edge for him , the chance to pitch to his son.


[Edited on 1/30/2007 by gondicar]


gondicar - 1/30/2007 at 05:08 AM

Rockies GM is quoted as saying the Todd Helton trade talks have broken off with no deal in sight.


TexGent - 1/30/2007 at 05:14 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
New York or Houston I suspect (in that order).


I think Boston is a longshot...

His buddy Andy is back in NY , and in Houston he gets to be home.

I dont see what Boston has to offer him.


Boston will offer just as much $$ as anyone, so that would be a non-issue. They will score runs, which is about the only thing missing for him in Houston. He'll also get the chance at the storybook ending that ONLY Boston can offer, and the chance to displace Cy Young from the record books. He already has a ring from NY, something he may want another shot at in Boston. Granted, NY has Andy P and of course the promise of Mariano closing out his games (although one has to wonder how much longer that 37 year old window will be open) and they too will score runs, but my point is it's not like Boston isn't a viable option...although I suspect if he pitches again this season (and I think he will) it will be back in Houston. Will his son get a sniff of the majors this season? That could be what puts it over the edge for him , the chance to pitch to his son.


[Edited on 1/30/2007 by gondicar]


I think Boston is a longshot but indeed viable to "end it where it began".
Texas is an interesting longshot - he may get some of the Houston "perks" there.

Koby may get a cup of coffee in September, at best. Koby has said that the biggest thrill of his life was playing with his dad last year during his pre- ... ooops ... mid-season tune up going from A to AA to AAA to Houston.


cupofjo - 1/30/2007 at 12:10 PM

quote:
Rockies GM is quoted as saying the Todd Helton trade talks have broken off with no deal in sight.


I read an article yesterday about Rockies GM saying he wanted something in return. He wasnt just going to give him away. The salary wasnt the issue.

I guess he wasnt bluffing! Now lets see how bad Theo wants him. Is he willing to part with Hansen or Delcarmen or both.


WharfRat - 1/30/2007 at 01:46 PM

Looks like Sammy* is back in Texas.

And making the minimum salary.

Oh, how the mighty have fallen


Sang - 1/30/2007 at 01:56 PM

Wondering if the Cardinals will have any pitchers left by opening day.........


WharfRat - 1/30/2007 at 03:00 PM

quote:
Wondering if the Cardinals will have any pitchers left by opening day.........


Jose Lima is available

Carl Pavano will prolly be as well


cupofjo - 1/31/2007 at 12:11 AM

quote:
quote:
Wondering if the Cardinals will have any pitchers left by opening day.........


Jose Lima is available

Carl Pavano will prolly be as well



Matt Clement too


gondicar - 1/31/2007 at 01:04 PM

14 days


crossroad_blues - 1/31/2007 at 10:08 PM

Looks like the Yankees will host the '08 All-Star Game for the last year in the 'House that Ruth built'....

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2749252

Fitting, I guess.

What's interesting is that the other times ('39, '60, '77) the Bombers hosted the All-Star Game they won the Series that year.

Hmmmmm...............Yankees in '08. It's a lock!


SkyPuppy - 1/31/2007 at 11:27 PM

Carl Pavano will prolly be as well

At the Thurman Munson charity dinner last night..The team was killing him.
They think he has talent, but that he just does not want to work at it anymore...got fat off his contract.
They have zero respect for him, and he has to work to get there respect back...
Moose was brutal torwards him.
Diana Munson makes me cry everytime I see her...almost 30 years later...


crossroad_blues - 2/1/2007 at 01:19 AM

More good news.............


The Commissioner's office has revised Barry Bonds*' contract. Bonds*' agent says he won't sign it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2749958

"At this time, Barry* is not signing the new documents," his agent said.

Promise?

As the Beach Boys said, "Wouldn't it be nice.........."


WharfRat - 2/1/2007 at 02:03 AM

quote:
More good news.............


The Commissioner's office has revised Barry Bonds*' contract. Bonds*' agent says he won't sign it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2749958

"At this time, Barry* is not signing the new documents," his agent said.

Promise?

As the Beach Boys said, "Wouldn't it be nice.........."


Why ANY team would give this Assclown the time of day is beyond me.
They guy is an embarrassment to The Game


crossroad_blues - 2/1/2007 at 02:19 AM

quote:
quote:
More good news.............


The Commissioner's office has revised Barry Bonds*' contract. Bonds*' agent says he won't sign it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2749958

"At this time, Barry* is not signing the new documents," his agent said.

Promise?

As the Beach Boys said, "Wouldn't it be nice.........."


Why ANY team would give this Assclown the time of day is beyond me.
They guy is an embarrassment to The Game


Problem is, he's obviously a draw in SanFran & the closer he gets to breaking the record, there'll be more fannies in the seats. And that's the name of the game, sadly.

The Owners don't give a sh!t about The Game, only The Green. The Player's Union is the same.

I heard on ESPN radio that last year when Bonds* was nearing the Babe the Florida Marlins sold out. The announcer said "how could anyone pass up a chance to see history?"

Don't know about the rest of you, but count me out! Why would I want to witness the greatest farce perpetrated in Baseball?


WharfRat - 2/1/2007 at 02:21 AM

I have NO interest in watching that.

I didnt even see him pass Ruth

Ugg this is making me sick


RobFilmMusic - 2/1/2007 at 08:18 AM

Weird thing happened today....... Jeff Weaver called my boss and they're having dinner friday night. They've been friends for a good while. Maybe i'll be able to meet him friday night.


WharfRat - 2/1/2007 at 09:53 AM

Ask him why he SUCKED in NY


cupofjo - 2/1/2007 at 12:30 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
More good news.............


The Commissioner's office has revised Barry Bonds*' contract. Bonds*' agent says he won't sign it.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2749958

"At this time, Barry* is not signing the new documents," his agent said.

Promise?

As the Beach Boys said, "Wouldn't it be nice.........."


Why ANY team would give this Assclown the time of day is beyond me.
They guy is an embarrassment to The Game


Problem is, he's obviously a draw in SanFran & the closer he gets to breaking the record, there'll be more fannies in the seats. And that's the name of the game, sadly.

The Owners don't give a sh!t about The Game, only The Green. The Player's Union is the same.

I heard on ESPN radio that last year when Bonds* was nearing the Babe the Florida Marlins sold out. The announcer said "how could anyone pass up a chance to see history?"

Don't know about the rest of you, but count me out! Why would I want to witness the greatest farce perpetrated in Baseball?


This is all true

Hey I like the * It's fitting!

The other thing is if he gets blackballed by MLB before breaking the record he would sue them. Just the way he is.


cupofjo - 2/1/2007 at 12:32 PM

quote:
Weird thing happened today....... Jeff Weaver called my boss and they're having dinner friday night. They've been friends for a good while. Maybe i'll be able to meet him friday night.



That is cool.

But he did suck in NY


ozzypie - 2/1/2007 at 02:44 PM

If this happens I will be seriously pissed off...




MLB TV deal gets fuzzy reception

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports
January 23, 2007

So here comes Major League Baseball in a quick, shortsighted money grab (again), selling out its core fans (again) and telling everyone (again) how the sport ought to be consumed.

Here comes MLB, as arrogant and detached as ever, ready to limit its popular "MLB Extra Innings" package by giving it exclusively to DirecTV rather than a large consortium of cable and satellite providers. And for what, an average of a million bucks per year, per team?

That's the price of fan loyalty these days? That's how much baseball owners value their best costumers? A bad middle reliever?

According to the New York Times, MLB is close to handing DirecTV the exclusive rights to Extra Innings – which allows fans to watch many out-of-market games – for $100 million per year over seven years. InDemand, which distributes the package currently, has upped its offer, but, according to the Washington Times, its deal will pay about $30 million less per year.

The difference averages out to $1 million per franchise, per year – or, in these days of overheated player spending, chicken scratch. Even if it was five times that, it wouldn't seem worth it to keep the product from so many fans.

According to industry figures, 75 million of America's estimated 92 million cable/satellite households (82 percent) have access to the Extra Innings package.

DirecTV reaches just 15 million households, or 16 percent of available consumers.

How MLB, which isn't talking about the proposed deal, could consider severely limiting the availability of its product a good idea at that pathetic price is stunning.

"It always seems to be a risky proposition when you're not only reaching fewer fans but raising their ire in the process," said David Carter, executive director of the University of Southern California's Sports Business Institute. "I've already seen reports that fans are not happy."

Why would they be? The current system – aside from MLB's maddening and nonsensical blackout policy – is the best one for fans. Extra Innings was available to almost everyone. You didn't need a dish, you didn't need to switch providers. You just paid and watched. Over 750,000 people loved it.

While some fans will undoubtedly make the change, it probably never dawned on baseball owners who live in gated mansions that not everyone can get DirecTV. Many apartment complexes and condominium developments prohibit satellite installation. Some lack the required clear view of the southern sky.

Other fans, especially the coveted younger demographic, may be in a transient stage and will not want to invest in a satellite system for a temporary place. Some simply favor their current television providers – such as Comcast in Philadelphia – which offer compelling original local sports programming. Others will balk at DirecTV, whose reception can be affected by weather and struggles to provide service for multiple television sets.

The reasons hardly matter. The question is: Why make it more difficult for customers to buy the product?

MLB would certainly like fans to sign up for streaming broadcasts of games through MLB.TV, but no one can, with a straight face, claim that watching a game on a computer is the same as on television.

"One thing we know about sports fans is they want to consume content on their own terms and not be arm-twisted into a way the league wants," Carter said.

Not that the owners cared about that. Or this. Or anything that has to do with you.

Extra Innings is more than just another entertainment option. For many, it's emotional. With downsizing and a fluctuating economy, Americans have increasingly been on the move, seeking jobs and lives throughout the country, often away from their childhood franchise.

Extra Innings gave many a taste of home each summer night. It offered, for example, the Mets fan who relocated to California the opportunity to follow his team – and his town – as if he still lived back in Queens. It provided a bond with old friends and family.

Baseball can do what it wants – ours is, after all, a capitalistic society – but this deal is a slap in the face to loyal fans, who the owners clearly believe will never abandon the sport.

About the only surprising thing here is the lack of surprise. This is consistent with how MLB runs its business, an anti-trust exempted monopoly of a product that is part of the fabric of America. It is a plaything and tax write-off for the rich and ridiculous.

The only hope to ditch the dish is intervention from Congress, which could strip MLB of its anti-trust exemption, which stems from a 1922 Supreme Court case that ruled baseball games were just "local affairs" and – get this – not "interstate commerce."

But considering how much money billionaire owners can sprinkle around to politicians, you could get better odds on the Kansas City Royals winning the World Series. Similar efforts against the NFL have died quickly.

Which is why baseball knows it never needs to reciprocate fan loyalty – you have no other choice.

"The challenge is how to maximize (revenue) without turning off your core audience," Carter said.

Not for baseball owners. There is no challenge. They've long ago proven they don't care about anything but fast cash.

The thing is, just because they own the teams, they shouldn't own the game.



RobFilmMusic - 2/1/2007 at 04:42 PM

quote:
Ask him why he SUCKED in NY

LMAO!!!!! yeah i'll make sure that when i see him right after i shake his hand i'll ask him that....... hahahahaha


ThePeteMan - 2/1/2007 at 05:13 PM

quote:
quote:
Ask him why he SUCKED in NY

LMAO!!!!! yeah i'll make sure that when i see him right after i shake his hand i'll ask him that....... hahahahaha


His little brother coming up and getting him kicked off the team by pitching so great was the best thing that ever happened to him, it seems like. When I saw him on the Cardinals after being cut by the Halos, he had a toughness and a desire that, to put it mildly, he never exhibited anywhere before...

Funny how that happened at the same moment that Kenny Rogers discovered his inner Ninja.


gondicar - 2/1/2007 at 10:36 PM

Jobs in baseball

http://jobsearch.mlb.careers.monster.com/


SkyPuppy - 2/1/2007 at 11:43 PM

I CALL NEXT!!

02/01/2007 11:30 AM ET
Baseball, video-game league partner up
'Battle of the Commissioners' to take place at Super Bowl XLI
By Mark Newman / MLB.com

Johnny Damon is commissioner of the brand-new Professional Baseball Gaming League. (PBGL)
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Johnny Damon hates to face:
"Chris Carpenter. He has always had my number, especially when he was with Toronto. He can throw 95 mph and he has a great curveball. He has a great makeup on the mound. He's just tough."

Damon loves to face:

"Snoop Dogg. I've always been a fan of Snoop. If I had to lose to anyone, it would be Snoop. He's got the whole world. Everybody likes Snoop. They like what he's about. They like his music, his rapping. He seems to be a pretty awesome person."

While everyone will have to wait and see if Carpenter's Cardinals might get the chance to defend their World Series championship in October against Damon's Yankees, another star-studded showdown is all set to happen on Friday at 7 p.m. ET at The Standard in Miami as part of the NFL Players Gala during Super Bowl XLI weekend.

Damon is commissioner of the brand-new Professional Baseball Gaming League, which will have its coming-out party with the first PBGL finals on Saturday afternoon. Snoop is commissioner of the Hip-Hop Gaming League. The "Battle of the Commissioners" will be a positively electric game of "Madden NFL 07" on Xbox 360, and one guy will be the Colts and the other will be the Bears.

"I was playing Xbox 360 last night, and I beat the computer, 98-0," Damon said via telephone to MLB.com on Wednesday night. "I needed to save that for Snoop. We're going to play 'Madden,' and I think that's just a perfect thing. It's appropriate with Super Bowl weekend. 'Madden' is one of the coolest games ever, so it's fair. The baseball games have always been OK, but 'Madden' is, well, the best. I think we both kind of know what to expect. I hear Snoop is pretty good."

For Friday's exhibition, MLB.com will put up $15,000 for the purse -- $10,000 to the winner's charity and $5,000 to the loser's. Major League Baseball Advanced Media joined forces with the Global Gaming League and Boras Marketing to create the PBGL. After Damon faces "the music," it will be time at 1 p.m. ET on Saturday to decide the first champion of a league that is certain to make noise among many baseball fans.

Devil Rays pitcher Seth McClung was the regular-season winner, tying new Indians second baseman Josh Barfield with 71 points and winning the tiebreaker by virtue of most first-place finishes. A series of playoffs has been held to determine the final four, and Saturday's action will begin with the final steps to set this field.

Who's playing:

Wild-card match: Damon vs. Brewers first baseman Prince Fielder. The winner will play Barfield to determine the last remaining spot in the final four. The semifinal round will feature the Damon/Fielder vs. Barfield winner against Red Sox pitcher Craig Hansen, and also McClung vs. Steve Robison, who is part of the Wounded Warrior Project that Damon is championing in this event as his official charity.

"Johnny Damon is the national spokesman for the Wounded Warrior Project," said Robison, who advanced to the finals by eliminating Rockies outfielder Matt Holliday. "That's the reason I'm in the tournament. It means a lot to me to be in the tournament. I'm an intern for Wounded Warrior in San Antonio, [Texas], so it's important to spread the word."

Damon said he hopes the event brings more attention to the needs of military personnel who are wounded in battle.

"I am thankful for the men and women who serve our country to make sure we have the freedom to drive down the street, go to the baseball game and speak our minds," Damon said. "So that's why it's a project of mine. I think America's the greatest country in the world, and unfortunately we have people who are half-and-half on the war and on medical issues. That's OK, but we still have to support the people who give us an opportunity to be free and do what's right.

"Unfortunately, many men and women do not come back to our country alive, but we do have a lot of wounded military who went out there and did the right thing, and I feel like I need to help them out and show them that people do care, and try to give them meaning to life. Because, obviously, they go through a tough time."

Snoop's charity of choice for the "Battle of the Commissioners" is the Snoop Youth Football League, which benefits inner-city youth.

"We're both there to have fun and we're able to raise some money in the process," Damon said.

After they hook up with "Madden NFL 07", PBGL's final four will engage in an official game for the first season: Microsoft's "Project Gotham Racing 3." At stake is $50,000 in cash and prizes for the overall winner.

Other players who competed in the first PBGL season, which started in December, included: Julian Tavarez of the Red Sox, Luke Hochevar of the Royals, Dallas McPherson of the Angels, Willy Taveras and Rodrigo Lopez of the Rockies, Corey Patterson of the Orioles, Derek Lowe of the Dodgers and Mike Pelfrey of the Mets.

"If nobody crashes into me, the title is mine," McClung said. "I don't know if I'm gonna run away with it. You still gotta play the game."

The whole concept of the PBGL is to more formally bring together baseball players and baseball fans through video games, something that is happening in the background anyway. Fans now can register on the PBGL Web site, just as they can at MLB.com. In the future, they will have a chance to compete in Xbox video games against real Major Leaguers, such as these players who are piloting the program.

Damon said it's an idea whose time has come. It certainly embraces the major demographic of those who frequent this site. Just think how many users are here during a typical season to look over info, and then grab the nearest "Halo 2" controls.

"It's cool. It brings out the kid in all of us still," said Damon. "We grew up playing 'Pong,' and then the games started getting better, but now the games are pretty amazing. It's something we can play with our own kids. It's family entertainment now.

"I think the PBGL is a great thing, because a lot of fans just look at us as just ballplayers. But ballplayers are the most normal of any athlete. We live life, and life revolves around video games a lot. So I think it's a great thing. Moving forward, we're kind of letting people know what baseball players are like. People are going to be happy and interested in a number of the players we have going forward. It's something that could build momentum and get more and more people involved in video games, as well as more people involved in watching us play baseball."

But can Damon handle Snoop's moves on the virtual football field? Will it be as hard as facing a Carpenter fastball? Damon said he has plenty of practice, and that includes the occasional match against one of those typical unidentified Xbox players at the other end of a headset somewhere around the world.

"I've been on against a few people every now and then," he said. "Unfortunately, sometimes the connection is brutal, because I try to go off a wireless network. Sometimes that network is solid, sometimes it's not. There are still some kinks.

"This is something that's going to be great for many, many people down the road. Sometimes playing against a computer just isn't enough, and now you can log on and play against people as competitive as you are, who love video games as much as you do. It's amazing the technology that's going on."


RobFilmMusic - 2/2/2007 at 08:24 AM

quote:
quote:
If this happens I will be seriously pissed off...



I would be pissed off as well. That package is my lifeline to baseball, without which I would be forced to watch Angels games with Rex Hudler, the worst color man in baseball.



true.........

any word on whether Steve Lyons will continue Dodger games?


cupofjo - 2/2/2007 at 12:32 PM

I read in the USA today yesterday John McCain is looking into this. He was pretty upset that this was happening too. The goverment may block this one.

I hope so they will be alienating themselves from a lot of potential fans in longterm


WharfRat - 2/2/2007 at 01:32 PM

quote:
I read in the USA today yesterday John McCain is looking into this. He was pretty upset that this was happening too. The goverment may block this one.

I hope so they will be alienating themselves from a lot of potential fans in longterm


Isnt the NFL doing the samething though??

I {{think}}} you only get the NFL Package if you have Direct TV.

Oh, amd thank GOD for the YES Network



Otie, can you get the SNY network out there????


WharfRat - 2/2/2007 at 01:52 PM

02-15-2007
Spring Training : Pitchers & Catchers
13 Days



croky - 2/2/2007 at 02:09 PM

Phillies Phever!!!!!!!
Catch it peeps!

Chase is locked up for awhile
and Myers got his extension yesterday.
Was thinking they may use him as trade bait,
but I guess that wasn't the case.
Still no clue what they're going to do with their 6 starters,
but I guess there could be worse problems.
I'm expecting good things from this bunch this year
and for hopefully the next 5-10 years.


gondicar - 2/2/2007 at 02:31 PM

SPRING TRAINING REPORTING DATES 2007

Ps & Cs - 1st Workout - Position Players - 1st full workout
Baltimore Orioles Feb. 14 Feb. 15 Feb. 19 Feb. 20
Chicago Cubs Feb. 14 Feb. 15 Feb. 19 Feb. 20
Los Angeles Angels Feb. 14 Feb. 15 Feb. 19 Feb. 20
New York Yankees Feb. 14 Feb. 15 Feb. 19 Feb. 20
Philadelphia Phillies Feb. 14 Feb. 15 Feb. 19 Feb. 20
St. Louis Cardinals Feb. 14 Feb. 15 Feb. 19 Feb. 20
San Francisco Giants Feb. 14 Feb. 15 Feb. 19 Feb. 20
Seattle Mariners Feb. 14 Feb. 15 Feb. 19 Feb. 20
Washington Nationals Feb. 14 Feb. 15 Feb. 19 Feb. 20
Atlanta Braves Feb. 15 Feb. 16 Feb. 20 Feb. 21
Cleveland Indians Feb. 15 Feb. 17 Feb. 20 Feb. 22
Colorado Rockies Feb. 15 Feb. 16 Feb. 24 Feb. 25
Detroit Tigers Feb. 15 Feb. 16 Feb. 20 Feb. 21
Houston Astros Feb. 15 Feb. 16 Feb. 21 Feb. 22
Pittsburgh Pirates Feb. 15 Feb. 16 Feb. 20 Feb. 21
San Diego Padres Feb. 15 Feb. 16 Feb. 20 Feb. 21
Arizona D-Backs Feb. 16 Feb. 17 Feb. 21 Feb. 22
Chicago White Sox Feb. 16 Feb. 17 Feb. 21 Feb. 22
Kansas City Royals Feb. 16 Feb. 17 Feb. 21 Feb. 22
Los Angeles Dodgers Feb. 16 Feb. 17 Feb. 20 Feb. 21
New York Mets Feb. 16 Feb. 17 Feb. 20 Feb. 21
Oakland Athletics Feb. 16 Feb. 17 Feb. 21 Feb. 22
Tampa Bay Devil Rays Feb. 16 Feb. 17 Feb. 21 Feb. 22
Toronto Blue Jays Feb. 16 Feb. 17 Feb. 21 Feb. 22
Boston Red Sox Feb. 17 Feb. 18 Feb. 21 Feb. 22
Florida Marlins Feb. 17 Feb. 18 Feb. 20 Feb. 21
Milwaukee Brewers Feb. 17 Feb. 18 Feb. 23 Feb. 24
Texas Rangers Feb. 17 Feb. 18 Feb. 22 Feb. 23
Cincinnati Reds Feb. 18 Feb. 19 Feb. 22 Feb. 23
Minnesota Twins Feb. 18 Feb. 19 Feb. 23 Feb. 24


ozzypie - 2/2/2007 at 07:19 PM

quote:
Phillies Phever!!!!!!!
Catch it peeps!

I'm expecting good things from this bunch this year
and for hopefully the next 5-10 years.



If I had a nickel for every time I heard a Philly fan say this......LOL....


croky - 2/2/2007 at 07:42 PM

quote:
quote:
Phillies Phever!!!!!!!
Catch it peeps!

I'm expecting good things from this bunch this year
and for hopefully the next 5-10 years.



If I had a nickel for every time I heard a Philly fan say this......LOL....


That would ring true for most cities, especially NY.


WharfRat - 2/3/2007 at 02:40 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Phillies Phever!!!!!!!
Catch it peeps!

I'm expecting good things from this bunch this year
and for hopefully the next 5-10 years.



If I had a nickel for every time I heard a Philly fan say this......LOL....


That would ring true for most cities, especially NY.


Eff cRoKy



cupofjo - 2/5/2007 at 01:10 PM

Ok football is officially over I am ready for some baseball


ozzypie - 2/5/2007 at 06:17 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Phillies Phever!!!!!!!
Catch it peeps!

I'm expecting good things from this bunch this year
and for hopefully the next 5-10 years.



If I had a nickel for every time I heard a Philly fan say this......LOL....


That would ring true for most cities, especially NY.



New York teams actually win once in a while. Philly teams, well, no need to bring up their lack of success, the Eagles notwithstanding.


You're no fun...let's bring it up!

My first recollection of following sports was when when I was 7 years old.

Assuming a youngster in Philly starts following sports when he's 6, and adding the 23 years since the last major sports championship ('83 Sixers),and considering the Flyers and Sixers plight, if the Phillies don't win the World Series this year, there will be alot of thirty-year olds in Philly who have never seen any of their teams win a championship.

YIKES!!!


gondicar - 2/5/2007 at 09:07 PM

Red Sox have found their closer...he's gonna be lights out.


cupofjo - 2/5/2007 at 09:32 PM

LMAO!


DanB - 2/5/2007 at 11:15 PM

quote:
Ok football is officially over I am ready for some baseball


I'm jonesing for baseball. Hopefully the Braves will compete better this year.


WharfRat - 2/6/2007 at 03:15 AM

quote:
quote:
Ok football is officially over I am ready for some baseball


I'm jonesing for baseball. Hopefully the Braves will compete better this year.


LMFAO


piacere - 2/6/2007 at 04:48 PM

oh poor souls....

repent and follow the path of glory as the beloved Boston Red Sox climb the mountain of glory to the promised land.


ozzypie - 2/6/2007 at 05:50 PM

quote:
oh poor souls....

repent and follow the path of glory as the beloved Boston Red Sox climb the mountain of glory to the promised land.



I repented and followed your Patriots right into the crapper!

Please peddle your false Gods elsewhere!


ozzypie - 2/6/2007 at 07:32 PM

Here's something to ponder: Devil Rays starters had a better ERA in 2006 than Red Sox starters.

It's that statistic that led to the three most expensive words in baseball: "Hello, Mr. Boras?"


Crosscut3 - 2/6/2007 at 08:32 PM

quote:
Here's something to ponder: Devil Rays starters had a better ERA in 2006 than Red Sox starters.

It's that statistic that led to the three most expensive words in baseball: "Hello, Mr. Boras?"


How true that is. The sox had to make a deral with the Devil himself to shore up their staff. It's funny how it looked so strong at the beginning of last year and everything fell apart.


skypup - 2/6/2007 at 08:55 PM

Reds Sign Harang to 4-Year Deal

The Cincinnati Reds and RHP Aaron Harang have avoided arbitration by agreeing to terms on a 4-year contract through the 2010 season with a club option for 2011.
Harang, 28, in 2006 put together one of the best seasons of any pitcher in baseball. The Reds' Opening Day starter led the National League in strikeouts (216) and complete games (6), tied for the NL lead in starts (35) and victories (16) and ranked among the leaders in innings pitched (234.1, 3rd), ERA (3.76, 11th), shutouts (2, T3rd), ERA on the road (2.98, 3rd), fewest walks per 9ip (2.2, 9th) and strikeouts per 9ip (8.3, 6th).


gondicar - 2/6/2007 at 10:33 PM

quote:
quote:
Here's something to ponder: Devil Rays starters had a better ERA in 2006 than Red Sox starters.

It's that statistic that led to the three most expensive words in baseball: "Hello, Mr. Boras?"


How true that is. The sox had to make a deral with the Devil himself to shore up their staff. It's funny how it looked so strong at the beginning of last year and everything fell apart.


Looks pretty good going in to this year as well so you just never know.

RE: Devil Ray starters

Yeah, they were so good that Tampa lost over 100 games (101 to be exact) last season.


WharfRat - 2/7/2007 at 06:10 AM

quote:
Hey Wharfy, it looks like you are stuck with him for a while.


I dont believe that for a minute.

If he think he can get more money somewhere else he will be gone.

Maybe a trip across town will do him good?


WharfRat - 2/7/2007 at 06:10 AM

quote:
quote:
oh poor souls....

repent and follow the path of glory as the beloved Boston Red Sox climb the mountain of glory to the promised land.



From the football thread:


quote:
whining? heh heh, you take me far too seriously when it comes to baseball. I've only recently started following the Red Sox with any interest. I was terribly blase about them for years and only post in the baseball thread to get the exact responses as the two above. I wouldn't give a dead rats ass for the Red Sox or freakin' baseball in general. You guys talk about trades and contracts and prospects and that's cool but I haven't got the slightest idea what you're talking about and I don't want to. If the Sox win, fine, if they lose that's fine too. Overpaid immigrants that would otherwise be pumping gas in Biloxi if it weren't for the fact they can hit a baseball or throw one 100 mph. Just my opinion.



I have nothing furthur to add.



RobFilmMusic - 2/7/2007 at 06:59 AM

quote:
quote:
Hey Wharfy, it looks like you are stuck with him for a while.


I dont believe that for a minute.

If he think he can get more money somewhere else he will be gone.

Maybe a trip across town will do him good?


He's owed something like $81 million over the next 3 seasons after the 2007 season. I recognize someone could give him a larger amount than that but it would be spread out over far more than 3 years. I don't see A-Rod opting out of this deal. Not because of the money but because he wants to suceed in NY and become one of the great Yankees. The guy already has probably around $150 million. How much more of that can you spend? His only real challenge now is to win a WS and get his face on a nice shiney plaque in an outfield somewhere in the Bronx.

[Edited on 2/7/2007 by RobFilmMusic]


cupofjo - 2/7/2007 at 12:01 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Hey Wharfy, it looks like you are stuck with him for a while.


I dont believe that for a minute.

If he think he can get more money somewhere else he will be gone.

Maybe a trip across town will do him good?


We don't need a third baseman or a shortstop. The guys we have at those positions are better than the two that you have.




I would rather have Wright than A-Rod. But I like Jeter. He brings the all those intangibles to the field that you don't see in stats.

Reyes has the potential to be so much more than Jeter. Only time will tell. I remember last year when the Post was trying to create a stir between the two. As a fan I can't get into the hoopla. To many years between the two. Reyes is on the way up Jeter is winding down.


WharfRat - 2/7/2007 at 02:14 PM

quote:
His only real challenge now is to win a WS and get his face on a nice shiney plaque in an outfield somewhere in the Bronx



Obviously, there is nothing I would like more than for PAYrod to win a ring.

But as for a shiny plaque out in LF.. That will NEVER happen.

There is only 2 players on the team right now that have a shot at that.
#2
#42 ( Though that is retiered for Jackie anyway)


gondicar - 2/7/2007 at 03:15 PM

quote:
quote:
His only real challenge now is to win a WS and get his face on a nice shiney plaque in an outfield somewhere in the Bronx



Obviously, there is nothing I would like more than for PAYrod to win a ring.

But as for a shiny plaque out in LF.. That will NEVER happen.

There is only 2 players on the team right now that have a shot at that.
#2
#42 ( Though that is retiered for Jackie anyway)


I dunno, based on what I've seen I think #24 may get there...at the very least it is too early to say he doesn't have a shot...


SkyPuppy - 2/7/2007 at 06:07 PM

Bernie #51 will get a plaque along with Jeter, and Mo.
And don't be suprised to see #21..the warrior someday


gondicar - 2/7/2007 at 10:26 PM

Ok, based on who is already in Monument Park, I guess I could see #21 (has not been issued since O'Neill retired in 2001) and #51 going out there at some point.

As for #42, he'll obviously be in the HoF and Monument Park, but it will be interesting to see how the Yankees handle his number. They are the only team not to list 42 along with their team's retired numbers (the number was grandfathered for all active players wearing it in '97, and Rivera is the only one still active) and to date Robinson has no presense in Monument Park.

I didn't realize there were so many non-Hall of Famers in Monument Park....

Hall of Fame members in Monument Park:

Miller Huggins (never wore a number on his uniform, and so no number is retired for him)
Lou Gehrig
Babe Ruth
Ed Barrow
Joe DiMaggio
Mickey Mantle
Joe McCarthy (never wore a number on his uniform, and so no number is retired for him)
Casey Stengel
Phil Rizzuto
Lefty Gomez (his number 11 has not been retired)
Whitey Ford
Bill Dickey
Yogi Berra
Reggie Jackson
Red Ruffing (his number 15 was not retired, but was later worn by and retired for Munson)
Mel Allen (Ford Frick Award, broadcaster's equivilent of HoF)

Not Hall of Fame members in Monument Park:

Jacob Ruppert (owner 1915-39)
Thurman Munson (catcher 1969-79)
Elston Howard (outfielder and catcher 1955-67, coach 1969-80)
Roger Maris (outfielder 1960-66)
Billy Martin (second baseman 1950-57, manager 1975-78, 1979, 1983, 1985 and 1988)
Allie Reynolds (pitcher 1947-54, his number 22 has not been retired)
Don Mattingly (first baseman 1982-95, coach since 2004)
Bob Sheppard (public address announcer since 1951)
Ron Guidry (pitcher 1975-88, coach 2006)

There is also a monument to the victims and rescue workers of the 9/11 attacks, dedicated on September 11, 2002.


WharfRat - 2/7/2007 at 11:51 PM

quote:
Bernie #51 will get a plaque along with Jeter, and Mo.
And don't be suprised to see #21..the warrior someday


I love them both for what they did for the NYY, but I just dont see that happening.

If they were going to retire Paul's number, they would have done it already.

quote:
I dunno, based on what I've seen I think #24 may get there...at the very least it is too early to say he doesn't have a shot...


Scott, I am assuming you mean Cano?? I would LOVE for him to earn that. I think he can the kid has a good head on his shoulders and seems to play hard 24/7 with little to no attitude.
I wonder where he learned that from???


ozzypie - 2/7/2007 at 11:58 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
Hey Wharfy, it looks like you are stuck with him for a while.


I dont believe that for a minute.

If he think he can get more money somewhere else he will be gone.

Maybe a trip across town will do him good?


We don't need a third baseman or a shortstop. The guys we have at those positions are better than the two that you have.




I would rather have Wright than A-Rod. But I like Jeter. He brings the all those intangibles to the field that you don't see in stats.

Reyes has the potential to be so much more than Jeter. Only time will tell. I remember last year when the Post was trying to create a stir between the two. As a fan I can't get into the hoopla. To many years between the two. Reyes is on the way up Jeter is winding down.



Right now, Reyes is a better player than Jeter. And Reyes will get better. Jeter is a lock HOF'er and if Reyes continues to play like he did in 2006, he will be there someday as well. I would go as far to say that Reyes will be better trhan Wright when all is said and done.



Gee, I'd hate to be left out of this Yankee lovefest....

Seriously though, I know what you're saying and agree up to the point where the game was on the line and I needed the big hit. In that most important of situations Jeter is still the man by far (Ugh...did I just say that?)

Durability might be the defining factor between who is ultimately the better player between Reyes and Wright. Hopefully it will be a contest we will enjoy watching for years to come.


TexGent - 2/8/2007 at 12:21 AM

quote:
Hey Wharfy, it looks like you are stuck with him for a while.


The buzz in Houston has him there in 2008. We'll see. I'm not holding my breath.


WharfRat - 2/8/2007 at 12:57 AM

quote:
quote:
Hey Wharfy, it looks like you are stuck with him for a while.


The buzz in Houston has him there in 2008. We'll see. I'm not holding my breath.


I will personally drive him there is need be


WharfRat - 2/8/2007 at 12:59 AM

quote:
In that most important of situations Jeter is still the man by far (Ugh...did I just say that?)




Jim, you feeling ok Bro?

On a side note, I think Reyes and Wright will be MEGA superstars for years to come.
Personally I think Wright is and will continue to be better. But what the hell do Yankee fans know, right?


crossroad_blues - 2/8/2007 at 01:28 AM

One of my favorite Oriole pitchers died the other day.

Steve Barber. Pitched 8 seasons with the O's, from '60 to '67. Lifetime 121-106. Lifetime stats comparable to Al Downing's.

2 time All-Star. One of a few pitchers in history to lose a No-Hitter. Traded to the Yankees in mid-season in '67.

Born & grew up in Takoma Park, MD, just a few miles from my hometown.


RIP Steve


WharfRat - 2/8/2007 at 01:43 AM

I saw that Chuck

I was gonna mention that here when I saw he pitched for the O's.

I am too young to remember him playing though.


Lose a no-hitter, eh??
Yea, I know a little about that


ozzypie - 2/8/2007 at 01:48 AM

quote:
But what the hell do Yankee fans know, right?


Exactly!


WharfRat - 2/8/2007 at 01:49 AM

quote:
quote:
But what the hell do Yankee fans know, right?


Exactly!


Hello Jim


Crosscut3 - 2/8/2007 at 12:57 PM

quote:
In that most important of situations Jeter is still the man by far (Ugh...did I just say that?)


I do have to agree with this one. Jeter has the winning attitude and he will do whatever it takes to win, guy does have guts.

quote:
On a side note, I think Reyes and Wright will be MEGA superstars for years to come.
Personally I think Wright is and will continue to be better.


I really like Wright. I think he is going to be huge. He does it all- good glove, some power and good speed.


Crosscut3 - 2/8/2007 at 07:35 PM

quote:
Wright suffered from A-Rod disease in the postseason.


That may be true, but his career has just begun. Hopefully, He's got that out of his system.

[Edited on 2/8/2007 by Crosscut3]


gondicar - 2/8/2007 at 07:35 PM

Arroyo, Reds agree on $25 million extension
All-Star pitcher gets 2-year deal after going 14-11 with ERA of 3.29 in '06

CINCINNATI - Right-hander Bronson Arroyo and the Cincinnati Reds agreed Thursday to a $25 million, two-year contract extension through 2010.

Arroyo's previous contract contains $8,075,000 in remaining guaranteed salary: $4,125,000 this year and $3.95 million in 2008.

His extension calls for a $2.5 million signing bonus, payable in 2008, and salaries of $9.5 million in 2009 and $11 million in 2010.

Cincinnati has an $11 million option for 2011 with a $2 million buyout. The price of the option can escalate to $13 million, based on innings.

As part of the extension, Arroyo agreed to eliminate a clause that could have increased his 2008 salary by $325,000 if he pitched 210 innings this year, and $325,000 in possible performance bonuses in 2008.

Arroyo's deal came two days after the Reds agreed to a $36.5 million, four-year contract with Aaron Harang, their other top starter. That agreement also includes a 2011 option.

Arroyo, an NL All-Star, led the major leagues with 240 2-3 innings pitched and was 14-11 with an ERA of 3.29.

He and Harang, who won 16 games and pitched 234 1-3 innings, became the first pair in Reds history to each pitch at least 200 innings and have at least 184 strikeouts. Harang led the National League with 216 strikeouts.

The Reds obtained the 30-year-old Arroyo from Boston last March in a trade for outfielder Wily Mo Pena.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17047774/


Crosscut3 - 2/8/2007 at 07:39 PM

Good for Bronson, He deserves it.


cupofjo - 2/9/2007 at 12:29 AM

Good for Arroyo.

Cincinnati is getting smart by locking up those two for a few years.


WharfRat - 2/9/2007 at 05:50 AM

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In that most important of situations Jeter is still the man by far (Ugh...did I just say that?)


I do have to agree with this one. Jeter has the winning attitude and he will do whatever it takes to win, guy does have guts.

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On a side note, I think Reyes and Wright will be MEGA superstars for years to come.
Personally I think Wright is and will continue to be better.


I really like Wright. I think he is going to be huge. He does it all- good glove, some power and good speed.



Wright suffered from A-Rod disease in the postseason.


Wright is just a kid.
PAYrod doesnt have that excuse


Crosscut3 - 2/9/2007 at 10:51 AM

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Wright is just a kid.
PAYrod doesnt have that excuse


Exactly.


cupofjo - 2/9/2007 at 12:46 PM

A's sign Shannon Stewart to incentative laden contract. They are hoping to get magic in a bottle again.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2758035


cupofjo - 2/9/2007 at 12:50 PM

Bud Selig is not committing himself to see Bonds* break the record! What a slap in the face!

I hope he doesnt.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2759294


gondicar - 2/9/2007 at 01:31 PM

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Bud Selig is not committing himself to see Bonds* break the record! What a slap in the face!

I hope he doesnt.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2759294


Well, ol' Bud made his bed and now he has to sleep in it. By waiting so long to address perf enhancing drugs in any meaningful way (some might argue they still haven't) MLB and the commish are now forced to acknowledge Bonds just as they would any other record breaker. Sad but true.

For the sake of all invloved, if it happens let's just hope it happens in San Fran because it could get pretty ugly in a visitors park. Boston in mid-June would be a nightmare scenario...those will be Giants games 68, 69, and 70 of the season, which should be safe since it took him 130 games to hit 26 last season. Iif he maintains the same home run pace at age 42 as he did at age 41, he would break Aaron's record during the first week of September (they are home against the Dodgers and Dbacks 9/7-9/12).


WharfRat - 2/9/2007 at 02:01 PM

I still cant understand why even SF fans support this freaking moron.

I would think Bud would be there.

I really hope that Aaron isnt.

That would be more of a slap in the face to barry* then anything else.

Not that he cares, but it would be pretty sweet


gondicar - 2/9/2007 at 02:06 PM

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I still cant understand why even SF fans support this freaking moron.

I would think Bud would be there.

I really hope that Aaron isnt.

That would be more of a slap in the face to barry* then anything else.

Not that he cares, but it would be pretty sweet


I'm with ya on the SF fans, I just don't get it.

I believe I read recently that Aaron has said he will not be there and does not plan to participate in any way.


gondicar - 2/9/2007 at 02:09 PM

And if he thinks he doesn't see any pitches now, can you just imagine how many times he will walk if/when he gets to HRs 754 and 755?


WharfRat - 2/9/2007 at 02:12 PM

Too bad Clemens will prolly be in the AL.

Not that I would condone any pitcher intentionally hitting a batter

Maybe the Yanks ( or Sox) could loan Roger to Houston when they play SF


gondicar - 2/9/2007 at 02:37 PM

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Maybe the Yanks ( or Sox) could loan Roger to Houston when they play SF


Both the Sox and Yanks play SF this year, so one way or another he'll probably get his chance.


ozzypie - 2/9/2007 at 04:32 PM

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I still cant understand why even SF fans support this freaking moron.

I would think Bud would be there.

I really hope that Aaron isnt.

That would be more of a slap in the face to barry* then anything else.

Not that he cares, but it would be pretty sweet


I'm with ya on the SF fans, I just don't get it.




Isn't love blind? Think about it. You've rooted for someone who's been, by far and away, the best player on your team and one of the best in his sport, for over 10 years. You love the guy, then you find out he probably did something very bad, do you automatically start to hate him? How many Cards fans hate Mcgwire?


RobFilmMusic - 2/9/2007 at 06:20 PM

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Too bad Clemens will prolly be in the AL.

Not that I would condone any pitcher intentionally hitting a batter

Maybe the Yanks ( or Sox) could loan Roger to Houston when they play SF


Between Schilling and Beckett on the Sox...... one way or another he'll get beaned at some point if he attempts to break the record at Fenway, i think.


WharfRat - 2/10/2007 at 01:48 AM

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I still cant understand why even SF fans support this freaking moron.

I would think Bud would be there.

I really hope that Aaron isnt.

That would be more of a slap in the face to barry* then anything else.

Not that he cares, but it would be pretty sweet


I'm with ya on the SF fans, I just don't get it.




Isn't love blind? Think about it. You've rooted for someone who's been, by far and away, the best player on your team and one of the best in his sport, for over 10 years. You love the guy, then you find out he probably did something very bad, do you automatically start to hate him? How many Cards fans hate Mcgwire?



Bonds has been a jackass his entire time in SF.

From what I remember, McGuire was a very well liked guy whiile in STL.

There would be the difference


cupofjo - 2/10/2007 at 02:22 AM

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I still cant understand why even SF fans support this freaking moron.

I would think Bud would be there.

I really hope that Aaron isnt.

That would be more of a slap in the face to barry* then anything else.

Not that he cares, but it would be pretty sweet


I'm with ya on the SF fans, I just don't get it.




Isn't love blind? Think about it. You've rooted for someone who's been, by far and away, the best player on your team and one of the best in his sport, for over 10 years. You love the guy, then you find out he probably did something very bad, do you automatically start to hate him? How many Cards fans hate Mcgwire?



Bonds has been a jackass his entire time in SF.

From what I remember, McGuire was a very well liked guy whiile in STL.

There would be the difference


He has been an ass right from the get go! Remember him in Pittsburgh?


crossroad_blues - 2/10/2007 at 03:59 AM

On another Sad Note......

Yankee great Hank Bauer died today. Getting kinda freeky. Steve Barber, a pitcher that played for Hank when he managed the Baltimore Orioles died the other day, now Hank.

Hank was a 3 time all-star. His mark of hitting in 17 consecutive World Series games still stands today. He was AL Manager Of The Year with the O's in '64 & '66, the year the O's swept the World Series from Sandy Koufax and the LA Dodgers.

Hank had 3 year taken off his career while serving in the Marine Corps during WWII. He was wounded in the leg during the battle of Okinawa. He also participated in the landing at Guadacanal. He won 2 Bronze Stars & 2 Purple Hearts.





Here's to you Hank. One of the great ones. We're gonna miss you.


Scooter, Hank & Yogi


WharfRat - 2/10/2007 at 10:56 AM


cupofjo - 2/11/2007 at 03:11 AM

Mets reach agreement with Chan Ho Park. 600,000 with chance to earn 2.4 million.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2759773


WharfRat - 2/11/2007 at 03:12 AM

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I read that Bernie Williams turned down the Yankees offer of a minor league contract. I'm sure that someone could use him, some young team that could use an experienced 4th or 5th outfielder.


I just cant picture him in another uniform


cupofjo - 2/11/2007 at 03:16 AM

Me neither


TexGent - 2/12/2007 at 06:10 AM

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Too bad Clemens will prolly be in the AL.

Not that I would condone any pitcher intentionally hitting a batter

Maybe the Yanks ( or Sox) could loan Roger to Houston when they play SF


Maybe the 'stros could activate Ryan for a game during that series. Roger could bean barry* one night and Nolan could charge the batter's box the next.


gondicar - 2/12/2007 at 12:52 PM

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I read that Bernie Williams turned down the Yankees offer of a minor league contract. I'm sure that someone could use him, some young team that could use an experienced 4th or 5th outfielder.


I just cant picture him in another uniform


You may have to. He doesn't sound like he is ready to hang 'em up yet and he Yankees don't have a spot for him.


The word on the street that I am hearing is that he is going to keep working out and wait for a call from the Yankees.

Of course if that happens it means the Yanks are in tough spot with a hole that they need him to fill. Hopefully they'll have to call on him to play center...not that I'd ever wish an injury upon anyone.


cupofjo - 2/12/2007 at 01:08 PM

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Too bad Clemens will prolly be in the AL.

Not that I would condone any pitcher intentionally hitting a batter

Maybe the Yanks ( or Sox) could loan Roger to Houston when they play SF


Maybe the 'stros could activate Ryan for a game during that series. Roger could bean barry* one night and Nolan could charge the batter's box the next.




WharfRat - 2/12/2007 at 02:05 PM

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I read that Bernie Williams turned down the Yankees offer of a minor league contract. I'm sure that someone could use him, some young team that could use an experienced 4th or 5th outfielder.


I just cant picture him in another uniform


You may have to. He doesn't sound like he is ready to hang 'em up yet and he Yankees don't have a spot for him.


The word on the street that I am hearing is that he is going to keep working out and wait for a call from the Yankees.

Of course if that happens it means the Yanks are in tough spot with a hole that they need him to fill. Hopefully they'll have to call on him to play center...not that I'd ever wish an injury upon anyone.


Hey now


WharfRat - 2/12/2007 at 02:40 PM

One more day


gondicar - 2/12/2007 at 10:09 PM

The truck is loaded up and headed south!




WharfRat - 2/13/2007 at 07:09 AM

I saw that truck heading down 95.

I threw rocks at it


WharfRat - 2/13/2007 at 07:42 AM

Oh man.. this does NOT sound good

Bernie was one thing.. but this is something much much MUCH worse


http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070212&content_id =1800193&vkey=news_nyy&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy


TAMPA -- Mariano Rivera acknowledged the absence of longtime teammate Bernie Williams on Monday, calling it "strange."
Could players be saying the same thing about the Yankees closer one year from now? Rivera's commitment to the team expires after 2007, and while he said he would love to retire in New York, he realizes that scenario is not yet certain.

"Definitely, I want to finish my career here," Rivera said. "But if they don't give me the respect that I deserve, [if] I have to move on, I have to move on. The Yankees always give me respect. When it comes to these times, I don't like to talk about it."

Rivera -- with Williams' apparent parting, now the longest-tenured Yankees big leaguer -- met the media near the front entrance of the Yankees' Minor League complex, his words draped by the background of passing traffic.

Though he appears to have given some thought to his baseball fate, Rivera insisted that he is not upset. Rivera's focus, he said, remains on helping the 2007 Yankees accomplish their goal of a World Series championship.

That mission begins Tuesday, as pitchers and catchers officially report to Legends Field. As Rivera noted, he is under contract with the team, and would not let any uncertainty concerning his future creep into his current obligations.

"I'm not that kind of player," Rivera said. "I play for the team. I'm a team player. I don't have to think about that stuff."





[Edited on 2/13/2007 by WharfRat]


Crosscut3 - 2/13/2007 at 12:26 PM

Losing Mo would be tough on the Yanks, but that's not really a concern for us because the Sox are now his Daddy.


SkyPuppy - 2/13/2007 at 01:27 PM

LMAO...Mo is NOT going anywhere!!
Man, Febuary is such a slow sports month they have to come up with something!
Mo, and Bernie will retire Yankees.
I'm as sure of this as I was when I said they would never stop the World Series in 1994


SkyPuppy - 2/13/2007 at 01:29 PM

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Losing Mo would be tough on the Yanks, but that's not really a concern for us because the Sox are now his Daddy.

Someone is still feeding off a couple of games from 2004..check the stat's since that series


gondicar - 2/13/2007 at 02:02 PM

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Losing Mo would be tough on the Yanks, but that's not really a concern for us because the Sox are now his Daddy.

Someone is still feeding off a couple of games from 2004..check the stat's since that series


You mean they've played since that series?


piacere - 2/13/2007 at 02:16 PM

gotta give a shout out.....

Hey Chuck, that 9/16/'71 show is SMOKIN'.

Thanks for your time and effort, bro. You're a good guy.


Crosscut3 - 2/13/2007 at 02:19 PM

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I'm as sure of this as I was when I said they would never stop the World Series in 1994

LMAO

These days, I am not sure of anyone staying put on any one team. There is no loyalty on either side, from management or players. Free Agency has ruined the game.

[Edited on 2/13/2007 by Crosscut3]


Crosscut3 - 2/13/2007 at 02:23 PM

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Someone is still feeding off a couple of games from 2004..check the stat's since that series


You gotta live somehow. We need to take what we can get after last year's flop.


SkyPuppy - 2/13/2007 at 02:44 PM

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Losing Mo would be tough on the Yanks, but that's not really a concern for us because the Sox are now his Daddy.

Someone is still feeding off a couple of games from 2004..check the stat's since that series


You mean they've played since that series?




why did I even bring up "that" series..I'm only going to depress myself.

But you can rest assured (well, not you) the Yankees will sign Mo. I just wish Mo would have just said something like..."I'm sure we will get it done, the Yankees have always taken care of me." But this could be the last contract he signs, so I can't blame him for wanting to get every last cent he deserves...and will probably get
He already made it clear he wants to stay here, and retire a Yankee. He also went as far as to say he wants to still be here when the new Stadium opens in '09.
I swear, here and now. If the Yankees ever lost Mo due to their doings this year, and he moves on.. I will donate my season tickets and never attend another game.

On that note..it just came to me. Not trying to peddle here..just offering up to those who might want. Getting rid of Yankees tickets is not difficult.
If anyone is visiting NYC this season, and would like to see a Yankees game, you can PM me and see if I have tickets available. We dont go to all the games, and I sell off alot. It is an almost impossible ticket to get as they are basically Sold Out every game. I have 4 seats in the tier boxs right behind 3rd base 7 rows from the railing, on the aisle.
I'm so looking forward to this year, a lot of Bad blood is off the team, and it has more of a feel of the mid 90's. Still too much of an All Star team, but there is some youth on this team which breeds enthusiasm thoughout the team.
I don't know what's going to happen with Bernie. He doensn't want to play anywhere else, but he doesn't want to retire. Tough call.


[Edited on 2/13/2007 by SkyPuppy]


WharfRat - 2/13/2007 at 03:42 PM

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I don't know what's going to happen with Bernie. He doensn't want to play anywhere else, but he doesn't want to retire. Tough call.




I think they should move Abreu( contract is up anyway) and let Melky start. He has earned it.

Then they can sign Bernie play one more year as a 4th outfielder.

I also see that Jorge's contract is up as well.
I dont see him leaving though.. Especailly since we really dont have anyone waiting in the wings.
Wish they disnt trade Navarro for Johnson


WharfRat - 2/13/2007 at 03:43 PM

quote:
On that note..it just came to me. Not trying to peddle here..just offering up to those who might want. Getting rid of Yankees tickets is not difficult.
If anyone is visiting NYC this season, and would like to see a Yankees game, you can PM me and see if I have tickets available. We dont go to all the games, and I sell off alot. It is an almost impossible ticket to get as they are basically Sold Out every game. I have 4 seats in the tier boxs right behind 3rd base 7 rows from the railing, on the aisle.




Catch up with me at The Beacon and we can discuss this.


WharfRat - 2/13/2007 at 03:45 PM

Oh and one more thing......


PITCHERS AND CATCHERS HAVE REPORTED


Well, beat the drum and hold the phone - the sun came out today!
We're born again, there's new grass on the field.
A-roundin' third, and headed for home, it's a brown-eyed handsome man;
Anyone can understand the way I feel.

[Chorus:]
Oh, put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play today;
Put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play today;
Look at me, I can be Centerfield.

Well, I spent some time in the Mudville Nine, watchin' it from the bench;
You know I took some lumps when the Mighty Casey struck out.
So Say Hey Willie, tell Ty Cobb and Joe DiMaggio;
Don't say "it ain't so", you know the time is now.

[Chorus]

Yeah! I got it, I got it!

Got a beat-up glove, a homemade bat, and brand-new pair of shoes;
You know I think it's time to give this game a ride.
Just to hit the ball and touch 'em all - a moment in the sun;
(pop) It's gone and you can tell that one goodbye!






Let the opening day countdown begin


WharfRat - 2/13/2007 at 03:53 PM

Melky is young and still getting better

Abreu has peaked - He IS a good player though.

But all the Yankee bashers are always riding us about the Yanks being OLD, so I think we should get younger


Crosscut3 - 2/13/2007 at 04:09 PM

I was reading an article today that was kind of funny. It said that only the Giants could get younger by adding 34 year old Dave Roberts to play center field.

Look at some of their pickups this year, Aurillia, Klesko, roberts. Add them to Bonds, Durham and Vizquel and you have a pretty good spokesteam for Geritol and/or Ben Gay.


WharfRat - 2/13/2007 at 04:19 PM

LMAO

And they lost thier best pitcher ( Schmidt). and Zito is VERY overrated, IMHO.

Could be a looooooong season by the bay


SkyPuppy - 2/13/2007 at 04:20 PM

quote:
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On that note..it just came to me. Not trying to peddle here..just offering up to those who might want. Getting rid of Yankees tickets is not difficult.
If anyone is visiting NYC this season, and would like to see a Yankees game, you can PM me and see if I have tickets available. We dont go to all the games, and I sell off alot. It is an almost impossible ticket to get as they are basically Sold Out every game. I have 4 seats in the tier boxs right behind 3rd base 7 rows from the railing, on the aisle.




Catch up with me at The Beacon and we can discuss this.

Will do...looking forward to meeting a lot of you all anyway


WharfRat - 2/13/2007 at 04:24 PM

And you were right Puppy..

I just checked a few random games on TM..

All either sold out, or seats were you are up close and personal with the lighting fixtures

Noooooooooooooooooo

I did see that there are left field bleachers left for Old Timers Day.. Hmmmm


SkyPuppy - 2/13/2007 at 06:31 PM

The Bleachers are a trip if you have never been there...can be fun if you don't go in battle gear (other teams shirts). Last OTD got rained out, was going to be a good one too..'77-'78 Yankees.


RobFilmMusic - 2/13/2007 at 07:24 PM

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I don't know what's going to happen with Bernie. He doensn't want to play anywhere else, but he doesn't want to retire. Tough call.




I think they should move Abreu( contract is up anyway) and let Melky start. He has earned it.

Then they can sign Bernie play one more year as a 4th outfielder.

I also see that Jorge's contract is up as well.
I dont see him leaving though.. Especailly since we really dont have anyone waiting in the wings.
Wish they disnt trade Navarro for Johnson



Mistake. Melky is, at best, a 4th outfielder. Abreu is better on a bad day than Melky is on a good one.


You're forgetting that Chuck secretly has a crush on Melky


WharfRat - 2/14/2007 at 05:57 AM

eFF all of you


gondicar - 2/14/2007 at 01:18 PM

Yankee pitchers and catchers arrived in camp yesterday, and already Mo is throwing around the "R" word, as in R-E-S-P-E-C-T, find out what it means to me...sound familiar, Pedro?


Yankees closer Mariano Rivera raised the possibility of leaving New York at the end of this season, according to George King of the New York Post. Rivera's contract is up after the World Series. "I know I have one more year," Rivera told reporters Monday following a light workout at the club's minor-league complex. "After that, I don't know what's going to happen. Definitely I want to finish my career here, but if they don't give the respect that I deserve, I have to move on." Rivera's agent said he has had no contact with the Yankees about a possible extension and he does not expect to have any by the end of the season.


[Edited on 2/14/2007 by gondicar]


ozzypie - 2/14/2007 at 02:15 PM

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eFF all of you



At least let me do something to deserve that....



WharfRat - 2/14/2007 at 02:48 PM

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eFF all of you



At least let me do something to deserve that....





You deserved that long ago bro


WharfRat - 2/14/2007 at 02:48 PM

quote:
Yankee pitchers and catchers arrived in camp yesterday, and already Mo is throwing around the "R" word, as in R-E-S-P-E-C-T, find out what it means to me...sound familiar, Pedro?


Yankees closer Mariano Rivera raised the possibility of leaving New York at the end of this season, according to George King of the New York Post. Rivera's contract is up after the World Series. "I know I have one more year," Rivera told reporters Monday following a light workout at the club's minor-league complex. "After that, I don't know what's going to happen. Definitely I want to finish my career here, but if they don't give the respect that I deserve, I have to move on." Rivera's agent said he has had no contact with the Yankees about a possible extension and he does not expect to have any by the end of the season.


[Edited on 2/14/2007 by gondicar]


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ThePeteMan - 2/15/2007 at 09:22 PM

Howdy Diamondheads!

Been out of town for 10 days, just making it back in time to catch the Daily News's first (of many) "Aaron Heilman wants to start" stories.

Personally I wish they would give him a shot in camp. If he's developed another out pitch, he's better news than Chan Ho Park in the 5 slot. I've never understood the TOTAL unwillingness to even let the guy TRY.


RobFilmMusic - 2/15/2007 at 10:20 PM

Now that Trachsel is gone and Pedro is still a ? who is in the Met's rotation other than Glavine and Perez?


crossroad_blues - 2/16/2007 at 02:13 AM

Bad New today.

Barry Bonds* signed his contract & will report to training camp.

http://www.comcast.net/sports/index.jsp?cat=SPORTS&fn=/2007/02/15/58822 3.html

Guess I was holding onto that little ray of hope that Bonds* would use the reworked contract as a way out and do the right thing for Baseball. Guess not. Deep down I always figured that he thinks himself more important than the Game.


WharfRat - 2/16/2007 at 02:21 AM

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Bonds do the right thing? What color is the sky on the planet you live on? Bonds cares about one thing, himself. I wish Clemens would sign with Houston and put one in Bonds ear. With the size of that head, he couldn't miss.


As someone pointed out ( and I missed this...)

The Yanks and Boston both play SF this year

No matter what.. at some point.. Barry* will prolly face Roger

I would imagine Schilling will have a little swet chin music goin on as well


crossroad_blues - 2/16/2007 at 02:25 AM

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Bonds do the right thing? What color is the sky on the planet you live on?
can't tell; it's dark out.
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Bonds cares about one thing, himself. I wish Clemens would sign with Houston and put one in Bonds ear. With the size of that head, he couldn't miss.
Nah, Bonds* just came off of a knee operation. Hit him there.

I'll even volunteer.

Where's Tanya Harding & her goons when you need 'em?

[Edited on 2/16/2007 by crossroad_blues]


WharfRat - 2/16/2007 at 02:28 AM

LMFAO


Well in that case....

Andy Pettitte is too nice of a guy to headhunt.

But I do think he would "knee-hunt"


crossroad_blues - 2/16/2007 at 02:39 AM

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Hey CB, aren't you an Orioles fan? If so, good luck with Trachsel. Pack a couple of meals if you go to a game he pitches. It will be a looooooooong day.


Don't worry about that. I've made a commitment to not give Peter Angelos any more of my hard earned money. Haven't been to an O's game since Ripken left.

Oops, I did tell Wharfy that if he wanted to see a Yankees game at Camden Yards I'd go.......but that's it. BTW, Camden Yards is a beautiful place to see a ballgame.

Angelos has completed the ruination of a good franchise. 'Effin' Lawyers!


crossroad_blues - 2/16/2007 at 02:48 AM

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I agree. Baltimore used to be a great franchise. You could count on them being in the thick of things throughout the season.

Yep, throughout the '60's to the '80's until the first lawyer, Edward Bennett Williams, got hold of the ownership and decided what the O's needed were players like Allan Wiggins & Glen Davis. Now Angelos goes for Albert Belle & Sammy Sosa.

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I wonder how many players want to be traded now that Anna Benson won't be around much this year.
Fans too.


WharfRat - 2/16/2007 at 11:07 AM

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Oops, I did tell Wharfy that if he wanted to see a Yankees game at Camden Yards I'd go



SkyPuppy - 2/16/2007 at 03:32 PM

Brian Cashman, playing Russian Roulette with Mariano.
I hope this doesn't get ugly, and end with a bad taste.
This is not going to be a fun topic to watch all year.
It's actually going to make me sick I think

I love Camden Yards. What a Ballpark


ozzypie - 2/16/2007 at 03:48 PM

Since we're talking about ballparks, relieving and the Yankees...


SkyPuppy - 2/16/2007 at 04:20 PM

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Since we're talking about ballparks, relieving and the Yankees...



Ah, that's no big thing.


gondicar - 2/16/2007 at 08:34 PM

Keith Foulke (my personal choice for '04 World Series MVP) has retired:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17185438/



And in other news, is this story related in any way to the photo above?

Steinbrenner’s designated successor arrested
Swindal, married to Boss' daughter, faces court date March 15 for DUI
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crossroad_blues - 2/17/2007 at 02:56 AM

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I love Camden Yards. What a Ballpark


Thanks. Camden Yards is the perfect place to watch a ballgame.

Right about now, it's the only thing we got going for us.


WharfRat - 2/17/2007 at 02:59 AM

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Since we're talking about ballparks, relieving and the Yankees...



Ah, that's no big thing.


A every game occurance actually


crossroad_blues - 2/17/2007 at 03:06 AM

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Since we're talking about ballparks, relieving and the Yankees...



Ah, that's no big thing.


A every game occurance actually


where's those astronaut diapers when you need 'em?


SkyPuppy - 2/17/2007 at 02:32 PM

I know fans like this..
They don't really hate the Yankees, they hate that they are not the Yankees.
So, now, I just pity them.
You really want to impress...do that while you have the Bleacher Creatures standing by .
THAT, would be a picture!!


piacere - 2/17/2007 at 02:43 PM

quote:
I know fans like this..
They don't really hate the Yankees, they hate that they are not the Yankees.
So, now, I just pity them.
You really want to impress...do that while you have the Bleacher Creatures standing by .
THAT, would be a picture!!


Hey Pup, what's up? If you hadn't put that face after that comment, I'd have thought you were serious.


SkyPuppy - 2/17/2007 at 04:26 PM

quote:
quote:
I know fans like this..
They don't really hate the Yankees, they hate that they are not the Yankees.
So, now, I just pity them.
You really want to impress...do that while you have the Bleacher Creatures standing by .
THAT, would be a picture!!


Hey Pup, what's up? If you hadn't put that face after that comment, I'd have thought you were serious.





LOL..I made that mistake the first time I posted here, and I got gang raped. And not one of you sent me flowers, or called afterwards.

And there are fan's who do hate the fact they are not Yankee's fans,and they don't have our tradition. That's where their resentment come's from.
But it's always been good natured jabs from me, even if it didn't always appear to be.


WharfRat - 2/18/2007 at 01:59 AM

Wouldnt be much fun if everyone was a Yankee fan


SkyPuppy - 2/18/2007 at 02:40 AM

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Wouldnt be much fun if everyone was a Yankee fan

Very True..


SkyPuppy - 2/18/2007 at 12:56 PM

BAAAAAAAAA


WharfRat - 2/18/2007 at 02:42 PM

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quote:
Wouldnt be much fun if everyone was a Yankee fan



Like a herd of sheep, blindly following a tradition that only they think is worth anything.


No.


RobFilmMusic - 2/18/2007 at 03:27 PM

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Wouldnt be much fun if everyone was a Yankee fan



Like a herd of sheep, blindly following a tradition that only they think is worth anything.


No.


HELL YES


WharfRat - 2/18/2007 at 03:28 PM


WharfRat - 2/18/2007 at 03:35 PM

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Wouldnt be much fun if everyone was a Yankee fan



Like a herd of sheep, blindly following a tradition that only they think is worth anything.


No.


HELL YES



Can I get an AMEN!!!!



Hardly.

When I became a Yankee fan, All of my friends were Met fans.
Noone I knew at that time was a Yankee fan.
Some things never change


WharfRat - 2/18/2007 at 03:40 PM

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Wouldnt be much fun if everyone was a Yankee fan



Like a herd of sheep, blindly following a tradition that only they think is worth anything.


No.


HELL YES



Can I get an AMEN!!!!



Hardly.

When I became a Yankee fan, All of my friends were Met fans.
Noone I knew at that time was a Yankee fan.
Some things never change



You mean you weren't born a Yankee fan? You are a convert? Where did you go wrong?


No convert here. Never liked any team before the Yanks.
My earliest Yankee memory is Thurman running at full speed after a foul ball and falling head first in the dugout..


WharfRat - 2/18/2007 at 03:45 PM

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Wouldnt be much fun if everyone was a Yankee fan



Like a herd of sheep, blindly following a tradition that only they think is worth anything.


No.


HELL YES



Can I get an AMEN!!!!



Hardly.

When I became a Yankee fan, All of my friends were Met fans.
Noone I knew at that time was a Yankee fan.
Some things never change



You mean you weren't born a Yankee fan? You are a convert? Where did you go wrong?


No convert here. Never liked any team before the Yanks.
My earliest Yankee memory is Thurman running at full speed after a foul ball and falling head first in the dugout..



That figures. I should have known that what would turn you on to the team was somebody falling on his head.


No, it is an example of someone doing whatever it takes to win.
You listening PAYrod?



And of course................












eFFFFFFFFFFFF oTeFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF


WharfRat - 2/18/2007 at 03:45 PM

quote:
And on that note, I am going to finish up here at work and go home and go to bed. Later, Wharfy.


later


piacere - 2/18/2007 at 05:35 PM

my first baseball memory was watching Dick Radatz, "The Monster" on the hill for the BoSox. I just loved that nickname.

Then, in '67, I thought we were going to win it...then, in '75, I thought...

ahhhh, nevermind.


WharfRat - 2/19/2007 at 04:09 AM

quote:
my first baseball memory was watching Dick Radatz, "The Monster" on the hill for the BoSox. I just loved that nickname.

Then, in '67, I thought we were going to win it...then, in '75, I thought...

ahhhh, nevermind.



Dont forget 1978


WharfRat - 2/19/2007 at 04:09 AM

I think I know what Mark's reply to that will be


ThePeteMan - 2/19/2007 at 04:22 AM

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Hey, I could bring up 1986, but why kick a guy when he is down?




Vegas has done nothing to impact your intelligence and taste, I see.


crossroad_blues - 2/19/2007 at 04:28 AM

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Hey, I could bring up 1986, but why kick a guy when he is down?


"Does anybody here know how to play this game?"



Egg Zak Lee!

[Edited on 2/19/2007 by crossroad_blues]


ThePeteMan - 2/19/2007 at 04:29 AM

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quote:
Hey, I could bring up 1986, but why kick a guy when he is down?


"Does anybody here know how to play this game?"



Egg Zak Lee!


"The placards are terriffic!" The Professor was the best, man.


crossroad_blues - 2/19/2007 at 04:40 AM

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Hey, I could bring up 1986, but why kick a guy when he is down?


"Does anybody here know how to play this game?"



Egg Zak Lee!


"The placards are terriffic!" The Professor was the best, man.



"I never saw a man who juggled his lineup so much and who played so many hunches so successfully." - Connie Mack


WharfRat - 2/19/2007 at 11:10 AM

Seeing Casey in that uniform is just WRONG


gondicar - 2/19/2007 at 05:04 PM

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Seeing Casey in that uniform is just WRONG


It's funny that you say that because, despite all of the success he had with the Yankees, it seems that his years with the Mets are what people remember about him.


Only Mets fans remember him more for being their "lovable loser" (his Mets came in last for all 4 years he managed them) than for becoming the only person to manage a team to five consecutive World Series championships (and winning a total of 7) with the Yankees.


ThePeteMan - 2/19/2007 at 08:39 PM

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quote:
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Seeing Casey in that uniform is just WRONG


It's funny that you say that because, despite all of the success he had with the Yankees, it seems that his years with the Mets are what people remember about him.


Only Mets fans remember him more for being their "lovable loser" (his Mets came in last for all 4 years he managed them) than for becoming the only person to manage a team to five consecutive World Series championships (and winning a total of 7) with the Yankees.




After which, they fired him...

Some things never change.


ThePeteMan - 2/19/2007 at 08:40 PM

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Seeing Casey in that uniform is getting me HOT


Damn, Chuck, you need to get out more...


gondicar - 2/19/2007 at 08:54 PM

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Seeing Casey in that uniform is just WRONG


It's funny that you say that because, despite all of the success he had with the Yankees, it seems that his years with the Mets are what people remember about him.


Only Mets fans remember him more for being their "lovable loser" (his Mets came in last for all 4 years he managed them) than for becoming the only person to manage a team to five consecutive World Series championships (and winning a total of 7) with the Yankees.




After which, they fired him...

Some things never change.


Except I don't think he would have had 4 years in today's world...


crossroad_blues - 2/21/2007 at 02:20 AM

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quote:
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Seeing Casey in that uniform is just WRONG


It's funny that you say that because, despite all of the success he had with the Yankees, it seems that his years with the Mets are what people remember about him.


Only Mets fans remember him more for being their "lovable loser" (his Mets came in last for all 4 years he managed them) than for becoming the only person to manage a team to five consecutive World Series championships (and winning a total of 7) with the Yankees.




In New Yor, the only place that he had any real success, he is remembered as a Met manager over a Yankee manager. That had a lot to do with the press as he was the only Met worth interviewing in those days.


Well, I realize that New York is the center of the universe, to a New Yorker , but I remember Casey from the time I was 5 years old (it's a little fuzzy before that) when my dad would teach me the whole Yankee lineup, with Casey at the helm.

At that time I figured he sat on the right hand side of God, since the Yankees ruled the world then. I'll always remember him as the Yankee's skipper.

American League Champion 10 out of 12 years. World Champion 7 times (5 consecutive). Not too shabby.


WharfRat - 2/21/2007 at 12:07 PM

It's over



http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070221&content_id =1809854&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy

TAMPA, Fla. -- The Yankees have spoken optimistically this week about hoping to see Bernie Williams walk into their Spring Training clubhouse. They can probably stop waiting.
Williams has apparently rejected the Yankees' offer of a non-roster invitation to camp and is not expected to report to the team's Legends Field facility. His agent, Scott Boras, informed The Associated Press of Williams' intentions.

"Other than the invite, there wasn't any information that led him to believe he would be a member of the team," Boras told The AP on Tuesday. "He's continuing to work out [and] will wait to see if their position changes."

Though the Yankees had still not been officially informed of Williams' decision by late Tuesday afternoon, general manager Brian Cashman said that Williams' absence was already a foregone conclusion.

"If he wanted to be here, he'd be here," Cashman said. "You'd have to be stupid not to interpret the answer. He's given us the answer."

Yankees manager Joe Torre said that Williams, 38, was hurt by his nearly non-existent standing within the club's blueprints.

A 16-year Major League veteran, Williams had spent his entire professional career in the Yankees organization, signing with the club as a free agent in 1985 and making his big-league debut in 1991.

A .297 career hitter, Williams developed into a five-time American League All-Star and was a member of four World Series championship teams.

He batted .281 with 12 home runs and 61 RBIs in 131 games for New York last season, playing more than expected when outfielders Hideki Matsui and Gary Sheffield went down to injuries.

Cashman said this week that the emergence of young outfielder Melky Cabrera contributed to making Williams an expendable piece. The Yankees also intend to carry seven relief pitchers and are entertaining a platoon at first base, filling up roster space that could have gone to Williams as a fifth outfielder.

Cashman said he understood Williams' decision but said there was little else he could have offered.

"I respect the fact that he's chosen not to take it," Cashman said. "Now we're focusing on the players who have completed their physicals and are working hard to help this team in '07."

Torre said he spoke via telephone with Williams last week and urged him to accept the invitation, promising the outfielder that there was an opportunity to make the club. If there was not a chance, Torre said he told Williams he wouldn't be coaxing him into attendance.

"I'm waiting for him to call me, and if he doesn't, then he certainly has the right to make decisions," Torre said on Tuesday. "I feel content that I pretty much told him everything I needed to tell him. We talked for an extensive period of time last week and I don't think I missed anything as far as giving him the ability to make this club."

Torre cautioned Williams that, with the Yankees' exhibition opener approaching on March 1, time was essential.

Williams has said that he will remain in baseball shape by working out near his Westchester, N.Y., home, but Torre said that is not an acceptable substitute for taking live batting practice and interacting with his Yankees teammates.

"The longer it goes -- especially when we start playing games (on March 1) -- the less opportunity he's going to have to show his wares, basically," Torre said.

Some Yankees players, like Derek Jeter, have said that they can not relate to what Williams is going through. Catcher Jorge Posada tried repeatedly but was unsuccessful in reaching Williams and said that given a similar consideration, he would have accepted the invitation and attempted to win a job.

Torre said that Williams' personality may have played a role in his reluctance to accept the Yankees' invitation.

Regarded as a cerebral, studious player, Williams delighted fans with his soft-spoken nature and his creative interests. Already an accomplished jazz guitarist, Williams has released a CD and periodically performs at live concerts.

"I don't think there's anything about Bernie that could surprise me -- take that as a plus or a minus," Torre said. "That's just his personality and just him, basically. He's very different in that he's not your typical baseball player, and that's probably why he was a little more sensitive than other players would have been in this situation."

Bryan Hoch is a reporter for MLB.com. This story was not subject to the approval of Major League Baseball or its clubs.


SkyPuppy - 2/21/2007 at 01:23 PM

..Shouldn't end this way, but I'm shocked the Yankees are bending over backwards to accomadate Bernie...not like them.
He's so sensitive.
I'm nor sure though it's over...Bernie can still surprise us...he's been for 16 years now.


ozzypie - 2/21/2007 at 01:41 PM

...it ain't over....it ain't over yet....

Chin up Chuckie,

Bernie doesn't seem to be going anywhere else, and seems to be waiting for something to change on the Yankee landscape. With all of the old men on your team somebody will drop or Doug Minklewitz will be waived and Bernie could be back before you know it.


ozzypie - 2/21/2007 at 06:26 PM

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Minklewitz?


LOL...there was only one year that I felt compelled to even try and remember how to spell his name properly.

I'll go out on a limb and say we're both glad that year's over.


RobFilmMusic - 2/21/2007 at 07:11 PM

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Minklewitz?



gondicar - 2/21/2007 at 08:05 PM

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Minklewitz?


LOL...there was only one year that I felt compelled to even try and remember how to spell his name properly.

I'll go out on a limb and say we're both glad that year's over.


2004?


WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 02:13 AM

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With all of the old men on your team somebody will drop


Take a look at our roster there bud... Decidedly younger this year

Until they sign Roger


WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 02:25 AM

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With all of the old men on your team somebody will drop


Take a look at our roster there bud... Decidedly younger this year

Until they sign Roger



Right. Now instead of being as old as me, this year they are as old as oldcoot.


LMAO.

But no.

Only "old" player in Starting Lineup is Damon, and I think he is 35.
Not excactly ready for Geritol.
yet


WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 02:31 AM

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With all of the old men on your team somebody will drop


Take a look at our roster there bud... Decidedly younger this year

Until they sign Roger



Right. Now instead of being as old as me, this year they are as old as oldcoot.


LMAO.

But no.

Only "old" player in Starting Lineup is Damon, and I think he is 35.
Not excactly ready for Geritol.
yet



How old is Giambi? Posada? Minklewitz?


About the same/ About the same/ And who cares?


WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 02:35 AM

Posada and Giambi will be 36 this year.

Damon is younger then I thought.. Only 33.

Spring chickens I tell ya


WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 02:41 AM

See??? Spring Chickens


WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 02:43 AM

If they are younger then me.... they are spring chickens

With Randy gone, every Yankee is younger then me

Damn youngsters


WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 02:44 AM

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See??? AARP members



Please leave Sang and Coot* out of this


WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 02:45 AM

Julio Franco 08/23/58

Nuff said


WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 02:46 AM

quote:
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If they are younger then me.... they are spring chickens

With Randy gone, every Yankee is younger then me

Damn youngsters


I think Don Zimmer is younger than you.




















WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 02:50 AM

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Julio Franco 08/23/58

Nuff said



8/23/58? That was the date of his first game in MLB.


He can still hit better than most guys.



Maybe thats 1858


WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 02:52 AM

Glavine aint exactly a young pup either

And who the HELL knows who old El Duque is ( Though there are few other pitchers who I would want come October)


WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 02:56 AM

quote:
Don't forget Moises Alou.


Dont worry, he will be on the DL more then he will be on the field


WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 02:56 AM

bed time..

Night Otie


PhotoRon286 - 2/22/2007 at 04:51 AM

I'm shocked:

quote:
Column: Baseball's Plan: Contract Fans
Wednesday, February 21, 2007 4:16 PM EST
The Associated Press
By JIM LITKE

It's a funny business that shuts the doors when customers eager to hand over $179 are still lined up around the block. But that's baseball for you. Every time people try and make nice, it pokes a stick in their eye. Remember contraction? Well, it's back. Only this time, it's fans instead of franchises that baseball is thinking about whacking.

Last season, a half-million of the game's most loyal followers paid $179 to their satellite or cable provider for Major League Baseball's "Extra Innings" package, which entitled subscribers to 60 out-of-market games every week of the season.

Some were New Yorkers retired to condos in Florida who still followed the Mets, others die-hard Dodger fans resettled in Las Vegas and one, apparently, was a very powerful, very angry Massachusetts resident who works part of the year in Washington, D.C.

Come next season, almost half of them probably won't be back.

In a deal that could be announced soon, Major League Baseball is proposing to put "Extra Innings" exclusively on DirecTV, where a majority of its subscribers, about 270,000, already reside. That leaves the 180,000 customers who bought "Extra Innings" on cable and the 50,000 on satellite rival Dish Network with only a few options.

Switch to DirecTV.

Buy "Extra Inning" from baseball's Web site, mlb.com, for $79 and try to follow games featuring players the size of matchsticks.

Watch reruns.

Or make a federal case out of it, something Sen. John Kerry is threatening to do.

"A Red Sox fan," the Massachusetts Democrat said recently, "ought to be able to watch their team without having to switch to DirecTV."

Or not.

Bloggers have started a brushfire of complaints across the Internet and Kerry has asked Federal Communications Commissioner Chairman Kevin Martin to investigate the proposed deal, which neither party has discussed in public thus far. But neither the grass-roots campaign backed by petitions with a few thousand signatures, nor Kerry, even with support from plenty of people in Congress, is likely to stop the deal.

At this point you might ask yourself why MLB would go to so much trouble to kiss off almost a quarter-million fans, especially since the seven-year, $700-million deal with DirecTV is anywhere between $250 million to $300 million less than it might have secured had "Extra Innings" stayed put.

And you might answer that baseball is always making bad decisions, something that was apparent when it sacrificed half the 1994 season and the entire postseason to a labor dispute, or shifted the World Series games to night so kids wouldn't see them, or even when the late Edward Bennett Williams welcomed former commissioner Peter Ueberroth to his first owners meeting with the greeting, "Welcome to the den of the village idiots."

But this time, commissioner Bud Selig & Co. think they're on to something. Though a consortium of cable companies offered similar money, DirecTV sealed the deal by promising to save a spot in its basic programming tier for a 24/7 channel MLB plans to launch by 2009. The cable companies were willing to offer the baseball network as a premium on the sports tier, meaning people who wanted it would have to pay extra.

Nobody has said much about the inspiration for the move, but it wouldn't be surprising to find out it was the NFL. Both leagues air local and national games in a number of cities , but the NFL cut an exclusive deal to put its out-of-market package of games, called "Sunday Ticket," on DirecTV in 1994.

It's faced some legal challenges and threats from Congress since, but the $700 million "Sunday Ticket" brings in annually buys a lot of lawyers. And besides, the heat from disgruntled fans has been minimal. Those who wanted out-of-market NFL games were forced to migrate to DirecTV from the beginning. Unlike their baseball counterparts, they're not losing something they already had.

Nobody knows whether baseball has outsmarted itself yet again, but there's more than the 230,000 fans at stake. Assume the deal with to DirecTV gets done, the MLB channel launches in 2009 and the demand for baseball, including out-of-market games, ramps up. Then what?

Instead of the 75 million homes that could have ordered "Extra Innings" through cable, Dish Network and DirecTV, only the 15 million on DirecTV will even have the option. So we'll spare the people at MLB headquarters the usual headaches coming up with a slogan for the rollout on the new ad campaign.

"Baseball: Love it AND leave it."


WharfRat - 2/22/2007 at 09:54 AM

At least baseball fans can FIND thier team on TV


ozzypie - 2/22/2007 at 04:40 PM

A pain in the neck for sure...


El Duque returns to New York for neck exam

February 22, 2007

PORT ST. LUCIE, Fla. (AP) -- Orlando Hernandez left the New York Mets' spring training camp and returned to New York to have his neck examined.

El Duque, slated to be the No. 2 starter behind Tom Glavine in the Mets' shaky starting rotation, felt discomfort in his neck last season and the soreness returned this spring training, New York general manager Omar Minaya said before Thursday's workout.

Hernandez went 11-11 with a 4.66 ERA last season, including 9-7 with a 4.09 ERA after the Mets acquired him from Arizona in late May. The 41-year-old right-hander missed the playoffs because of a torn calf muscle.

New York already is without Pedro Martinez, out until midseason following rotator cuff surgery. Among those competing for starting jobs are prospects Philip Humber and Mike Pelfrey, and veterans Jorge Sosa, Chan Ho Park, Jason Vargas, Juan Padilla and Aaron Sele.



ozzypie - 2/22/2007 at 05:01 PM

So he knew about the pain LAST season and now suddenly it's a problem THIS season?? Funny how it didn't plague him during his offseason workouts....assuming he did any offseason workouts!


ThePeteMan - 2/22/2007 at 06:44 PM



You CANNOT rely on as many old guys as the Mets are trying to rely on. The Mets better hope that a real kiddie corps emerges out of Humber, Pelfrey, Maine and O Perez. It would be nice to have ONE starter who wasn't either geriatric or still trailing placenta.


gondicar - 2/23/2007 at 04:21 PM

<bump>

The Sox said they do not plan to offer Schilling a contract extension before the end of spring training as he requested, and he says he'll file for free agency. This is a good thing IMO...at his age the team has to play it safe, and having to play for a contract (whether with Boston or someone else) may help put a little more pop on his fastball this season.

If nothing else, the Matsuzaka era is going to be very entertaining. In addition to the usual throng of Boston media, the guy has over 100 Japanese reporters following his every move and attending his daily press conferences. At this point he seems to handle it all with ease, and even seems to have a sense of humor and personality that other Japanese players have really shown much of...will be interesting to see what happens during the season especially if he doesn't win right away. The Boston media is also having fun speculating that Matsuzaka could lure Icharo to Boston next year...

The news that Mariners outfielder Ichiro Suzuki, frustrated by years of losing in Seattle, may explore free agency after the season has not been lost on Daisuke Matsuzaka. Matsuzaka was asked about Ichiro leaving Seattle, and whether as a friend he could entice the former American League batting champion into coming to Boston.

"I had the opportunity to play on the same team with Ichiro for the first time ever in the World Baseball Classic," Matsuzaka said yesterday through interpreter Sachiyo Sekiguchi. "By being on the same team with Ichiro-san, I felt his greatness and his ability and also his reliability. I felt his greatness through that experience.

"If I could be on the same team with him, there would be nobody I could count on more."


[Edited on 2/23/2007 by gondicar]


RobFilmMusic - 2/23/2007 at 04:30 PM

quote:
<bump>

The Sox said they do not plan to offer Schilling a contract extension before the end of spring training as he requested, and he says he'll file for free agency. This is a good thing IMO...at his age the team has to play it safe, and having to play for a contract (whether with Boston or someone else) may help put a little more pop on his fastball this season.

If nothing else, the Matsuzaka era is going to be very entertaining. In addition to the usual throng of Boston media, the guy has over 100 Japanese reporters following his every move and attending his daily press conferences. At this point he seems to handle it all with ease, and even seems to have a sense of humor and personality that other Japanese players have really shown much of...will be interesting to see what happens during the season especially if he doesn't win right away. The Boston media is also having fun speculating that Matsuzaka could lure Icharo to Boston next year...

The news that Mariners outfielder Ichiro Suzuki, frustrated by years of losing in Seattle, may explore free agency after the season has not been lost on Daisuke Matsuzaka. Matsuzaka was asked about Ichiro leaving Seattle, and whether as a friend he could entice the former American League batting champion into coming to Boston.

"I had the opportunity to play on the same team with Ichiro for the first time ever in the World Baseball Classic," Matsuzaka said yesterday through interpreter Sachiyo Sekiguchi. "By being on the same team with Ichiro-san, I felt his greatness and his ability and also his reliability. I felt his greatness through that experience.

"If I could be on the same team with him, there would be nobody I could count on more."


[Edited on 2/23/2007 by gondicar]


I honestly don't see schilling coming back........ There's way too many good young pitchers the sox have now. I'm thinking Beckett will have a much better year now that he doesn't have the new player spotlight on him. Papelbon will be interesting to watch this year.


SkyPuppy - 2/23/2007 at 05:30 PM

Cudos to The Met's..
The first MLB team to offer Handicapped Access...for their Player's
Does El Duke's AARP cover his arthritis in his neck?

I know...Pavano
...he's an embarrasment.
He's like no Italian I know.

Shilling will go into Politics next year.
Beckett still needs another pitch..2 pitches...same speed...not in the AL!!..think he'll get rocked again.
Papelbon is their ace in the hole for moving back to closer..if his arm can take it.

Across the board...the switch over to HGH from steriods should prove interesting also to watch.
Balls in the owners court to add blood testing. Then, and only then will the game be cleaned up.
I'm getting Juiced for the season to start!!
Um, well, not juiced, juiced.


gondicar - 2/23/2007 at 06:24 PM

Beckett will be fine. He has the stuff, but a lack command and knowing when to throw what pitch cost him at times last year. People forget how young he is because of what he has already done (like being WS MVP against the Yankees). He has pretty much admitted his mistake in not allowing Varitek to do his job in calling games and instead he just wanted to throw what he wanted to throw. That willl change this year...when asked what advice he would give to Matsuzaka, he had just two words: "Trust Tek."

I'm with Theo in in taking a "wait and see" approach with Schill. Even with the young arms coming up, if he can stay healthy, throw 200+ innings and get 15+ wins, I'd want to see him come back next year. If he shows his age then he may decide himself that his time between the white lines is up. Either way, it will work itself out by the end of the season.

I hope they can keep Papelbon as a starter, he could really be something special. But if the closer situation blows up, I won't feel too bad if they have to move him out to the pen, especially if Lester is ready.

The season can't start soon enough.


RobFilmMusic - 2/23/2007 at 09:46 PM

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Beckett will be fine. He has the stuff, but a lack command and knowing when to throw what pitch cost him at times last year. People forget how young he is because of what he has already done (like being WS MVP against the Yankees). He has pretty much admitted his mistake in not allowing Varitek to do his job in calling games and instead he just wanted to throw what he wanted to throw. That willl change this year...when asked what advice he would give to Matsuzaka, he had just two words: "Trust Tek."

I'm with Theo in in taking a "wait and see" approach with Schill. Even with the young arms coming up, if he can stay healthy, throw 200+ innings and get 15+ wins, I'd want to see him come back next year. If he shows his age then he may decide himself that his time between the white lines is up. Either way, it will work itself out by the end of the season.

I hope they can keep Papelbon as a starter, he could really be something special. But if the closer situation blows up, I won't feel too bad if they have to move him out to the pen, especially if Lester is ready.

The season can't start soon enough.


Feels good to have starters under the age of 30 don't it


crossroad_blues - 2/24/2007 at 05:05 AM

Here's a great trip down memory lane....


"Updated: Feb. 23, 2007, 11:14 PM ET
Berra, Larsen watch Perfect Game broadcast


LITTLE FALLS, N.J. -- More than 50 years after etching his name in baseball's record books, Don Larsen finally got to see himself do it.

Along with a crowd of about 100 people Friday night that included former teammate Yogi Berra, the pitcher who owns the only perfect game in World Series history watched the television broadcast of the Oct. 8, 1956, game, courtesy of Illinois collector Doak Ewing.

Neither Larsen nor Berra had ever watched the original broadcast of the game, which was believed to have been lost until Ewing revealed a little more than a year ago that he had purchased a copy from an Oregon collector in the early 1990s.

"It ended the way I hoped it would," Larsen cracked after the game ended and the audience whooped and hollered as if seeing it for the first time.

The black-and-white telecast originally aired on NBC and featured few camera angles, fewer commercials and little of the production values that are ingrained in modern-day baseball telecasts. Legendary broadcaster Mel Allen called the game along with a young Vin Scully.

"The game was two hours, with the commercials," Berra said, adding, "I wish they did that now."

The 77-year-old Larsen watched himself shut down a Brooklyn Dodgers lineup that included Jackie Robinson, Duke Snider and Carl Furillo and then strike out Dale Mitchell on a 1-2 count to end the game.

Larsen recalled how his teammates, cleaving to baseball superstition, refused to sit near him or talk to him in the final few innings.

"I didn't believe in superstition," he said. "I was more uncomfortable the last few innings because no one would talk to me or sit next to me. The only time I was happy was when I was on the mound."

Superstitions played a role off the field as well. Bob Wolff, who did the national radio call, said he didn't mention the perfect game for fear of meeting the same fate as announcer Red Barber in 1947, who repeatedly mentioned Floyd Bevens' unfolding no-hitter only to see it broken up in the late innings.

"Gillette was the sponsor and they had received a lot of letters and telegrams from people complaining," Wolff said. "Fear was my motivating factor; I wanted to work another World Series."

Other members of Friday's audience had their own stories. Paul Lioy's father got him out of school that day to go to the game but nearly caused him to miss the ending because he wanted to beat the traffic home.

"In the bottom of the seventh inning he looked at me and said, 'OK, it's time to leave,'" said Lioy, a professor at New Jersey's Robert Wood Johnson Medical School. "I said, 'But it's a perfect game! It's part of history!' Then two guys who were sitting in the row in front of us turned around and said to him, 'Hey, listen to the kid.' So we stayed."

Lioy's son, Jason, traveled from Pittsburgh to see Friday's broadcast, and neither he nor his father thought once of leaving early.

There were loud cheers when Mickey Mantle homered in the bottom of the fourth inning to give the Yankees the only run they would need and then ran down a liner by Gil Hodges; groans when Snider made a diving catch to rob Berra; and guffaws at Roy Campanella's wooden delivery of a promo for Gillette razors between innings.

Through it all, Larsen and Berra watched intently from different vantage points in the small auditorium.

"Whatever sign I put down, Don got it over," Berra marveled. "He pitched a hell of a game."

Larsen noticed himself on film reaching for the rosin bag more than he remembered in the later innings.

"I was very nervous out there," he said. "I was probably doing that routine to keep myself comfortable."

Roberta Ziemba of nearby Clifton was 16 when her father took her to Yankee Stadium to see Game 5. She brought her ticket stub from the game to show Berra.

"There was a man sitting in front of us, who turned around and said, 'I think you're going to see history today,'" she recalled. "It was so exciting; with every pitch at the end, you didn't want to move."

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press"


Man, what I wouldn't have given to see that! Hopefully it will get released to public domain soon.


WharfRat - 2/24/2007 at 05:55 AM

I saw that.. Tickets were going for $300


crossroad_blues - 2/24/2007 at 06:12 AM

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I saw that.. Tickets were going for $300


Yow!

.....but, you know................call me crazy, but I'm tempted to consider it.


WharfRat - 2/24/2007 at 06:15 AM

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I saw that.. Tickets were going for $300


Yow!

.....but, you know................call me crazy, but I'm tempted to consider it.


no no no...LOL!!

Just that viewing tonight with Yogi and Don was $300

I dunno of they are selling the game vid. I am guessing it prolly will at some point.


crossroad_blues - 2/24/2007 at 06:21 AM

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I saw that.. Tickets were going for $300


Yow!

.....but, you know................call me crazy, but I'm tempted to consider it.


no no no...LOL!!

Just that viewing tonight with Yogi and Don was $300

I dunno of they are selling the game vid. I am guessing it prolly will at some point.


Well, hell. If you throw in Yogi & Larsen....time to burn up my plastic!!!!


WharfRat - 2/24/2007 at 06:26 AM

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I saw that.. Tickets were going for $300


Yow!

.....but, you know................call me crazy, but I'm tempted to consider it.


no no no...LOL!!

Just that viewing tonight with Yogi and Don was $300

I dunno of they are selling the game vid. I am guessing it prolly will at some point.


Well, hell. If you throw in Yogi & Larsen....time to burn up my plastic!!!!



Sad part is.... I considered that

But that is my Beacon cash


crossroad_blues - 2/24/2007 at 06:28 AM

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I saw that.. Tickets were going for $300


Yow!

.....but, you know................call me crazy, but I'm tempted to consider it.


no no no...LOL!!

Just that viewing tonight with Yogi and Don was $300

I dunno of they are selling the game vid. I am guessing it prolly will at some point.


Well, hell. If you throw in Yogi & Larsen....time to burn up my plastic!!!!



Sad part is.... I considered that

But that is my Beacon cash


Well, we got to have our priorities after all.


RobFilmMusic - 2/25/2007 at 10:21 AM

I'm predicting Pavano won't even make it to opening day.



New York Yankees: Carl Pavano's 13th pitch in batting practice was an unlucky one.

The New York Yankees pitcher was hit on the bottom of his left foot by a liner off the bat of infielder Alberto Gonzalez during his second BP session on Saturday.

Although Pavano is experiencing some foot stiffness, the team doesn't believe the injury is serious. After one warm-up toss, the right-hander threw 27 more pitches to complete his workout.

"It hit him square," said Yankees manager Joe Torre, who was watching from a platform behind the batting cage. "I don't think there is an issue at all."

Third baseman Alex Rodriguez faced Kei Igawa and predicted the Japanese left-hander would have a strong season.

"I was very impressed," Rodriguez said. "Fundamentally sound on the mound. My assessment, I think he could win 15 games if not


cupofjo - 2/25/2007 at 02:33 PM

Geesh can he just make 1 week before getting hurt


SkyPuppy - 2/25/2007 at 02:56 PM

Only Pavano could get hit with a ball while throwing from behind a BP screen.

I just want him to show something so we can get him the fluk outta here.

Send him back to Fla, like we sent Randy back to Ariz...get some of that young blood pitching they have.

Eat most of his contract, we're paying him anyway, and he aint doing squat..if he did squat..he'd pull a back muscle anyway.


WharfRat - 2/25/2007 at 05:46 PM

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Eat most of his contract, we're paying him anyway, and he aint doing squat..


Dude, I have been saying that all along. I am sure they are just trying to get to pitch well enough this spring so they can move him. We have a ton of young kids now, and he is just holding him back.


RobFilmMusic - 2/25/2007 at 06:49 PM

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Send him back to Fla, like we sent Randy back to Ariz...get some of that young blood pitching they have.


No team in their right mind would trade young pitching for Carl Pavano............. the only team to pull something dumb enough like that right now is Seattle.


WharfRat - 2/25/2007 at 07:47 PM

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Send him back to Fla, like we sent Randy back to Ariz...get some of that young blood pitching they have.


No team in their right mind would trade young pitching for Carl Pavano............. the only team to pull something dumb enough like that right now is Seattle.


Or Arizona


RobFilmMusic - 2/25/2007 at 09:14 PM

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Send him back to Fla, like we sent Randy back to Ariz...get some of that young blood pitching they have.


No team in their right mind would trade young pitching for Carl Pavano............. the only team to pull something dumb enough like that right now is Seattle.


Or Arizona


Randy Johnson has actually thrown a pitch sucessfully in the last year and half..... Pavano has not.


WharfRat - 2/25/2007 at 11:39 PM

This is a new dawn


WharfRat - 2/25/2007 at 11:45 PM

Not for long


WharfRat - 2/25/2007 at 11:48 PM



WharfRat - 2/25/2007 at 11:57 PM

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Am I missing something? News of anything happening with Torre hasn't made it to the desert.


This is the last year of his contract.

Joe Girardi didnt field any offers to manage,even after winning the Manager of the year..

Joe Girardi did however accept a position with YES.



I will hate to see Joe go after what he has done, but the team has to look towards the future.


cupofjo - 2/26/2007 at 03:45 AM

Say it aint so Joe

I think Joe Girardi would be a good fit if Joe does not come back.


SkyPuppy - 2/26/2007 at 01:11 PM

Doesn't matter how old Joe Girardi is...Donny is the next Yankee Mgr.


gondicar - 2/26/2007 at 01:45 PM

This circus is officially in town...though he said he wasn't going to arrive until March 1, Manny Ramirez showed up at Sox camp in Fort Myers this morning. He is on his way to take his physical, and a Sox official said he is not going to speak with the media (no shock there).

A week from today I will be in Ft. Meyers for my 1st spring training game ever.


ozzypie - 2/26/2007 at 01:48 PM

quote:
Doesn't matter how old Joe Girardi is...Donny is the next Yankee Mgr.


Osmond?


SkyPuppy - 2/26/2007 at 04:40 PM

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quote:
Doesn't matter how old Joe Girardi is...Donny is the next Yankee Mgr.


Osmond?

I used to have the hots for little sister Marie


RobFilmMusic - 2/26/2007 at 06:13 PM

quote:
This circus is officially in town...though he said he wasn't going to arrive until March 1, Manny Ramirez showed up at Sox camp in Fort Myers this morning. He is on his way to take his physical, and a Sox official said he is not going to speak with the media (no shock there).

A week from today I will be in Ft. Meyers for my 1st spring training game ever.




Cool he showed up........ i don't get it...... whatever happens the guy hits .300 40 HR and 120 RBI


gondicar - 2/26/2007 at 06:52 PM



Happy shiny home run hitters.

Bring on the season!!


SkyPuppy - 2/26/2007 at 09:45 PM

quote:
quote:
This circus is officially in town...though he said he wasn't going to arrive until March 1, Manny Ramirez showed up at Sox camp in Fort Myers this morning. He is on his way to take his physical, and a Sox official said he is not going to speak with the media (no shock there).

A week from today I will be in Ft. Meyers for my 1st spring training game ever.


Imagine what he would have hit if he didn't quit on the season last year???

Enjoy Spring Training!!

Cool he showed up........ i don't get it...... whatever happens the guy hits .300 40 HR and 120 RBI


gondicar - 2/26/2007 at 11:03 PM

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Imagine what he would have hit if he didn't quit on the season last year???

Enjoy Spring Training!!


A few more HRs than ARod (they both had 35), but that wouldn't have changed the outcome of the season. Besides, he didn't quit he was hurt.

In any case most of use are used to him by now it will still be interesting to see what the new season holds in the Manny being Manny soap opera.


SkyPuppy - 2/27/2007 at 01:24 PM

Bobby Abreu out -2-3 weeks..
Alas...if only Bernie was in camp..


cupofjo - 2/28/2007 at 01:15 AM

quote:
Bobby Abreu out -2-3 weeks..
Alas...if only Bernie was in camp..


Good thing it is only spring training!


cupofjo - 2/28/2007 at 01:16 AM

quote:
Doesn't matter how old Joe Girardi is...Donny is the next Yankee Mgr.


With Paul O'Neill as the Bench coach Boy do I miss Paulie


crossroad_blues - 2/28/2007 at 02:08 AM

Once again the Veteran's Committee can't come up with enough votes to select anyone for the HOF.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/hof07/news/story?id=2781628

So? Who do you think deserves in? Here's the list....

The breakdown of voting Tuesday by the Hall of Fame Veterans Committee. The 84 eligible voters included 61 Hall members, 14 broadcasters, eight writers and one holdover from the previous panel. Total ballots cast: 82. Necessary for election: 62 from the players' ballot, 61 from the composite ballot. The next election will be held in 2009.

(player, no. of votes, percentage of votes)

Ron Santo 57 69.5
Jim Kaat 52 63.4
Gil Hodges 50 61
Tony Oliva 47 57.3
Maury Wills 33 40.2
Joe Torre 26 37.1
Don Newcombe 17 20.7
Vada Pinson 16 19.5
Roger Maris 15 18.3
Lefty O'Doul 15 18.3
Luis Tiant 15 18.3
Curt Flood 14 17.1
Al Oliver 14 17.1
Mickey Vernon 14 17.1
Minnie Minoso 12 14.6
Cecil Travis 12 14.6
Dick Allen 11 13.4
Marty Marion 11 13.4
Joe Gordon 10 12.2
Ken Boyer 9 11
Mickey Lolich 8 9.8
Wes Ferrell 7 8.5
Sparky Lyle 6 7.3
Carl Mays 6 7.3
Thurman Munson 6 7.3
Rocky Colavito 5 6.1
Bobby Bonds 1 1.2
Composite ballot Votes Pct.
Doug Harvey 52 64.2
Marvin Miller 51 63
Walter O'Malley 36 44.4
Buzzy Bavasi 30 37
Dick Williams 30 37
Whitey Herzog 29 35.8
Bill White 24 29.6
Bowie Kuhn 14 17.3
August Busch Jr. 13 16
Billy Martin 12 14.8
Charley O. Finley 10 12.3
Gabe Paul 10 12.3
Paul Richards 10 12.3
Phil Wrigley 9 11.1
Harry Dalton 8 9.9


There are some pretty good players on that list. Some better than some already in, IMO. Lots of Managers, Owners too. Kinda hard to believe Bowie Kuhn & Walter O'Malley aren't already in.


WharfRat - 2/28/2007 at 06:08 AM

quote:
Doesn't matter how old Joe Girardi is...Donny is the next Yankee Mgr.


Sorry, but I disagree..


SkyPuppy - 2/28/2007 at 03:06 PM

quote:
quote:
Doesn't matter how old Joe Girardi is...Donny is the next Yankee Mgr.


Sorry, but I disagree..


That's cool...
you think Joe is the leading candidate? I wouldn't mind that, i think Joe is a fine MGR though too thin skined as a MGR from reports, he may not be able to handle the scrutiny here, although he handled it as a player.
JG main goal is to be a GM (by his own admission).
From what I heard at the Thurman Munson Dinner last month that I attended, The Boss want's Donny to be MGR whern the new Stadium opens in '09.
We'll see..I love both Donny and Joe, so either way I'll be happy..but i do prefer Donny..from a personal point of view. I want to see him get HIS ring.
Joe G..will always be special....man, in game 6 '96 WS Yankee Stadium, when he hit the triple to put us up in the game I have never, ever felt the Stadium shake like that. You couldn't stand up straight without tipping ..the stadium was litterally rocking that much.
Hey...you notice how strong the AL central is this year!!!??? The Indians!!..watch out!


WharfRat - 2/28/2007 at 03:10 PM

Hell, Donny is my favorite ball player of all time. So obviously I would have NO problem with him as a MGR. But this is a guy that basically had to be talked into becoming a hitting coach. Though I guess the fact that is still around after a few years means he isnt going anywhere

And NOTHING would be sweeter then to have Donny finally get a ring
I dont think ther would be a dry eye in the house.


SkyPuppy - 2/28/2007 at 03:15 PM

quote:
Hell, Donny is my favorite ball player of all time. So obviously I would have NO problem with him as a MGR. But this is a guy that basically had to be talked into becoming a hitting coach. Though I guess the fact that is still around after a few years means he isnt going anywhere

And NOTHING would be sweeter then to have Donny finally get a ring
I dont think ther would be a dry eye in the house.


I couldn't agree more... Not a dry eye is an understatement.
LOL... Just found this...just an article, but..still remains to be seen.

http://newyork.yankees.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20070227&content_id =1818593&vkey=spt2007news&fext=.jsp&c_id=nyy


SkyPuppy - 2/28/2007 at 03:17 PM

Wharf...hang in town the first week of the season..have extra seats for game 2...April 4th!!


WharfRat - 2/28/2007 at 03:17 PM

LOL.. I read that after I responded to your post

This is all anyone needs to know what kind of man Donny is..

quote:
"You've got to be ready to help these guys out," Mattingly said. "You've got to be here for them -- not for yourself. I'm here for their success, not my success."


SkyPuppy - 2/28/2007 at 03:20 PM

I have a man crush on Donny..I admit it. He's just so great.


WharfRat - 2/28/2007 at 03:23 PM




ozzypie - 2/28/2007 at 04:15 PM


SkyPuppy - 2/28/2007 at 04:18 PM

LOL...sorry to dissapoint ya Oz. It's just a phrase I picked up on ESPN's Mike and Mike...thought it was funny.
Nice picture of you though..but I thought you were a Mets fan?!


[Edited on 2/28/2007 by SkyPuppy]


WharfRat - 2/28/2007 at 11:16 PM

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LOL...sorry to dissapoint ya Oz. It's just a phrase I picked up on ESPN's Mike and Mike...thought it was funny.
Nice picture of you though..but I thought you were a Mets fan?!


[Edited on 2/28/2007 by SkyPuppy]


LMFAO


gondicar - 3/1/2007 at 12:00 AM

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You gotta love Manny. I wonder how long this will last:


Representative says Manny at 'peace' with BoSox


Forget the trade talk of the past two offseasons, now Manny Ramirez apparently wants to retire with the Red Sox.

"Manny is at peace with his situation in Boston," Gene Mato, one of Ramirez's representatives, told The Boston Herald. "He has indicated to me that he would look forward to the opportunity to retire in a Boston uniform."

Ramirez, who is under contract through 2008, has two additional option years worth $20 million per season on his current contract. Mato wouldn't disclose to the Herald if talks had begun between the slugger and the Red Sox to pick up the option years.

However, Julian Tavarez, Ramirez's closest friend on the team, said that Ramirez is eager to have the option years exercised.

"Would you like Jennifer Lopez to give you a kiss? Of course Manny wants his option picked up," Tavarez told the Herald. "I'm telling you that, he does want to stay here, he does want his option years to be picked up. If they're going to give you 40 million, you're going to think about it? No."




LMAO!

Does he really think that Theo is going to pick up one never mind two option years at $20 mill per? Better chance that Theo will be the next Pope. Manny being Manny, gotta love it!

[Edited on 3/1/2007 by gondicar]


cupofjo - 3/1/2007 at 03:51 AM

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quote:
You gotta love Manny. I wonder how long this will last:


Representative says Manny at 'peace' with BoSox


Forget the trade talk of the past two offseasons, now Manny Ramirez apparently wants to retire with the Red Sox.

"Manny is at peace with his situation in Boston," Gene Mato, one of Ramirez's representatives, told The Boston Herald. "He has indicated to me that he would look forward to the opportunity to retire in a Boston uniform."

Ramirez, who is under contract through 2008, has two additional option years worth $20 million per season on his current contract. Mato wouldn't disclose to the Herald if talks had begun between the slugger and the Red Sox to pick up the option years.

However, Julian Tavarez, Ramirez's closest friend on the team, said that Ramirez is eager to have the option years exercised.

"Would you like Jennifer Lopez to give you a kiss? Of course Manny wants his option picked up," Tavarez told the Herald. "I'm telling you that, he does want to stay here, he does want his option years to be picked up. If they're going to give you 40 million, you're going to think about it? No."




LMAO!

Does he really think that Theo is going to pick up one never mind two option years at $20 mill per? Better chance that Theo will be the next Pope. Manny being Manny, gotta love it!

[Edited on 3/1/2007 by gondicar]


Too effin funny!


Crosscut3 - 3/1/2007 at 12:02 PM

[quote}
The Indians!!..watch out!




That's what I was saying last year. What a disappointment they turned out to be. Maybe with another year under their belt.....


ozzypie - 3/1/2007 at 02:25 PM

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Julian Tavarez, Ramirez's closest friend on the team,




This tells you all you need to know about Manny right here.

It also tells you wing-nuts attract.


gondicar - 3/1/2007 at 03:16 PM

The comeback of Jon Lester (stricken with cancer at just 22 years old) could be one of the better stories to for the Sox, if not baseball, this season....

Lester has waited long enough
Return to game action is Monday
By Dan Shaughnessy, Globe Staff | March 1, 2007

FORT MYERS, Fla. -- Lefthander Jon Lester will make his 2007 spring training debut in a B game against minor leaguers Monday at 10 a.m.

"Obviously, it's a day to look forward to," Lester said yesterday. "But I feel like I've been facing hitters in live batting practice."

Lester hasn't pitched in game conditions since August. His 2006 season was cut short when he was diagnosed with a form of anaplastic large cell lymphoma. He was treated at home over the winter and his cancer is in remission.

The 6-foot-4-inch southpaw is on a five-day program and will pitch one inning in his second outing, also against minor league hitters.

"I want to do more, but I have to listen to what they say," he said. "They are working in the best interests of my career."

"If we can ratchet up the intensity and pick up the endurance we will," said Red Sox manager Terry Francona. "But if we look ahead to 12 years from now and he's had a long career, it won't matter if it took an extra month down here this year to get him back on track."

Lester was getting the job done in the Sox rotation when cancer struck. Since then, Boston has brought Daisuke Matsuzaka into the fold and moved closer Jonathan Papelbon into the rotation to join Josh Beckett, Tim Wakefield, and Curt Schilling.

"I want to be in [the rotation]," said Lester. "But where I am is up to [Francona] and the front office. We've got a great starting rotation and if I have to go somewhere else, I'll go. I'll be here in case something happens."

Lester said his weight is back to 215 pounds, which is where it was when he was stricken last summer.


full story: http://www.boston.com/sports/baseball/redsox/articles/2007/03/01/lester_has _waited_long_enough/


SkyPuppy - 3/1/2007 at 03:24 PM

I wish Lester nothing but good health!!!..nothing..
except maybe a 6 ERA


ozzypie - 3/1/2007 at 06:04 PM

quote:
I hope he wins the Cy Young Award.


...or Schilling does...
...or Matsuzaka does...
...or Beckett does...
...or Papelbon does...


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 12:34 AM

How can they win it when Chin Ming Wang is going to?

They cant give to 2 players can they?


CanPeach - 3/2/2007 at 01:18 AM

Chuck, I thought Roy Halladay was going to win this year

It wouldn't be the first time


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 01:21 AM

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Chuck, I thought Roy Halladay was going to win this year


Who Dat?


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 01:37 AM

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quote:
How can they win it when Chin Ming Wang is going to?

They cant give to 2 players can they?



A Yankee pitcher win the Cy Young? Wharfy, step away from the bong.


We shall see.

The Beast From The East shall rule the AL this season


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 01:44 AM

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How can they win it when Chin Ming Wang is going to?

They cant give to 2 players can they?



A Yankee pitcher win the Cy Young? Wharfy, step away from the bong.


We shall see.

The Beast From The East shall rule the AL this season



Yeah, I agree. The Red Sox look good. Your guys will fight for the wild card. And not get it.


No.


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 01:52 AM

Are they even in the league anymore?


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 01:57 AM

Now about them Phillies

Croky called me the other night to tell me they are going to win the Series

I did not agree with that assessment


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 02:08 AM

Like I said.. I did not agree


crossroad_blues - 3/2/2007 at 02:45 AM

quote:
The Phillies have a good enough offense, but, just like last year, pitching will be their problem. That isn't unlike the Mets. The Mets offense isn't as good as Philly, but their pitching, and in particular their bullpen, is better. It should be a closer race than last year unless Hamels arm falls off as I expect it to do in June. He has never pitched more than 152 innings in any pro season. Hard throwers who don't have many innings under their belt and haven't built up any stamina seem to have problems. Think Prior, Wood and go back about 45 years to a young Roger Clemens.


It may be that Atlanta's the team to beat in the NL East. Their pitching is much better than the Geritol set in NY, and the Phillies. They don't have as much offense as the other two. But you can't win every game by having to score 7 or more runs.


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 02:47 AM

Atlanta??

I thought they are banished to AAA


crossroad_blues - 3/2/2007 at 02:52 AM

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The Phillies have a good enough offense, but, just like last year, pitching will be their problem. That isn't unlike the Mets. The Mets offense isn't as good as Philly, but their pitching, and in particular their bullpen, is better. It should be a closer race than last year unless Hamels arm falls off as I expect it to do in June. He has never pitched more than 152 innings in any pro season. Hard throwers who don't have many innings under their belt and haven't built up any stamina seem to have problems. Think Prior, Wood and go back about 45 years to a young Roger Clemens.


It may be that Atlanta's the team to beat in the NL East. Their pitching is much better than the Geritol set in NY, and the Phillies. They don't have as much offense as the other two. But you can't win every game by having to score 7 or more runs.



I don't see it this year, but I think that next year they will be the team to beat unless Philly and NY do something about their pitching. I think the Braves young players need a year to gel.


Cox has the best bullpen he has probably ever had. It's gonna be interesting to see if the Mets geezers make it 'till September.


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 02:55 AM

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The Phillies have a good enough offense, but, just like last year, pitching will be their problem. That isn't unlike the Mets. The Mets offense isn't as good as Philly, but their pitching, and in particular their bullpen, is better. It should be a closer race than last year unless Hamels arm falls off as I expect it to do in June. He has never pitched more than 152 innings in any pro season. Hard throwers who don't have many innings under their belt and haven't built up any stamina seem to have problems. Think Prior, Wood and go back about 45 years to a young Roger Clemens.


It may be that Atlanta's the team to beat in the NL East. Their pitching is much better than the Geritol set in NY, and the Phillies. They don't have as much offense as the other two. But you can't win every game by having to score 7 or more runs.



I don't see it this year, but I think that next year they will be the team to beat unless Philly and NY do something about their pitching. I think the Braves young players need a year to gel.


Cox has the best bullpen he has probably ever had. It's gonna be interesting to see if the Mets geezers make it 'till September.


I think Glavine will..
As for Duque...



WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 02:57 AM

Oh, THATS where Moyer went????


BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH


crossroad_blues - 3/2/2007 at 03:00 AM

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The Phillies have a good enough offense, but, just like last year, pitching will be their problem. That isn't unlike the Mets. The Mets offense isn't as good as Philly, but their pitching, and in particular their bullpen, is better. It should be a closer race than last year unless Hamels arm falls off as I expect it to do in June. He has never pitched more than 152 innings in any pro season. Hard throwers who don't have many innings under their belt and haven't built up any stamina seem to have problems. Think Prior, Wood and go back about 45 years to a young Roger Clemens.


It may be that Atlanta's the team to beat in the NL East. Their pitching is much better than the Geritol set in NY, and the Phillies. They don't have as much offense as the other two. But you can't win every game by having to score 7 or more runs.



I don't see it this year, but I think that next year they will be the team to beat unless Philly and NY do something about their pitching. I think the Braves young players need a year to gel.


Cox has the best bullpen he has probably ever had. It's gonna be interesting to see if the Mets geezers make it 'till September.


I think Glavine will..
As for Duque...





Duque? Unless they don't use him in exhibition games, he won't last thru spring training!


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 03:04 AM

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The Phillies have a good enough offense, but, just like last year, pitching will be their problem. That isn't unlike the Mets. The Mets offense isn't as good as Philly, but their pitching, and in particular their bullpen, is better. It should be a closer race than last year unless Hamels arm falls off as I expect it to do in June. He has never pitched more than 152 innings in any pro season. Hard throwers who don't have many innings under their belt and haven't built up any stamina seem to have problems. Think Prior, Wood and go back about 45 years to a young Roger Clemens.


It may be that Atlanta's the team to beat in the NL East. Their pitching is much better than the Geritol set in NY, and the Phillies. They don't have as much offense as the other two. But you can't win every game by having to score 7 or more runs.



I don't see it this year, but I think that next year they will be the team to beat unless Philly and NY do something about their pitching. I think the Braves young players need a year to gel.


Cox has the best bullpen he has probably ever had. It's gonna be interesting to see if the Mets geezers make it 'till September.


I think Glavine will..
As for Duque...





Duque? Unless they don't use him in exhibition games, he won't last thru spring training!


But... Wrap that old man in bubble wrap and set him loose in October and he will help you win a Ring.


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 03:11 AM

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Hell, it's on;y March. The only sure thing in March is that at some point Wharfy will be sitting on a barstool in Yogi's getting involved in a drunkening.


Thats where the smart money is

But the best part will be the company that I will keep


crossroad_blues - 3/2/2007 at 03:14 AM

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Hell, it's on;y March. The only sure thing in March is that at some point Wharfy will be sitting on a barstool in Yogi's getting involved in a drunkening.


Thats where the smart money is

But the best part will be the company that I will keep


That sounds like it's All Good


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 03:15 AM

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Hell, it's on;y March. The only sure thing in March is that at some point Wharfy will be sitting on a barstool in Yogi's getting involved in a drunkening.


Thats where the smart money is

But the best part will be the company that I will keep



I thought Sang was going to be there.


He better be


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 03:17 AM

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CB, are you going to the Beacon?



Good question


crossroad_blues - 3/2/2007 at 03:22 AM

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CB, are you going to the Beacon?


So far it doesn't look like I'll make it.

Hard to swing the time away from work (but 'eff that!), also the travel logistics ain't working out.....so far.

Haven't given up hope though, still working on it.

On a brighter note, I may have talked my 'better half' into attending Wharfst07k


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 03:24 AM

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CB, are you going to the Beacon?




On a brighter note, I may have talked my 'better half' into attending Wharfst07k





Too bad they dont make those "Yankee franks" anymore


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 03:28 AM

eFFFFFFFFFFF oT.. ah screw it


crossroad_blues - 3/2/2007 at 03:32 AM

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CB, are you going to the Beacon?




On a brighter note, I may have talked my 'better half' into attending Wharfst07k





Too bad they dont make those "Yankee franks" anymore


Now there's a trivia question: Name a Yankee player named Frank.


crossroad_blues - 3/2/2007 at 03:41 AM

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CB, are you going to the Beacon?




On a brighter note, I may have talked my 'better half' into attending Wharfst07k





Too bad they dont make those "Yankee franks" anymore




Now there's a trivia question: Name a Yankee player named Frank.



Frank Crosetti. On the other hand, there was the Yankee Killer, Frank Lary. God, I must be old.
Crosetti is the only one I could come up with also. And yes, you're old.

Just look at the company you keep.


SkyPuppy - 3/2/2007 at 03:46 AM

frank baker-Frank Gleich

[Edited on 3/2/2007 by SkyPuppy]


crossroad_blues - 3/2/2007 at 03:55 AM

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frank baker-Frank Gleich



"home run" baker?


WharfRat - 3/2/2007 at 11:25 AM

Yep.


cupofjo - 3/2/2007 at 12:45 PM

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CB, are you going to the Beacon?




On a brighter note, I may have talked my 'better half' into attending Wharfst07k





Too bad they dont make those "Yankee weiners" anymore


So Thursday


cupofjo - 3/2/2007 at 12:47 PM

Michael Young cashing in to the tune of 80 million for 5 years!


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2784537


ozzypie - 3/2/2007 at 01:35 PM

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How can they win it when Chin Ming Wang is going to?

They cant give to 2 players can they?



Why not? It looks like anything can happen in your dreams.


SkyPuppy - 3/2/2007 at 06:38 PM

...reading excerpts from "Pride and Preassure" due out in about 9-10 days...story about the '06 Yankees, by Doubleday.
Some juicy stuff about Jeter, and ARod..they actually had to be pulled apart in the clubhouse in '05
They were fighting,... for all of those who want to go there


RobFilmMusic - 3/2/2007 at 06:58 PM

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Michael Young cashing in to the tune of 80 million for 5 years!


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2784537


Young commenting on free agency:

"I'm sure it's great to see what's out there," Young said. "I did not want to go somewhere else and then see that Texas is in the World Series. We have a great core here and we're all committed. I want to be here and help promote a winner."


yeah........ ok.

when they're in a new ballpark and actually learn to spend some of that money on good pitching.


WharfRat - 3/3/2007 at 02:30 AM

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Not trying to bash the Yankees as I said the same thing about the Bonds-Kent BS from a couple of years ago, but does anyone really care how A-Rod and Jeter get along? Is it important? That soap opera stuff detracts from the season and causes riftss in the clubhouse. It is all caused by writers who are too lazy to look for a real story.



That's the NY media for you. Personally I dont care if they HATE each other, as long as the team wins.
Look at the 77-78 Yanks.. Not exactly a harmonious clubhouse


cupofjo - 3/3/2007 at 03:08 AM

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Speaking of Bonds, the other day I heard him referred to as "Barroid". Love it.



SkyPuppy - 3/3/2007 at 03:13 AM

This book writer (Morresey) is a Post writer, and he even takes shots at The NY Daily News..which is a cheap shot. He attacks every one from Jeter, to Mike and The Mad Dog , but it is an interesting read. We're not naive to this stuff.
Did Ruth and Gehrig get along, or Joe D and Mantle? Thurman and Reggie?..well, no one liked Reggie.
The Yankees are an easy sell.

Did Ho park get his Visa..he can't pitch in front of a paying crowd till he does.
No problem there from what I hear at Port. St Lonesome


WharfRat - 3/3/2007 at 03:18 AM

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Did Ho park get his Visa..


Not as far as I know..


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He attacks every one from Jeter



Is this guy trying NOT to seel books?


crossroad_blues - 3/3/2007 at 03:35 AM

Help me out here folks. Am I missing something?

I was reading a report on ESPN about D-Maz's 'debut', pitching 2 innings against mighty Boston College. In the first inning the first batter hits a double. The next batter grounds out. Then, according to the ESPN 'reporter', "Matsuzaka struck out the next two batters... on four pitches."

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2786171

This guy is so good, he doesn't need 3 strikes per batter!!!


WharfRat - 3/3/2007 at 03:44 AM

Boston is cheating already???


crossroad_blues - 3/3/2007 at 03:51 AM

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Boston is cheating already???


Tomorrow's Headline: "In the spirit of International cooperation & harmony Commissioner Bud Selig has declared that D-Maz only needs two strikes per batter."


WharfRat - 3/3/2007 at 04:18 AM


SkyPuppy - 3/3/2007 at 04:18 AM

He attacks every one from Jeter
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Is this guy trying NOT to seel books?

I don't know, but one thing I bet he is NOT going to do is ..Cover The Yankees this year as a beat reporter again.
As interesting as these excerpts are, I feel these are things that happened in the clubhouse, and should stay in the clubhouse.
How are reporters going to get the confidence of a player after this hits the Bookstores?
He tells of how Jeter doesn't treat the ballboy well...maybe he caught him at a bad moment, or the kid needed a boot to stay on the ball. From the staff I know, they say Jeter is a Prince.
Only a Player should be entitled to write about anything that goes on behind clubhouse doors, and even that is borderline.


WharfRat - 3/3/2007 at 04:19 AM

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Only a Player should be entitled to write about anything that goes on behind clubhouse doors, and even that is borderline.



Bouton anyone?


WharfRat - 3/3/2007 at 04:27 AM

I just think clubhouse stuff should stay behind closed doors.

Unless there is come kind of illegal activities going on (roids, gambling.. stuff like that)

But thats just my opinion..


SkyPuppy - 3/3/2007 at 04:48 AM

Anything outside the clubhouse doors..yes, i agree OTF. But the clubhouse is the Players sancuary. It's us behind our home doors with our families when we want our privacy.
They are Public figures, and role models whether they like it or not. But if a player can't have private moments of trantrums between themselves to keep their club(house) in order without everyone finding out about it due to a reporter who is trying to be a fly on the wall, rather than a face to face beat reported, which he is getting paid for I think players are going to be hesitant to open up to these guys. They are in there to get things 'On" the record, not ambush them in a book with dirt they can't dispute.

That's why we play baseball with a glove on just one hand...so we can throw back.

I think it's a cheap shot book, but I understand our Constitution, and it's ammendments, and his Rights. It's going to sell well I'm guessing, we all love this sh***

But it will stir it up in regards to Clubhouse Privacy I'm thinking. Not for nothing, but due to my business I have been fortunate enough to have observed them in their natural habitat sort a speak, and they hold that clubhouse as their fortress of solitude. I have been in the bowels of the Stadium a hundred times..had access to everywhere at time's. One door is ALWAYS off limits.. Pete's Clubhouse Door.
I think he abused his privledge. Sorry it took me so long to just say that.


crossroad_blues - 3/3/2007 at 05:01 AM

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I just think clubhouse stuff should stay behind closed doors.

Unless there is come kind of illegal activities going on (roids, gambling.. stuff like that)

But thats just my opinion..



Tell me something. How good would Mantle have been if he took care of himself? IMO, he would have been the best player ever. So what went on off the field was an issue. On the other hand, things like the Peterson-Kekich wife swap don't need to be covered like they were.


Mantle wasn't felled by lifestyle as much as injuries, IMO. Yes, he didn't take care of himself with his late night drink-a-thons, but the toll on his body, particularly the legs, was injuries & the reason he dropped off later in his career.


SkyPuppy - 3/3/2007 at 05:52 AM


[Edited on 3/3/2007 by SkyPuppy]

[Edited on 3/3/2007 by SkyPuppy]
couldn't get the video up..

[Edited on 3/3/2007 by SkyPuppy]


WharfRat - 3/3/2007 at 11:33 AM

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I just think clubhouse stuff should stay behind closed doors.

Unless there is come kind of illegal activities going on (roids, gambling.. stuff like that)

But thats just my opinion..



Tell me something. How good would Mantle have been if he took care of himself? IMO, he would have been the best player ever. So what went on off the field was an issue. On the other hand, things like the Peterson-Kekich wife swap don't need to be covered like they were.


Ok, maybe Mantle's lifestyle affected his play.
But what is goin on with PAYrod and Jeter is not.


cupofjo - 3/3/2007 at 03:54 PM

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I just think clubhouse stuff should stay behind closed doors.

Unless there is come kind of illegal activities going on (roids, gambling.. stuff like that)

But thats just my opinion..



Tell me something. How good would Mantle have been if he took care of himself? IMO, he would have been the best player ever. So what went on off the field was an issue. On the other hand, things like the Peterson-Kekich wife swap don't need to be covered like they were.


Mantle wasn't felled by lifestyle as much as injuries, IMO. Yes, he didn't take care of himself with his late night drink-a-thons, but the toll on his body, particularly the legs, was injuries & the reason he dropped off later in his career.



Mantle admitted that his lifestyle was a major contributing factor. He didn't take care of himself and as a result he took longer to recover from injuries. There are colorful stories about Mantle hitting a home run while he was hungover. But how many times did he strike out in that condition?


Mantle admiitted he should have taken better care of himself. He didnt follow through with his rehab after injuries. He also said drinking played a major roll in this which affected his performance. This is his words.

I think he could have been the best too or right there!


cupofjo - 3/3/2007 at 04:02 PM

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I just think clubhouse stuff should stay behind closed doors.

Unless there is come kind of illegal activities going on (roids, gambling.. stuff like that)

But thats just my opinion..



Tell me something. How good would Mantle have been if he took care of himself? IMO, he would have been the best player ever. So what went on off the field was an issue. On the other hand, things like the Peterson-Kekich wife swap don't need to be covered like they were.


Ok, maybe Mantle's lifestyle affected his play.
But what is goin on with PAYrod and Jeter is not.


I disagree A-Rod let it bother him which affected his performance. Remember all the errors fielding? Remember the times he choked in clutch situations? He posted good numbers but not when it really counted. He was trying to hard to to be liked by Jeter and Jeter just cut him off after those comments in 2001.
This year could be different he finally accepted and acknowledged that they are not friends like they use to be. He just needs to play ball and not worry what everone thinks about him!


crossroad_blues - 3/4/2007 at 02:19 AM

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I just think clubhouse stuff should stay behind closed doors.

Unless there is come kind of illegal activities going on (roids, gambling.. stuff like that)

But thats just my opinion..



Tell me something. How good would Mantle have been if he took care of himself? IMO, he would have been the best player ever. So what went on off the field was an issue. On the other hand, things like the Peterson-Kekich wife swap don't need to be covered like they were.


Ok, maybe Mantle's lifestyle affected his play.
But what is goin on with PAYrod and Jeter is not.


I disagree A-Rod let it bother him which affected his performance. Remember all the errors fielding? Remember the times he choked in clutch situations? He posted good numbers but not when it really counted. He was trying to hard to to be liked by Jeter and Jeter just cut him off after those comments in 2001.
This year could be different he finally accepted and acknowledged that they are not friends like they use to be. He just needs to play ball and not worry what everone thinks about him!

I don't think that had anything to do with Jeter or anything like that. Some guys just don't do well under pressure and A-Rod is one of those guys. But before anyone really jumps on him, without him the Yankees may not have won the AL East.


Can't disagree with that. The most glaring stat from '06 on A-Rod is that he grounded into 22 Double-plays. Despite having 121 RBI's (4th in the league) it shows that he was pressing with men on base. That being said, I'd rather have him on my team than competing against me.


WharfRat - 3/4/2007 at 03:37 AM

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I'd rather have him on my team than competing against me.


He's all yours.


crossroad_blues - 3/4/2007 at 03:40 AM

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I'd rather have him on my team than competing against me.


He's all yours.


thanky


WharfRat - 3/4/2007 at 03:47 AM

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I'd rather have him on my team than competing against me.


He's all yours.


You are amazing. You think a slap hitter like Melky Cabrera is a keeper and you would throw A-Rod away.


Yup.
Never liked him, never will.

Melky is a young kid with tons of potential who busts his ass every game.
I dont see that with Arod.

C'mon now... if I dislike a Yankee, you KNOW I really dislike him... LOL


WharfRat - 3/4/2007 at 03:48 AM

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I'd rather have him on my team than competing against me.


He's all yours.


thanky


I am trying to think of a Oriole who we could take in return, but I cant think of anyone


crossroad_blues - 3/4/2007 at 03:52 AM

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I'd rather have him on my team than competing against me.


He's all yours.


thanky


I am trying to think of a Oriole who we could take in return, but I cant think of anyone


Good!


WharfRat - 3/4/2007 at 03:53 AM

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I'd rather have him on my team than competing against me.


He's all yours.


thanky


I am trying to think of a Oriole who we could take in return, but I cant think of anyone


Good!


Hmmm....

Can Jim Palmer still pitch?


crossroad_blues - 3/4/2007 at 04:01 AM

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I'd rather have him on my team than competing against me.


He's all yours.


thanky


I am trying to think of a Oriole who we could take in return, but I cant think of anyone


Good!


Hmmm....

Can Jim Palmer still pitch?


Actually, he was thinking of a comeback last year. Glad he didn't though.


crossroad_blues - 3/4/2007 at 04:03 AM

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Palmer is too young for the Yankees.


LMAO

But I think he is younger than El Duque.

[Edited on 3/4/2007 by crossroad_blues]


WharfRat - 3/4/2007 at 04:04 AM

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I'd rather have him on my team than competing against me.


He's all yours.


thanky


I am trying to think of a Oriole who we could take in return, but I cant think of anyone


Good!


Hmmm....

Can Jim Palmer still pitch?


Actually, he was thinking of a comeback last year. Glad he didn't though.



Palmer is too young for the Yankees.



We have no pitchers over the age of 38.


cupofjo - 3/4/2007 at 04:07 AM

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I'd rather have him on my team than competing against me.


He's all yours.


thanky


I am trying to think of a Oriole who we could take in return, but I cant think of anyone


Good!


Hmmm....

Can Jim Palmer still pitch?


Actually, he was thinking of a comeback last year. Glad he didn't though.



Palmer is too young for the Yankees.


Gator should go out there and pitch


WharfRat - 3/4/2007 at 04:08 AM

He looks like he still could


SkyPuppy - 3/4/2007 at 02:43 PM

I'll take Boog Powell with his BBQ pit from the Orioles! That's Good Eat's!
Camden yards is Yankee Stadium South anyway..


RobFilmMusic - 3/4/2007 at 06:43 PM

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I'll take Boog Powell with his BBQ pit from the Orioles! That's Good Eat's!
Camden yards is Yankee Stadium South anyway..


Mmmmmm Boog's BBQ......

Yankee Stadium South?............... I'm sorry but Camden yards in no way resembles a giant toilet bowl I believe most of it's attributes can be drawn from the great green church up north known as Fenway Park.


SkyPuppy - 3/4/2007 at 06:51 PM

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I'll take Boog Powell with his BBQ pit from the Orioles! That's Good Eat's!
Camden yards is Yankee Stadium South anyway..


Mmmmmm Boog's BBQ......

Yankee Stadium South?............... I'm sorry but Camden yards in no way resembles a giant toilet bowl I believe most of it's attributes can be drawn from the great green church up north known as Fenway Park.


Isn't Boog's awesome?
And in reference to Yankee Stadium South. I was referring to how we invade it during Yankee games..has to be a 1/3, at least. And for the first few years we had like a 700 winning pct there.
But no, it resembles Yankee Stadium not in the least. I can't decide between the Jake, or Camden as the best new parks in the country...both incredible.


crossroad_blues - 3/5/2007 at 01:58 AM

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I'll take Boog Powell with his BBQ pit from the Orioles! That's Good Eat's!
Camden yards is Yankee Stadium South anyway..


Mmmmmm Boog's BBQ......

Yankee Stadium South?............... I'm sorry but Camden yards in no way resembles a giant toilet bowl I believe most of it's attributes can be drawn from the great green church up north known as Fenway Park.


Isn't Boog's awesome?
And in reference to Yankee Stadium South. I was referring to how we invade it during Yankee games..has to be a 1/3, at least. And for the first few years we had like a 700 winning pct there.
But no, it resembles Yankee Stadium not in the least. I can't decide between the Jake, or Camden as the best new parks in the country...both incredible.


The Jake's nice (Camden Jr.), but Camden's in a better part of town. And Camden is not like Fenway either, thank God. It ain't decrepit & falling apart (like the ownership of the O's )

I've seen some games at Camden where the Yankee contingent is probably more than the O's fans. I'd say 1/4 of the 'Home' crowd there is yuppies with cellphones in their ears that could care less who's playing. The Nat's games in DC are like that, only worse.

And yes, Boog's is the best!!!


WharfRat - 3/5/2007 at 02:08 AM

I have been to Camden once. Loved every minute if it

I hope to do it again soon


crossroad_blues - 3/5/2007 at 02:13 AM

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I have been to Camden once. Loved every minute if it

I hope to do it again soon


Let me know, big guy, let me know.


WharfRat - 3/5/2007 at 02:21 AM


cupofjo - 3/6/2007 at 11:32 PM

Rocker linked to steroids. So does this mean he really wasnt of his rocker. I think not this guy was completely nuts to begin with.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=2789825


DanB - 3/6/2007 at 11:54 PM

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2789755

Anyone else excited to see this guy pitch? Daisuke Matsuzaka could end up being the ace for the Sox this year. I'm ready for baseball. Go Braves.


cupofjo - 3/7/2007 at 12:07 PM

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http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2789755

Anyone else excited to see this guy pitch? Daisuke Matsuzaka could end up being the ace for the Sox this year. I'm ready for baseball. Go Braves.


Spring Training. But I do want to see this kid pitch. There was a big article on him in the USA Today over the weekend. The sky is the limit with this kid. His work ethic is incredible. In the high school championship he threw 257(250 something) pitches in three days. He pitched a complete game first day. Relief on second day. Then complete game but 17 innings on the third day


WharfRat - 3/7/2007 at 01:19 PM

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Anyone else excited to see this guy pitch?


I am excited to see Posada take him over the wall for a 3 run homer


ozzypie - 3/7/2007 at 01:34 PM

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Anyone else excited to see this guy pitch?


I am excited to see Posada take him over the wall for a 3 run homer


I always wondered what my signature meant...thanks Chuck!


croky - 3/7/2007 at 11:36 PM

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The Phillies have a good enough offense, but, just like last year, pitching will be their problem. That isn't unlike the Mets. The Mets offense isn't as good as Philly, but their pitching, and in particular their bullpen, is better. It should be a closer race than last year unless Hamels arm falls off as I expect it to do in June. He has never pitched more than 152 innings in any pro season. Hard throwers who don't have many innings under their belt and haven't built up any stamina seem to have problems. Think Prior, Wood and go back about 45 years to a young Roger Clemens.



The Phils bullpen is definitely going to cause some white knuckle moments
but could surprise. We need Gordon to stay healthy and I think we're going to see him
used more conservatively. He was burnt by the all-star break last year.
Looks like we have a set-up man by committee right now, unless someone steps up
in spring training. Alfonseca could be a dark horse if he returns to form. Early reports are
promising. I like their starters and can see at least 3 of them with 15 wins or more
Hamels' health will always be a question until he pitches a full season, but I gotta like
the fact that he pitched better in the 2nd half than the first half and I wouldn't consider him a power pitcher. Yeah he throws hard but he hardly relies on just his heat.
The kid has 3 "out" pitches and one of the nastiest change-ups already.
The offense is what it is, but they still need to improve with RISP and I want to see
them more aggressive on the base paths and it seems like Davey Lopes is getting
them ready for that. Anyway, should hopefully be an exciting.
Looking forward to some baseball talk.
Good luck to all.


RobFilmMusic - 3/7/2007 at 11:38 PM

some quotes from a few Marlins players abuot Matsuzaka:

"I don't know if the gyro was what I was seeing, but I was seeing something that's kind of like a split-finger changeup. It's tough to describe. I just know I didn't pick up the spin." -- 3.6.07, Jeremy Hermida, Florida Marlins

Herald: Gyroball Makes ‘Debut’

“ 'It’s a pitch that’s somewhere between a changeup and a splitter but it’s got a sideways spin,” said Jason Stokes of the Marlins. 'It’s like a split, but it’s slower, more movement.'

Stokes had one at-bat against Matsuzaka, a seven-pitch plate appearance with the next to last pitch being the supposed gyroball.

'He threw four different pitches to me - a fastball, slider, gyro and curve,' said Stokes. On the gyro, 'He threw it up and in. I could see it was obviously a ball right away. I’m thinking ‘Get out of the way.’ It kind of backs up on you.' ” -- 3.7.07, Boston Herald




yyyyyyyyyyeeeeeeeeeeAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH


crossroad_blues - 3/8/2007 at 02:34 AM

quote:
quote:
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2789755

Anyone else excited to see this guy pitch? Daisuke Matsuzaka could end up being the ace for the Sox this year. I'm ready for baseball. Go Braves.


Spring Training. But I do want to see this kid pitch. There was a big article on him in the USA Today over the weekend. The sky is the limit with this kid. His work ethic is incredible. In the high school championship he threw 257(250 something) pitches in three days. He pitched a complete game first day. Relief on second day. Then complete game but 17 innings on the third day


Not necessarily a good thing. I can't stand it when youth league coaches overwork their star pitchers to win games, particularly championship tournaments. I've seen too many pitchers develop dead arms by the time they went through the minor leagues. When I was a Little League coach I wouldn't allow my pitchers to throw curveballs for the same reason. Probably lost some games because of it. What's more important?

D-Maz may end up being a victim of his own early success. I wish him well though.


ozzypie - 3/8/2007 at 01:33 PM

quote:

Looking forward to some baseball talk.




What? No more hockey talk???


croky - 3/8/2007 at 02:04 PM

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quote:

Looking forward to some baseball talk.




What? No more hockey talk???




Sure I'll entertain you.
Flyers suck this year. Anything else?


ozzypie - 3/8/2007 at 03:36 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:

Looking forward to some baseball talk.




What? No more hockey talk???




Sure I'll entertain you.
Flyers suck this year. Anything else?



No, that was good! Thanks for the chuckle.


croky - 3/8/2007 at 03:41 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:

Looking forward to some baseball talk.




What? No more hockey talk???




Sure I'll entertain you.
Flyers suck this year. Anything else?



No, that was good! Thanks for the chuckle.


Anytime, buddy.


ozzypie - 3/8/2007 at 09:48 PM

This guy was a CLASS act...

Former Phillies coach Vukovich dies at 59

By DAN GELSTON, AP Sports Writer
March 8, 2007

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- John Vukovich, the longest-serving coach in Philadelphia Phillies history and a member of their only World Series championship team in 1980, died Thursday. He was 59.

Vukovich, who had been suffering from complications caused by an inoperable brain tumor, died in a Philadelphia-area hospital, the team said in a statement.




A first-round draft choice by Philadelphia in 1966, Vukovich, who served short stints as manager with Philadelphia and the Chicago Cubs, spent the last 19 years with the Phillies. He also won a World Series ring with the Cincinnati Reds in 1975.

During the 2001 season he was diagnosed with a benign brain tumor that was surgically removed and treated with radiation therapy.

He returned to the field that season as third base coach. After the 2004 season, he accepted a position in the front office as a special assistant to general manager Ed Wade. Vukovich also was Philadelphia's spring training coordinator until 2004 and an assistant last season under new general manager Pat Gillick.

Late last year, Vukovich experienced persistent headaches and other symptoms. He was hospitalized in mid-January, although his family and close friends kept his condition guarded at his request. It was the first time he missed spring training in nearly four decades.

"Since the day he signed with us in 1966, Vuk devoted himself to baseball and the Phillies," said team president Dave Montgomery. "Today we lost our good friend and a special member of our Phillies family."

A utility infielder, Vukovich was a career .161 hitter in 10 big league seasons. He played 49 games in 1980, when the Phillies won their only World Series title. He had two stints with Philadelphia (1970-71, 1976-81), and played for Milwaukee and Cincinnati.

He retired in 1981 and went straight into coaching with the Chicago Cubs. Vukovich was an interim manager for the Cubs in 1986 and rejoined the Phillies organization in 1988. He went 5-4 as their interim manager that season.

"I watched him grow up in baseball, give every ounce of himself to reach his goal in the major leagues and stay there," said Phillies senior adviser Dallas Green, who was the manager of the Phillies' 1980 World Series championship team. "I respected him for his baseball knowledge, dedication to the game and the Phillies, his loyalty to his managers and organizations, his honesty and his work ethic. He was one of the best baseball men I've ever been around."

Vukovich won the inaugural Dallas Green Special Achievement award in 2004 for setting a Phillies record by coaching 17 seasons.

The team will wear a black patch bearing Vukovich's nickname, "Vuk," for the upcoming season.





croky - 3/8/2007 at 09:53 PM

quote:
This guy was a CLASS act...

Former Phillies coach Vukovich dies at 59

By DAN GELSTON, AP Sports Writer
March 8, 2007

PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- John Vukovich, the longest-serving coach in Philadelphia Phillies history and a member of their only World Series championship team in 1980, died Thursday. He was 59.

Vukovich, who had been suffering from complications caused by an inoperable brain tumor, died in a Philadelphia-area hospital, the team said in a statement.




A first-round draft choice by Philadelphia in 1966, Vukovich, who served short stints as manager with Philadelphia and the Chicago Cubs, spent the last 19 years with the Phillies. He also won a World Series ring with the Cincinnati Reds in 1975.

During the 2001 season he was diagnosed with a benign brain tumor that was surgically removed and treated with radiation therapy.

He returned to the field that season as third base coach. After the 2004 season, he accepted a position in the front office as a special assistant to general manager Ed Wade. Vukovich also was Philadelphia's spring training coordinator until 2004 and an assistant last season under new general manager Pat Gillick.

Late last year, Vukovich experienced persistent headaches and other symptoms. He was hospitalized in mid-January, although his family and close friends kept his condition guarded at his request. It was the first time he missed spring training in nearly four decades.

"Since the day he signed with us in 1966, Vuk devoted himself to baseball and the Phillies," said team president Dave Montgomery. "Today we lost our good friend and a special member of our Phillies family."

A utility infielder, Vukovich was a career .161 hitter in 10 big league seasons. He played 49 games in 1980, when the Phillies won their only World Series title. He had two stints with Philadelphia (1970-71, 1976-81), and played for Milwaukee and Cincinnati.

He retired in 1981 and went straight into coaching with the Chicago Cubs. Vukovich was an interim manager for the Cubs in 1986 and rejoined the Phillies organization in 1988. He went 5-4 as their interim manager that season.

"I watched him grow up in baseball, give every ounce of himself to reach his goal in the major leagues and stay there," said Phillies senior adviser Dallas Green, who was the manager of the Phillies' 1980 World Series championship team. "I respected him for his baseball knowledge, dedication to the game and the Phillies, his loyalty to his managers and organizations, his honesty and his work ethic. He was one of the best baseball men I've ever been around."

Vukovich won the inaugural Dallas Green Special Achievement award in 2004 for setting a Phillies record by coaching 17 seasons.

The team will wear a black patch bearing Vukovich's nickname, "Vuk," for the upcoming season.








He was definitely a baseball guy. Never quite had the skills to make it as an
everyday player, but he was one of the old school guys who got everybody esle
fired up even if he wasn't on the field. His fiery attitude pissed off a few people
but he called it like he saw it.


ozzypie - 3/8/2007 at 09:59 PM

From the Phillies website...

Vukovich passes away at 59
Coach, who was a part of Phillies for 31 years, dies from cancer
By Ken Mandel / MLB.com


CLEARWATER, Fla. -- There are many funny, sad and heartwarming stories about John Vukovich, as there should be for a man who touched so many lives.
A person who spends 41 years in baseball, on back fields, dugouts, buses, airplanes, restaurants and hotel rooms, is bound to earn tremendous respect and pick up a lifelong friends along the way.

That's what happened with "Vuk," who lost a second battle with cancer and passed away on Thursday at age 59.

"He was a Californian who married a Philly girl and never left," said broadcaster Chris Wheeler, who joined the organization in 1971 and considered Vukovich among his closest friends. "He loved Philadelphia because he kept saying these people are tough. He loved the area for that reason."

Vukovich, a former Phillies player and coach whose ties with the club dated to 1970, when he debuted as a Major Leaguer, was tough, too.

Diagnosed with a brain tumor in May 2001, he appeared to have recovered, proudly returning to the coaching box within two months. After more than five years of relatively good health, doctors discovered that the illness had returned after Vukovich experienced headaches and impaired vision.

In true style, Vukovich kept the news private from even his closest friends, saying everything was going to be fine. Word filtered out when he missed the Winter Meetings in Orlando in December. The family asked for and was granted privacy.

Despite recent optimism, news circulated on Wednesday within the organization that his condition had worsened, and none could hide their extreme sense of loss.

"He was a second father to me," said Greg Casterioto, 30, the Phillies' manager of public relations, likely echoing the sentiments of his generation.

"He was like a brother to me," Wheeler said, echoing the sentiments of his generation.

A passionate man who always listed family first and baseball second (a really close second), Vukovich honed the fielding of a generation of infielders and wasn't afraid to tell players how they should wear the uniform.

The term often heard was "old school."

A fixture in the organization, Vukovich spent 31 of his 41 years in the sport wearing red pinstripes. The most important were the 17 straight -- from 1988-2004 -- that he spent as a Phillies coach, working with six different managers and showing extreme loyalty to each. Vukovich will be remembered this season with a black patch sewn onto Phillies uniforms.

In 2004, he passed former bullpen coach Mike Ryan to become the longest tenured coach in team history. A career .161 hitter over parts of 10 seasons in the Major Leagues, Vukovich often joked that his "second career was much better than the first."

Though the statistics won't lie about the first, Vukovich was the embodiment of a player who survived on sterling defense, personality and heart. He knew so much about the game and how it should be played.

"It would be the greatest second career for a .161 hitter," Wheeler said. "He was a great baseball man. He was a throwback. He felt there was a way to play and wear the uniform and didn't bend."

A third baseman selected by Philadelphia in the January 1966 draft out of American River Junior College in Sacramento, Calif., Vukovich received a $10,000 bonus when he signed hours before the deadline that would've thrown him back into the pool of eligible draftees. That summer, he tooled around his sleepy hometown in a sleek new Dodge Coronet 500, his one indulgence.

"I paid $3,400 cash for it," he later said. "My dad got a new truck."

In the Minors, Vukovich won a league championship at Triple-A Eugene in 1972. He also led his league in fielding by a third baseman four times. With Eugene in 1970, he reached professional highs with 22 homers and 96 RBIs in 138 games.

He made his debut in 1970 and played parts of seven seasons with the Phillies, including the 1980 World Series championship team. He was also a member of the 1975 Reds, who won the World Series that season, and often recalled a story of how he was once pinch-hit for by manager Sparky Anderson in the first inning.

"He loved that story," Casterioto said.

On June 23, 1971, Vukovich played third base and caught the final out of Rick Wise's no-hitter.

He made a seamless transition to coaching after retiring as a player in 1981, beginning with the Cubs in 1982 and serving as a first base, third base and bench coach until leaving after the 1987 season.

While his departure created an opportunity in Philadelphia, the story of why he left is a testament to his loyalty. In fall of 1987, then-Cubs GM Dallas Green, whom Vuk had followed to Chicago, was preparing to name himself manager/GM and wanted Vukovich as his bench coach, with the intention of making Vuk the manager the following season.

Except that a funny thing happened.

"I flew into Chicago at 9 that morning and Dallas told me I was going to manage," Vukovich recalled. "I went to Tribune Tower and met with [CEO] John Madigan. Then we went back to Wrigley Field for a 5 o'clock press conference."

Less than five minutes later, Vukovich was unemployed.

"Dallas called me in and said, 'I resigned,'" Vukovich said. "He wanted me to stay and I said, 'Like hell I will.' I listened to the press conference [of Green's resignation] on the radio going to the airport."

Vukovich flew back to his home in Voorhees, N.J., and eventually landed again in Philadelphia. His coaching role with the Phillies included first base, third base and bench coach, plus coordinating Spring Training and working with the team's infielders. Vukovich got to manage the final nine games of the 1988 season, when Lee Elia was dismissed, and he went 5-4. In 1994, he was a coach for the National League All-Star team.

In 2000, he served as a coach for the MLB All-Star team that traveled to Japan, and in 2004, he was named the winner of the inaugural Dallas Green Special Achievement Award, presented by the Philadelphia chapter of The Baseball Writers Association of America for his coaching tenure.

Vukovich left the field after the 2004 season and became a special assistant to the general manager, working under Ed Wade and Pat Gillick. He and Larry Bowa are the only two men to wear a Phillies uniform at Connie Mack Stadium, Veterans Stadium and Citizens Bank Park.

He is survived by his wife, the former Bonnie Loughran, whom he met at Veterans Stadium; two children, Nicole Stolarick and Vince, and triplet granddaughters, Anna, Lena and Stella Stolarick. Vukovich is also survived by two brothers, Rich and Bill, of California.




gondicar - 3/11/2007 at 02:37 AM

Just back from Florida...got to a Sox game in Ft. Meyers, front row behind home plate for Beckett's start last Monday...there were 6 or 7 scouts with radar guns and one of them told me he was gassing it at 95 mph, cool stuff.

Hope y'all are ready for the season get started...3 weeks to go!


gondicar - 3/11/2007 at 01:42 PM

That he did. Could be interesting when the Tigers come to Fenway in May.

The Sox new 2nd baseman needs to figure out how to go more than 1 inning in a row without making an error.


cupofjo - 3/12/2007 at 12:38 AM

Lets add to the Red Sox woes

Dice-K allows two homers, struggles with control!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2794779



SkyPuppy - 3/12/2007 at 12:42 AM

quote:
Lets add to the Red Sox woes

Dice-K allows two homers, struggles with control!

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2794779




Yes..let's


gondicar - 3/13/2007 at 08:41 PM

I know it was a meaningless spring game, but I can't believe no one mentioned the Sox beat the Yanks in their one and only grapefruit league matchup of 2007.

Actually, the worst (Sox) or best (Yanks) thing to come out of it was Pavano actually looked half decent and made it through his second start of the spring without injury.


SkyPuppy - 3/13/2007 at 09:17 PM

Pavano looked good against the bigs guys, your right. A lot of the regulars stayed in tampa, and they basically came back against AAA guys.
I still would have rather won though..but it's all good.
This is going to be interesting. The Wild Card came out of the central this yr, and i didn't think it would.
This is the first year I'm picking the WC to come from the central.


cupofjo - 3/14/2007 at 12:15 AM

quote:
We have another activity to add to the list of things baseball players shouldn't do because of the threat of injury. Riding the bus. From ESPN.com:


Mets infielder Jose Valentin was a late scratch Tuesday with a sore neck.

"I fell asleep on the bus ride over and must have pinched something," said Valentin, who was being treated after the game.

"It's not serious, but my neck and left shoulder feel heavy. Hopefully it's just a one-day thing."





That is not good!


piacere - 3/14/2007 at 01:41 PM

boys of summer, I implore you, put an end to the ways of the infidel, join in the road to glory, march with the warriors to the promised land and recieve the atonement and annointing that will grace the Boston Red Sox as they fulfill destiny.



piacere - 3/14/2007 at 01:43 PM

(I'm figurin' SkyPup, Otie and especially ozzy...)


SkyPuppy - 3/14/2007 at 02:52 PM

quote:
boys of summer, I implore you, put an end to the ways of the infidel, join in the road to glory, march with the warriors to the promised land and recieve the atonement and annointing that will grace the Boston Red Sox as they fulfill destiny.



Ahhh..that's good Boston Ale..Huh?


ozzypie - 3/14/2007 at 03:22 PM

quote:
(I'm figurin' SkyPup, Otie and especially ozzy...)




Dude, you know I stand with you and will cheer just as loud as you do during the baseball season.


Then come fall I will be back to mocking, ridiculing and participating in all types of derisive behavior towards your deteriorating franchise as King Eric ascends the mount of glory to pluck the flag of victory from the decaying hands of Bastard Bill and his distracted pretty boy quarterback and the rest of the lost minions in frozen wasteland of New England.


piacere - 3/14/2007 at 03:42 PM

ahhh yes, the trifecta.

and before noon, no less.

ozzy man, too funny.

Hey, you guys know I've been saying Mangini is going to take them a long way. The dude is tough and smart.

As for the Red Sox...I'll be doin' lotsa fishin' this year.


RobFilmMusic - 3/14/2007 at 04:55 PM

quote:
boys of summer, I implore you, put an end to the ways of the infidel, join in the road to glory, march with the warriors to the promised land and recieve the atonement and annointing that will grace the Boston Red Sox as they fulfill destiny.







THIS.............. IS.............. SPARTA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


gondicar - 3/14/2007 at 05:23 PM

quote:

Then come fall I will be back to mocking, ridiculing and participating in all types of derisive behavior towards your deteriorating franchise as King Eric ascends the mount of glory to pluck the flag of victory from the decaying hands of Bastard Bill and his distracted pretty boy quarterback and the rest of the lost minions in frozen wasteland of New England.



Now that's just crazy talk...and in the wrong thread to boot!


croky - 3/14/2007 at 05:23 PM

quote:
ahhh yes, the trifecta.

and before noon, no less.

ozzy man, too funny.

Hey, you guys know I've been saying Mangini is going to take them a long way. The dude is tough and smart.

As for the Red Sox...I'll be doin' lotsa fishin' this year.


As long as you're not sleepin with em


ozzypie - 3/14/2007 at 05:32 PM

quote:
quote:
ahhh yes, the trifecta.

and before noon, no less.

ozzy man, too funny.

Hey, you guys know I've been saying Mangini is going to take them a long way. The dude is tough and smart.

As for the Red Sox...I'll be doin' lotsa fishin' this year.


As long as you're not sleepin with em



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cupofjo - 3/15/2007 at 01:04 AM


DanB - 3/15/2007 at 01:38 AM

Pete finaaly comes clean. He was my favorite player growing up.

Pete Rose revealed Wednesday that he bet on the Reds "every night" while he was manager of the team and that the Dowd Report was correct when it said he did so.

ESPN Radio
Pete Rose
Rose
Appearing on the Dan Patrick Show on ESPN Radio, Pete Rose said he bet on the Reds to win every night while he was their manager because he believed in his team. Listen

Rose spoke Wednesday with Dan Patrick and Keith Olbermann on ESPN Radio to discuss the new Pete Rose exhibit that will be on display at the Great American Ballpark as part of the Reds Hall of Fame. The exhibit will be on display for 11 months.

"I bet on my team every night. I didn't bet on my team four nights a week. I was wrong," Rose said.

Rose said that he believed in his team so much that he bet on them to win every night.

"I bet on my team to win every night because I love my team, I believe in my team," Rose said. "I did everything in my power every night to win that game."

Rose accepted a lifetime ban for gambling in 1989, but denied for nearly 15 years that he bet on baseball. He finally acknowledged in his latest autobiography, published in January 2004, that he made baseball wagers while he managed the Cincinnati Reds.

Rose said he doesn't worry about getting into the Hall of Fame anymore, but if he is reinstated, he hopes to manage again in the majors.


"I quit worrying about it," Rose said about the Hall. The former Reds great said that he thought he was going to be reinstated when he met with commissioner Bud Selig before his book came out. Rose said he met with Selig about a year before the book came out and told him everything that was in the book.

"I really thought I was going to be reinstated. Something changed [Selig's] mind," Rose said.

Rose said he believes it should be up to each individual owner whether he should manage in the majors again.

"[It's] all about dollars, Dan and Keith. If I was ever reinstated. If an owner don't want to win and draw people, don't call my number," Rose said.

Major League Baseball's Hit King also said he thinks that Mark McGwire is getting a raw deal from the writers voting for the Hall of Fame. The reason he said he supported McGwire is because nothing has been proven and they're all "allegations."

"Don't penalize McGwire because you think other guys are taking steroids," Rose said.

McGwire wasn't voted into the Hall of Fame in his first appearance on the ballot in January because of allegations he used performance-enhancing drugs in his career.

Rose admits he made a mistake in betting on baseball.

"I made a big mistake. It's my fault, It's nobody's else's fault," Rose said. However, he said he should be reinstated because "I'm the best ambassador baseball has."

Because of the ban, Rose is not eligible for induction into the Reds' or Baseball's Hall of Fame. He also is not allowed to be involved in most on-field activities, which has prevented the Reds from retiring his uniform No. 14.

Major League Baseball did include him in two events -- 1999's All-Century Team and 2002's 30 Memorable Moments -- that were sponsored by a credit card company.

The new exhibit includes more than 300 items from the career of Rose, who finished playing in 1986 with a record 4,256 hits. His total is reflected at the Reds' Hall in a three-story high wall of baseballs -- one for each hit.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.













RobFilmMusic - 3/15/2007 at 04:44 AM

Thanks Pete


Now shut the **** up.


cupofjo - 3/15/2007 at 11:44 AM

I always thought he should be reinstated but after reading that he can wait a little longer!


gondicar - 3/15/2007 at 12:12 PM

He broke the game's cardinal rule and the lied about it over and over again for 15 years. He should never, ever be allowed to be a part of it again.


SkyPuppy - 3/15/2007 at 12:34 PM

Pete Rose shouldn't even be allowed to buy a ticket for Ticket to a Baseball game again.
There are whispers that he not only bet his team to win, but also to lose!
I hope THAT comes out if it's really true, so he can be vilified to the point where he goes away, and we never hear from him again.


ozzypie - 3/15/2007 at 01:15 PM

quote:
However, he said he should be reinstated because "I'm the best ambassador baseball has."






What do you live in...a freakin' fairyland???




crossroad_blues - 3/16/2007 at 02:53 AM

"I'm the best ambassador baseball has."

This is just sad.

Rose deserves nothing more than pity. And that's all the sadder. A person that's pitied is beneath us. A once great player that thought he could do whatever he wanted because of his feats on the field (much like a certain a$$hole in pursuit of the lifetime Home Run record). Someone that believes that his on-the-field exploits should be enough to enshrine him. A person that has no remorse, no contrition.

Thank goodness that the Baseball HOF saw fit to establish guidelines of 'character'.


gondicar - 3/16/2007 at 02:03 PM

Many people have said that Boston is one of the best baseball cities in America...well now it's been proven that Boston is #1. All 62,336 major league baseball games played over the 30-year span from 1974 through 2003 were analyzed by Northeastern University economists Kamen Madjarov and John Kwoka in a study of fan loyalty. The Red Sox proved to have the most loyal fans; the Yankees ranked 13th.

http://www.neu.edu/numag/fall06/feature2.shtml

So there you have it.


SkyPuppy - 3/16/2007 at 02:38 PM

quote:
Many people have said that Boston is one of the best baseball cities in America...well now it's been proven that Boston is #1. All 62,336 major league baseball games played over the 30-year span from 1974 through 2003 were analyzed by Northeastern University economists Kamen Madjarov and John Kwoka in a study of fan loyalty. The Red Sox proved to have the most loyal fans; the Yankees ranked 13th.

http://www.neu.edu/numag/fall06/feature2.shtml

So there you have it.


Northeastern University Alumni Magazine is published four times a year, in September, December, March, and June, by Northeastern?Äôs Division of Marketing and Communications, 360 Huntington Avenue, 598CP, Boston, MA 02115. Opinions expressed are those of the authors or their subjects and are not necessarily shared by the editors or the university.
What a surprise!! Two Guys from Boston coming up with these result's.

While it is a bias study, I really can't disagree. Sox fan's have alway's been there for their team.
Seeing a game at Fenway is one of the joys of the game. How could you not aprreciate it

The Cub's fan's are right up there too in attendence, but not loyalty..they are there to get drunk, and could care less about the game (..this I heard Buster Onley, and Peter Gammon's say...Cub fans, don't shoot the messenger).
In NYC, we could never stand for the losing like that constantly, and losing the way you do!!
I don't know how you do it Boston?
If I had to live through years like '04 on a constant basis...like you, I don't know how I could handle that.
I guess that come's with practice.
Yeah, we were the first team to lose 4 straight after winning the first 3, but you got to be in it, to lose it!
I give you guy's credit..you accept, and handle losing better than any fan in the World...and you keep coming back for more..Bravo.


gondicar - 3/16/2007 at 02:47 PM

Just because they are at NU and self-professed Sox fans, that doesn't mean their study was biased, I don't know how you could even suggest such a thing!


piacere - 3/16/2007 at 03:55 PM

I'm a die hard BoSox fan myself...until we're mathematically eliminated...then I go fishin' and wait for football.


gondicar - 3/19/2007 at 09:17 PM

Opening Day is now officially less than 2 weeks away!


cupofjo - 3/19/2007 at 11:16 PM


RobFilmMusic - 3/20/2007 at 04:39 AM

ahhhh it's going to be good having baseball back soon. I miss grilling and having a game on.


Crosscut3 - 3/20/2007 at 10:49 AM

quote:
ahhhh it's going to be good having baseball back soon. I miss grilling and having a game on.


I miss having baseball on myself. There is a game just about every night, no more reruns!!


ozzypie - 3/20/2007 at 12:13 PM

There used to be ALOT of games on my TV the past few years when I had the baseball package. Thanks to Dick Selig who has sold his soul to direct TV, that won't be the case anymore.


cupofjo - 3/21/2007 at 11:39 AM

quote:
ahhhh it's going to be good having baseball back soon. I miss grilling and having a game on.



Have a spare $20,000? Manny has his grill up for sale on Ebay.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2806415


cupofjo - 3/21/2007 at 11:47 AM

quote:
There used to be ALOT of games on my TV the past few years when I had the baseball package. Thanks to Dick Selig who has sold his soul to direct TV, that won't be the case anymore.


They did offer to cable too! But there is a catch. They have to be willing to pay as much as Directv did. So there may be hope for some of you.


gondicar - 3/21/2007 at 01:20 PM

quote:
quote:
ahhhh it's going to be good having baseball back soon. I miss grilling and having a game on.



Have a spare $20,000? Manny has his grill up for sale on Ebay.


http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2806415




Too funny. Apparantly his teammates are KILLING him for this one....

Only moments before Ramírez walked into the Red Sox clubhouse, David Ortiz's booming laugh had filtered through the air, the big man nearly keeling over with merriment. The television, turned all the way up, had shown a segment of ESPN's "Pardon the Interruption" devoted to a curious story that had been making the rounds all day. A grill had turned up on eBay with a bizarre message and a series of seven photographs, among which were two of Ramírez standing next to the silver piece of heavy-duty cooking equipment.

"Hi, I'm Manny Ramirez," reads the ad, listed under the seller "mannyramirez1524," a member since March 18. "I bought this AMAZING grill for about $4,000 and I used it once . . . But I never have the time to use it because I am always on the road. I would love to sell it and you will get an autographed ball signed by me =) Enjoy it, Manny Ramirez."

So in the interests of journalistic integrity (and with an extreme curiosity), a reporter approached Ramírez. (OK, it was this reporter.)

Is the grill yours? Is the ad true?

He said it wasn't. He agreed about a week ago to help out a neighbor in Weston, Fla., by advertising the grill as his own to drive up the price.

Well, you could say that tactic worked, but neither Manny nor his neighbor is likely to collect on the bids that were being posted last night. With someone clearly having fun with Ramirez's gambit -- would his teammates be above suspicion? -- the bidding was up to, ahem, $99,999,999 around midnight last night.

And the only reason it didn't go higher was that the eBay bid window couldn't handle more digits.


cupofjo - 3/22/2007 at 01:08 AM

If this is the case shame on MLB! What a bunch of sh!t


WharfRat - 3/22/2007 at 01:56 AM

Agreed.

Selig is a effin idiot.. When the hell do we get a REAL Commish that will not cater to owners OR the players


WharfRat - 3/22/2007 at 02:02 AM

quote:
quote:
Agreed.

Selig is a effin idiot.. When the hell do we get a REAL Commish that will not cater to owners OR the players


The owners choose the commissioner. They can fire him at their leisure. I wouldn't expect anything different than what is happening.


I know.. But its just bull****.
I get to see all of my teams games because I live near them, but this sucks for everyone else..


metsman5 - 3/22/2007 at 10:00 AM

quote:
Amen, Ozzy. It was about the only way I could see my team, the Mets. Now I will have to settle for the occassional ESPN game. The dollar is more important than the fan.


Just a thought, but I am as big (in more ways than one ) a Mets fan as anyone. I don't watch them on TV, but I do listen to as many games as I can. I purchase the "Gameday Audio" package from MLB.com. About the best bargain that I get every year @ $14.95. It may not be for everyone, but not watching every play is no big deal to me. If there is something I really want to see, I can catch the highlights on most any sports website or MLB.com.


cupofjo - 3/22/2007 at 08:42 PM

OOPS!


cupofjo - 3/22/2007 at 08:58 PM

quote:
With Timlin starting the year on the DL, reports say Papelbon is going back to the bullpen.


Red Sox are better team if they do that.

AL East is going to be real tough!

If Blue Jays get anything from their starters the wild card is not coming from the east again!

Yankees, Red Sox, and Blue Jays are going to beat each other out of it. And Tampa could overtake Baltimore.


cupofjo - 3/24/2007 at 11:54 PM

Bobby Murcer gets good news his brain tumor is clear

What a class guy!


NEW YORK -- Bobby Murcer's brain tumor is "clear," and the New York Yankees broadcaster is eager to begin experimental cancer treatments, the New York Daily News reported Saturday.

Murcer, who had surgery Dec. 28 to remove a malignant brain tumor, has been a Yankees broadcaster since he retired from playing in 1983. He was diagnosed with a brain tumor on Christmas Eve after having headaches.

He recently underwent chemotherapy and radiation treatments to fight the tumor.

"I'm happy to report that the tests have shown that I'm entirely clear in regard to the tumor," Murcer told the newspaper.

The five-time All-Star, who played in the major leagues from 1965-83, is determined to return to the Yankees' YES Network broadcast booth this season. He'll undergo his first treatment Monday in Houston.

"Obviously, this is encouraging news for me, although I know that we're still dealing with an incurable cancer here and just trying to contain it," Murcer said.



WharfRat - 3/25/2007 at 02:23 AM

Wang starting season on DL

Yikes.


WharfRat - 3/25/2007 at 03:16 AM

quote:
quote:
Wang starting season on DL

Yikes.


Just part of what it takes to be a Yankee starting pitcher.


Pot/ Kettle?

Helooooooooooooo Pedro


WharfRat - 3/25/2007 at 10:44 AM

WHO?


gondicar - 3/25/2007 at 01:45 PM

I am so broken up over this...

Yanks put Wang on disabled list with hamstring pull http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2007/news/story?id=2810733



cupofjo - 3/25/2007 at 08:00 PM

quote:
From the ESPN link in Gondcar's post



Andy Pettitte has been bothered by back spasms and the Yankees don't want to rearrange Mike Mussina's schedule late in spring training, so the oft-injured Pavano appears to be the most likely candidate to pitch April 2 against the Tampa Bay Devil Rays at Yankee Stadium.



All I can say is that if Carl Pavano is your healthiest pitcher, you may have a few problems.






cupofjo - 3/27/2007 at 11:35 AM

Geesh! Yankees have 3 pitchers hurt Pettite (back), Wang(hamstring), Karstens(elbow).


gondicar - 3/27/2007 at 12:17 PM

quote:
Geesh! Yankees have 3 pitchers hurt Pettite (back), Wang(hamstring), Karstens(elbow).


Yeah, that just sucks.















NOT!


gondicar - 3/27/2007 at 12:56 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Geesh! Yankees have 3 pitchers hurt Pettite (back), Wang(hamstring), Karstens(elbow).


Yeah, that just sucks.















NOT!



You shouldn't get too excited. Schilling is almost as old as, well, me. Papelbon hasn't been replaced as a starter, Lester's stamina is questionable. Wakefiled is almost as old as, well, Schilling, plus he was injured last year. I'd say it's a toss up right now as to which staff is in better shape.


Now you're really reaching.


croky - 3/27/2007 at 01:29 PM

quote:
Were you comfortable with Piniero as your closer? Is he now a starter? Either way, that ain't good. Hey I hope all these guys have a great year, but you know how fragile pitchers are.



Losing Sanches for a bit, can't be good either.

And I'm not looking forward to the Phillies' patchwork
bullpen at all. I like the fact that Gillick hasn't made a move just
to make a move. But I don't think he'll wait long if the Phils are struggling
in April to make one.


gondicar - 3/27/2007 at 01:51 PM

quote:
Were you comfortable with Piniero as your closer? Is he now a starter? Either way, that ain't good. Hey I hope all these guys have a great year, but you know how fragile pitchers are.


No I wasn't, and apparantly neither was the manager/GM. Most Sox fans were hoping for Papelbon to end up back in the closer role from the beginning, and I think the bullpen got MUCH better when they made that move. Bottom line is the Sox are as deep as anyone with pitching right now. A couple of younger guys that have had real nice springs will probably start the season in the minors, but would have made a lot of major league clubs. I am comfortable with Tavares as #5 starter, he proved to be a capable starter last year and your #5 really just needs to be capable.

Of course injuries could change all that. The Sox had a great starting staff on paper last spring but injuries struck and by May/June we had buys like David Pauley making starts. That's why you can never have enough good arms. But as things now stand, today, I don't know how anyone could say it is a toss up between the Sox and Yanks as to which staff is in better shape. That, my friend, would be called reaching.


RobFilmMusic - 3/27/2007 at 04:21 PM

quote:
quote:
Were you comfortable with Piniero as your closer? Is he now a starter? Either way, that ain't good. Hey I hope all these guys have a great year, but you know how fragile pitchers are.


No I wasn't, and apparantly neither was the manager/GM. Most Sox fans were hoping for Papelbon to end up back in the closer role from the beginning, and I think the bullpen got MUCH better when they made that move. Bottom line is the Sox are as deep as anyone with pitching right now. A couple of younger guys that have had real nice springs will probably start the season in the minors, but would have made a lot of major league clubs. I am comfortable with Tavares as #5 starter, he proved to be a capable starter last year and your #5 really just needs to be capable.

Of course injuries could change all that. The Sox had a great starting staff on paper last spring but injuries struck and by May/June we had buys like David Pauley making starts. That's why you can never have enough good arms. But as things now stand, today, I don't know how anyone could say it is a toss up between the Sox and Yanks as to which staff is in better shape. That, my friend, would be called reaching.


that injury bug that bit the team last year might actually be a blessing in disguise for this year. Remember those guys like Devern Hansack (last game of the season no hitter thru 5) and Kason Gabbard who started a lot last year? They're both apparently having great springs and I'm sure the major league experience they gained last year has a lot to do with it.

At least the Sox have a lot of options in terms of starters (including Papelbon) where as the Yankees just seem to be holding their breath for Phillip Hughes to climb the ladder quickly.


SkyPuppy - 3/27/2007 at 11:10 PM

Pavano say's he's ready for Opening Day!!
...doesn't that make us Yankee's Fan's Giddy...
Perfect Scenerio:
Pavano pitches into the 7th Inning, up 3-1, maybe 4-2, get's the first out of the 7th, Joe come's and take's him out so he can walk off alone to the cheer's of the crowd.
Sandman blasting over the sound system for the top of the 9th.
...sweet music to my ears!


cupofjo - 3/28/2007 at 01:56 AM

quote:
Pavano say's he's ready for Opening Day!!
...doesn't that make us Yankee's Fan's Giddy...
Perfect Scenerio:
Pavano pitches into the 7th Inning, up 3-1, maybe 4-2, get's the first out of the 7th, Joe come's and take's him out so he can walk off alone to the cheer's of the crowd.
Sandman blasting over the sound system for the top of the 9th.
...sweet music to my ears!



Lets wait til its over before we jump for joy


SkyPuppy - 3/28/2007 at 02:31 AM

quote:
quote:
Pavano say's he's ready for Opening Day!!
...doesn't that make us Yankee's Fan's Giddy...
Perfect Scenerio:
Pavano pitches into the 7th Inning, up 3-1, maybe 4-2, get's the first out of the 7th, Joe come's and take's him out so he can walk off alone to the cheer's of the crowd.
Sandman blasting over the sound system for the top of the 9th.
...sweet music to my ears!



Lets wait til its over before we jump for joy
Sorry, got caught up in A Field of Dreams Moment...I'm better now


gondicar - 3/28/2007 at 02:45 AM

The Red Sox have set their 25-man roster for Opening Day in Kansas City. The Sox are going with 12 pitchers and 13 position players.

PITCHERS (12): Daisuke Matsuzaka, Curt Schilling, Tim Wakefield, Jonathan Papelbon, Julian Tavarez, Brendan Donnelly, Josh Beckett, Hideki Okajima, Joel Pineiro, J.C. Romero, Kyle Snyder, and Javier Lopez.

CATCHERS (2): Jason Varitek and Doug Mirabelli.

INFIELDERS (6): David Ortiz, Dustin Pedroia, Julio Lugo, Mike Lowell, Alex Cora, and Kevin Youkilis.

OUTFIELDERS (5): Manny Ramirez, Coco Crisp, J.D. Drew, Eric Hinske, and Wily Mo Pena.

Craig Hansen and Manny Delcarman were optioned to Pawtucket today. Catcher Kevin Cash was also sent to Pawtucket and catcher Alberto Castillo was traded to the Orioles for outfielder Cory Keylor. Mike Timlin, Jon Lester, and Matt Clement will start the season on the disabled list.


ThePeteMan - 3/28/2007 at 03:25 AM

quote:
Pavano say's he's ready for Opening Day!!
...doesn't that make us Yankee's Fan's Giddy...
Perfect Scenerio:
Pavano pitches into the 7th Inning, up 3-1, maybe 4-2, get's the first out of the 7th, Joe come's and take's him out so he can walk off alone to the cheer's of the crowd.
Sandman blasting over the sound system for the top of the 9th.
...sweet music to my ears!



The phrase "AND THEN YOU WOKE UP" just popped into my head, and I can't IMAGINE why!


SkyPuppy - 3/28/2007 at 01:04 PM

quote:
quote:
Pavano say's he's ready for Opening Day!!
...doesn't that make us Yankee's Fan's Giddy...
Perfect Scenerio:
Pavano pitches into the 7th Inning, up 3-1, maybe 4-2, get's the first out of the 7th, Joe come's and take's him out so he can walk off alone to the cheer's of the crowd.
Sandman blasting over the sound system for the top of the 9th.
...sweet music to my ears!



The phrase "AND THEN YOU WOKE UP" just popped into my head, and I can't IMAGINE why!

A man can dream...can't he?


croky - 3/28/2007 at 04:41 PM

CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Former Major League baseball pitcher Ugueth Urbina was sentenced to 14 years in prison for the attempted murder of five workers on his family's ranch, the Attorney General's Office announced Wednesday.


One season with the Phils drove him to this.


gondicar - 3/28/2007 at 07:33 PM

Kerry presses baseball on DirecTV deal
By Frederic J. Frommer, Associated Press Writer | March 27, 2007

WASHINGTON --Sen. John Kerry urged Major League Baseball on Tuesday to hold off on a deal to put the sport's "Extra Innings" package of out-of-market games exclusively on DirecTV Group Inc. A top baseball official declined to agree, with opening day less than a week away.

Kerry, D-Mass., made the push at a Senate Commerce Committee hearing on behalf of subscribers to cable TV and EchoStar Communications Corp.'s Dish Network who had received the package previously.

The dispute concerns which homes will receive baseball's new television network in 2009. DirecTV, a satellite service, has agreed to carry that package as part of its deal. The company would also receive an equity stake in the channel.

At Tuesday's hearing, Rob Jacobson, president and CEO of iN Demand, owned by affiliates of the companies that own Time Warner Cable Inc., Comcast Corp. and Cox Communications Inc., offered to carry the package on the same terms that DirecTV is, while putting off the issue of The Baseball Channel until it is launched.

"This would ensure that for the next two years at least, all baseball fans would have access to the 'Extra Innings' package," he said. "If we're unable to reach an agreement when the channel launches, we'd give baseball the right to cancel the 'Extra Innings' deal. We think this is a fair compromise."

Kerry, often playing the role of mediator, got behind the effort.

"What's the matter with that?" he asked Bob DuPuy, baseball's chief operating officer.

"We believe that DirecTV has the right to begin to help us build the channel," DuPuy answered, adding that the cable industry had nine months to negotiate a deal.

Kerry pressed the issue, suggesting that the status quo be kept in place while the sides tried to work out a deal.

DuPuy wouldn't agree to that, although he said, "Our door remains open" for a resolution.

Baseball gave other incumbent carriers until the end of the month to match the $700 million, seven-year deal it announced with DirecTV on March 8. IN Demand recently made an offer it said matched the deal, but Major League Baseball said it fell short.

Sen. Arlen Specter, R-Pa., who has been critical of the National Football League's "Sunday Ticket" deal with DirecTV, which allows viewers to watch teams outside their regional markets, issued a warning to baseball.

"When fans react, Congress reacts," he said, adding, "You may be well advised to act before we do."

Chase Carey, president and CEO of DirecTV, said that the issue was a business one that was best left to the market.

"I don't run down to Washington every time we have a contract issue or a programming issue or a cost issue," he said.

DuPuy said that fans who have gotten the out-of-town games on other providers will still have the option of receiving them this year: by switching to DirecTV or subscribing to MLB.TV to watch the games on the Internet.

"This is not a matter of fans being unable to view Major League Baseball's out-of-market games," he said. "It is a matter of not being able to watch those games on a particular system."

"Extra Innings" had more than a half-million TV subscribers last year.

Carl Vogel, president of EchoStar, said exclusive content deals are bad for fans.

"They harm existing consumers while limiting choices in the future," he said.

Kerry, who has asked the Federal Communications Commission to investigate, said in an interview after the hearing that legislation was a possibility but not his preference.

"Obviously, we're interested in it, a number of senators suggested the possibility of Congress doing something, but I'd like to see the parties get together in the next four days and hopefully resolve this," he said.

"If they can't get together, we are where we are and we'll look at what we're going to do."


SkyPuppy - 3/28/2007 at 10:47 PM

quote:
quote:
CARACAS, Venezuela (AP) -- Former Major League baseball pitcher Ugueth Urbina was sentenced to 14 years in prison for the attempted murder of five workers on his family's ranch, the Attorney General's Office announced Wednesday.


One season with the Phils drove him to this.



When he gets out, he will be old enough to pitch for the Yankees.
Nah...with that last name, he's more suited for Los Met's.
I hear Old Timers Day at Shea this year will just be a Split Squad Game


WharfRat - 3/29/2007 at 12:20 AM

quote:
Pavano say's he's ready for Opening Day!!
...doesn't that make us Yankee's Fan's Giddy...
Perfect Scenerio:
Pavano pitches into the 7th Inning, up 3-1, maybe 4-2, get's the first out of the 7th, Joe come's and take's him out so he can walk off alone to the cheer's of the crowd.
Sandman blasting over the sound system for the top of the 9th.
...sweet music to my ears!



And then they can trade him


WharfRat - 3/29/2007 at 12:20 AM

Pavano, not Mariano


SkyPuppy - 3/29/2007 at 12:22 AM

quote:
Pavano, not Mariano
duh!


WharfRat - 3/29/2007 at 12:23 AM

quote:
quote:
Pavano, not Mariano
duh!



gondicar - 3/29/2007 at 01:35 AM

Ouch!!!

Updated: March 28, 2007, 9:13 PM ET

Swindal may have lost chance to take over Yankees
ESPN.com news services

TAMPA, Fla. -- George Steinbrenner's daughter filed divorce papers this week against her husband, Steve Swindal, a move that appears to end his chance to take over as head of the New York Yankees.

Jennifer Swindal filed the papers Tuesday in Hillsborough County Circuit Court's family law department, Yankees spokesman Howard Rubenstein said Wednesday. Rubenstein said the papers cited "irreconcilable differences."

"Steve and Jenny Swindal announced today that they are amicably ending their marriage of 23 years," Rubenstein said in a statement. "Although their marriage is dissolving, they remain friends and maintain a strong mutual respect. They are devoted to their two children and will make them their shared focus."

Reached by telephone, Swindal said he didn't want to comment beyond the statement or address his role with the team.

In June 2005, Steinbrenner said Swindal eventually would succeed him as head of the Yankees. Swindal currently is a Yankees general partner and chairman of Yankee Global Enterprises LLC. The New York Times, citing a source with direct knowledge of the situation, reported on Wednesday that Steinbrenner now has no intention of promoting Swindal, but removing him from the team altogether could be complicated since he is a partial owner of the club.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2816598


cupofjo - 3/29/2007 at 01:42 AM

OH OH!

He is definately bumming.


crossroad_blues - 3/29/2007 at 01:53 AM

"Where's my Calzone? Castanza! Castanza!"


WharfRat - 3/29/2007 at 01:59 AM

Guess that openes the door for me


DannyVsGodzilla - 3/29/2007 at 02:19 AM

the yanks are scewed for april, but lets face it they're the yankees. we all know they'll pull some miracle trade off and get cy young re-incarnated into the body of victor zambrano and win the world series some how, and as a met fan i hate it.


crossroad_blues - 3/29/2007 at 02:20 AM

quote:
quote:
Guess that openes the door for me


A little overtime and you will have the $900,000,000 you need in no time.


All you gotta do is start hittin' on Jennifer.

You'll be in NY tomorrow. Here's your opportunity.


WharfRat - 3/29/2007 at 02:36 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
Guess that openes the door for me


A little overtime and you will have the $900,000,000 you need in no time.


All you gotta do is start hittin' on Jennifer.

You'll be in NY tomorrow. Here's your opportunity.


Hmmm maybe a ride on the D train to the Bronx instead of the Broadway express train


crossroad_blues - 3/30/2007 at 03:00 AM

quote:
The Cubs optioned Mark Prior to the minors. Interesting. At least he isn't starting the year on the DL, but you have to wonder about his future.


Poor bastid. I actually picked him in the Wharfball league draft, hoping he'd have a decent comeback.

.....dropped him today.


RobFilmMusic - 3/30/2007 at 04:22 AM

quote:
quote:
The Cubs optioned Mark Prior to the minors. Interesting. At least he isn't starting the year on the DL, but you have to wonder about his future.


Poor bastid. I actually picked him in the Wharfball league draft, hoping he'd have a decent comeback.

.....dropped him today.


Chuck, you may also reconsider who you picked up to replace him as well.:

Indians' Lee out 4-6 weeks with abdominal injury:

WINTER HAVEN, Fla. -- Cleveland Indians pitcher Cliff Lee will start the season on the disabled list because of an abdomen strain.

The lefty, who went 14-11 with a 4.40 ERA last season and is 46-24 since 2004, felt the strain in his right abdomen during a throwing session early in spring training.

"The reality is I can't pitch until mid-April," Lee said after being scratched from a scheduled throwing session when he felt discomfort during training-room exercises Sunday morning.

The Indians hope Lee, their No. 3 starter, will at least be able to resume throwing for the final two weeks of training camp.

"The symptoms persist," trainer Lonnie Soloff said. "Cliff won't throw for seven to 10 days. Then we'll initiate a return-to-throw program. We're approaching it as a four-to-six week rehab."

This is the third straight year that a key member of the Indians' starting rotation will be sidelined in April. No. 1 starter C.C. Sabathia was out for a month in both 2005 and 2006 with a strained muscle in his right side.

"It's frustrating to watch everybody getting ready and I'm left behind a little bit," Lee said. "If this was late in the season, I'd probably try to keep pitching through it. There's no sense in doing something that could make this worse and really miss a lot of time."

Lee said he followed the same regimen this winter and was surprised to feel the strain in his second bullpen session early in camp.

"It's just a slight strain that I can feel on my follow-through," Lee said. "I told the trainers when I first felt it because of my history. They thought it would be a three-day thing."

Lee played catch a few days later and felt fine. When he tossed the ball on the sidelines the next day, however, the ache returned after about 20-30 throws and he was shut down again.

Right-hander Fausto Carmona likely will take Lee's spot in the starting rotation, though veteran Paul Byrd or young Jeremy Sowers could be moved into the third spot. Sowers, who went 7-4 in 14 starts after being called up from the minors last June, is listed as the fourth starter. Byrd, 36, who was 10-9 with a 4.88 ERA a year ago, is No. 5.


RobFilmMusic - 3/30/2007 at 04:25 AM

Another shocker on the DL front:

Gagne to start on DL to get more work

SURPRISE, Ariz. -- Eric Gagne will start the season on the disabled list for the Texas Rangers, a move the team is making to give the closer more time to come back from elbow and back operations.

The Rangers said Gagne hasn't had any health setbacks. The 2003 NL Cy Young Award winner has pitched only 15 1-3 innings over the past two seasons.

"I feel pretty good, but I think this is going to help the team," Gagne said after throwing 15 pitches in a minor league game Thursday. "We are here to have a successful season and make the playoffs."

This is the third straight season since his dominating run as the Los Angeles Dodgers' closer that Gagne will be on the disabled list before pitching.

Gagne had elbow surgery in June 2005, then another operation last April to remove a nerve from his pitching elbow. He had surgery last July to repair a herniated disk in his lower back.

Akinori Otsuka, who converted 32 of 36 saves last season, will handle the closing duties until Gagne returns.

The move will be retroactive to Wednesday, meaning Gagne could rejoin the Rangers on April 13 for the start of a series in Seattle. Gagne will pitch for Double-A Frisco and Triple-A Oklahoma until then, and will make back-to-back appearances before joining the Rangers.

"It's the right thing to do, not only for him, but for us," pitching coach Mark Connor said.

In his third and last "A" game appearance Tuesday, Gagne allowed four runs and five hits in one inning against San Diego. That was the same game, played in gusty winds, that No. 1 starter Kevin Millwood allowed 10 runs in 4 2-3 innings of a 24-7 Padres' victory.

For spring training, Gagne had a 15.00 ERA (five earned runs in three innings) with six strikeouts and six walks. He allowed a home run on the first pitch he threw.

Gagne had 152 saves from 2002-04, including all 55 chances in 2003, when he had a 1.20 ERA and won the Cy Young. He converted a major-league record 84 consecutive saves from August 2002 to July 2004.

The hard-throwing right-hander started 2005 on the DL, and last year he went to the DL without pitching a game less than a week after starting the season on the Dodgers roster.

After Los Angeles didn't exercise Gagne's $12 million option for 2007, the Rangers gave him a $6 million, one-year deal with the chance to make $5 more in performance bonuses.

Notes
Texas placed LHP John Rheinecker and INF Joaquin Arias on the DL. OF Jason Botts was optioned to Triple-A Oklahoma, and INF Ramon Vazquez was reassigned to minor league camp.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press


crossroad_blues - 3/30/2007 at 04:29 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
The Cubs optioned Mark Prior to the minors. Interesting. At least he isn't starting the year on the DL, but you have to wonder about his future.


Poor bastid. I actually picked him in the Wharfball league draft, hoping he'd have a decent comeback.

.....dropped him today.


Chuck, you may also reconsider who you picked up to replace him as well.:

Indians' Lee out 4-6 weeks with abdominal injury:

WINTER HAVEN, Fla. -- Cleveland Indians pitcher Cliff Lee will start the season on the disabled list because of an abdomen strain.




Good Gawd !!!

Maybe I better not pick anyone else. Seems to be a curse.


RobFilmMusic - 3/30/2007 at 04:43 AM

quote:
quote:
quote:
quote:
The Cubs optioned Mark Prior to the minors. Interesting. At least he isn't starting the year on the DL, but you have to wonder about his future.


Poor bastid. I actually picked him in the Wharfball league draft, hoping he'd have a decent comeback.

.....dropped him today.


Chuck, you may also reconsider who you picked up to replace him as well.:

Indians' Lee out 4-6 weeks with abdominal injury:

WINTER HAVEN, Fla. -- Cleveland Indians pitcher Cliff Lee will start the season on the disabled list because of an abdomen strain.




Good Gawd !!!

Maybe I better not pick anyone else. Seems to be a curse.


Don't worry, I picked Lee in my other league and promptly dropped him as well.

Generally as a precaution i check up on all of my players on ESPN because they're a little more in depth than the yahoo thingie sometimes.


crossroad_blues - 3/30/2007 at 04:56 AM

[quoteGenerally as a precaution i check up on all of my players on ESPN because they're a little more in depth than the yahoo thingie sometimes.




Thanks for the tip. I have other pitchers flagged. Guess I'll drop Lee too & pick up someone else.....

......who will promptly go on the DL...


cupofjo - 3/30/2007 at 11:08 AM

Chuck your cursed


cupofjo - 3/30/2007 at 11:09 AM

quote:
Another shocker on the DL front:

Gagne to start on DL to get more work

SURPRISE, Ariz. -- Eric Gagne will start the season on the disabled list for the Texas Rangers, a move the team is making to give the closer more time to come back from elbow and back operations.

The Rangers said Gagne hasn't had any health setbacks. The 2003 NL Cy Young Award winner has pitched only 15 1-3 innings over the past two seasons.

"I feel pretty good, but I think this is going to help the team," Gagne said after throwing 15 pitches in a minor league game Thursday. "We are here to have a successful season and make the playoffs."

This is the third straight season since his dominating run as the Los Angeles Dodgers' closer that Gagne will be on the disabled list before pitching.

Gagne had elbow surgery in June 2005, then another operation last April to remove a nerve from his pitching elbow. He had surgery last July to repair a herniated disk in his lower back.

Akinori Otsuka, who converted 32 of 36 saves last season, will handle the closing duties until Gagne returns.

The move will be retroactive to Wednesday, meaning Gagne could rejoin the Rangers on April 13 for the start of a series in Seattle. Gagne will pitch for Double-A Frisco and Triple-A Oklahoma until then, and will make back-to-back appearances before joining the Rangers.

"It's the right thing to do, not only for him, but for us," pitching coach Mark Connor said.

In his third and last "A" game appearance Tuesday, Gagne allowed four runs and five hits in one inning against San Diego. That was the same game, played in gusty winds, that No. 1 starter Kevin Millwood allowed 10 runs in 4 2-3 innings of a 24-7 Padres' victory.

For spring training, Gagne had a 15.00 ERA (five earned runs in three innings) with six strikeouts and six walks. He allowed a home run on the first pitch he threw.

Gagne had 152 saves from 2002-04, including all 55 chances in 2003, when he had a 1.20 ERA and won the Cy Young. He converted a major-league record 84 consecutive saves from August 2002 to July 2004.

The hard-throwing right-hander started 2005 on the DL, and last year he went to the DL without pitching a game less than a week after starting the season on the Dodgers roster.

After Los Angeles didn't exercise Gagne's $12 million option for 2007, the Rangers gave him a $6 million, one-year deal with the chance to make $5 more in performance bonuses.

Notes
Texas placed LHP John Rheinecker and INF Joaquin Arias on the DL. OF Jason Botts was optioned to Triple-A Oklahoma, and INF Ramon Vazquez was reassigned to minor league camp.

Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press


Red Sox were smart not picking him up!


crossroad_blues - 3/31/2007 at 04:31 AM

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The Cubs optioned Mark Prior to the minors. Interesting. At least he isn't starting the year on the DL, but you have to wonder about his future.


Poor bastid. I actually picked him in the Wharfball league draft, hoping he'd have a decent comeback.

.....dropped him today.


Chuck, you may also reconsider who you picked up to replace him as well.:

Indians' Lee out 4-6 weeks with abdominal injury:

WINTER HAVEN, Fla. -- Cleveland Indians pitcher Cliff Lee will start the season on the disabled list because of an abdomen strain.




Good Gawd !!!

Maybe I better not pick anyone else. Seems to be a curse.



Do me a favor. If he is available, pick Cole Hamels.


LMAO !


crossroad_blues - 3/31/2007 at 04:34 AM

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is Kenny Rodgers available?


RobFilmMusic - 4/1/2007 at 04:49 AM

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The Cubs optioned Mark Prior to the minors. Interesting. At least he isn't starting the year on the DL, but you have to wonder about his future.


Poor bastid. I actually picked him in the Wharfball league draft, hoping he'd have a decent comeback.

.....dropped him today.


Chuck, you may also reconsider who you picked up to replace him as well.:

Indians' Lee out 4-6 weeks with abdominal injury:

WINTER HAVEN, Fla. -- Cleveland Indians pitcher Cliff Lee will start the season on the disabled list because of an abdomen strain.




Good Gawd !!!

Maybe I better not pick anyone else. Seems to be a curse.



Do me a favor. If he is available, pick Cole Hamels.


I'd figure you'd ask for Brett Myers


RobFilmMusic - 4/1/2007 at 04:16 PM

The new season is upon us tonite..................... and damn if I ain't got ESPN.

Any predictions other than me eventually breaking down and buying extended cable?


SkyPuppy - 4/1/2007 at 11:52 PM

13 Minutes to first pitch!
Then it's opening day at Yankee Stadium tomorrw (Corey Lidles' widow and son throw out the first pitch) for Opening Day, and the Bros at the Beacon at night!
This is a first for me in all these years. Gonna try and sneak a nap in between.
I hope you all have a great and healthy competitive baseball season with your teams'.('cept when you play the yanks, of course).
God, I love this game!


crossroad_blues - 4/1/2007 at 11:55 PM

Are you ready for some... BASEBALL?!!!


cupofjo - 4/2/2007 at 12:45 AM

PLAY BALL!!!


cupofjo - 4/2/2007 at 12:46 AM

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Chuck your cursed


is Kenny Rodgers available?




That is my kid I am the enlightened one


WharfRat - 4/2/2007 at 01:16 AM

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Are you ready for some... BASEBALL?!!!




ABBsolutely


WharfRat - 4/2/2007 at 10:26 AM

My favorite day of the year, other then opening night of the Beacon run

Well, beat the drum and hold the phone - the sun came out today!
We're born again, there's new grass on the field.
A-roundin' third, and headed for home, it's a brown-eyed handsome man;
Anyone can understand the way I feel.

[Chorus:]
Oh, put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play today;
Put me in, Coach - I'm ready to play today;
Look at me, I can be Centerfield.

Well, I spent some time in the Mudville Nine, watchin' it from the bench;
You know I took some lumps when the Mighty Casey struck out.
So Say Hey Willie, tell Ty Cobb and Joe DiMaggio;
Don't say "it ain't so", you know the time is now.

[Chorus]

Yeah! I got it, I got it!

Got a beat-up glove, a homemade bat, and brand-new pair of shoes;
You know I think it's time to give this game a ride.
Just to hit the ball and touch 'em all - a moment in the sun;
(pop) It's gone and you can tell that one goodbye!



cupofjo - 4/2/2007 at 11:11 AM


gondicar - 4/2/2007 at 12:03 PM

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PLAY BALL!!!






WOOO HOOOOO!!!!


gondicar - 4/2/2007 at 12:08 PM

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Any predictions other than me eventually breaking down and buying extended cable?


American League
East - Boston
Central - Detroit
West - LA of A
Wild - Cleveland

National League
East - New York
Central - Chicago
West - LA
Wild - Atlanta

WS - Boston Red Sox defeat New York Mets (Schilling beats Pedro in game 7)


RobFilmMusic - 4/2/2007 at 04:12 PM

opening day my friends.......... opening day.




i've got to work today


gondicar - 4/2/2007 at 06:02 PM

I see E-Rod waited until the top of the 1st to have his first error of the season.


WharfRat - 4/2/2007 at 08:12 PM

Eff PAy-Rod.


ThaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaYankees WIN


cupofjo - 4/3/2007 at 11:06 AM

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Eff PAy-Rod.


ThaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaYankees WIN



Hey now none of them looked to sharp out there today. That ball Arod missed was really Jorge's ball. And Jeter airmailed one to Phelps. Then later on Phelps payed Jeter back. So it wasnt a pretty game. The good thing was Pavano did allright he pitched out of jams but gased to early.

How sweet was it to see big mouth Schilling take it on the chin Or Contreras getting yanked in the first


gondicar - 4/3/2007 at 12:09 PM

Schilling did not look good at all...while on the other hand Meche looked like he might be worth that $55 million after all...keeping in mind it is just 1 game for both, no reason to get too excited either way. The only thing that really sucks is having to wait until tomorrow for game 2...


SkyPuppy - 4/3/2007 at 02:16 PM

What a great Double Dip I had!
Yankee's came out sloppy, but pulled it out in the end.
Allman Brothers were awesome, lots of enegy!
and, ..The Red Sox lost
Not a bad day at all!


WharfRat - 4/3/2007 at 02:34 PM

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The good thing was Pavano did allright he pitched out of jams but gased to early.


5 runs in 4 innings is hardly 'allright"


gondicar - 4/3/2007 at 06:08 PM

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The good thing was Pavano did allright he pitched out of jams but gased to early.


5 runs in 4 innings is hardly 'allright"



Yer darn right...7 runs in 3 innings would have been more like it.


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