Thread: The Wrestling Thread

TopDroog - 10/5/2005 at 11:09 PM

Given some of the comments I've seen here, some of the discussions I've had with other members over the years, and the contents on another thread on the WP, I've decided to start a thread devoted to Wrestling. Mostly the fake kind, but of course discussions about the real kind are also welcome (I'm particularly interested in some of the crossover guys, e.g., Kurt Angle, Brock Lesnar, and Shelton Benjamin, among others).

I'll start it off with some nuggets:

1) Kevin Von Erich's appearance on the RAW "homecoming" Monday night led me to do a little web surfing to see what he's been up to lately. I found this site:

http://www.rightherepictures.com/main.htm

The film looks like it's been very well done, and I look forward to its release. Make sure you watch the trailer, you'll see a lot of familiar faces. Also, the "forum" link on the site will take you to a discussion board with a good number of WCCW fans.

One thing that I learned there was that WWE has purchased the WCCW film archive. So, maybe we'll see some DVD's with some of those classic Von Erich/Freebirds match-ups, among other great bouts. When WWF first exploded in the mid-eighties, I'd watch it, but I always preferred the "better wrestling," IMO, of the WCCW. It will be nice to see some of that again.

Through a little more research, I found that one of my favorite bad guys from the WCCW days, Freebird Michael Hayes, worked for a while for the WWF, as a sort of "J.R." type guy. He went by the name of Doc Hendrix. I must not have been watching at that time, because I don't remember him.

2) What do we think of RAW's return to the USA Network? I'm thinking it will be pretty much the same.

3) More significant, IMO, is TNA's move to Spike TV. I think it will increase their exposure considerably, perhaps earn them a few more dollars to spend, and they will be able to expand their operation. I think some competition will do the industry some good. The "McMahon owns everything" scenario gets really boring really fast.

Okay, discuss.

[Edited on 10/5/2005 by TopDroog]


WharfRat - 10/6/2005 at 12:04 AM

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2) What do we think of RAW's return to the USA Network? I'm thinking it will be pretty much the same.




Seemed like they were pushing the envelope a litttle more, as far as the Girls go..

I havent watched it in awhile, and tuned in Monday to "catch up"

Not too bad, the HHH/ Flair thing has possiblilities..


OldSchool - 10/6/2005 at 03:43 AM

Good idea Droog.I was also pleasantly surprised to see Kevin Von Erich the other night.I haven't delved into the link you posted yet,but my dad first got cable in the mid 80s when I was in High School,since I lived on Long Island I had been watching the WWF since the 70s,but with cable & TBS I was introduced to the NWA & the 4 Horsemen(woooh!),NWA was the sh*t in the mid to late 80s.But I also got ESPN with cable,and at 4 PM every weekday they had wrestling.On Monday the had the weekly WCCW television show,and Teusday through Friday was a show called "Legends Of World Class Championship Wrestling".Each episode showed one of the old weekly WCCW television recordings,& I wouldn't miss one man,I taped it everyday.They started(at least when I started watching,can't remember if I caught it from the beginning) around the very late 70s or 1980,so in a year & a half or two I saw 7 or 8 years worth of WCCW history,the Von Erichs were WCCW(wasn't Fritz the promoter?),those wars with the Freebirds were classic.The Von Erich story is incredibly sad,a real tragedy .You just know 95% of the current WWE fans had no idea who Kevin was(unless they read Flair's book maybe),but I was stoked to see him & when he used the Iron Claw on that newb.Flair told his side of the Von Erich story in his book,but I remember thinking he should have shown much more descretion & not spilt so much inside knowledge about the drug use of the late Kerry & David,and wondering at the time what had become of Kevin & how he must feel about it.Well,I got my answer Monday night,when HHH was beating a bloody Flair outside the ring & yelling at Dusty Rhodes & the other Legends(who all looked fitingly upset & worried about 'ol Ric),did you see the evil smile on Kevin's face?(he was at the end of the row)I was laughin' my ass off...


fast43 - 10/6/2005 at 04:04 AM

Wrestling is fake

I use to be a big rasslin fan before the WWF killed the territories. I watched the old Memphis wrestling. The home of Jerry "the King" Lawler. Dave Brown and Lance Russell were the announcers. Some of the wrestlers,
Jackie Fargo
Roughhouse Fargo
Bill Dundee
Handsome Jimmy Valliant
Terry Boulder ( he later changed his name to something like Hulk Hogan)
Tommy Gilbert
Eddie Marlin
Tojo Yamamoto
Wayne Farris (later became The Honky Tonk Man)
Rocky Johnson (The Rocks' father)

Some of the best gimmicks ever came from Memphis Wrestlin.

I don't like what Vince McMahnan has done to wrestling.

I miss the old days of rasslin, I use to go to Louisville Gardens every Tuesday night.


johnwott - 10/6/2005 at 04:05 AM

Shouldn't this be called the Razzlin thread.

Wrestling was something I did in school

was the 98 lb champ in 8th grade.


Slammer - 10/6/2005 at 07:57 AM

I still enjoy watching this crap

I rented a satelite dish so I could bootleg Wrestlemania 1

Used to catch the road shows when they came through town. This was before ticketbasturd. If you were first in line for tickets, you got front row seats. It was awesome to meet Gorilla Monsoon, George "the animal" Steele, "Mr wonderful" Paul Orndorff, Hillbilly Jim, Rowdy Roddy Piper, Randy "macho man" Savage, Jake the snake, Jimmy "superfly" Snooka, Adrian Adonis, the Iron Shiek, Sgt Slaughter, "million dollar man" Ted Debiaze, and geez a whole bunch I don't remember right now.

Thanks for the memories, Droogie

While were on the subject of rasslin', any Roller Derby fans out here? Bay Bombers, Midwest Pioneers? Charlie O'Connell, Peanuts Meyer?


LexABB - 10/6/2005 at 10:13 AM

Shelton Benjamin is from Orangeburg about an hour from where I live, in high school he was a bad ass, he did not have the clean image he does now he looked like he always pissed at something, he was a 210 lbs Heavy weight State Champion, which meant he wrestled guys that were cutting weight to make the 275 lbs weight class, he went undeafeated his senior year and was untouched virtually all year, When we played his high school in football about two years ago( we play them every year) he was there and those kids were going nuts!!!


Mike - 10/6/2005 at 11:20 AM



Wrestling was neat... when I was in the 8th grade.



Mike


PeterNelson - 10/6/2005 at 11:35 AM


Peachypetewi - 10/6/2005 at 12:35 PM

Moose Cholak, now there was a wrestler


http://bodyslamming.com/deceased/cholak.html






[Edited on 10/7/2005 by Peachypetewi]


Bhawk - 10/6/2005 at 01:54 PM

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1) Kevin Von Erich's appearance on the RAW "homecoming"


That was really cool. Funny how he's a grandfather and he looks better than alot of folks currently on the active roster. Given all of the things that happened to that family, it was really good to see him there. The icy looks at Flair were priceless.

It was also glaring that night when you look at how little talent the younger guys have now at cutting promos. Flair will always be one of the best. Dusty Rhodes was winging it and pulling it off.

quote:
I found that one of my favorite bad guys from the WCCW days, Freebird Michael Hayes, worked for a while for the WWF, as a sort of "J.R." type guy.


Still works for WWE as an agent. During the backstage Flair-HHH beatdown, the "random" fellow HHH punched was Michael Hayes.


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2) What do we think of RAW's return to the USA Network? I'm thinking it will be pretty much the same.



The return to USA will cost the WWE $40 million annually. When RAW came up for renewal, Vince asked Spike for nearly triple the amount of the last contract. The WWE also, in the old Spike contract, shared in 35% of the ad revenue from all the WWE programming on Spike. When Spike told Vince they weren't interested, the only place he could go was back to USA. Wrestling has and always will have a stigma attached to it...many networks wouldn't give wrestling programming a thought. Also, Vince torched his major network bridges after his XFL debacle that cost him and NBC millions of dollars. The new USA contract does not include any ad revenue sharing and they will still get pre-empted for the dog show.

The major reason behind the four hours of "Homecoming" programming on Monday also had much to do with Vince's attempt to bury UFC programming on Spike. The first season of Ultimate Fighter was such a ratings success that UFC and Dana White convinced Spike execs that UFC can stand on it's own, and that Ultimate Fighter did not need that Raw lead-in in the coveted 18-34 male demographic. This past Monday eveyone turned out happy, as Raw pulled a 4.4 rating (usually in the 3.0 to 4.0 range) and the Ultimate Fight Night pulled a cumulative 1.8 (usually 1.0 to 1.4).

As far as the quality of Raw, just always remember that Stephanie rules the current creative team with an iron hand, HHH has heavy influence, and eight of the 11 or so writers they carry are all from a television writing background...right now to get a job as a writer they prefer that you have little to no wrestling knowledge. It shows, doesn't it?

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3) More significant, IMO, is TNA's move to Spike TV. I think it will increase their exposure considerably, perhaps earn them a few more dollars to spend, and they will be able to expand their operation. I think some competition will do the industry some good. The "McMahon owns everything" scenario gets really boring really fast.




TNA is a really fascinating story. The in-ring action, if one likes a fast-paced, high-flying style, WWE cannot hold a candle to. AJ Styles, in my opinion, is well on his way to becoming easily one of the best ever. Christopher Daniels is awesome, Samoa Joe is another legend in the making. To me, though, the one major issue I have is with Jeff Jarrett. God, I hate that guy.

The WWE will do everything they can to squash TNA like a bug. If you watched the TNA premiere, you might of noticed that the Dudleys are no longer the Dudleys. WWE filed a trademark injunction as they do with most of thier former wrestlers. Any name created by WWE becomes trademarked intellectual property. For instance, remember Jamie Noble? He's been on the indie circuit and working for the independent Ring of Honor promotion for the last year as James Gibson (His real name). He will be returning to WWE soon as Jamie Noble. The Dudleys, not having the financial power to take on the WWE in court, would have had a great chance at winning that one in court since they were the Dudleys in ECW before they came to WWE. WWE countered that since they own the rights to ECW, they retain intellectual property as well.

If you really want to see how petty the WWE is when it comes to this stuff, they actually sent an injunction to TNA warning then not to use the word "superstar" as they claim sports entertainment intellectual property on that word.


Man, Droog, I'm sooo happy you started this thread. Can you tell?

BTW, I've watched wrestling for 25 years. Can't stop!


oldcoot - 10/6/2005 at 02:04 PM

For a time, Maurice "Mad Dog" Vachon lived two houses away from a school buddy of mine. We'd see him out watering the flowers etc. Spoke to him once or twice. Seemed like an "average" guy, not the persona he had during matches. You'd think he'd lift a leg on the flowers, not water them.

I remember once on the Monday Night rasslin' show they had on tv in Omaha, Mad Dog lost a challenge match and therefore had to eat dog food out of a dog dish.

Now that's entertainment!


oldcoot - 10/6/2005 at 02:27 PM

Oh, and who can forget, watching black and white tv and Haystack Calhoun taking on six midgets simultaneously....


TopDroog - 10/6/2005 at 02:27 PM

That's some good stuff there, Bhawk, thanks for the substantial contribution. I didn't know that about Stephanie and HHH being responsible for much of the story line - I assume that's what you meant by the "creative team."

For the longest time, TNA was only on (at least that I was aware of) on Fridays at 4:00 or something, before I got home from work. So, I don't really know much about AJ Stiles, but my 11 year old raves about him, and was quite thrilled when he found a few TNA action figures amid the dozens of WWE figures at the local toy store.

Know anything about that "Christian" wrestling thing DiBiase was trying to put together with Sting?


fast43 - 10/6/2005 at 02:59 PM

quote:

Know anything about that "Christian" wrestling thing DiBiase was trying to put together with Sting?


I really don't know anything about it, but that explains why I saw them on one of the Christian channels when I was channel surfing the other day


fast43 - 10/6/2005 at 03:21 PM

Here's a classic Memphis pix

Does that guy look familiar?


oldcoot - 10/6/2005 at 03:43 PM

quote:
Here's a classic Memphis pix

Does that guy look familiar?




cROky on the left and Wott on the right????


Bhawk - 10/6/2005 at 03:53 PM

From the looks of that picture, it appears that Jimmy Hart is the Dick Clark of wrestling. The guy does not age!


fast43 - 10/6/2005 at 04:20 PM

Do you remember a band called the Gentrys?

They had a hit song in either 1965 or 66 called Keep On Dancin

Jimmy Hart was the lead singer for them.

When Hart first came on the wrestling scene in the late 70's early 80's he was
Jerry Lawlers ringside "guest" (I saw this match when they made their weekly trip to Louisville). A week later Hart interfered in the match. The next week he was Lawlers' manager. About a month later Hart turned on Lawler, I don't remember who he sided with. It might have been the "Universal Heartthrob" Austin Idol.

As the storyline progressed it led to a match between Lawler and I believe it was Idol. Lawler put his hair up against Jimmy Hart's Gold Record.
When Lawler won the match he took the record and threw it in the Mississippi River on the Saturday Morning wrestling show.


Bhawk - 10/6/2005 at 04:32 PM

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Know anything about that "Christian" wrestling thing DiBiase was trying to put together with Sting?


Sting (Steve Borden) had a stellar career that was heavily altered (as do so many in pro wrestling) by pills and booze. After he left the business, he became a Christian and redevoted his life to his family. In reading interviews with him since, he's pretty much a good guy who has some serious issues with the more risque elements of what the WWE has become. He also has stated over and over that he has no interest in preaching, he's just a Christian guy who wants the best for him and his family. He does appearances for a Christian group called Lifeway. Here's a pic of the Stinger from last year:



There are already several "Christian" pro wrestling shows. Vince Russo, of all people, is the latest to jump on this particular train.

As far as the Million Dollar Man, he has always been vocal about his displeasure with the WWE product from a Christian point of view, that is, until last year when he took a position on the Smackdown writing team, which turned out to be a disaster since all Ted could present were a bunch of 30 year old ideas. He is currently still under contract with the WWE.

Sting has made it clear that he doesn't think that he could ever return full-time, if not for anything else but for his age and potential for injury. When you take a hard look at the neck injuries (Angle, Benoit, Austin, etc.) it makes an older fella think twice about subjecting himself to the abuse again.

But, with the world of professional wrestling, never say never.


Bhawk - 10/6/2005 at 04:35 PM

quote:
Do you remember a band called the Gentrys?

They had a hit song in either 1965 or 66 called Keep On Dancin

Jimmy Hart was the lead singer for them.

When Hart first came on the wrestling scene in the late 70's early 80's he was
Jerry Lawlers ringside "guest" (I saw this match when they made their weekly trip to Louisville). A week later Hart interfered in the match. The next week he was Lawlers' manager. About a month later Hart turned on Lawler, I don't remember who he sided with. It might have been the "Universal Heartthrob" Austin Idol.

As the storyline progressed it led to a match between Lawler and I believe it was Idol. Lawler put his hair up against Jimmy Hart's Gold Record.
When Lawler won the match he took the record and threw it in the Mississippi River on the Saturday Morning wrestling show.




The Mouth of the South has written several of the entrance themes too, the biggest being Shawn Michaels "Sexy Boy" tune.

Jimmy has always been able to freely move about all of the different organizations until very recently. He was involved with alot of TNA until just a few months ago, when Vince put the kibosh on that.


Bhawk - 10/6/2005 at 05:15 PM

Hey fast43, I used to read about all of the crazy s**t that used to go down in Memphis back in the day and just read in amazement...were you ever at any of the shows during the Jerry Lawler-Eddie Gilbert feud, especially when they were throwing fireballs at each other?


fast43 - 10/6/2005 at 06:16 PM

Yeah I saw some of those matches. I would go to the Louisville Gardens on Tuesday nights. The Circuit was
Monday, Memphis Tn
Tuesday, Louisville, Ky
Wednesday Evansville, In
Not sure what nights the other stops were but
Tupelo MS
Those were the regular stops

I saw Andy Kaufman in a wrestling match. Yeah, Yeah yeah yeah

There were some great stuff
Lawler vs Bill Dundee
Lawler & Dundee vs The Blonde Bombers, Wayne Ferris and Larry Lathem. Ferris went on to be Honky Tonk Man and Lathem became Moondog Spot. Larry Lathen passed away a couple years ago. He had a heart attack in the ring.

Sometimes I'll watch WWE or someother wrestling and I'll see a gimmick that I saw 30 years ago on Memphis wrestling.


OldSchool - 10/6/2005 at 07:23 PM

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TNA is a really fascinating story. The in-ring action, if one likes a fast-paced, high-flying style, WWE cannot hold a candle to. AJ Styles, in my opinion, is well on his way to becoming easily one of the best ever. Christopher Daniels is awesome, Samoa Joe is another legend in the making. To me, though, the one major issue I have is with Jeff Jarrett. God, I hate that guy.

The WWE will do everything they can to squash TNA like a bug. If you watched the TNA premiere, you might of noticed that the Dudleys are no longer the Dudleys. WWE filed a trademark injunction as they do with most of thier former wrestlers. Any name created by WWE becomes trademarked intellectual property. For instance, remember Jamie Noble? He's been on the indie circuit and working for the independent Ring of Honor promotion for the last year as James Gibson (His real name). He will be returning to WWE soon as Jamie Noble. The Dudleys, not having the financial power to take on the WWE in court, would have had a great chance at winning that one in court since they were the Dudleys in ECW before they came to WWE. WWE countered that since they own the rights to ECW, they retain intellectual property as well.

If you really want to see how petty the WWE is when it comes to this stuff, they actually sent an injunction to TNA warning then not to use the word "superstar" as they claim sports entertainment intellectual property on that word.


I'm with ya on Jeff Jarrett Bhawk.This guy was once a mediocre to good wrestler,now he just plain sucks.Isn't his dad Jerry one of the TNA promoters?That explains his push & spot,I've heard the crowd chanting "drop the belt" while he's doing promos(which also suck).Personally I'd like to see him drop it to Sabu,it'll never happen though .
Anyway,I'm glad TNA got the Spike deal too Droogie,the McMahon monoploy has got to end.The aquisition of the Dudleys is a huge play,I can't belive Vince won't let them use the name,what a dickhead.Does that include 'D'von' & 'Bubba'? I would think he'd welcome the small amount of competition TNA offers,he knows from the past competition always improves the quality of the product,look at the ratings wars of '96-'98,pro wrestling has probably never been better(including ECW,'96 was their banner year).


mash535 - 10/6/2005 at 08:36 PM

quote:
Do you remember a band called the Gentrys?

They had a hit song in either 1965 or 66 called Keep On Dancin

Jimmy Hart was the lead singer for them.

When Hart first came on the wrestling scene in the late 70's early 80's he was
Jerry Lawlers ringside "guest" (I saw this match when they made their weekly trip to Louisville). A week later Hart interfered in the match. The next week he was Lawlers' manager. About a month later Hart turned on Lawler, I don't remember who he sided with. It might have been the "Universal Heartthrob" Austin Idol.

As the storyline progressed it led to a match between Lawler and I believe it was Idol. Lawler put his hair up against Jimmy Hart's Gold Record.
When Lawler won the match he took the record and threw it in the Mississippi River on the Saturday Morning wrestling show.
I actually saw the Gentrys at a little dance club in Shelbyville, Tenn. called the Cellar. I think it had to be 1967. They had some surprising acts play there such as the Zombies,Beau Brummels(Laugh,Laugh), and the Detroit Wheels without Mitch Ryder! Rock bands from Nashville used to come down and play there in those days(first local long hairs I ever saw). I have always wondered if the Allman Joys didn't play there then since I know they spent some time in Nashville then. Anyone possibly know?


croky - 10/6/2005 at 08:38 PM

This is definitely a great read.
I've been a fan since the mid-70's.
Use to watch it religiously every Saturday morning
when Vinnie Mac used to announce.
Andre,Bob Backllund,Chief JAy STrongbow,
Bruno Sammartino,Superstar Billy GRaham
I could go on forever. Never forget when I saw blood for the first time
Black Jack Mulligan used to do the Claw and they used to out a big black X
on the screen.......classic!
Then moved on to Georgia Wrestling every saturday and sunday night
with Gordon Solie. Those were the good ole days, I love watching the
old highlights.
Great thread, Droog


Bhawk - 10/6/2005 at 08:49 PM

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Isn't his dad Jerry one of the TNA promoters?That explains his push & spot


Yes. TNA was started by Jerry and Jeff Jarrett mainly as a vehicle to make Jeff a star. TNA is now owned by Panda Energy, the owners of which have placed their daughter, Dixie Carter, head of the promotion. Panda has lost $20 million on TNA since they started backing it.

The reason they took the belt off Raven and put it back on Jarrett is that they wanted to have the guy with the most name recognition when they started on Spike. Not the best long-term top guy, and they know it. Besides, the belt that really means the most in TNA is the X Division Title.


Libby - 10/6/2005 at 09:06 PM

When I think of 'rasslin', one name comes to mind..... Gordon Solie! The greatest announcer ever!




Rick Flair is still 'rasslin'? LOL!


Bhawk - 10/6/2005 at 09:19 PM

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Gordon Solie! The greatest announcer ever!


Who could ever forget some of Gordon's best lines, such as the "standing vertical soo-play" and "the name on the marquee is wrestling."

As far as the best ever, though, I used to think that until Joey Styles came along...


fast43 - 10/6/2005 at 10:50 PM

Here's the card from 1/29/80 from an old program that I have



TopDroog - 10/6/2005 at 10:56 PM

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The reason they took the belt off Raven and put it back on Jarrett is that they wanted to have the guy with the most name recognition when they started on Spike. Not the best long-term top guy, and they know it. Besides, the belt that really means the most in TNA is the X Division Title.


Please allow me to join the Jarrett-hating club. That guy has always sucked, and continues to suck. Does he have the most name-recognition in TNA? I thought that would have been Kevin Nash or DDP or somebody else . . . Jarrett seems to suck wherever he goes, unfortunately.

Generic cross between Ric Flair and the Honky Tonk Man, IMO.

Watching the historical stuff after RAW on Monday, I caught a glimpse of "Saturn." He was cool. Anyone know what became of him?


TopDroog - 10/6/2005 at 11:03 PM

I just found the answer to that:

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/p/perry-saturn.html

Read the bottom. Man, the dude's a real hero!


OldSchool - 10/6/2005 at 11:52 PM

quote:
I just found the answer to that:

http://www.obsessedwithwrestling.com/profiles/p/perry-saturn.html

Read the bottom. Man, the dude's a real hero!


Woah,man;
April 2004: Perry Saturn was driving his girlfriend to work when he heard what he thought was an argument next to a vehicle..
~~~When he approached the vehicle, he saw two men trying to restrain a woman as they were raping her..
~~~Without hesitation, he grabbed both men off her, and started fighting with them..
~~~As he was able to get the woman free from her attackers, he felt a burning sensation in his neck..
~~~He thought originally it was a cut stemming from a punch..
~~~However, he learned soonafter he was shot three times in the neck with a 25 caliber handgun..
~~~Perry Saturn now has a steel plate and three stainless steel screws where his C-5, C-6 and C-7 vertabre..


DAMN!I hope he returns someday.The Eliminators were my favorite tagteam in ECW.' Total Eimination was a devistating finishing maneuver


WharfRat - 10/7/2005 at 01:17 AM




Favorite wrestler ever!

That was one sick puppy

Coconut anyone?


OldSchool - 10/7/2005 at 04:03 AM


fast43 - 10/7/2005 at 04:25 AM

I use to go to see wrestling at Louisville Gardens every Tuesday night. Ah the good ol days of rasslin.The Gardens is a 6000 seat basketball arena that use to be the old armory. Eveyone has rassled there once back in hey day of the territories. It was a great time, cheap entertainment admission was $4. And when you could still smoke there we would sit on the top row, And smoke.

As anyone who's gone to the matches will tell you, often the best show is not in the ring but in the crowd. You see some of the most unique people there. This one black family would come every week and sit one section over from us, three or four generations of them.The oldest male could barely get up the steps he was assisted by what I assume was one of his sons. His wife (?) reminded me of Aunt Esther on Sanford & Son. A church going woman, but when the house lights went down on Tuesday night watch out. She was a hardcore fan. She had a shrill piercing voice. I'll never forget the night when Jerry Lawler & Bill Dundee was wrestling the Blonde Bombers, Wayne ferris & Larry Latham. This was the week after the famous concession stand brawl in Tupelo MS.
Lawler got Ferris in an arm bar and she set down the bible and started screaming " Break it, Break it, break that motherf@#*er break it!" The whole time she was just screaming, yelling and carrying on. The matches ended,the house lights came on and she was transformed back to the quiet bible toting woman.

[Edited on 10/7/2005 by fast43]


OldSchool - 10/7/2005 at 04:45 AM

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Lawler got Ferris in an arm bar and she set down the bible and started screaming " Break it, Break it, break that motherf@#*er break it!" The whole she was just screaming, yelling and carrying on. The matches ended,the house lights came on and she was transformed back to the quiet bible toting woman.


Lol!That reminds me of the Andy Kaufman/Jerry lawler footage,there was an old grandma lokkin lady who just got plumb mean during the matches & scream bloody murder.Man those Memphis folk took their wrestling serious!They hated Kaufman!He cracked me up-"I'm the king,oh I'm the king,yeah I'm the king of Memphis wrestling!"
"I'm not from Memphis,Tennesse,I'm from Hollywood,California!"
That guy was burnt man


Bhawk - 10/7/2005 at 01:57 PM

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Please allow me to join the Jarrett-hating club. That guy has always sucked, and continues to suck. Does he have the most name-recognition in TNA? I thought that would have been Kevin Nash or DDP or somebody else . . . Jarrett seems to suck wherever he goes, unfortunately.

Generic cross between Ric Flair and the Honky Tonk Man, IMO.



Well, Kevin Nash is 46...he can't go full-time anymore, plus he's very actively pursuing a movie career. DDP's body is in even worse shape and couldn't handle the grind.

To me, the biggest mistake they are making with Jarrett is they severely underestimate Raven's reputation. If you are trying to steal wrestling fans away from the WWE, then which guy has 1000 times more cred than the other? Raven, of course.

As an "old-school" fan at heart, what really really bugs me is that the NWA champion, wearing a belt modeled after the original "Ten Pounds of Gold" has to use a prop guitar to win every match.


TopDroog - 10/7/2005 at 02:42 PM

That was funny when they switched Nash's steroids for estrogen in the Longest Yard remake.

What about this Dalip Singh (The Giant Singh) character (also in the Longest Yard - the ping-pong playing manianc)? That is one huge mother-effer. I've heard his wrestling sucks (I've never seen it), but that never stopped the Big Show or Andre or any of the other huge bruisers. I'd like to see him in some matches - if for no other reason than to see some of the big loudmouths get laid out every now and then. I believe most of his activity has been in Japan, in the same league where Rick Steiner is now wrestling.








Bhawk - 10/7/2005 at 03:17 PM

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What about this Dalip Singh (The Giant Singh) character


Horrible, horrible worker...actually, a guy died taking a flapjack bump wrong from this guy in training about six months ago...


TopDroog - 10/7/2005 at 03:57 PM

Yes, I remember hearing a little something about that. A real shame. I see where the company had to pay out in a lawsuit because of that. Do you know if it was a mistake on Singh's part, the victim's, or just an all-out accident?


Bhawk - 10/7/2005 at 04:05 PM

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Do you know if it was a mistake on Singh's part, the victim's, or just an all-out accident?


A bit of all three. A flapjack is really easy to screw up if you don't execute it right...the guy that died had already gotten a concussion from taking the exact same bump earlier that day and had no business continuing to take bumps that day (major meat of the lawsuit against the wrestling school), but the real reason it was so bad was the size differential beween the two...puts a whole new perspective on "it's all fake," doesn't it?


croky - 10/7/2005 at 04:20 PM

Who are some of the other guys in TNA?
Sounds like they have a decent cast.
Are Sabu and RAven doing any ECW type stuff?
When did it start on Spike and when is it on?


Bhawk - 10/7/2005 at 04:39 PM

quote:
Who are some of the other guys in TNA?
Sounds like they have a decent cast.



Abyss
A.J. Styles (if you've never seen him and you're a wrestling fan, you are definitely missing out)
Alex Shelley
"The Alpha Male" Monty Brown (former NFL guy, potential to be HUGE)
Chris Sabin
"The Fallen Angel" Christopher Daniels (Indie legend, incredible worker)
Elix Skipper (who once did a tightrope walk on TOP of a cage to give a guy an off-the-top huracanrana)
Gail Kim (Just signed)
Jeff Hardy
Jerry Lynn
Konnan
Petey Williams (has a finisher called the "Canadian Destroyer" which is basically a standing sunset flip piledriver, you have GOT to see it)
Raven
Rhino (former Rhyno from WWE & ECW)
Ron Killings
Sabu (still jumping off chairs, doing leg drops with the chair, and nobody throws chairs at people like Sabu)
Samoa Joe (the NEXT guaranteed legend)
Sean Waltman (former X-Pac) was a member of the roster but seems to have blown yet another huge opportunity
Sonjay Dutt
Sonny Siaki
Team 3-D (the former Dudleys)

plus quite a few more...they also bring in from time-to-time international guys such as Shocker and Jushin Liger.

Current Champions:
NWA Heavyweight Champion: Jeff Jarrett
NWA World Tag Team Champions: The Naturals (Chase Stevens and Andy Douglas)
TNA X-Division Champion: A.J. Styles


quote:
When did it start on Spike and when is it on?


The first show was last week. The new show is Saturday nights 10pm Central on Spike, replayed Monday nights after Ultimate Fighter.


Goliath - 10/7/2005 at 05:45 PM

Gordon Soley was the announcer for WTBS before they went nationwide...Don't miss it, BE THERE!!! We would go to the wrestling matches at Griffin-Barnesville Sports Palace...if memory serves, a big barn....they would also swing through Jackson occasionally...Bob Armstrong, Dusty Rhodes, The Assassin, Andre the Giant, I wish I could remember more of their names...would also always go to the matches in Shreveport, LA with my uncle...what a blast...always loved the old lady at ringside who would beat the bad guys with her shoe...


fast43 - 10/7/2005 at 05:48 PM

quote:
.always loved the old lady at ringside who would beat the bad guys with her shoe...


I think every arena, gym, or armory had one of those fans. Louisville had an old bald guy that wore overalls. He went every week. There was even a story about him in the paper when he passed away.


TopDroog - 10/7/2005 at 06:57 PM

Here you go, Bill, some memories for ya, I'm sure:

http://www.oldschool-wrestling.com/osw_photogallery.htm


croky - 10/7/2005 at 07:16 PM

Is that real blood?


Bhawk - 10/7/2005 at 07:17 PM

quote:
Is that real blood?



Yup. Always.


Libby - 10/7/2005 at 07:20 PM

quote:
Gordon Soley was the announcer for WTBS before they went nationwide...Don't miss it, BE THERE!!! We would go to the wrestling matches at Griffin-Barnesville Sports Palace...if memory serves, a big barn....they would also swing through Jackson occasionally...Bob Armstrong, Dusty Rhodes, The Assassin, Andre the Giant, I wish I could remember more of their names...would also always go to the matches in Shreveport, LA with my uncle...what a blast...always loved the old lady at ringside who would beat the bad guys with her shoe...


I can't remember all of them either, Goliath. Let's see, Wahoo McDaniel was one. Tommy Rich, you and I were probably teens when Tommy wrestled. Tommy 'Wildfire' Rich.

Daddy used to take his uncle to the Civic Center here in Atlanta, I think....could have been the Municipal Auditorium, I'd tag along. Daddy would make me hold his hand and stay right with him. He didn't fear my getting hurt by or viewing the wrestlers. His concern was the fans, lol! To say wrestling fans were rowdy is an understatement.

I do remember one wrestler in particular who was well known for touting the fans, Buzz Sawyer.

How many remember Magnum TA? I always liked him for the obvious reasons a woman would , however, his story is one of tragedy. He was a great wrestler, everybody's hero. He was a class act.


croky - 10/7/2005 at 07:26 PM

What happened to Magnum TA?
BHawk, you can probably come up with all the wrestlers
whose lives ended tragically.
I saw that dvd of Ultimate Warrior advertised.
What happened to him, besides roid rage.


Libby - 10/7/2005 at 07:38 PM

croky, MagnumTA had a terrible car crash just as he was really coming into his fame. He was paralyzed. He did walk again, but the lasting injuries ended his career, forcing retirement. I'll see if I can pull up an article on him.....

[Edited on 10/7/2005 by Libby]


Libby - 10/7/2005 at 07:42 PM

http://slam.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingBiosM/magnum_ta-can.html



fast43 - 10/7/2005 at 07:43 PM

Here's the best announcer Lance Russell


TopDroog - 10/7/2005 at 07:46 PM

quote:
What happened to Magnum TA?
BHawk, you can probably come up with all the wrestlers
whose lives ended tragically.
I saw that dvd of Ultimate Warrior advertised.
What happened to him, besides roid rage.




"Warrior," that's his legal name now, no first name, no last name, just "Warrior" is very pissed, and seems to be making a career out of suing Vince McMahon.

If you're interested, he has A LOT to say:

http://www.ultimatewarrior.com/09.27.05DVDII.htm

I though it was kind of funny the way he refers to Triple H as Mr. Stephanie McMahon.


fast43 - 10/7/2005 at 07:47 PM

Lance was a great interviewer. He did some classics with Jerry lawler

[Edited on 10/7/2005 by fast43]


Libby - 10/7/2005 at 07:48 PM

Bill, Goliath and I are about the same age, but he's older than me, ..... to us, Gordon Solie was the equivalent of Milo Hamilton, famous Atlanta Braves announcer back then! Solie was animated, reactionary and hilariously exaggerating. I used to love it when he'd act terrified of some of these wrestlers when they came out to be interviewed.

Solie was a show within himself! I miss him!


OldSchool - 10/7/2005 at 07:53 PM

The Dean of wrestling...


fast43 - 10/7/2005 at 07:54 PM

Libby I remember Gordon Sollie. He wasn't as good an actor as Lance was. Lances' expressions were priceless. Lance was a master at acting disgusted with the antics of the bad guys
Tommy Rich, I've got a video from about 76 or 77 of a VERY young Tommy Rich wrestling Jerry Lawler


OldSchool - 10/7/2005 at 08:01 PM

Tommy Rich-the youngest NWA world champion in history

I saw Magnum TA at an Express Lube here in Charlotte about 7 or 8 years ago,he drags one foot behind him when he walks .He had a sweet ride,I can't remember now what it was.He was dressed & looked like an old biker(which he is)


tigerman73 - 10/7/2005 at 08:10 PM

I loved watching Gordon, he'd give a really good disgusted look and then shake his head when one of the heels would start ranting and raving. The best of all time had to be when Mr. Wrestiling II and The Assassin had their televised debate, for Gordon to be able to sit there and keep a straight face while 2 guys in masks had a TV debate took some real talent. Of course the whole thing led into an attack on Wrestling II by both assassins and they took his mask. Thank goodness Wrestling I was there to save him!!! Great stuff.


Libby - 10/7/2005 at 08:14 PM

quote:
Tommy Rich-the youngest NWA world champion in history

I saw Magnum TA at an Express Lube here in Charlotte about 7 or 8 years ago,he drags one foot behind him when he walks .He had a sweet ride,I can't remember now what it was.He was dressed & looked like an old biker(which he is)


That's what I liked about him , OS...... the biker part. He was a good ole boy! I met him a couple times, he was just an all around super nice guy. I hated hearing about his accident.

Bill, I don't remember Lance, besides, we had to stop watching wrestling when Drew was young! ...talk about parental controls!


Bhawk - 10/7/2005 at 08:16 PM

quote:
Tommy Rich-the youngest NWA world champion in history


For a glorious four days...they pulled the plug on "Wildfire" awfully quickly...his feud with Buzz Sawyer was one of the best ever, and the "Last Battle of Atlanta" cage match at the Omni is still one of the best cage matches ever.

quote:
I saw Magnum TA at an Express Lube here in Charlotte about 7 or 8 years ago,he drags one foot behind him when he walks .He had a sweet ride,I can't remember now what it was.He was dressed & looked like an old biker(which he is)


Magnum T.A. (Terry Allen) man, what a sad story. They were ready to push him to the top with plans to put the belt on him after a long program with Flair. The "Best of Seven Series" with Nikita Koloff for the U.S. Title were some incredible matches. His car accident not only caused permanent damage to his legs but also affected his body's ability to rebuild muscle mass. He still makes appearances. When they did the Magnum tribute show shortly after his accident, when Dusty Rhodes walked out with his "mystery" partner, Nikita Koloff, creating the new "Superpowers" tag team, the reaction from the crowd was unforgettable.

Libby, that's a great picture of Magnum. That's the old Mid-South North American Championship belt.

quote:
"Warrior," that's his legal name now, no first name, no last name, just "Warrior" is very pissed, and seems to be making a career out of suing Vince McMahon.

If you're interested, he has A LOT to say:



Take Droog's advice and read it. The guy is absolutely insane. Check out his WarriorWeb site and read some of his extremist conservative political views...wow. The new WWE DVD, "The Self-Destruction of the Ultimate Warrior," is a burial of someone the likes of which wrestling has never seen before.

Gordon Solie, Lance Russell, if there's any old Mid-Atlantic fans out there, let's not forget Bob Caudle!




Bhawk - 10/7/2005 at 08:20 PM

quote:
Favorite wrestler ever!

That was one sick puppy

Coconut anyone?


When Piper hit Jimmy Snuka with that coconut on Piper's Pit, that is still one of the greatest heel moments of all time!


Libby - 10/7/2005 at 08:23 PM

Thanks for posting the piece from Warrior, Droogie.

Man, you guys are gonna get me hooked on this stuff again!

Ya welcome, BHawk, yep, that be the belt!


fast43 - 10/7/2005 at 08:36 PM

Another great heel moment.

Tojo Yamamoto beat up Tommy Richs' Mother


PeterNelson - 10/8/2005 at 12:37 AM

Some real wrestling



Genesis 32:22 The same night he got up and took his two wives, his two maids, and his eleven children, and crossed the ford of the Jabbok. 23 He took them and sent them across the stream, and likewise everything that he had.

24 Jacob was left alone, and a man wrestled with him until daybreak. 25 When the man saw that he did not prevail against Jacob, he struck him on the hip socket, and Jacob's hip was put out of joint as he wrestled with him. 26 Then he said, "Let me go, for the day is breaking." But Jacob said, "I will not let you go, unless you bless me."

27 So he said to him, "What is your name?" And he said, "Jacob." 28 Then the man said, "You shall no longer be called Jacob, but Israel, for you have striven with God and with humans and have prevailed."

29 Then Jacob asked him, "Please tell me your name." But he said, "Why is it that you ask my name?" And there he blessed him.

30 So Jacob called the place Peniel, saying, "For I have seen God face to face, and yet my life is preserved." 31 The sun rose upon him as he passed Penuel, limping because of his hip. 32 Therefore, to this day the Israelites do not eat the thigh muscle that is on the hip socket, because he struck Jacob on the hip socket at the thigh muscle.

http://www.ortzion.org/Jacob_wrestl.html
http://www.textweek.com/art/jacob_wrestling.htm


jim - 10/8/2005 at 01:34 AM

I haven't watched wrestling since about 2002, but I will say that Vince McMahon is a modern day PT Barnum. I grew up watching it on Saturday mornings in the 80's and there was nothing better than watching Nikolai Volkov stir the crowd into a frenzy of booing when he would sing the Russian National Anthem. I'm surprised Vinny Mac doesn't have a guy like the Iron Sheik out there stirring the crowd up with the Saudi national anthem or something like that.

A few random thoughts on wrestling:

Ivan Putski the Polish Hammer on one of the talking segments of the WWF with his "sausage tree." It was a plant he had that had sausages growing off of it.

The "I Quit" match pitting Mankind (perhaps my favorite wrestler of all time) versus The Rock. And they say wrestling isn't real.

Anything with Rowdy Roddy Piper is pretty much awesome too. He was totally out of his mind.

Stone Cold was pretty classic guy that hates his boss. Vinny Mac did some great acting in some of those confrontations.

Some of my favorite matches may have been Lou Albano versus Jimmy Snuka. What the hell did Albano have in face, bologna skins? What were those?



And is Kurt Angle's head getting bigger than Ken Griffey's head in the Simpsons episode when he drinks too much tonic? He has to be using the same head steroids as Barry Bonds.



Anyone see Beyond the Mat, pretty good documentary, probably one Vince doesn't want you to see about wrestling.


Bhawk - 10/8/2005 at 03:33 AM

quote:
I'm surprised Vinny Mac doesn't have a guy like the Iron Sheik out there stirring the crowd up with the Saudi national anthem or something like that.




What if I told you that there was a very recent storyline in the WWE with two guys, named Muhammad Hassan (wrestler, real name Mark Copani, an Italian fella) and Daivari (manager). The angle was that while Hassan was American, he hated American society becuase of their hypocrisy in the treatment of Muslim-Americans. His finisher was the camel clutch (ala The Iron Sheik - there was a small double-inside tribute here, The Iron Sheik's name is Khosrow Daivari). He had about a three-month undefeated streak on Raw, then was "drafted" to Smackdown.

Hassan was getting great heat in the beginning, with the boos, and the USA signs and chants and all. Daivari would yell and jabber in Persian (which of course everyone thought was Arabic). Hassan was kinda fizzling as he progressed, but they still had high hopes of building a big PPV match with Steve Austin.

Then, as they were building for an Undertaker-Hassan match for the next Smackdown PPV, they did an angle that aired on the same night as the London terrorist bombings where Hassan and eight other men dressed in black hoods, black long sleeve shirts and camo pants jumped Undertaker in the ring, gave the beatdown, then Hassan in a large center camera shot pulled the Undertaker back into the camel clutch postion and grinning wildly, did the throat-slash gesture across Taker's neck.

Ahem. Well, needless to say, the WWE caught some real serious, serious heat. Mainstream media condemations, UPN got a whole s**tload of grief.

That was the last night anyone ever saw Muhammad Hassan. He has since been released from the WWE and has no future plans to continue in pro wrestling. Daivari has been assigned to the WWE's brand new developmental federation, Deep South, that will be based out of Atlanta.

I make none of this up...this just happened this year. Watching the way the WWE does business is one of the most continually fascinating train wrecks one can ever see!


TopDroog - 10/8/2005 at 03:21 PM

I thought I read something about Hassan showing up at New Japan, but perhaps I'm mistaken.


WharfRat - 10/8/2005 at 03:23 PM

I thought the character was kinda tasteless anyway..


jim - 10/8/2005 at 04:07 PM

quote:
What if I told you that there was a very recent storyline in the WWE with two guys, named Muhammad Hassan (wrestler, real name Mark Copani, an Italian fella) and Daivari (manager). The angle was that while Hassan was American, he hated American society becuase of their hypocrisy in the treatment of Muslim-Americans. His finisher was the camel clutch (ala The Iron Sheik - there was a small double-inside tribute here, The Iron Sheik's name is Khosrow Daivari). He had about a three-month undefeated streak on Raw, then was "drafted" to Smackdown.

Hassan was getting great heat in the beginning, with the boos, and the USA signs and chants and all. Daivari would yell and jabber in Persian (which of course everyone thought was Arabic). Hassan was kinda fizzling as he progressed, but they still had high hopes of building a big PPV match with Steve Austin.

Then, as they were building for an Undertaker-Hassan match for the next Smackdown PPV, they did an angle that aired on the same night as the London terrorist bombings where Hassan and eight other men dressed in black hoods, black long sleeve shirts and camo pants jumped Undertaker in the ring, gave the beatdown, then Hassan in a large center camera shot pulled the Undertaker back into the camel clutch postion and grinning wildly, did the throat-slash gesture across Taker's neck.

Ahem. Well, needless to say, the WWE caught some real serious, serious heat. Mainstream media condemations, UPN got a whole s**tload of grief.

That was the last night anyone ever saw Muhammad Hassan. He has since been released from the WWE and has no future plans to continue in pro wrestling. Daivari has been assigned to the WWE's brand new developmental federation, Deep South, that will be based out of Atlanta.

I make none of this up...this just happened this year. Watching the way the WWE does business is one of the most continually fascinating train wrecks one can ever see!


Wow, thanks BHawk. That's unreal.


Like I said I stopped watching a few years ago when all WCW guys came into the WWE. PErsonally I think all the WWE guys don't have the mic skills the WWE guys had, like the Rock and Stone Cold. Afterall, its sports entertainment and I want to be entertained by things other that wrestling during a wrestling event.


quote:
Match 2-Val Venis vs. Murray Happer
Val does the usual gyrations shtick, much to the ladie?s delight, and my chagrin. Val gets a quick hip throw and a gyration taunt. Val also applies a side headlock and hits Murray with a shoulder-block. Val gets an arm choke, and a handstand arm-breaker, but his hold is released after a push from Happer. Happer then punches Venis in the corner, and applies a quick choke. Murray is booted, clotheslined, and back thrown down by an angered Venis, who is able to also hit a knee to the gut and a side Russian Leg Sweep. Murray?s attempt to fight back is quickly cancelled as Val hits the spinebuster and the token Money Shot for the cover.
Winner: Val Venis

Val gives his towel to a young lady, and up next is highlights from last week Regal/HHH match.


The above match is from about a year ago, is Murray Happer still wrestling? I believe he used to go by the name of Otto Scwantz in some wrestling league in the south. I went to school with him at Georgetown University, he was a pretty funny guy, seemed like the wrestling type.


WharfRat - 10/8/2005 at 04:57 PM

WHAT??

A wrestling thread with NO DIVA'S???


Well, OldSchool had one, but we wont discuss that




OldSchool - 10/8/2005 at 05:32 PM

quote:
WHAT??

A wrestling thread with NO DIVA'S???


Well, OldSchool had one, but we wont discuss that





I swear I don't know how that naked pic of Torrie Wilson got into my post Wharfrat!I know I didn't do it,I'm not sure if nudity is allowed on this site,and I would certainly never do anything illegal or against the rules man .(But Billy Kidman is sure 1 lucky SOB)

quote:
Then, as they were building for an Undertaker-Hassan match for the next Smackdown PPV, they did an angle that aired on the same night as the London terrorist bombings where Hassan and eight other men dressed in black hoods, black long sleeve shirts and camo pants jumped Undertaker in the ring, gave the beatdown, then Hassan in a large center camera shot pulled the Undertaker back into the camel clutch postion and grinning wildly, did the throat-slash gesture across Taker's neck.


That was something I really had a problem with.I usually take all the crap in wrestling that lots of people get up in arms about with a grain of salt,but this I took exception with-that wasn't the first time they had Hassan do the mock throat-slash.Meanwhile several video tapes of Americans being murdered in that way had been recently broadcast worldwide.I didn't mind the characters of Hassan & Daivari in general,but that act in particular I found revolting.Sometimes old Vinnie Mac just doesn't know where to draw the line!




Bhawk - 10/8/2005 at 11:35 PM

The second TNA Impact show is tonight on Spike at 11pm Eastern. (10 Central) <--(I know I really didn't have to type that, but, I'm feeling kinda goofy today well, that and I'm headed out to see the North Mississippi Allstars tonight, lets just say my night has already begun )

Anyway, tonights matches:

*Konnan & Ron Killings & B.G. James vs. Eric Young & A-1 & Bobby Roode
*Christopher Daniels vs. Austin Aries vs. Matt Bentley
*Sonny Siaki vs. Abyss
*Team 3-D vs. Chris Harris & James Storm

Apparently the three-way is really good.

Have a great Saturday night everybody!


fast43 - 10/10/2005 at 02:49 AM

When we could no longer smoke in Louisville Gardens we moved to seats by the heels' dressing rooms so we could yell at them. Now don't get me wrong I like the heels if it weren't for the bad guys wrestling would be boring. There's nothing worse than a "scientific match". That's beer & restroom time.

One night we were sitting there by the dressing room sitting in the section by the dressing room door the late Eddie "Hot Stuff" Gilbert was sitting there eating nachos. I don't remember what the match was but his brother Doug Gilbert may been in the match. Eddie was sitting there eating his nachos when his cue came. He set his nachos down ran into the ring and interfered. Then ran back to seat and finished his nachos.


Peachypetewi - 10/10/2005 at 03:42 AM

I was about 10 or 11 is when I came to the realization wrestling wasn't on the up and up. The reason was I was at Mitchell Field in Milwaukee with my mom picking up my sister up from a flight back from Phoenix and off another plane from Minneapolis steps all the AWA wrestlers together, good guys and bad guys Superstar Billy Graham, Black Jack Lanza, Larry Hennig, Cowboy Bill Watts, Bobby Heenan, Vern Gagne, Maddog Vachon, The Crusher, all talking, yukking it up and joking and walking together. They had a match that night at the Milwaukee Auditorium. My sister who was 18-19 at the time walks up to them starts flirting and talking to them all and we wind up talking to them all for 5-10 minutes and I walked away with about 10 autographs , it was very cool. The light bulb finally went on.


Goliath - 10/10/2005 at 01:15 PM

quote:
at Mitchell Field in Milwaukee



At the airport in Milwaukee, they wouldn't let us board the plane at all, they said we looked suspicious, but I think they like to pick on me and Paul....


Goliath - 10/10/2005 at 01:19 PM

I remember going to some match, and there was quite a dramatic scene, lots of hollering and histrionics, etc..on the ay home we stopped somewhere to eat and ran right into the same two guys who had just put on the scene, eating together and having a good ol time...

Cowboy Bill Watts..hell yeah..I like this thread....


Bhawk - 10/10/2005 at 06:23 PM

Last night's PPV results...from what I've read, this wasn't worth 35 cents, let alone 35 dollars.

quote:
WWE Presents No Mercy
Smackdown! Brand pay-per-view
Match Results

Dark match: William Regal & Paul Birchill b Brian Kendrick & Paul London

Road Warrior Animal, John Heidenreich and Christy Hemme b MNM & Melina when Hemme and Animal gave the Doomsday Device to Melina

Bobby Lashley b Simon Dean. Simon said he'd eat 20 cheeseburgers if he lost. This was a recurring theme throughout the show.

Chris Benoit retained the U.S. Title in a four-way with Booker T, Christian and Orlando Jordan when Christian tapped out to the crossface. Sharmell was pitching a fit and is apparently going to turn heel on her own husband.

Ken Kennedy b Bob Holly. Sylvain Grenier came in and attacked Holly. Gee, what a great feud to look forward to

JBL b Rey Mysterio clean after a Clothesline from Hell

The Ortons b Undertaker in a casket match. Undertaker put Bob out with a triangle and in the casket. After giving Randy a last ride and opening the casket to put Randy in, Bob sprayed him with a fire extinguisher. Randy hit the RKO, but Undertaker still recovered before the casket lid shut. Undertaker and Randy were both in the casket when the lid shut and Bob was out. They opened the lid and Taker was about to choke slam Randy when Bob distracted him and Randy clocked Undertaker with a chair. They shut the lid so the Ortons won. Randy poured gasoline all over the casket, as in a whole tank of gasoline and then they set the casket on fire.

Juventud Guerrera is the new Crusierweight champ after pinning Nunzio

Simon Dean just ate his 19th cheeseburger and threw up.

Batista b Eddie Guerrero. The match told a story, which was that Eddie constantly teased used objects but every time voluntarily gave it up. Mostly a scientific match with Batista winning clean with a spinebuster. Well below the usual WWE main event standard. Crowd was split. Lots of cheers for Guerrero, particularly as the match wore on Batista was getting booed more and more. The key point was when Guerrero had the chance to use a chair and didn't, the people booed him for not using the chair. The two shook hands at the end and people booed the handshake.


fast43 - 10/10/2005 at 06:29 PM

I wouldn't spend money on a WWE show.

I just don't like the direction that wrestling has gone


Bhawk - 10/10/2005 at 06:33 PM

Incidentally, for those who haven't heard, there will be something quite different tonight if you watch Raw, Jim Ross is no longer an announcer on the TV show. He will be doing the "Ross Report" and also calling matches on WWE.com.


TopDroog - 10/10/2005 at 08:45 PM

I like that new Bob Lashley dude, I remember the first time he beat the crap out of Simon. That was hilarious. It's obvious I haven't watched Smackdown in a while, I don't think I recognized half those names.

I'll get a PPV every now and then if Jr. has been particularly good w/keeping up with homework, chores, etc. - probably pick a Raw or combined show over a Smackdown show, though. As Booker T said when he first migrated, Smackdown's the minor leagues.


TopDroog - 10/11/2005 at 01:28 PM

Okay fellas, I'm a bit psyched.

When my mom learned how into wrestling my 11-year-old was, she offered to buy tickets for our family to the next WWE appearance in Chicago. Well, we've been patiently checking the site and ticketmaster etc., and have seen no mention of any Chicago dates.

Until last night, that is, when we see it announced that WRESTLE-FRICKING-MANIA will be in Chicago this Spring! Woo-Woo! Jr., the wife and I will be going to Wrestlemania XXII.

Cool beans. Now, tickets go on sale this Saturday, 10/15, at 10:00 central time. I see there's a presale starting at 9:00.

Anybody know how to get in on that presale? Bhawk, perhaps?

Thanks.


Bhawk - 10/11/2005 at 01:54 PM

quote:
Anybody know how to get in on that presale? Bhawk, perhaps?




How'd you guess? There was a presale email you had to send some months ago. I just got the email yesterday saying that the presale passwords will be emailed tomorrow. I'll happily pass it along to ya...

Concerning Mania in Chicago, Here's how it will go...The WWE Hall of Fame Ceremony will be the Saturday night before Mania at the Rosemont Theater. Tickets last year were between $20-$45. Many of us are already hoping, however, that the Ring of Honor promotion (East Coast based, their shows are incredible, they do lots of wrestling with lots of old-school match psychology and very little storylines) will run a show that night in Chicago Ridge, a regular stop for them.

Wrestlemania 22 will be at the Allstate Arena Sunday, April 22, 2006. The ticket pricing structure is as follows: $750, $300, $200, $100, $75 and $40. There is no page on Ticketmaster as of yet, and, WWE being WWE, we have no idea exactly what price ranges will be available in the presale.

There will be a Raw taping the next night at the Allstate Arena. We were hoping to get a double taping, however, Smackdown that week will be taped in Indianapolis on Tuesday.

We've already got our reservations at the Residence Inn O'Hare...we just need the tickets!

Anybody catch Raw last night? Wow. The McMahons are back in active roles. What is this, 1999? Also just wonderful of Hunter McMahon burying Ric Flair and the IC Title all in one fell swoop. Doink the Clown? Jesus, are they going backwards, or what?


TopDroog - 10/11/2005 at 02:37 PM

Thanks, I appreciate that. I'd like to hear more about this thing in Chicago Ridge. That's just a couple miles from my old neighborhood (where my mom still lives). Are you local, or will you be travelling in?


Bhawk - 10/11/2005 at 02:57 PM

quote:
Thanks, I appreciate that. I'd like to hear more about this thing in Chicago Ridge. That's just a couple miles from my old neighborhood (where my mom still lives). Are you local, or will you be travelling in?




We won't know about ROH having a show until probably February or so. They do have an upcoming event in Chicago Ridge November 5th...I have not seen this promotion live but I have seen several DVDs. If you are a fan of actual wrestling, do whatever you can to go see these guys.
Here's their event link: http://www.rohwrestling.com/upcomingevents.asp?intCategoryID=2&intArtic leID=34

I'm in Kansas City now, (my hometown) but I lived in Chicago from 1999-2004. (Riverside for a year, North Side/Irving Park & Pulaski for 2 years, Brookfield for 2 years) and my wife's family is all still there as well as my brother...so Chicago will always be my "adopted" hometown.


TopDroog - 10/11/2005 at 04:40 PM

I think I'll go check out that ROH thing in November. I see AJ Stiles is going to be there. My son's a big fan of his (just bought the action figure yesterday ). That'll be a nice lead-in to the big surprise in April. Thanks for the heads-up on that.

Peace.


croky - 10/11/2005 at 05:05 PM

Bhawk,
any thought on why/how that whole
HHH/Flair thing came to be?
Thought it was pretty cool all of the guys
giving him crap when he came in the arena.


Bhawk - 10/11/2005 at 05:21 PM

quote:
Bhawk,
any thought on why/how that whole
HHH/Flair thing came to be?




Hunter had just wanted to do one more angle with Flair. He wasn't lying when he said that he worshipped the ground Flair walked on, his two biggest idols are Flair and Harley Race. You'll notice that he still takes alot from Race's old style. They've also kicked around reforming a new Evolution, With HHH, Chris Masters, Carlito and Tyson Tomko.

Of course, HHH will come out on top in the end. (He will make sure of that!) Flair is so over as a face right now that this feud will generate alot of heat. Plus, it provides the just right amount of filler time before they begin the HHH-Cena program that will build all the way to Mania, which, given that HHH has done the job the last two Mania main events, I'm sure that Mania will be all about HHH and him winning the title.

But, hey, the WWE is always all about HHH.


TopDroog - 10/11/2005 at 05:48 PM

quote:
given that HHH has done the job the last two Mania main events, I'm sure that Mania will be all about HHH and him winning the title.




Say it ain't so! I hate triple HHH (yeah, I know I'm supposed to, but it comes easily to me ).

Think we're seeing a Cena/Big Show partnership developing?


OldSchool - 10/11/2005 at 07:30 PM

Anyone see HHH get punked?Pretty funny.I've never liked him either(never loved to hate him,just don't like the sumbitch period) & thought he was overated,cruddy mic skills,still,got to admit he looked good in ring last week,a couple of nice high knees,spinebusters & clotheslines.

Bhawk/and or TD,got a question;I haven't been to Chicago since i saw the Dead there in '93,is the Rosemont Theatre the old Rosemont Horizons,or is that the Allstate Arena?If so what is the Rosemont theatre?Educate me please...



[Edited on 10/11/2005 by OldSchool]


Bhawk - 10/11/2005 at 07:32 PM

quote:
Bhawk/and or TG,got a question;I haven't been to Chicago since i saw the Dead there in '93,is the Rosemont Theatre the old Rosemont Horizons,or is that the Allstate Arena?If so what is the Rosemont theatre?Educate me please...


The Allstate Arena is the old Rosemont Horizon. The Rosemont Theater is on River Road across the street from the Convention Center.

Droog, I got that right, right?


Bhawk - 10/11/2005 at 07:37 PM

quote:
Anyone see HHH get punked?Pretty funny.I've never liked him either(never loved to hate him,just don't like the sumbitch period) & thought he was overated,cruddy mic skills,still,got to admit he looked good in ring last week,a couple of nice high knees,spinebusters & clotheslines.



I hate the guy, but, he can work for sure. The two things that bug me the most about him are:

1. The fact that he's married to Stephanie and he consistently denies that that has anything to do with creative decisions.

2. The fact that he's gotten his huge push after Rock and Stone Cold have long gone, so he has no problem carrying himself any way he wants, and, besides, being a good heel is in many ways easier than being a good face simply because you don't need to count on charisma for crowd approval.

3. The fact that the guy is unable to cut a promo shorter than 45 minutes.

4. The fact that Raw is "The HHH Show."

Oh, my that's four things...


TopDroog - 10/11/2005 at 07:53 PM

quote:
quote:
Bhawk/and or TG,got a question;I haven't been to Chicago since i saw the Dead there in '93,is the Rosemont Theatre the old Rosemont Horizons,or is that the Allstate Arena?If so what is the Rosemont theatre?Educate me please...


The Allstate Arena is the old Rosemont Horizon. The Rosemont Theater is on River Road across the street from the Convention Center.

Droog, I got that right, right?


Yes. The Rosemont Theater was built right around the time the Rosemont Horizon became the All-State Arena. In fact, it was initially billed as the "New" Rosemont Theater. I think it sits 4200 or 4400 or something like that. The ABB have played there the last two years.


WharfRat - 10/11/2005 at 08:57 PM

Guess I am the only HHH guy around here then huh?


croky - 10/11/2005 at 09:03 PM

quote:
Guess I am the only HHH guy around here then huh?


Figures.


fast43 - 10/11/2005 at 09:33 PM

quote:
being a good heel is in many ways easier than being a good face simply because you don't need to count on charisma for crowd approval.




It may be easier to be a heel these days I don't know. But back when I was watching wrestling you had to be able to talk some sh!t. Get the fans riled up. They would do the interviews on the saturday TV show promoting the weeks' matches. Their's a skill to being good with the interview. It's one of the things that I think is lacking in wrestling today.

Nothing like hearing Jerry Lawler talk about his Southern Heavyweight Title belt. " It's my belt, it's always been my belt, and it's always gonna be my belt".

Another of my Lawler favorites. " I'm gonna go through Bill Dundee like Exlax through a widow woman".


Bhawk - 10/13/2005 at 01:31 AM

Droog, check your pm's.


TopDroog - 10/13/2005 at 02:24 PM

Thanks, check yours. I have a question for you.


TopDroog - 10/14/2005 at 02:15 PM

Okay, that was quick. I didn't jump on the presale, for the reasons I explained yesterday, but I did experiment a bit. I doubt if there were any $40 or $75 tickets in the presale at all. The best I did (if I had been planning on making a purchase), would have been a single in section 2 for $300, or a single in section 112 for $200.

It seemed it didn't start until about 9:05, and by 9:18, not even a single in any section was available. So what's that, 13 minutes? Not too bad.

I'm pretty confident I'll be able to score three cheapies tomorrow.

How did you do, Bhawk?


tigerman73 - 10/14/2005 at 07:36 PM

I'm gonna jump in on the HHH discussion and disagree that he can work. What ability he had in the ring is long gone since his leg injury a few years ago and also his steroid or HGH usage also. He's too big and can't move and really isn't good at doing anything except the typical WWE kick, punch and stomp. What sets him apart from the other stiffs they have "wresting" for them is his ability to tie in the use his knee in his offense. He's gotten where he is today by being very good at the political end of the business and by getting hitched to the bosses' daughter (kinda like another mega overrated stiff in wrestling's past one Larry Zybysco who was married to Verne Gagne daughter). I doubt very seriously he has done much to ever sell tickets or PPV buys since his biggest matches were against the biggest stars of the late 90's. Until Austin and Foley and Rock started to fade out due to injuries and acting and whatelse, he was playing 2nd fiddle to the big stars. He has in the past and will continue to undercut any new stars that might be trying to break thru (the same as the 800 year old Undertaker) in order to keep his spot at the top of the roster as an elite talent when his best days are 5 years behind him. I would imagine if one were to take a look at their ratings and PPV buyrates and ticket sales, when the big 3 mentioned above left, all the above went down and w/ HHH on top they aren't going to come up because people don't like him as either a face or a heel. Give me a Ole Anderson w/ a up to date moveset and I'll show you somebody that can put some rears in the seats.

[Edited on 10/14/2005 by tigerman73]


OldSchool - 10/14/2005 at 11:36 PM

Ole Anderson,lol.If you could get him up out of the rocking chair.Him & Arn could form the Minnesota Rockingchair Crew


TopDroog - 10/15/2005 at 03:25 PM

Sold out.

I started hitting ticketmaster 2 minutes before the sale started, and didn't even get to a "find tickets" page until about 5 after 10:00. Then, nothing. My guess is that EVERY ticket was taken by brokers and special promotions. Either that, or the presale wasn't limited in any way, and everything went yesterday. Who knows.

The good news is that I got fairly good seats for RAW the following night. I've always thoght the RAW's the night after a PPV were always pretty good.

Peace.

[Edited on 10/15/2005 by TopDroog]


Bhawk - 10/15/2005 at 04:22 PM

quote:
How did you do, Bhawk?


Well, for me, the presale was an unmitigated disater, the details of which I don't even want to get into.


But, hey! I'm going to WrestleMania! The WWE is already claiming that it sold out in two minutes, well, I got tickets from probably around 10:04 to 10:10.

I ended up getting a pair in sec. 214 at $100, then I also got a single, then a buddy who was on the phone with me and trying at the same time got two singles...which is really cool because there are five of us going...we got very lucky! Got Raw tickets too. Haven't decided on the Hall of Fame ceremony yet.


bradfordg. - 10/15/2005 at 11:31 PM

quote:
quote:
.always loved the old lady at ringside who would beat the bad guys with her shoe...


I remember being about 11 or 12 and saw Lord Alfred Hayes vs. Andre The Giant in '74 or '75. There was an eldery woman at ringside every Monday night when I would go. And this was for the NWA Title if memory serves me right. Anyway, Hayes had racked Andre and was prancing aroung the ring when this woman got out of her chair,waved the Lord over,and as he stuck his foce down she just slapped the hell out of him. Told the man he was a mother f***er and then flipped him off. Hayes was stunned, I mean what could you do?

Years later when I saw Stone Cold flipping the bird at McMahon I just thought of this lady adn always wondered,was she Stone Cold's grandmother and did she live in Kansas?

Cool thread,reminded me of the old days here in Kansas when every Monday night we'd hit the convention center and see people like Harley Race, Alfred Hayes, Pat O'Conner and the ones that J.R. now calls the ledgends of the "business".

The old card that was posted had a name on it that says Steve Regal,now William Regal in WWE.

TNA is the most exciting of the "major" wresteling brands out there. Jeff Jarret DOES suck but A.J. Styles, Sabu, Petey Williams and Chris Sabin & Christopher Danials make it worth catching. You couldn't pay me enough to do what these guys do.

Favorite match of all time though was the Hell In A Cell match between Mick Foley & the Undertaker. Broken bones, teeth, thumbtacks, throwing a man off a 16 foot steel structure to the floor. Watch the replays a few feet off and Foley would gone splat on the concrete.


TopDroog - 10/19/2005 at 03:27 AM

Good story. I watch TNA, but I'm not really getting much out of an hour a week. I think I've watched it four times, and I don't think I've seen A.J. Styles yet.


PeterNelson - 10/19/2005 at 01:39 PM

quote:
Guess I am the only HHH guy around here then huh?


Bhawk - 10/19/2005 at 08:45 PM

Hey Droog, both Cowboy Bill Watts and Jim Cornette will be at the Ring of Honor show in Chicago Ridge...


TopDroog - 10/19/2005 at 09:32 PM

Sounds good. I plan to attend. I just need to find some money.

Got any?


Bhawk - 10/19/2005 at 09:34 PM

Nope, spent it all on Powerball tickets at lunch today!


Bhawk - 10/19/2005 at 09:42 PM

quote:
I doubt very seriously he has done much to ever sell tickets or PPV buys since his biggest matches were against the biggest stars of the late 90's.


Actually, I did some research on the former Terra Ryzin and his effect on buyrates. Some things that stood out were:

***His return from injury on the 2002 Royal Rumble drew 670,000 buys, the highest non-Mania buyrate ever.

***All of the PPVs both late last year and early this year with main events involving the HHH-Batista build to Mania (the best storyline build in recent memory) all exceeded WWE forecasts.

***WrestleMania 21 was the highest-grossing pro wrestling event in history, in terms of buyrate, merchandise sales and live gate. Over 1 million PPV buys. He was indeed in the main event.

I still can't stand the guy, and alot of the things you said about him are true, but he has left his own mark on the business.




On a kind of related matter, did everyone see Flair's promo on Monday? I've seen alot of blood, but, man, that was nuts. What did he use to blade with before he came out? A butcher knife?


Bhawk - 10/19/2005 at 09:51 PM

One of the things I've really loved about wrestling over the years is the belts. I'm a complete "belt mark." I just love the things, Don't know why.

Anyway, I thought I'd pass along some pictures of a new belt that is just beautiful. After the passing of Shinya Hashimoto, they buried him with the IWGP (International Wrestling Grand Prix) belt for which he was synonymous. The IWGP began as a New Japan tournament in the 80's, and then grew into a full-time competitive title.

The "King of Belts," Reggie Parks, made the new IWGP belt that was won two weeks ago by Brock Lesnar. This thing is a complete work of art, and contains the names of all the past champions on the sideplates, except for the first IWGP winner, Hulk Hogan. Antonio Inoki made it very clear that he did not want Hogan's name on it. Anyway, here it is:





fast43 - 10/19/2005 at 11:44 PM

quote:
Hey Droog, both Cowboy Bill Watts and Jim Cornette will be at the Ring of Honor show in Chicago Ridge...


Hometown connection there. Jimmy Cornette went to my high school and Eric Watts was the quarterback for the University of louisville


Bhawk - 10/20/2005 at 06:19 PM

quote:
I watch TNA, but I'm not really getting much out of an hour a week.


Spike is giving them a two hour show on 11/3 and considering giving them two hours on a regular basis. That should help tremendously.

The TNA PPV this Sunday should be awfully darned good.


Bhawk - 11/1/2005 at 02:04 PM

Who else had the godawful luck to sit through Raw last night?

God, that was wretched.


croky - 11/1/2005 at 02:45 PM

quote:
Who else had the godawful luck to sit through Raw last night?

God, that was wretched.



What happened or didn't happen.
How was that TNA PPV?

The McMahon's are getting a little out of control.


Bhawk - 11/1/2005 at 03:07 PM

quote:
What happened or didn't happen.




Okay...let's see. Tonight is Taboo Tuesday. The card for this PPV is complete garbage from top to bottom. If you haven't heard about the Jim Ross saga, (including the skit last week by Vince that was actually worse than the Katie Vick angle) Stone Cold Steve Austin was to wrestle Jonathan Coachman at Taboo Tuesday. If Austin won, JR gets his Raw announcing job back. If Austin loses, he gets fired. Well, apparently they actually asked Austin to do the job to Jonathan Coachman. Try and wrap your head around that one. I sure can't. Austin actually walked out of the meeting. So, last night on Raw, Coach comes to the ring and confesses that he is planning on bringing someone with him to Taboo Tuesday and, out walks, Goldust. Yup. Goldust. Vince comes out and announces that Austin has been in an "accident" and will not be at Taboo Tuesday. Vince has someone from the Smackdown side to take Austins place, which is, of course. Funaki. Yup. Wait, It gets better. Coach and Goldy beatdown Funaki and Vince says there's someone else from SD! that wants in, and out walks Batista. Batista comes to the ring and starts to whup some a** when out comes...Vader. Yup. Vader. A 48-year old morbidly obese Vader, who actually beats down Batista, the World Heavyweight Champion.

They actually made a Divas segment boring, and this was the modeling act for the outfits they would wrestle in on the PPV. In a related note, Torrie Wilson has been fired from the WWE.

John Cena and HBK were in the main event, ending with a run-in by Kurt Angle. The boos for Cena are getting louder every week. Too many people have now realized the guy is a truly awful worker.

Oh, and Rob Conway was given a beatdown by Hacksaw Jim Duggan, Kamala, Jimmy Snuka and Jerry Lawler.

Triple H beat Viscera. There's a matchup. HHH wrestles Flair in a cage tonight. They could have gotten 6 months out of a Flair-HHH feud, instead they are hotshotting it.

Sigh.


quote:
How was that TNA PPV?



Really, really, really good. Rhino beat Jeff Jarrett for the NWA Heavyweight Title, AJ Styles and Christopher Daniels had a phenominal Ironman match, Samoa Joe vs. Jushin Liger was short but good, and the Ultimate X was really good until the end. All in all, they are headed in a good direction. Their two hour show on Spike this Thursday should be very good, even if Jarrett will probably win the belt back from Rhino. In TNA though, the X Division Title means alot more.



quote:
The McMahon's are getting a little out of control.


That's a good way to put it. It is becoming more and more clear that they have absolutely no idea what their audience wants to see.


croky - 11/1/2005 at 03:36 PM

More questions:
Who's Funaki?
Why did Torrie get fired?

Cena is garbage.
Where's the Rock?

He's the only guy I can see saving WWE.
Unless all the Divas do a porn together.


Bhawk - 11/1/2005 at 04:25 PM

quote:
Who's Funaki?



Funaki? He's Smackdown #1 announcer!



quote:
Why did Torrie get fired?


Too old. By WWE standards.

quote:
Where's the Rock?



Vince let his contract expire earlier this year and didn't renew him. Amicable split, still very friendly. Rock is 100% focused on movies.


croky - 11/1/2005 at 04:46 PM

quote:
quote:
Who's Funaki?



Funaki? He's Smackdown #1 announcer!



quote:
Why did Torrie get fired?


Too old. By WWE standards.

quote:
Where's the Rock?



Vince let his contract expire earlier this year and didn't renew him. Amicable split, still very friendly. Rock is 100% focused on movies.



Torrie too old?
That's crazy.
How much $$$ do you think Diva merchandise
generates for WWE?


TopDroog - 11/1/2005 at 06:10 PM

At my house on Monday nights, I get home about 6, run any necessary errands, do something for dinner, and we're all in front of the TV at 8:00 with snacks and drinks.

For three weeks in a row now, I've fallen asleep by around 8:45.


Bhawk - 11/1/2005 at 06:19 PM

quote:
How much $$$ do you think Diva merchandise
generates for WWE?



Sizeable, but not as much when compared to their other revenue streams.


Droog, you stay awake long enough last week to see Vince pulling objects out of JR's "a*s" skit?


TopDroog - 11/1/2005 at 06:21 PM

Yes. If there's a list of all-time lows for that company, then that segment belongs on it.


Bhawk - 11/1/2005 at 09:25 PM

AWESOME NEWS!!!!!!

quote:
Joey Styles was flown out of nowhere to San Diego to meet with Vince McMahon and Kevin Dunn today about taking over as the lead announcer on Raw, and he may debut on tonight's PPV. This is an amazing about-face, because just a few days ago the office feeling on Styles was that they wanted nothing to do with him.

The new feeling is they have to drop the Jim Ross storyline because they realized they have no way out of it. Jim Ross' job is not on the line in tonight's match with Batista vs. Coachman. The feeling is the company needs to move on from Ross, that Coachman simply can't handle the job after his performance last night nor is the idea of a heel play-by-play guy, a few days ago touted as a new novel approach to TV, one that can work long-term. Styles is now believed by the company to be the only person that fans may accept in the Ross chair without a significant backlash.


TopDroog - 11/1/2005 at 10:26 PM

#1, where do you get all this stuff?

#2, Aren't "heel" play-by-play guys quite commonplace? Lawler plays the role himself, on occasion, and I used to LOVE Jesse the Body giving McMahon crap all the time when they announced together in the 80's.


Bhawk - 11/1/2005 at 10:54 PM

quote:
#1, where do you get all this stuff?


I've been wondering when someone would ask me that! I've been a subscriber to the Wrestling Observer Newsletter that is written by a man named Dave Meltzer for quite a long time now. I was first turned on to it by a friend of mine in Chicago who used to be the ring announcer for WCW shows at the Rosemont Horizon. The Observer is the gold standard of industry publications and is the one most read backstage by those in the business. There is another highly regarded publication, the Pro Wrestling Torch, that has been around for awhile as well, but there is no one more informed or connected than Dave. Anything I cut and paste is from his website, and alot of the other things I get from being a subscriber to the newsletter. He also has a weekly radio show on Sirius.

quote:
#2, Aren't "heel" play-by-play guys quite commonplace? Lawler plays the role himself, on occasion, and I used to LOVE Jesse the Body giving McMahon crap all the time when they announced together in the 80's.



Heel color commentators have always been a standard. Booby Heenan comes to mind as well. Heel play-by-play was an experiment that was simply too annoying to explore further.


http://www.wrestlingobserver.com/wo/

[Edited on 11/1/2005 by Bhawk]


croky - 11/1/2005 at 11:01 PM

THAT link didn't work Bhawk.
At least for me anyway.


Bhawk - 11/1/2005 at 11:37 PM

Whoopsie! I've edited the original post. It should work now, I moved it to the bottom.


croky - 11/1/2005 at 11:38 PM

quote:
Whoopsie! I've edited the original post. It should work now, I moved it to the bottom.



i FOUND IT.
Pretty interesting stuff.
I think Taboo Tuesday is going to be bad.


reynoldoblues - 11/2/2005 at 01:57 AM

1st time post here on The Wrestling Thread. I've been watching since the days of my grandparents yelling at the tv in the early 60's...Hard to believe sometimes it's still going. I just wanted to through a few observations from my cauiflower brain after watching all of these decades.
1. The very latest WWE is becoming a cartoon. I had a hint of it leading up to last nights show, but bringing out Vader was the final straw. It would be likened to the latest Batman movie adding Blam, Pow, Crunch etc to the screen. Please Vince, there are other ways to include the legends. And using May and the Fabulous Muola (sorry, I'm sure the spelling is bad) as "divas" and actually having to see May's bra a few weeks ago was a little more than necessary. Believe me, I like the colorful characters, but some of the stuff is over the top.
2. Too much soap opera lately. Let's quit all of the talking, and get to some wrestling.
3. HHH - Go away. No one cares anymore.
4. Speaking of HHH...the level of blood coming out of Ric Flair when they moved to USA was unreal. The problem with that "scene", and many others lately, is they don't know when to let it go. I lost interest when it kept going, and going, and going. Vince should take a page from any Hitchcock movie...sometimes not seeing it is more powerful than having it shoved into our eyeballs.
5. The skits lately have been hokey. The JR hospital skit was not funny, and way over the top.

Maybe I'm just nostalgic when I long for the Chief Jay Strongbow dance just before he finishes off the opponent. Or when Sting would appear from the sky. Remember the battles of Samartino and Zabizco? And who will ever replace the green tongue and complete madness of George the Animal. The days of the NWO were cool, until the Hulkster painted on his 5 oclock shadow. Finally, the heck with Coach. Where's Mean Gene when you need him...

I agree with a previous poster...the McMahons have no idea what the fans want. Go back to the beginning and back to the action. Yes, those were also cartoonish. But they were fun cartoons. And the storylines didn't drag on and on. They built up the rivalry, had the match, and moved onto the next adventure. Lately, it's the same old matches over several ppv's. Maybe there is the problem. It's all about the money of the big events.

Shape up, or move to the cartoon network!


WharfRat - 11/2/2005 at 02:10 AM

Torri is FIRED???


TopDroog - 11/2/2005 at 04:29 AM

quote:

Heel color commentators have always been a standard. Booby Heenan comes to mind as well. Heel play-by-play was an experiment that was simply too annoying to explore further.


Ah, I gotcha.


fast43 - 11/2/2005 at 08:41 AM

quote:
quote:

Heel color commentators have always been a standard. Booby Heenan comes to mind as well. Heel play-by-play was an experiment that was simply too annoying to explore further.


Ah, I gotcha.


That wasn't always the case. The old school territorial wrestling didn't have heel anouncers. In the old Memphis wrestling for example the announcers Lance Russell & Dave Brown were the butt of the heels jokes during the interviews. They just called the matches and conducted interviews. A heel "color commomtator is relatively new. One of the many things that has ruined wrestling today.

You young guys just don't know what you missed in the old days


croky - 11/2/2005 at 06:00 PM

Any Taboo Tuesday reports?


WharfRat - 11/2/2005 at 06:03 PM

WoooHooooo

Courtesy of WWE.com...

Torrie has a message for her fans
Nov. 1, 2005

Upon returning to the United States from a recent WWE tour of Austraila, Torrie Wilson went directly home to attend to some personal issues. Almost immediately, unsubstantiated rumors and speculation were running rampant about Torrie being fired or released from WWE.

“I’ve gotten so many messages from people telling me they want to help me find work. I had to call the office and ask them if they forgot to fire me,” joked Torrie. “I’m very glad to say that I am not fired, and I will be back as soon as I can.”

When asked about the nature of the issues, Torrie said that it was involving a family member and she did not want to get into it at this point in time.

“I’m really sorry I couldn’t make it to the Taboo Tuesday pay-per-view, but I promise I’ll make it up to the fans somehow. It was weird not being a part of RAW Monday night. I’ll be back as soon as possible.”


WharfRat - 11/2/2005 at 06:07 PM

quote:
Any Taboo Tuesday reports?


WWE Taboo Tuesday - Quick Match Results

- Rey Mysterio and Matt Hardy def. Chris Masters and Snitsky
- Jimmy Snuka and Eugene def. Rob Conway and Tyson Tomko
- Mankind def. Carlito
- Tag Titles: Kane and The Big Show def. Lance Cade and Trevor Murdoch to win the titles
- Street Fight: Batista def. The Coach
- Fulfil Your Fantasy Battle Royal: Trish Stratus wins to retain
- Steel Cage: Ric Flair def. Triple H to retain the Intercontinental Title
- WWE Title: John Cena def. Shawn Michaels and Kurt Angle to


Bhawk - 11/3/2005 at 09:49 PM

If you want to check out TNA, tonight is the night! This should be one stellar two hour show, especially Styles/Aries/Dutt vs Joe/Daniels/Shelley and an Ultimate X!

*Lance Hoyt & Jeff Hardy & Sabu vs. Simon Diamond & Elix Skipper & David Young
*Monty Brown vs. Brian Gamble in an NFL vs. RollerJam challenge(actually just a quick match)
*A.J. Styles & Austin Aries & Sonjay Dutt vs. Samoa Joe & Christopher Daniels & Alex Shelley
*Ultimate X with Chris Sabin vs. Petey Williams vs. Matt Bentley for a title shot at A.J. Styles on 11/13
*Team 3-D vs. Eric Young & Bobby Roode
*Rhino vs. Jeff Jarrett for the NWA title


Tonight on Spike 8 pm Central.


TopDroog - 11/3/2005 at 10:17 PM

Sounds good to me. Hopefully I can stay awake through it


TopDroog - 11/5/2005 at 03:58 PM

bhawk, perhaps you'd like to go here:

http://www.allmanbrothersband.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=XForum&am p;file=viewthread&tid=35559

and offer an opinion. A brother here is considering/being considered for as job with the WWE.


bradfordg. - 11/8/2005 at 05:15 AM

Raw from 11/7 had a fun segment. Edge has to go to Smackdown and face Batista in a street fight this Friday. Told he cannot come back to Raw until he get's the job done.

Best match of the night was for the Tag Team Titles, Big Show & Kane (champs) vs. Murdoch & Cade...........hardcore rules. Needless to say Cade & Murdoch didn't fare well. Joey Styles is doing well as the commentator and looks like he'll be taking the lead role over Coach soon. Styles & Lawler seem to work off each other very well and they have a better "chemistry" than Coach & Lawler.

Oh yeah and the Davari charector came back thanks to Kurt Angle. Kurt's segment with the fans on the "You Suck" chant was pretty funny also.


TopDroog - 11/12/2005 at 03:48 AM

I thought Angle's little tantrum and then the bleeping was pretty sad, personally, but that's just me.

Encyclopedia bhawk, let me ask you something.

I was watching a bit of Smackdown tonight, and I saw this team called M N M, two glamour boys and a moderately sexy female manager.

They reminded me of the Basham Brothers and Shenequa. The Basham Brothers hung around for awhile, they may even still pop up from time to time, but no Shanequa. She disappeared after maybe two months or so.

Where is she?!?!?!? Man, I'm not usually into the whole "Diva" side of the WWE, but that Nubian warrior goddess had me wanting to worship at her ebony alter.

There's something fascinating about the idea of being with a woman that could beat the **** out of you, if she was of a mind. Any ideas on what became of her?


WharfRat - 11/12/2005 at 03:54 AM

quote:
There's something fascinating about the idea of being with a woman that could beat the **** out of you, if she was of a mind. Any ideas on what became of her?





I thought she was tied up in your basement


Bhawk - 11/12/2005 at 05:52 PM

quote:
They reminded me of the Basham Brothers and Shenequa. The Basham Brothers hung around for awhile, they may even still pop up from time to time, but no Shanequa. She disappeared after maybe two months or so.

Where is she?!?!?!? Man, I'm not usually into the whole "Diva" side of the WWE, but that Nubian warrior goddess had me wanting to worship at her ebony alter.



Sheniqua (Linda Miles) won Tough Enough II in 2002. Trained by Ivory, Al Snow and Bob Holly.

After the Bashams dropped the titles to Rikishi and Scotty 2 Hotty at No Way Out in February 2003, the Bashams got a new push as a part of JBL's cabinet. The WWE at the time was still interested in pushing a full women's division. Sheniqua was sent down to OVW to further develop as a wrestler.

However, she clashed with Jim Cornette from day one and was known for having a terrible attitude. She lasted about a year and a half until finally being released from her developmental contract in November of 2004. Currently out of wrestling.


Bhawk - 11/13/2005 at 03:55 AM

Some other recent news developments worth discussing...

***Jay Reso, the former Christian in WWE, has signed with TNA and will be appearing Sunday at the Genesis PPV. He has trademarked the name "Christian Cage." He won't be wrestling, but it is reported to be more than just a cameo.

I say, that's really awesome. He is a guy that will fit the TNA world perfectly, and it's refreshing to see a WWE guy realize that since he's not a 300-lb roided-up giant with limited working skills he's never going to get the push he deserves. He let his contact expire and walked. For all the c**p that Vince has given us recently, Christian Cage just became my favorite wrestler.

***Batista (Dave Bautista) suffered a legit torn right latissimus dorsi muscle (upper back) after receiving the double chokeslam from Kane and Big Show on last week's Smackdown. It was reported that "Batista will have to decide whether to attempt to rehab his back, or get the muscle re-attached through surgery. He would be out about three months with the latter procedure."

Sunday they will be doing a Raw/Smackdown double taping as they are starting a European tour on Tuesday. The main event is a three-way of Batista vs. Randy Orton vs. Eddie Guerrero for the title, so if Batista is taking the time off he's dropping the belt.

Now then, who? Randy Orton got the World Heavyweight Championship way too soon, and they turned him face ridiculously too soon. That combined with his injury they lost at least a year's worth of momentum. Now, it's a fact that Orton is the biggest single hope that WWE has for the future. Is it time to push him as the top guy again?

The you have Eddie Guerrero, who was incredibly over when he won the WWE Championship. I've always loved the guy. He had a really hard time dealing with the pressure of being the top guy, as he as putting way too much pressure on himself to do things perfectly every night (which I also think is a side effect of the WWE's insane amount of overscripting and overbooking, but, whatever). Still, he has incredible appeal and who wouldn't mind seeing him on top again?

I still don't think Orton is ready, I say let Eddie lie, cheat and steal to get the belt Sunday. He and Guerrero could have a fantastic six-month program (I've been starving for a good old-school nasty a$$, violent, hateful, long and bloody feud. What can I say? They always seem to work!) building all the way to Mania.

Hey, just one man's opinion. It's only wrestling.

***Chris Benoit's contract is expiring soon. Let's just say that the initial monetary offer is not near what it should be. Or we could say that it's definitely curtain-jerker level. At any rate, it aint respectful. I think that Benoit is without a doubt in the top 20 of all time, so I think that's ridiculous. But, hey, this is not your average business.

Too early to say what's gonna happen here. Obviously a guy who could fit right in with TNA. Shelton Benjamin (remember that guy? The amazingly talented technical wrestler?) would fit in over there too.




I would to recommend anyone who hasn't watched wrestling in awhile to check out TNA. WWE will never "go down" because they are too financially sound and they are still the top organization in the world. But, from a technical wrestling point of view, the talent in TNA is where the future of professional wrestling is. It's a very refreshing alternative. I really think that Samoa Joe and A.J. Styles will be, barring injury or what have you, two of the best ever.

If anyone has Galavision on their cable/satellite systems and you've never checked it out before, take a peek at Lucha Libre on Saturday afternoons. Usually on at 1 or 2 and is two hours long. You never know which of the two major federations in Mexico you will see, CMLL or AAA. CMLL is over 70 years old and Lucha Libre ("free fighting") has a long and rich tradition and has a special spot in Mexican culture. I do not understand more than 20 words of Spanish and whatever small storylines they have I can’t understand either. But, I love watching it. The colors, the masks, the style, I just love it. It's definitely not the professional wrestling most American fans that’ve never seen it will be used to. It's just different.


Here's a little something for fun...alright, wrestling fans, if you could have any past World/WWE Champions in their prime wrestle each other, who would it be?

My answer would be Kurt Angle vs. Ric Flair.

Actually, there's about five more, but picking one is hard. Let's build a fantasy "Supercard" just to see what folks come up with.


Bhawk - 11/13/2005 at 10:38 PM

Just a sad, sad, sad day.

Eddie Guerrero passed away this morning in his hotel room at age 38.

He had an early wake-up call shortly after 7 a.m. that he didn't answer. Chavo Guerrero, who he was traveling with, called the room and again got no answer. When knocks on his hotel room door went unanswered, security got the door open and Eddie was found dead in the bathroom. The belief at this time is he suffered a heart attack while brushing his teeth.


So unbelievably sad.


WharfRat - 11/14/2005 at 03:14 AM

I was just reading about that


tigerman73 - 11/14/2005 at 03:07 PM

I'm sure the cause of death is going to be a massive heart attack. I liked Eddy in the ring but he has been juiced to the gills for so many years it was probably only a matter of time before this happened. So many guys have died in their late 30s and early 40s from this , you'd think they'd learn but they never do. The only question is going to be who's the next to die too young.


croky - 11/14/2005 at 05:05 PM

Terrible news no matter what the cause.


BigSixPeachHead - 11/14/2005 at 05:21 PM

OMG !!! Our Shelbmeister is going to be devastated to say the least. Guerrero was one of his faves...oh my. Being at the infamous Lanaroo III this entire weekend, we haven't been up to date on our current events at all. Monday and Thursday nights Shelby totally owns the TV...he was talking about Raw last night when we got home from PA, so excited and all. He couldn't wait for tonight. He was especially excited after the Edge and Bischoff (sp) scam at Smackdown last week.

Think I best go home early and wait for our little man, I'm sure he heard the news at school by now.

What a shame and irregardless of the cause a sad, sad day for the wrestling family and fans.

Bless his entire family.....

Later, Karen


DerekFromCincinnati - 11/14/2005 at 05:46 PM

Guerrero had yet to fully turn on Batista. Smackdown will be here in Cincinnati at the end of November and the local commercials mention a tag team match where Guerrero is on the other team and going against Batista. I hope it wasn't the juice, but he sure looked like he partook. Bummer for his family, for sure. RIP>


jim - 11/14/2005 at 05:58 PM

Its only a matter of time or how many bones Mr. McMahon wants to stack up before they took a good look at the juice used in this industry. And it probably ain't jsut the juice either. These guys are on a grueling schedule traveling from city to city and putting their bodies through extreme physical stress every night. I have to believe that some are using things to bring them up and things to bring them back down. Combine that with the juice and its an explosive situation for not only the heart, but kidneys, liver, etc.


Its too bad, I loved Latino Heat.


Bhawk - 11/14/2005 at 06:43 PM

quote:
Guerrero had yet to fully turn on Batista. Smackdown will be here in Cincinnati at the end of November and the local commercials mention a tag team match where Guerrero is on the other team and going against Batista.


An even sadder note is that with Batista's back injury, the original plan for last night was for Eddie to win the World Heavyweight Championship in a three-way with Batista and Randy Orton.


What an incredibly sad day to be a wrestling fan. Tonight's Raw and Friday's Smackdown should be very emotional, reports from the tapings were just that.


jimmyjam - 11/14/2005 at 07:08 PM

quote:
Just a sad, sad, sad day.

Eddie Guerrero passed away this morning in his hotel room at age 38.

He had an early wake-up call shortly after 7 a.m. that he didn't answer. Chavo Guerrero, who he was traveling with, called the room and again got no answer. When knocks on his hotel room door went unanswered, security got the door open and Eddie was found dead in the bathroom. The belief at this time is he suffered a heart attack while brushing his teeth.


So unbelievably sad.


jimmyjam - 11/14/2005 at 07:37 PM

quote:
quote:
Just a sad, sad, sad day.

Eddie Guerrero passed away this morning in his hotel room at age 38.

He had an early wake-up call shortly after 7 a.m. that he didn't answer. Chavo Guerrero, who he was traveling with, called the room and again got no answer. When knocks on his hotel room door went unanswered, security got the door open and Eddie was found dead in the bathroom. The belief at this time is he suffered a heart attack while brushing his teeth.


So unbelievably sad.




That very sad. I liked Eddie Guerrero.


TopDroog - 11/14/2005 at 09:44 PM

Man, that's very sad news indeed.


Sang - 11/14/2005 at 09:54 PM

quote:
quote:
Guerrero had yet to fully turn on Batista. Smackdown will be here in Cincinnati at the end of November and the local commercials mention a tag team match where Guerrero is on the other team and going against Batista.


An even sadder note is that with Batista's back injury, the original plan for last night was for Eddie to win the World Heavyweight Championship in a three-way with Batista and Randy Orton.






Are you saying wrestling goes by a script?


OldSchool - 11/14/2005 at 10:26 PM

Damn.Latino Heat was the hombre. One of the best wrestlers pound-for -pound ever IMHO.His farewell match in ECW with Malenko was an all-time classic.I'll not jump to conclusions,but given Eddie's history of addiction,I can't help but wonder if he had been using again.RIP vato....


croky - 11/15/2005 at 05:52 PM

Just looking for people's reactions
to the Raw tribute last night.
I thought it was pretty good.


tigerman73 - 11/15/2005 at 07:43 PM

Didn't see the show last night, I went to a basketball game, it's sad that another great wrestler is struck down before his time due to whatever reason. Unfortunately, the stigma of wrestling allows it to go virtually unnoticed when it comes to using and abusing their performers. I don't know what ultimately caused Eddy's death, I'm sure we'll know soon enough, but there is no doubt he was on the juice to keep his size up to where he could be a useful commodity for Vince McMahon. Vince will wash his hands of whatever and say it was (insert wrestler's name here) decision to use steroids and I don't encourage nor condone the use of that stuff. While he winks and nods at his entire history of running the WWF/WWE for the last 20+ years. It is common knowledge that your chances of getting to the top working for him w/o bulking up into a freak is almost nil nad none. The only 2 guys that I can think of that did it were Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels and they rose to the top at the time of his steroid trial when he probably felt the need to push "smaller" talent. Eddy's death isn't the first and unfortunately it won't be the last to come too soon. As a longtime wrestling fan, here's hoping someone will finally take the initiative and clean the business up since those who run it won't.


Bhawk - 11/15/2005 at 07:46 PM

quote:
Guerrero's death confirmed as heart failure

Eddy Guerrero's death was attributed to heart failure according to the preliminary autopsy report. Vicki Guerrero on wwe.com stated the heart showed signs of damage, with worn blood vessels and the heart was enlarged.





Those are the usual signs of steroid use. Those are long term affects that can catch up with you even years after you stop.


OldSchool - 11/15/2005 at 10:08 PM

The show was great last night,a nice tribute to kick it off with the roster & Mcmahons out on the podium,10 bell chimes of silence then the crowd started a "Thank You Eddie!" chant.There were some real heartfelt eulological sit-down segments with his closest friends in the WWE,lots of tears,even had me teared up once or twice.I regret what I said in my last post about him,I have no clue what the cause was,just went thinking out loud again & that was the 1st thing that popped into my head about his sudden death.


Bhawk - 11/15/2005 at 10:30 PM

For all the things that WWE does that we get disgusted with, they did a wonderful tribute last night. I had a hard time keeping it together during the comments from Chris Benoit.

Viva la Raza!!!!

RIP Eddie...everyone will miss you dearly.


tigerman73 - 11/15/2005 at 10:35 PM

From all accounts he was supposedly clean as far as painkillers or recreational drug use. Since he had an enlarged heart it appears that HGH or steroids played a large role in this happening, since use of those drugs will cause the condition that was noted in the autopsy. Hopefully a few of the guys on the roster will take a long hard look in the mirror and get off this stuff before it's there turn.


jim - 11/16/2005 at 03:17 AM

quote:
Didn't see the show last night, I went to a basketball game, it's sad that another great wrestler is struck down before his time due to whatever reason. Unfortunately, the stigma of wrestling allows it to go virtually unnoticed when it comes to using and abusing their performers. I don't know what ultimately caused Eddy's death, I'm sure we'll know soon enough, but there is no doubt he was on the juice to keep his size up to where he could be a useful commodity for Vince McMahon. Vince will wash his hands of whatever and say it was (insert wrestler's name here) decision to use steroids and I don't encourage nor condone the use of that stuff. While he winks and nods at his entire history of running the WWF/WWE for the last 20+ years. It is common knowledge that your chances of getting to the top working for him w/o bulking up into a freak is almost nil nad none. The only 2 guys that I can think of that did it were Bret Hart and Shawn Michaels and they rose to the top at the time of his steroid trial when he probably felt the need to push "smaller" talent. Eddy's death isn't the first and unfortunately it won't be the last to come too soon. As a longtime wrestling fan, here's hoping someone will finally take the initiative and clean the business up since those who run it won't.


Great post...dead on.


FlashCaddy - 11/16/2005 at 03:36 AM

Here is my favorite of all time...The Classy Freddie Blassie...


I have this book. It is GREAT!!!!!!

The Flasher


OldSchool - 11/19/2005 at 01:12 AM

Another night of Eddie tribute on Smackdown! tonight...


Peachypetewi - 11/19/2005 at 01:42 AM

I believe Kurt Hennig died of heart failure also.


Libby - 11/29/2005 at 01:57 AM

From the Charlotte Observer:

I wonder if Flair exclaimed, "WHOOOOOOOOO! as he grabbed this guys neck?!

Wrestler Ric Flair Accused Of Road Rage

POSTED: 5:35 pm EST November 28, 2005
UPDATED: 6:50 pm EST November 28, 2005

CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Pro wrestler Ric Flair faces assault charges after a road rage incident on Interstate 485 in Charlotte. Another driver said Flair attacked him and his car.

The driver said he was on I-485 on Wednesday,trying to get out of town for the Thanksgiving holiday and traffic was slow.

The driver said he noticed someone behind him flashing their headlights, so he hit his brakes.

The driver said the car then pulled along side him, police said. The victim said he immediately recognized the driver as Ric Flair.

The driver told police that Flair got out of his car, walked over to the vehicle, grabbed him by the neck and damaged his car.

Police said there are two warrants out for Flair -- simple assault and damage to personal property.

Flair's attorney, Richard Finnell, said Flair is unaware of the warrants. He said Flair is in Michigan this week for a pay-per-view wrestling event.

Finnell said Flair would be back in Charlotte on Tuesday.

If you see a driver not obeying traffic laws, call the "HITS" traffic hotline at (704) 432-2120.


TopDroog - 11/29/2005 at 06:53 PM

Bhawk, how long do you think we'll have to wait before we see Mickie vs. Trish?


Bhawk - 11/29/2005 at 07:04 PM

quote:
Bhawk, how long do you think we'll have to wait before we see Mickie vs. Trish?



Not too much longer, they are actually getting Mickie some wrestling training as they've been shuttling her back and forth to OVW for more experience. She's actually got some natural talent for it. She's been working OVW matches with Jillian Hall (who actually uses a 450 as a finisher...picture that...apparently it's as ugly as it sounds).

Isn't it something how much better the booking is when they actually use a long, slow build...it works, and its always worked.


TopDroog - 11/29/2005 at 07:16 PM

Hmm. Interesting. Here's my expert technical opinion:

She's cute.


Bhawk - 11/29/2005 at 07:45 PM

quote:
She's cute.


That she is. Not the typical diva look, which in my opinion makes her even more cute.


Libby - 11/29/2005 at 10:37 PM

Ric Flair denies road rage accusation

02:59 PM EST on Tuesday, November 29, 2005
By STUART WATSON / 6NEWS Charlotte

Charlotte pro wrestling icon Ric Flair turned himself in to the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office Tuesday afternoon facing allegations of assault stemming from road rage.

A Waxhaw man named Robert Ted Steele, 29, accuses Flair of yelling and cursing at him, grabbing him by the throat and kicking the door of his Toyota 4-Runner in the median of Interstate 485 the evening before Thanksgiving.

Flair, known to wrestling fans as "The Nature Boy", faces misdemeanor charges of simple assault and injury to personal property. Flair and his attorney said they will fight the charge.



6NEWS

Ric Flair turned himself in to the Mecklenburg County Sheriff's Office Tuesday afternoon

"Ninety five percent it's great being Ric Flair, five percent it's not," Flair said after walking out of the booking room Tuesday. "But the people here in Charlotte in that system right here treated me like a million bucks. It's a great reflection on Charlotte and the city it is. They treated me with the utmost respect and it's not a bad deal."

When asked if it was road rage, Flair responded, "No road rage."

According to the warrants, Flair grabbed Steele by the neck and squeezed, leaving visible red bruising. The warrant accuses Flair of telling Steele he had his tag number and should knock the (we'll say stuffing) out of him.

A second warrant charges Flair with kicking the door of the white 2001 Toyota 4-Runner and causing more than $200 worth of damage to it.

Flair and his attorney said he's not guilty of the charges.


WharfRat - 11/29/2005 at 10:46 PM

IM gonna kick your ass for cutting me off!!!


WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO


Bhawk - 11/29/2005 at 10:46 PM

Perhaps the Nature Boy was upset that the WWE is now going to test for painkillers.


croky - 11/29/2005 at 10:50 PM

TO BE THE CAR,
YOU GOTTA BEAT THE CAR!


Bhawk - 11/29/2005 at 11:51 PM

Judging from this mug shot, how many times do you think Flair bladed in the match with HHH Sunday? Four? Five?


croky - 11/29/2005 at 11:59 PM

What happened in the Survivors Series?


Bhawk - 11/30/2005 at 12:35 AM

Survivor Series Match-by-Match results (from the Wrestling Observer)

Juventud pinned Simon Dean with a Juvi driver in the Heat match. It was a non-title bout. The Mexicools stole Dean's gym bag to distract him. Juventud has learned to work WWE style. So he's useless.

Booker T vs. Chris Benoit for the U.S. title opens the show. This match needs to be good given the line-up tonight. Booker won this one with an Oklahoma side roll with Sharmell holding Booker's legs and him also using the ropes for leverage. Good opener.

Match two will be live on the Smackdown special Tuesday night from Cincinnati.

Bischoff and Vince were backstage. Eric promised to screw John Cena just like Vince screwed Bret Hart. Cena was right there when he said it and made a comment about how Eric likes screwing guys. Vince tried to act like he was into hip hop and used the term "nigga" while Booker watched and was furious, saying "Tell me, he just didn't say that."

Trish Stratus vs. Melina is up now. Mickie James is with Stratus. Tazz & Styles are announcing together, so this will probably be the best announced match on the show. Tazz & Styles spent the match arguing Raw vs. Smackdown. Stratus won with a facebuster off the top rope after minor help by Mickie James. She moved Stratus out of the way from an attempted tackle by Melina just before the finish. Match was good based on usual WWE women's match standards.

HHH vs. Ric Flair is up next. They went 27:00. Flair juiced heavy the entire match with HHH using a screwdriver on him. HHH took a backdrop through the table. Slow-paced but dramatic. Went a little long but real good. Flair got up after three pedigrees, but HHH used a sledge hammer to the back of the head for the ten count. Flair went out on a stretcher. They are acting like this was the end of Flair.

Orton & JBL were badmouthing Batista, but Batista showed up and said he should be the leader. Rey agreed. JBL got mad and wanted to be the leader but then backed down. Lashley agreed to side with Batista. Finally Orton sarcastically backed Batista.

Edge debuted the new Cutting Edge talk show with Dmitri Young of the Tigers. Edge ripped on the Tigers and baseball players for being overpaid, not caring about the fans, taking steroids and amphetamines. Really, he did. Young then brought up all the championships that the Pistons, Tigers and Red Wings had won. Young said Edge had no balls and Edge said he was going to be like GM and Ford, he was leaving Detroit. Pretty good segment and Young did a good job in the celebrity role.

Angle vs. Cena is up next. Wow, this was weird. Daivari, Chad Patton and Mickey Henson were all KO'd, Daivari by Cena and Pattona and Henson by Angle. Charles Robinson of Smackdown ran in as ref and gave Angle an FU and got the pin. As you can tell, a ton of shortcuts but Angle wrestled well. Crowd was electric because no matter what Angle did to be a heel, the crowd got more and more behind him as the match went on. Cena really showed it in his face when he did the five knuckle shuffle and he was booed out of the place.

Eric vs. Teddy is up. The Boogey Man gave Bischoff a pump handle slam behind the refs back and Teddy got the pin. This died. Crowd booed the whole match, run-in, everything. You knew it was bad when Teddy came out and climbed the ropes and got booed. Boring chants from the start. Only thing good I can say is this wasn't as bad as the Richards-Tomko match.

Raw vs. Smackdown elimination match is up next. Kane choke slamemd Lashley and Michaels pinned him. Yes, you read that correctly. Batista pinned Kane after a spinebuster after cleaning house. Kane didn't leave and he and Show double choke slammed Batista for the pin. Show was next out after a JBL clothesline, a 619, an RKO, another JBL clothesline and a springboard Thesz press, so Rey pinned Show to set up Tuesday. JBL pinned Carlito after a clothesline. Mysterio pinned Masters after a springboard legdrop. Masters was way out of position.

Michaels is selling like he's knocked out and he's left with JBL, Mysterio & Orton. Michaels just pinned Mysterio and then JBL in succession with superkicks so it's Orton vs. Michaels. JBL interfered with a chair but Michaels superkicked the chair into JBL's face. He turned around into the RKO and Orton pinned him clean to win the match for Smackdown.

Time for the Undertaker. Druids brought out a casket. Lightning struck the casket and Undertaker came out. Orton and Cowboy Bob ran off while Undertaker beat up Brian Kendrick, The Dicks, Regal, Birchall and a bunch of others, leaving Undertaker eyeing Randy Orton as the show ended. Not sure if this was the right week to use a casket, but this company has never been the best about letting real world events stop what would be tasteless timing of angles.


Libby - 12/1/2005 at 06:44 PM

quote:
Judging from this mug shot, how many times do you think Flair bladed in the match with HHH Sunday? Four? Five?




According to the latest news, his wife could have beaten that head up for him!


TopDroog - 12/29/2005 at 09:23 PM

Junior's All-Wrestling Christmas (a combination of my wife and I, grandma, an aunt, and an uncle):

Grandma:
Tickets to Raw in April, John Cena shirt

Aunt:
Real wrestling boots

Uncle - who spent a ridiculous amount of money:
John Cena footbal jersey, Cena lock medalion, visor, wristbands
Brett Hart DVD

Parents:
Rey Mysterio pants and shirt, Eddie Guerrero memorial shirt, Showdown: Legends of Wrestling for PS2, Smackdown vs. Raw 2006 for PS2, NWO Red and Black attack laminated poster, Hart Foundation action figure three-pack.

He also got some small, non-wrestling gifts, and a super cool, high-tech hot wheels race track that I've been having LOTS of fun playing with


tlevan1215 - 12/29/2005 at 11:54 PM

I just have to throw my opinion in here. John Cena needs to be taken down. I'm sick and tired of him. Eugene will be the next champ.


Bhawk - 12/30/2005 at 01:44 PM

quote:
I just have to throw my opinion in here. John Cena needs to be taken down. I'm sick and tired of him.


The WWE is certainly has a problem with Cena. The audience is spilt down the middle - men hate him, women and kids love him. That's a real business problem because men buy the tickets, but women and kids buy the merchandise. They never expected such a backlash I'm sure, and the recent Kurt Angle "I hate the troops" program is a desparate attempt to give Cena an opponent that the fans can't help but boo. (Although this approach with Angle is silly and way too contrived in the delivery, IMO) Personally, I think Cena gets kind of a bad rap when it comes to the kind of worker he is, but, for the top guy, that's not always that important. Being a bad wrestler certainly never hurt Hulk Hogan.

quote:
Eugene will be the next champ.


Nick Dinsmore - fresh out of rehab and working in Deep South - push him to the moon!


TopDroog - 1/2/2006 at 02:56 AM

Well, I hope Cena is still at or near the top when we go see RAW in April. It would break Junior's heart to go there in all his Cena gear and have The Champ be demoted to punk status.


WharfRat - 1/2/2006 at 03:02 AM

I like Cena actually..

But HHH is still da man in my book


Bhawk - 1/3/2006 at 10:04 PM

quote:
Well, I hope Cena is still at or near the top when we go see RAW in April. It would break Junior's heart to go there in all his Cena gear and have The Champ be demoted to punk status.




That was some Christmas your son had. When I read his list of gifts, I got jealous!

Cena - wow...some blade job last night, huh? Sick. Anyway, I still think he'll retain this Sunday, the current plan is to start the HHH-Cena program pretty soon. The HHH-Big Show angle is just filler. Come April, the Raw in Chicago is of course the night after Wrestlemania, and, I don't know about anyone else here, but I just can't see HHH doing the job in the Mania main event three years in a row....I'm feeling that the whole weekend will be built around HHH winning the WWE Title back...


TopDroog - 1/4/2006 at 12:26 AM

I hope not. I despise Mr. Stephanie McMahon.


Bhawk - 1/6/2006 at 10:39 PM

To the shock of absolutely no one, Juvi has been released.


The WWE Crusierweight Title = The Kiss of Death.


TopDroog - 1/7/2006 at 12:57 AM

Juvi the Mexicool guy? I like him in WCW. He didn't show me anything in WWE.


Bhawk - 1/9/2006 at 01:49 PM

We have a new WWE Champion....Edge.


WWE New Year's Revolution match-by-match PPV coverage

by Dave Meltzer

Welcome to our live coverage of tonight's New Year's Revolution PPV from the Pepsi Center in Albany, New York.

Chavo Guerrero beat Snitsky with a frog splash in the Heat match.

Kurt Angle did a funny promo saying he wanted Iraq to win the War, that his favorite country is France, that he doesn't like black people and would like to put the ankle lock on Jesus Christ. He said he could say all that and the people will still cheer him tonight. And it sounded like they were cheering him.

Ric Flair beat Edge to keep the IC title via DQ. Flair had Lita in the figure four when Edge hit Flair twice with the briefcase for the DQ. Edge hit him a third time with the briefcase and Flair bled heavily. Short match which didn't amount to much. Edge was being really careful out there. They also blew off the feud as Edge said he wasn't interested in wrestling Flair anymore.

Trish Stratus pinned Micki James with the chick kick. They did nothing to advance the angle. Just did a match and a finish. Decent.

Jerry Lawler (who got no pop coming out, which isn't a good sign) vs. Gregory Helms is up now. Helms crotched himself on the top rope and Lawler got the pin with a fist drop. Lawler looked heavy. Typical Lawler good psychology. Nobody was into the feud. Too short a build to make this sort of a thing work. Crowd cheered Lawler for winning but didn't react to the match.

We did have some Micki James-Stratus follow-up. James was coming on to her in the interview area.

Mrs. Benjamin is in catering eating away. And Viscera has already shown up. Wow, I expected them to wait at least three weeks for this. She blew him off. I have a feeling we're getting Shelton vs. Viscera. Viscera is now eating at catering.

HHH vs. Big Show is up next. Long, plodding match without much heat. After a ref bump, Show tried a left handled choke slam and HHH hit Show with the sledge hammer and used a half-a$$ pedigree for the pin. They told a story working on Show's right hand, taking off the cast and hitting it with a chair. Show blew up bad halfway into the match and was having trouble just moving from that point on. Fans ended up turning on Show and cheering HHH by the end, which wasn't the idea.

With just a bra & panties match and possibly Benjamin vs. Viscera, the elimination chamber is going to have to take a career performannce by some guys to turn this around.

Carlito and Masters said they are going to work together to win the chamber.

Guess what, we've got Benjamin vs. Viscera coming. This match died worse than any PPV match since Stevie Richards and Tyson Tomko in 2004. Mama hit Viscera with her purse twice and Benjamin won with a spin kick. Benjamin worked as the heel but I don't think anyone even caught that. Fans cheered him very lightly when he won, probably more just happy this was over. I don't care if Edge has a torn pec, think about the time management of giving these guys more time than Flair and Edge?

At this point, we need are pretty close to needing Angle-Michaels at Wrestlemania to even get a thumbs in the middle. This show is dying.


This didn't help. Ashley won. Candice vs. Maria saw Maria win. Then Torrie Wilson came out and Maria stripped her. Then Victoria came out and stripped Maria. Maria got booed for wearing conservative panties. Mae Young & Moolah came out. It got weird to say the least. Mae stripped. Seriously, they were turning men Gay by the hundreds. Moolah held Victoria so Mae tried to take Victoria's top off. Somehow this got screwed up as Victoria had two bras on so one was supposed to come off, but they got caught. What a mess. Anyway, finally Moolah and Mae just left. Ashley came in, took off Victoria's shorts in seconds and won. Ashley then stripped.

I hope Shawn went to church this morning because he's going to need divine intervention to make this a good show. They booed Cena out of the place. He sure came out with an "I'm losing the title face." We'll see if he's a great actor or not in a half hour but he wasn't playing to the crowd at all. Angle even played face the most of anyone so far. Obviously the story of the match is Shawn, starting first and probably going until the end. Angle was by far the crowd favorite and even worked as a face. Crowd hates Cena as he's working heel style. Michaels superkicked and pinned Angle. People were very unhappy about that and now they're dead. Carlito & Masters both pinned Kane after Masters press slammed him. Carlito used his neckbreaker to pin Michaels. Dear God Vince didn't even screw him, he lost on his own. Who is booking this? Cena is left with Carlito and Masters and being booed out of the building. Carlito told Masters to put Cena in the Masterlock. Carlito then gave Masters a low blow and pinned him. Cena schoolboyed Carlito. Cena got a big pop in winning, but Vince came out and mentioned Cena winning and fans booed.

Cena vs. Edge for the WWE title is next. Money in the bank time. 2 spears and a title change in 1:46. Mixed reaction.




croky - 1/9/2006 at 06:22 PM

Was Cena vs. Edge for another taping?


TopDroog - 1/10/2006 at 03:35 PM

As so often happens during RAW these days, I fell asleep about half-way through. What happened with the live sex thing?


Bhawk - 1/10/2006 at 04:54 PM

quote:
As so often happens during RAW these days, I fell asleep about half-way through. What happened with the live sex thing?




Oh, it was sooooo...dumb. From a recap:

quote:
Edge bragged about being smart and winning the title. They aired a video package of Edge highlights. Edge and Lita stripped down, crawled in bed, and started to presumably have sex. Ric Flair came out and called Edge a disgrace to the title and dead in the bed. He vowed to show Lita how it’s done and attacked Edge. Edge hit Flair with a chair and gave him a one man concerto. John Cena made the save. He gave Lita the FU after Edge wouldn’t come back.




Iwonderwho - 1/12/2006 at 01:27 PM

quote:
http://slam.canoe.ca/SlamWrestlingBiosM/magnum_ta-can.html





I'm a little late to the game here but Magnum TA is absolutley my all time favorite. The Belly-to-belly souplex is the greatest finishing move of all time. Loved watching his matches v. Nikita Kolof. Man, those old TBS NWA days were awesome!

On a related note for us ATLiens, what's up with hearing Tony Schivone on WSB radio. I crack up everytime I hear him do "serious" sports and keep thinking he's gonna say "there's pandemonium in the ring ladies and gentleman" lol.

Also, going way, way back, does anybody remember Ray Candy/Ray Canty/Kareem Muhammed (all the same guy)?? I used to work with his wife and she had some great old pictures of him. He was huge and she was just a little thing. Pretty funny. I think he was the first black Georiga heavyweight champion.


TopDroog - 1/12/2006 at 02:48 PM

Cripes. Is that a belt or a breast-plate?


TopDroog - 1/13/2006 at 09:27 PM

I remember reading a few months ago that Brock Lesnar was in negotiations to come back. Any update on that, bhawk?


TopDroog - 1/14/2006 at 02:29 PM

I've been watching the WWE/WWF off and on for about 20 years now. Normally I can tolerate all of the outrageousness.

However, we have to get rid of this Boogeyman moron. How do I contribute to making that happen?


Bhawk - 1/16/2006 at 02:13 PM

quote:
I remember reading a few months ago that Brock Lesnar was in negotiations to come back. Any update on that, bhawk?


Those negotiations fell through due to Lesnar's ridiculous demands to return, including getting one of the top titles back within two months of coming back, $2 million a year guaranteed (a major pipe dream) and he even wanted his own plane, being that the travel schedule is what drove him insane the first go-round. The court battles continue, as WWE is still under the notion that they can hold a guy to a ten-year non-complete anywhere in the world. As a matter of fact, there was an update on the legal proceedings on Friday:

quote:
--Judge Christopher Droney has indicated that unless WWE gives him a good argument between now and 1/25, that he will rule in favor of Brock Lesnar, giving him a summary judgement. That would enable Lesnar to work anywhere he wanted and for anyone he wanted immediately. WWE has filed another injunction attempt to prevent Lesnar from working the 2/19 New Japan show at Sumo Hall. They were at first turned down in their attempt to get him stopped from working the Tokyo Dome, but were given a hearing, which they then pulled out of.



Having Lesnar as their IWGP Champ is the best thing New Japan has going, and he's been doing 5 and 6 minute matches where he just dominates. WWE owns the rights to the name "F-5," so Lesnar now call his finisher "The Verdict."


quote:
However, we have to get rid of this Boogeyman moron. How do I contribute to making that happen?


Don't worry. The gimmick will become stale and he will fade away, given the fact that the guy absolutely cannot wrestle. At all. He's the 2006 Eugene (who is not totally out of rehab yet as previously reported and still has alot of internal heat on him for what went down), Boogeyman will not be around forever. What an incredible look, though.



TopDroog - 1/17/2006 at 03:45 PM

quote:
Eugene (who is not totally out of rehab yet as previously reported and still has alot of internal heat on him for what went down), Boogeyman will not be around forever. What an incredible look, though.




What went down w/ Eugene?


Bhawk - 1/17/2006 at 04:59 PM

quote:
What went down w/ Eugene?


Right after Eddie died, the WWE went to England for a tour. When they arrived at the hotel, Eugene (Nick Dinsmore) was incoherent in the lobby and passed out drooling in front of his hotel room door as a result of taking too many somas. Soma (Carisoprodol) is a powerful muscle relaxer/painkiller that is by far and away the pill of choice for wrestlers. Given the timing, the internal heat came from the fact that many (soma takers included) thought he was disrespecting Eddie's memory. The reality of the situation is that there's a huge amount of wrestlers addicted to somas, and the belief is that Eugene simply didn't make it to his room to pass out before they kicked in. He came back to rehab and was scheduled to start up again in Deep South, but there's been more problems.


TopDroog - 1/17/2006 at 09:43 PM

Here's a question.

Is the only reason WWE keeps Flair around is because they know he's so hard-up for cash that he's willing to take the most outrageous, bloody beatings? I mean, I don't see anybody else "doing the job*" like that.

*Lookit me, picking up bhawk's trade lingo.


OldDirtRoad - 1/18/2006 at 03:19 AM

I started watching wrestling in the 60's


The Original Medics
El Mongol
Joe Scarpa
The Torres Brothers (Alberto, Von Ricky)
Dandy Jack Crawford (Manager)
Mario Galento
Killer Kowalski
Chief Little Eagle


Ed Capral was theTV annoucer
--------------------------------------------
Loved it in the 70's, used to go to Municipal Auditorium in Atlanta, and later the Omni


All time faves of mine

The Spoiler - who walked the rope and used the Claw.
The Great Kabuki - and that green powder he blew out of his mouth.
The Valiant Brothers - Luscious Johnny and Handsome Jimmy
The Royal Kangaroos - Lord Jonathon Boyd and ?
Mr. Wrestling 1
Paul Demarco (The Original Elbow Smash)
Swede Hanson
Roddy Piper
Ole, Gene, and Lars Anderson (The Minnesote Wrecking Crew) Gene always twitched his head.
Bruiser Brodie
Brute Bernard (the Chicken Walk)
Ray Patterson
The Assassins
The Missouri Mauler


Lived in Falcons Rest Apartments next to The French Angel, Tim Woods,Diamond Jack Vascky.

Sold "Hash' for Abdul Zuttaar...used to help cut the camels out of vinyl for his trunks, he got mad at me when I looked at his drivers license and found out his real name was Ricky Sanchez from Mexico.

Have phots of me and Abdullah the Butcher at my surprise 40th Birthday party at his "Rib Shack"

One photo we are both growling and he's shoving a fork in my forehead.

Also have one with him getting my 72 year old Grandma in a Headlock.


Can't stand in watching the current and last 10 years of it..............

Always hated Rick Flair......

Loved announcer Gordon Solie with his famous quotes "Indeed..that remains to be seen" "He would fight a buzz Saw and give it the first round"

Watched a lot of Joe Pendicino and Bonnie Blackstone era.............

[Edited on 1/18/2006 by OldDirtRoad]


Libby - 1/18/2006 at 04:46 AM

"Also have one with him getting my 72 year old Grandma in a Headlock."


Kenny, I swear, you crack me up! The funniest thing is, you're dead serious!

Great to see ya back!


tigerman73 - 1/18/2006 at 03:18 PM

Greatest wrestling moment ever.....The Assassins w/ Ivan Koloff as their ref vs Dusty and Ole Anderson w/ Gene as their ref inside the steel cage....Dusty gets a beating from the Assassins, makes a comeback and manages to tag Ole and then Ole gets in the ring looks around turns on Dusty and the 5 of them deliver a beating on Dusty inside the cage. If only they could have ended Dusty's career right then and there, the wrestling world would have been a better place!!! LOL


Bhawk - 1/18/2006 at 07:02 PM

Heidenreich has been released by WWE. Hold your tears.


quote:
Is the only reason WWE keeps Flair around is because they know he's so hard-up for cash that he's willing to take the most outrageous, bloody beatings? I mean, I don't see anybody else "doing the job*" like that.


At this point in his career, maybe Flair does this stuff because he's just become a company guy that will do whatever they ask (See Benoit, Chris). I do know that I don't want to see a 56 year old man taking a superplex off a ladder ever again!

quote:
Greatest wrestling moment ever.....The Assassins w/ Ivan Koloff as their ref vs Dusty and Ole Anderson w/ Gene as their ref inside the steel cage....Dusty gets a beating from the Assassins, makes a comeback and manages to tag Ole and then Ole gets in the ring looks around turns on Dusty and the 5 of them deliver a beating on Dusty inside the cage. If only they could have ended Dusty's career right then and there, the wrestling world would have been a better place!!! LOL



They recycled this same angle in 1984 at the Omni, only this time Dusty made the save for Flair, who was getting beat down by Ivan and Nikita Koloff and Khrusher Khruschev. Flair turned on Dusty and the rest of the Horsemen ran in and "broke" Dusty's ankle...



tigerman73 - 1/19/2006 at 02:36 PM

I know he tried it again in a similiar fashion w/ the Road Warriors in 86 or maybe 87 where they "turned" on him, the only problem was by this time the fans were sick of Dusty and they encouraged the Road Warriors to keep beating the tar out of him. I think they unscrewed one of the spikes from their shoulder pads and drove it into his head. Dusty never was the smartest booker in the world, he would find something that worked once and then run it into the ground. His most famous one was the Dusty finish where he would make you think the championship had changed hands and then either there would be a reversal or some technicality that would overrule the decision....so basically the heel looked like a wuss, the face looked stupid and the fans went home ticked. It has been argued that Jim Crockett's continued reliance on Dusty's booking single handedly destroyed or at least greatly sped up the demise of his promotion. As he killed house shows w/ his horrid repetitive ideas. All that being said I don't think Dusty booked the original cage turn I mentioned, I'm not sure who was booking GCW at the time but I don't think it was Dusty. He sure did take that idea and run w/ it. Heck you could even say the tradition continued on w/ Sting and his mulitple partnerships and turns w/ Flair...LOL


OldDirtRoad - 1/24/2006 at 07:58 PM

quote:
"Also have one with him getting my 72 year old Grandma in a Headlock."


Kenny, I swear, you crack me up! The funniest thing is, you're dead serious!

Great to see ya back!



Thank you Mam !

My Grandma is gone now....but I was looking at that photo the other day and laughing.....she never liked wrestling....and when I was kid she controled the TV...so on Saturday night we had to watch "The Porter Waggoner show" "The Wilburn Brothers" and "Cryin" Bill Anderson show. One Saturday Grandma was out visiting..and me and my Grandad watched Wrestling....we were hooked.....then each week we would argue over which to watch.....Grandma usually won...but sometimes she'd give in...LOL

At the time we only had a Black and White set and could not afford another TV.


Bobo - 1/24/2006 at 08:03 PM

quote:


However, we have to get rid of this Boogeyman moron. How do I contribute to making that happen?


My suggestion?? Take him to a Derek show near a park and get him real drunk beforehand - it's been known to "work."


TopDroog - 1/24/2006 at 09:49 PM

quote:
quote:


However, we have to get rid of this Boogeyman moron. How do I contribute to making that happen?


My suggestion?? Take him to a Derek show near a park and get him real drunk beforehand - it's been known to "work."


Hmmm . . . a plate of lamb and beef . . . coupla bottles of wine . . . a few shots . . . I like the way you think.


Bobo - 1/25/2006 at 06:01 PM

quote:
quote:
quote:


However, we have to get rid of this Boogeyman moron. How do I contribute to making that happen?


My suggestion?? Take him to a Derek show near a park and get him real drunk beforehand - it's been known to "work."


Hmmm . . . a plate of lamb and beef . . . coupla bottles of wine . . . a few shots . . . I like the way you think.


The Ultimate "Sleeper Hold.................."


Bhawk - 1/29/2006 at 06:40 PM

Royal Rumble time!

I'm predicting a Rey Mysterio victory, then the WWE can get down to some serious exploitation of Eddie's death by running a "Rey's gonna win it for Eddie" storyline all the way to Mania. I'm sure the Rey/Eddie t-shirts have already been printed.

Not that I'm surprised or anything. I stoped shaking my head in disgust at Vince years ago.


croky - 1/31/2006 at 01:44 PM

quote:
Royal Rumble time!

I'm predicting a Rey Mysterio victory, then the WWE can get down to some serious exploitation of Eddie's death by running a "Rey's gonna win it for Eddie" storyline all the way to Mania. I'm sure the Rey/Eddie t-shirts have already been printed.

Not that I'm surprised or anything. I stoped shaking my head in disgust at Vince years ago.



You nailed it Bhawk! You must have some inside info.
Are you telling me that it's going to be a Cena/Rey main event?
HHH has got to find a place for himself in there somewhere?


Bhawk - 1/31/2006 at 03:05 PM

quote:
Are you telling me that it's going to be a Cena/Rey main event?



Nope. Cena-HHH. Angle-Orton was the scheduled other title match before Rumble. The Mysterio Rumble win could up ending being nothing more than a swerve. We'll see.

The only other for sure match for Mania is Undertaker-Mark Henry (yawn). As far as special appearances go:

Rock - nope
Austin - nope
Hogan - this could change at any time, but, at this point, nope.
Foley - they are kicking around a tag match - Flair & Foley vs. Chris Masters and Carlito

You can probably pencil in a Trish-Mickie title match. More updates as they come along, remember, we've got a Smackdown PPV between now and then.


Bhawk - 2/7/2006 at 04:58 PM

Your Wrestlemania update, brought to you by Triple H...

Five matches are scheduled for Mania at this point:

HHH vs. Cena for the WWE Title
Randy Orton vs. Kurt Angle for the World Title*
Vince McMahon vs. Shawn Michaels
Mick Foley vs. Edge
Undertaker vs. Mark Henry

(I know, I know. Rey Rey won the Rumble. Orton is going over Rey at No Way Out to take the title shot. Pretty much expected that Orton will go over Angle at Mania as well.)



croky - 2/13/2006 at 07:42 PM

Bhawk, just curious to see what happened at the TNA PPV
last night. Looked like it was going to be a good one.


TopDroog - 2/13/2006 at 07:57 PM

I wonder if tonight's Dog Show will be more or less entertaining than Raw has been these past couple of months.

I might just rent "Best of Show" in case the dog show bores me to sleep. Fred Willard gets me rolling on the floor holding my belly no matter how many times I see that.


Bhawk - 2/13/2006 at 08:20 PM

quote:
Bhawk, just curious to see what happened at the TNA PPV
last night. Looked like it was going to be a good one.



Solid all around, Joe vs. Styles vs. Daniels was good, but not as good as the one in September (I don't think that they could have lived up to that one anyway!)

But the Big News is that Christian Cage is the new NWA World Heavyweight Champion. Hope it lasts, or Jarrett gets hit by a bus. Whichever.


Bhawk - 2/13/2006 at 08:21 PM

quote:
I wonder if tonight's Dog Show will be more or less entertaining than Raw has been these past couple of months.


Amen to that. They're still going to tape it tonight and broadcast it Thursday. At least this week we'll have the advantage of reading spoilers to see if it's worth watching.


Bhawk - 2/14/2006 at 10:13 PM

---Bret Hart has agreed to attend and be inducted into the WWE Hall of Fame this year.

---Cowboy Bob Orton has been released.


Bhawk - 3/22/2006 at 10:27 PM

The WrestleMania card is set!

WWE Championship
John Cena vs. Triple H

World Heavyweight Championship Triple Threat
Kurt Angle vs. Randy Orton vs. Rey Mysterio

No Holds Barred
Vince McMahon vs. Shawn Michaels

Hardcore Match
Edge vs. Cactus Jack

Money in the Bank Ladder Match
Shelton Benjamin vs. Ric Flair vs. Rob Van Dam vs. Fit Finlay vs. Matt Hardy vs. Bobby Lashley

Casket Match
Undertaker vs. Mark Henry

United States Championship
Chris Benoit vs. JBL

World Tag Team Championship
Kane & Big Show vs. Carlito & Chris Masters

Women's Championship
Trish Stratus vs. Mickie James

Diva Pillow Fight
Candace Michelle vs. Torrie Wilson

Boogeyman vs. Booker T & Sharmell



Doesn't match up well with the cards of the last three or four years, but, I'll be there! Actually I have quite the wrestling couple of weeks coming up:

3/28 Smackdown in Kansas City
4/1 Ring of Honor in Chicago Ridge (awesome card shaping up!)
4/2 WrestleMania in Chicago
4/3 Raw in Chicago
4/8 NWA Central States in Lawrence, KS

It's gonna be a great month! Whooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


TopDroog - 4/3/2006 at 08:09 PM

Didn't watch Wrestlemania, but I'll be in the house tonight for Raw at the Allstate Arena.

I want to know if there are any brothers or sisters here can do me a favor. As I might have mentioned earlier, my mom bought these tickets as a Christmas present for my son. We're all very greatful, as this event would have been outside of our budget, and the WWE only comes around about once a year or so. So, we're going to have a big "Thank you Grandma" sign that we'll hold up throughout the match.

If somebody out there can TIVO (or otherwise digitally record) Raw tonight and get me a copy via DVD-R disc or MPG or AVI or something like that, I would greatly appreciate it. My objective to get a nice clear screen shot of us holding up the poster, and get a nice still print made of the image and give it to my mom.

Thanks



BigSixPeachHead - 4/4/2006 at 03:09 PM

quote:
Didn't watch Wrestlemania, but I'll be in the house tonight for Raw at the Allstate Arena.

I want to know if there are any brothers or sisters here can do me a favor. As I might have mentioned earlier, my mom bought these tickets as a Christmas present for my son. We're all very greatful, as this event would have been outside of our budget, and the WWE only comes around about once a year or so. So, we're going to have a big "Thank you Grandma" sign that we'll hold up throughout the match.

If somebody out there can TIVO (or otherwise digitally record) Raw tonight and get me a copy via DVD-R disc or MPG or AVI or something like that, I would greatly appreciate it. My objective to get a nice clear screen shot of us holding up the poster, and get a nice still print made of the image and give it to my mom.

Thanks



Wish I had seen this yesterday Droogie....sorry

Where were you sitting ?? I told Lynn and Shelby that you and your son were in the house last night for RAW. Hope you had fun and even more important, hope someone has this on tape for ya !!

Later, Karen


Bhawk - 4/5/2006 at 02:25 PM

quote:
If somebody out there can TIVO (or otherwise digitally record) Raw tonight and get me a copy via DVD-R disc or MPG or AVI or something like that, I would greatly appreciate it. My objective to get a nice clear screen shot of us holding up the poster, and get a nice still print made of the image and give it to my mom.


I have it on my DVR, but the best I can do is transfer it to VHS. I'd be more than happy to copy it to videotape, if that helps?


WharfRat - 6/17/2006 at 02:44 AM

ARE YOU READY?







Are you ready?

Ya think you can tell us what to do
Ya think you can tell us what to wear
You think you're better
Well you better get ready
Bow to the masters

Break it down!

Degenerate into something fool
We just got tired of doin' what ya told us to do
That's a breaks boy, Yeahhhh
Ah, That's a breaks little man, Break it down

Degeneration X, Degeneration

Say you can tell me what to do
Ya know who your talkin' to

Well you better get used to the way the ball bounces
I see what ya got, it measures in ounces
But that's a breaks boy, Yeahhhh
That's a breaks little man, Break it down

Degeneration X, Degeneration

Think you're a big man (Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha)
Treat you like you're a little man

Yo, tell me what it's like to be half a man
It must break your heart to see what I am, but
That's a breaks boy, Yeahhhh
That's a breaks little man, Break it down

Degeneration X, Degeneration

Say you can tell me what to do
Ya know who your talkin' to

Just stop, wanted me, to be, someone else
Put away like a book on a shelf, That
You can read boy, Yeahhhh
That you can read little man


[Edited on 6/17/2006 by WharfRat]


skypup - 6/17/2006 at 03:22 AM

Where have I been? I didn't know anything about this rasslin thread, course I am still new to Whipping Post. One thing I'm not new to is Rasslin'.
My dad used to take me to the matches back in the 60's. I've seen Bo Bo Brazil vs the "original" Sheik many times and if he wasn't doing battle with the Sheik it was none other than the baddest man rasslin has ever seen and that being Dick the Bruiser. If you look at Brock Lesnar and have seen old school rasslin you'd swear he's related to Dick the Bruiser.
Alex Karras made a comment about how rasslin was fake and Dick the Bruiser went to a club Karras owned looking for him. Story goes that Dick beat up every bouncer in the club and half the police force in town(Detroit?). He was bad!
Best announcer, hands down, Gordon Solie. Those old Georgia Championship Wrestling shows were the best. Then you had Mid-South. Where Rick Flair, Ricky Steamboat, and Jim Ross were featured.
I have many stories to tell about rasslin. One of them is I was in a club back home watching my roomie's band playing. I had this guy standing next to me with silver hair. I recognized him right off the get go, but I went ahead and asked him what his name was.
"Tommy," he replied in a low voice. I told him I knew it was, but wanted to make sure. We had a few beers and talked about the old days of rasslin. He was one helluva guy.
One other thing, I have heard that a certain member of our favorite band is a rasslin fan. Anyone know who this is?


skypup - 6/17/2006 at 03:35 AM

Okay, here's a story I have for you fans of rasslin.

I won tickets to a WWF match in Huntington, WV about 12 years ago. I won 8 tickets altogether. Four general admission and four front row seats.
I had a friend who's live in gf had a young son(Jeremiah) around the age of 12. I found out that his older brother was supposed to get him a ticket and fouled him. So, I asked him if he'd like to come along.
Well, I had the four general admission tickets, but I didn't know exactly where those other four seats would be. I was told by the radio station that they could be picked up at the box office at the Civic Center.
All the way up to Huntington from my home in Ohio Jeremiah kept telling us how his brother always got good seats and if I didn't mind could he sit with him. I told him I didn't mind.
We got up to the match and went to the box office. I gave them my name and they had this guy in a tuxedo escort us right down to those front row seats! Little Jeremiah was really excited about all this and was turned around looking for his brother. Turns out his brother was way back in the grandstand and Jeremiah hollered out at him, "hey, look at us!"
We were on television so much it wasn't funny. The cameras must have liked my tie dyed t-shirt or something, plus we got to go back behind the stage and meet a rassler. Kerry Von Erich. The folks at WWF gave me all kinds of fan stuff, t-shirts, belts, Macho Man scarfs, etc etc. Course I let the young man have it all.
It made me feel really good to see him have such a good time. Oh, by the way. I didn't scalp the four general admission tickets. I gave them to a group of boys outside the arena. They were so happy when I handed them the tickets.


skypup - 6/17/2006 at 04:04 AM


TopDroog - 6/17/2006 at 04:34 AM

I was thinking about bringing this thread back to life, especially with the reestablishment of ECW (as a brand of WWE - ugh, but what can you do?), and, as Wharfie mentioned, Degeneration X. TNA's starting to get a little more interesting, too.

Kerry Von Erich, he was definitely one of my favorites.

WWE now owns all of the old WCCW tape, so maybe at some future point we'll see some of those classic matches. I'd love to see a good Von Erich vs. Freebirds match-up again.

According to the plan, this should be out now:

http://www.rightherepictures.com/

Anyone catch it yet?


skypup - 6/17/2006 at 05:02 AM

The Von Erich's(Adkisson) have had their share of tragedies. When we went backstage to meet Kerry it was obvious he was effed up. He didn't know who he was scheduled to wrestle, only replying that he was gonna "whoop em."

I've been following TNA lately, if they'd get rid of Jarrett it would be better off. They have many younger guys who need to be moved up the ladder. I think they're doing it with Samoa Joe, but they need to push Daniels and Styles.


fast43 - 6/17/2006 at 01:08 PM

For anybody that watched the old Memphis wrestling/USWA here's a cool website

http://www.lancerussell.com


skypup - 6/17/2006 at 05:21 PM

Wasn't USWA where Jerry Lawler did the pile drive Andy Kaufman? I never was too much a fan of Lawler's, something about his personality. Now that he's part of WWE I like him even less. He acts like a teenage jerkaholic whenever the Diva's come out. He probably plays with himself under the announcer's table. Watch out JR, he might give you a reach around!


fast43 - 6/17/2006 at 05:25 PM

You are correct. I don't like him on WWE, but I don't like WWE it's ruined wrestling.

I like Lawler. He sponsered this kid that was racing in the ARCA series a few years ago. He spoke to me and signed something and we stood around and talked for a few minutes


skypup - 6/17/2006 at 06:10 PM

I've been checking out those clips from the site you put up. I remember a lot of them, especially the pile driver move. Classic rasslin. Even though I didn't care for Lawler back in his heydays, he was still entertaining. There's a lot of rasslers I don't care for, but realize they make the show. Who can forget Tully Blanchard? What a jerk, but that's part of it. He couldn't even suplex a man, had to come up with that slingshot suplex. sheesh!
Dusty Rhodes and the Chief "Wahoo" McDaniels. Two of my favs. My fishing partner and I refer to ourselves as Team McDaniels. I've called him the "Chief" since high school days back in Ohio. He lives right around the block from me in Winter Haven. Small world eh?
Oh, Austin Idol used to say whenever he hit town the divorce rate went up! lol


OldSchool - 6/21/2006 at 07:24 PM

I'm sure glad to see the Sandman again.Always liked that nasty beer swillin' mean lookin' cuss.I never thought I'd see him working for Mcmahon after that stunt he pulled 10 years ago when he was in the frontrow at a WWF PPV in Philly with Heyman & Dreamer & he spit a schitload of beer in one of the WWF wrestlers face at ringside- classic.I forget the wrestlers name,he was a black guy-I think he was part of the "Nation" thing or whatever it was called with Ron Simmons(Faruk).That whole strip tease thing with that girl last nightwas a foolish waste o time,if I wanna get turned on I'll chuck in some freakin porn.I dig the whole ECW thing,but it struck me(once again) last night how Mcmahon & Pro wrestling are just abot synonomous today.Now he's got 3 nights a week.& now he own's all the old WCCW tapes?It's the mans mission in life to own & control all the Wrestling in this world.I support TNA if for no other reason then that.They also have some kick-ass wrestling in the X division.I agrre Skypup,they would be alot better off without Jarret-but don't hold your breath,his daddy Jerry is an owner/booker


Bhawk - 6/21/2006 at 07:46 PM

quote:
I'm sure glad to see the Sandman again.Always liked that nasty beer swillin' mean lookin' cuss.


If only Vince would pay Metallica for the rights to play Enter Sandman, but that aint happening.

quote:
I dig the whole ECW thing,but it struck me(once again) last night how Mcmahon & Pro wrestling are just abot synonomous today.Now he's got 3 nights a week.& now he own's all the old WCCW tapes?


WCCW, ECW, WCW (going all the way back to all Jim Crockett tapes), AWA, Stampede (except all Bret Hart matches which Bret still owns), Mid-Atlantic, Georgia, and he's been trying to get the Florida tapes from Eddie Graham's son for years.

quote:
I support TNA if for no other reason then that.They also have some kick-ass wrestling in the X division.I agrre Skypup,they would be alot better off without Jarret-but don't hold your breath,his daddy Jerry is an owner/booker


Fortunately for us, Jerry is no longer a majority owner. TNA is owned by Panda Energy. They have some fun and great matches but I think they need to get away from their current "WWE Lite" creative direction. Giving bags of dough to Sting and Kevin Nash are not going to build you anything for the future. You have to create stars...


skypup - 6/22/2006 at 04:04 AM

quote:
WCCW, ECW, WCW (going all the way back to all Jim Crockett tapes), AWA, Stampede (except all Bret Hart matches which Bret still owns), Mid-Atlantic, Georgia, and he's been trying to get the Florida tapes from Eddie Graham's son for years.


Those Florida shows were awesome. My father and I went down to Fort Myers for the winter and I got my fill of rasslin. Back then Florida stations showed rasslin almost all day long on Saturdays.

You guys remember when Magnum got injured and Dusty got his new partner? A little wrestling trivia. Who was it and what did they call themselves?


WharfRat - 6/22/2006 at 08:59 AM

Are You Ready?


Bhawk - 6/22/2006 at 07:28 PM

quote:
You guys remember when Magnum got injured and Dusty got his new partner? A little wrestling trivia. Who was it and what did they call themselves?


October 1986. Charlotte, NC. As JJ Dillon and Ole Anderson waited in the cage for the upcoming match between Dusty Rhodes and the mystery replacement for Magnum, Dusty walked out with Nikita Koloff, and the place went absolutely ape$hit, still considered one of the loudest and longest pops of all time. Dusty and Nikita teamed as "The Super Powers" for about two years following.


Bhawk - 6/22/2006 at 07:29 PM

Here's a little trivia right back at ya -

Who was known as "Mr. Piledriver"?


OldSchool - 6/22/2006 at 09:04 PM

quote:
Here's a little trivia right back at ya -

Who was known as "Mr. Piledriver"?


Paul Orndorf?

quote:
Dusty and Nikita teamed as "The Super Powers" for about two years following.


But around the same time in the WWF who were the "Mega Powers"?(I know,that's an easy one)


skypup - 6/22/2006 at 11:55 PM

quote:
October 1986. Charlotte, NC. As JJ Dillon and Ole Anderson waited in the cage for the upcoming match between Dusty Rhodes and the mystery replacement for Magnum, Dusty walked out with Nikita Koloff, and the place went absolutely ape$hit, still considered one of the loudest and longest pops of all time. Dusty and Nikita teamed as "The Super Powers" for about two years following.


That was da s*** wasn't it? The Superpowers! Big Dust and Nikita Koloff.

quote:
Who was known as "Mr. Piledriver"?


hmm. Terry "Bam Bam" Gordy of the Freebirds?

Old School I would have a hard time with that mainly because I didn't watch WWF that much. How bout. Randy Savage and Hulk Hogan?


Bhawk - 6/23/2006 at 12:44 PM

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Who was known as "Mr. Piledriver"?
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Bruiser Bob Sweetan


There was a particular brand of heel in the 70's and early 80's that you just loved to hate. Guys like Sweetan, Dirty Dick Slater, Dick Murdoch. Loved all those guys.

I will never hate another wrestler as much as I hated Eddie Gilbert. Little bastid spat at me in in the front row at a UWF show.


OldSchool - 6/23/2006 at 01:56 PM

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I will never hate another wrestler as much as I hated Eddie Gilbert. Little bastid spat at me in in the front row at a UWF show.


Lol!He was also married to Missy Hyatt hottest Diva ever IMO


skypup - 6/23/2006 at 09:58 PM

quote:
lol!He was also married to Missy Hyatt hottest Diva ever IMO


Missy had some rocks on her didn't she? There's been some nice looking ladies in pro wrestling. How about a new thread? hmm


TopDroog - 6/23/2006 at 10:10 PM

I'm smitten by the looney-tunes Women's Champion, myself.

And little Maria's pretty cute, too.


skypup - 6/23/2006 at 10:21 PM

Droogie, check out the next thread.


TopDroog - 7/16/2006 at 11:55 PM



This is the newest member of our family, a Teddy Bear Hamster. A bit bigger than your average hamster, but smaller than a guinea pig.

Escuchais me.

Listen, hahaha . . . to me.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

His name, is

Armando Alejandro Estrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrada!

[Edited on 7/17/2006 by TopDroog]


Bhawk - 7/17/2006 at 03:05 PM

Droog, that is awesome! Cena vs. Umaga is the main event tonight, make sure the little furry guy has a front row seat...


TopDroog - 7/17/2006 at 03:14 PM

That's cool, it's about time they put somebody real in front of Umaga, instead of old fat guys and what do you call them . . . jobbers?

I thought Viscera was going to give him a fight a few weeks ago, but apparently not.


TopDroog - 7/17/2006 at 04:40 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JYEEaoZmE8&search=armando%20alejandro%2 0estrada

Hmm. Embedding wouldn't work. I wonder what's up with that?


[Edited on 7/17/2006 by TopDroog]


No1ToRunWith - 7/18/2006 at 06:41 PM

Cena faced that monster he manages last night!


No1ToRunWith - 7/18/2006 at 07:27 PM

Big Show and Ric Flair on ECW last Tues. Ended with thumb tacks! ECF'nW

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TopDroog - 7/18/2006 at 08:16 PM

quote:
Cena faced that monster he manages last night!


Doing pretty well, too, until Edge got involved.

The rated "R" Superstar

G - General Audiences
PG - Parental Guidance Suggested
PG-13 - Parental Guidance required for patrons 13 and under
R - Ridiculous, Redundant, and as Scooby Doo would say, Rupid.
NC-17 - Lita on most nights
X - Lita on the other nights


skypup - 7/19/2006 at 03:44 AM

quote:

R - Ridiculous, Redundant, and as Scooby Doo would say, Rupid.
NC-17 - Lita on most nights
X - Lita on the other nights


Is the X for when Lita's boobs are blossoming?


No1ToRunWith - 8/2/2006 at 05:00 PM

EC F'n W

Last night, Extreme Double Tag Match, Tommy Dreamer w/ Sandman vs. Test and ?

Dreamer put through plywood by Paul Heymans guards. Plywood had barbed wire. Went thru twice!!!

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/shows/ecwonscifi/photos/


No1ToRunWith - 8/2/2006 at 05:16 PM

Video of the match, the first box

http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/shows/ecwonscifi/videos/


No1ToRunWith - 8/30/2006 at 04:01 PM

Kurt Angle released from contract

Kurt...
“My body is so beat up and run down, I can’t even think straight,” Kurt Angle tells WWE.com in an exclusive interview Saturday concerning his early release from his contract with World Wrestling Entertainment. Angle and WWE officials mutually agreed to end Angle’s relationship with the company on Friday.

Angle says nearly 30 years of non-stop wrestling (between amateur wrestling, the Olympics and his WWE career) has taken a major toll on his body, his mind and his family. “I need my body to reheal and rehab, I have done this for too long without a break. I haven’t been able to really enjoy my life. I haven’t seen my family, I’ve had problems with medication - I’m just fried physically and mentally.”

Angle’s business manager David Hawk claims, “Kurt’s in a tremendous amount of pain, he’s used prescription medication to deal with it. Kurt has come to the conclusion that unless he can get in the ring without the use of pain medication then he doesn’t need to be in there. He realizes he was just endangering himself and his opponents.”

The last straw for Angle seems to have occurred on August 13th, 2006, at an ECW live event in White Plains, New York. Angle was wrestling Rob Van Dam in a match where both competitors were fueled by the passionate ECW fans. “The crowd was wild,” Angle says. “Early on in the match, I pulled my groin, but I kept going, feeding off the crowd. Then I pulled my abdominal muscle off the pelvic bone, but I kept going as the crowd grew more wild. Finally, I blew out my hamstring, but we finished the match. The crowd stood and applauded - a standing ovation and that meant so much to me.”

Ironically that would be Angle’s last match.


Bhawk - 10/16/2006 at 08:39 PM

Tonight on RAW, John Cena lays out Kevin Federline with an F-U.

No, I'm not kidding.


TopDroog - 10/17/2006 at 02:05 AM

I'm looking forward to seeing Federline getting laid out . . .

Regarding Angle, my 12-year-old told me he's going to TNA. Any truth to that?


Bhawk - 10/17/2006 at 12:52 PM

Angle is already there. He and his agent pulled a major swerve just prior to signing with TNA, stating that he was done with pro wrestling and he did meet with Dana White, the president of UFC. There is still money to be made in an Angle vs. Daniel Puder MMA match (Puder was the Tough Enough contestant that got Angle into a kimura on Smackdown and embarrassed many - it was a golden storyline chance that the WWE blew). Of course, at his age and with his injuries, Angle would likely get destroyed in MMA, but leverage is leverage when it comes to negotiating. The WWE completely released Angle, no 90-day non-compete, totally cut all ties. TNA tapes a month's worth of Impact!, their weekly show on Spike (Thursdays). I do believe this week is Angle's debut (there was a taped interview segment last week)where there is a confrontation between Angle and Samoa Joe, a match made in heaven.

TNA still needs to decide just what kind of company they are, though. They seem to believe that you have to backwards to go forwards, as reflected by the recent signing of Lex Luger (he's done), Buff Bagwell (huh?) and Kevin Nash has returned to complete the total burial of the X Division. Not to mention that Sting's contract is coming up due and they want to keep him around, and they still shove Jeff Jarrett down everyone's throats.

At the same time, they have some of the best talent in the world that seems to always take a back seat to the people mentioned above. There's LAX, the best heel stable going (Konnan, Homicide and Hernandez), AJ Styles, Christopher Daniels, Chris Sabin, etc. They've totally misused Samoa Joe, it's a very frustrating company to watch because they have so much potential, yet they give folks things like Christian vs. Jeff Jarrett. We need a true alternative, not WWE Lite.


TopDroog - 11/29/2006 at 04:26 PM

BHawk, as you seem to know a lot of inside/industry stuff, let me ask you a question.

How much does Farooq make for saying "Damn!" once a week?



In general, what kinds of salaries do these guys pull down?

Top guys, like Cena and Triple H, middle guys, like, I don't know . . . Haas and Visera . . . and the bottom feeders, like Cade and Murdoch (this is all my opinion of course).

How about the Divas?


Bhawk - 11/29/2006 at 07:11 PM

quote:
BHawk, as you seem to know a lot of inside/industry stuff, let me ask you a question.

How much does Farooq make for saying "Damn!" once a week?



In general, what kinds of salaries do these guys pull down?

Top guys, like Cena and Triple H, middle guys, like, I don't know . . . Haas and Visera . . . and the bottom feeders, like Cade and Murdoch (this is all my opinion of course).

How about the Divas?




OK, we'll start at the top. Vince McMahon is the Chairman of World Wrestling Entertainment and is the majority shareholder. Nearly all of his net worth is tied to the stock performance. WWE has done huge international business this past year that has made Vince a billionaire again. He makes $1.00 a year as a performer. Linda McMahon, Shane McMahon and Stephanie McMahon-Levesque all hold top positions, how much they make is not known.

WWE calls its wrestlers "independent contractors." Among other things, it's a nifty way to get out of reporting itemized salaries on their balance sheet. If you are a young wrestler starting out, you get signed to a developmental contract, which is a base salary to work in either of the two developmental territories, Ohio Valley Wrestling (Louisville) and Deep South (Atlanta). If you are "called up," your developmental contract will be redone into a performance contract. Wrestling is an interesting business in that how much money you make is tied directly to how popular you are. Once you are at the top, there are several categories that feed you money:

Base Salary - Most of the "top guys" (HHH, HBK, Cena, Taker, Benoit, etc.) have a substantial base salary, from $1 to $2 million per year. Once you start going down the card, the money drops off dramatically. Mid card guys can make in the low six figures, and your low card "jobbers" make no more than $30K per year. WWE talent is required to pay their own travel and lodging costs, which at 250 dates a year including house shows can eat up alot of one's base. Shawn Michaels was going to go to the "Undertaker schedule" (no house shows, occasional TV, major PPVs only) after last year's Mania. Vince offered him $2 million per for 5 years to stay. He stayed. Smart man, especially with the amount of merchandise DX is selling. Divas make probably in the $75k-$100k range, depending on their status. (Torrie Wilson makes more than Kelly Kelly, for instance.) The WWE claims a large amount of intellectual property when you sign with them - they can't own your real name, but they can own everything else. For instance, Ron Simmons belongs to Ron Simmons, but "Farooq" is owned by the WWE. The WWE also owns complete gimmicks and certain moves. Take Matt Hardy for instance. One of his big moves is the Twist of Fate. They can't own the name "swinging inverted DDT," but they do own the name "Twist of Fate." This is why in TNA they can't refer to the Angle Slam as the Angle Slam, they have to call it the Olympic Slam, as WWE owns the "Angle Slam" name. One interesting thing in this same area is with Ricky Steamboat, who currently works for the WWE as a road agent. He lost the rights to "Ricky 'The Dragon' Steamboat" in his divorce, his wife owns the name. If they wanted him to appear in a creative role on TV, he could only use his real name, Richard Blood.

Merchandise - Depending on the terms of the contract, performers get a cut of their merchandise based on units sold. The more you sell, the more you make. Guys like Steve Austin and The Rock blew it out when it came to merchandise, and Cena is raking it in on his stuff. Merchandise royalties are perpetual, so if one were to go to a WWE event or go to the website and buy an "Austin 3:16" shirt, Stone Cold still gets a cut. this also applies to DVD sales, which is WWEs largest moneymaker by far. (The WWE has a core fanbase of about 4 million people...and about 2 million of them buy every DVD they put out.)

Payoffs - Industry term for event pay. From the smallest indie show at the local armory in front of 50 people, all the way up to Mania at MSG, this is always been the core of wrestler pay. Pay-per-view event payoffs are set by that night's gate, then broken down in a tiered structure (if you're in the main event or not). So, for a guy like HHH, his contract could call for 2% of the gate plus another 2% for being in the main event (this is where being married to Stephanie is a major perk). A percentage of PPV buys is rare, and included in individual performer contracts.

Guys like Ron Simmons, Sgt. Slughter, Iron Sheik, etc. are signed to the basic "Legends contract" - you get a one time $10,000 signing bonus and a percentage of future merchandise sales. He is also a "road agent," (probably around $45 - $60k a year) former wrestlers who work with talent, grade matches, help with cues and "go home" signals (to "go home" means go to the finish). On WWE TV, the referees usually give the signal as they wear earpieces and get cues from backstage.

As recently as the early 70's, back in the territorial days of wrestling, the payoff was the only money you made. Working the bottom of the card in those days might have only netted you as little as $10, and everyone was always offered a bonus for bladejobs (bleeding). Ric Flair made a ton of money in the 80's, but he had to work main events 300 nights a year to get it, travelling all over the world. In the territorial days,the top heel ("bad guy") main event level guys world work six-month "programs" against the top face ("good guy") where the top heel would work his way up the card by destroying opposition, then work main events against the top face for as much money as they could get out of it. Once the well had run dry, the top heel would always leave town by dropping the last match to the top face. This was the usual basis for the popularity of the "loser leaves town" match.

As far as the indie level these days, it's pretty straightforward. If you are promoting a local federation and you want to bring in someone like an AJ Styles or a Christopher Daniels, top level indie guys usually command between $1000 and $2000 for the match payoff, plus you have to foot the bill for their airfare and one night's lodging.

No one in wrestling, not now, before or ever, has a better deal than Hulk Hogan. He wrestles only when he wants to, he has complete and total creative control over his finishes (contractually, not even Vince has any control over Hogan match finishes) and on PPVs, no one on the card can make a bigger payoff than he. Mick Foley also has creative control, but has a much better repuation when it comes to finishes as far as doing whats' best for business. For instance, that last PPV where Foley wrestled Flair, there was a huge argument backstage between the two because both of them wanted to lose. Apparently the younger guys backstage were blown away by the scene.


TopDroog - 11/29/2006 at 08:08 PM

Hmm. Cool stuff.

Are guys like Armando and Umaga part of a package, or is each on his own contract?

What was that goofy stuff I saw on TNA last week . . . those two dudes (I think Billy Gunn was one of them) were trying to sneak into WWE headquarters or something like that.

Any idea what the top TNA guys earn?


Bhawk - 11/30/2006 at 06:53 PM

quote:
Are guys like Armando and Umaga part of a package, or is each on his own contract?


Each his own. Armando (Hazem Ali - a Chicagoan with Palestinian decent) started in OVW with a different character name, Osama Alejandro Rodriguez. His promos were so hilarious that he literally talked his way to the big leagues. Umaga is a new gimmick, Eddie Fatu used to wrestle in WWE as Jamal and in TNA as Ekmo. This is what the WWE would have done with Samoa Joe if they could have gotten him.

quote:
What was that goofy stuff I saw on TNA last week . . . those two dudes (I think Billy Gunn was one of them) were trying to sneak into WWE headquarters or something like that.



Yup. Kip James (Billy Gunn, but WWE owns that name) and BG James, the "Voodoo Kin Mafia," a play on words on Vince McMahon's initials. VKM is how they refer to WWE since they can't say "WWE" on their broadcasts. It has been as stupid as it sounds.

quote:
Any idea what the top TNA guys earn?


Sting makes way too much money, for one, LOL. They aren't making WWE money, but, they are doing just fine. TNA does not have all of its wrestlers under contract, just the big ones. Everyone is paid a flat rate plus more money prorated to how much time they are on camera. Panda Energy owns TNa, they gave Sting a ton of cash and getting Kurt Angle couldn't have been cheap. TNA only works once a month (they tape a month's worth of TV shows in one day), or twice a month if there is a pay-per-view. They have had very few house shows (house shows are tremendous money losers if you don't sell enough tickets), so their schedule is much easier on the body. For the guys they do have under contract, they can all still do indie shows but the appearances must be booked through the TNA office.


TopDroog - 12/1/2006 at 04:34 AM

quote:
This is what the WWE would have done with Samoa Joe if they could have gotten him.


Seems to me Samoa Joe has a little too much athleticism and not quite enough size, I don't think it would have worked as well.

I sure which they'd let Armando talk more . . . even though they were getting quite redundant, they were still the funniest thing RAW had going for a couple of months. You were at the match where the two of them debuted, right? The RAW after the last Wrestlemania? I was there, too.

quote:
For the guys they do have under contract, they can all still do indie shows but the appearances must be booked through the TNA office.


Yeah . . . I haven't been to a Ring of Honor match yet, but I'll probably check it out soon. They do shows in Chicago Ridge, which is just a couple of miles from my mom's. I see that there's a two-night gig there next weekend, and both Christopher Daniels and Samoa Joe will be there. If I see a date with both the two of them and A.J. Styles, we'll probably check it out. My son really digs A.J. Me, I dig "The Truth." I like Chris Sabin quite a bit, too.

Peace.



Bhawk - 12/1/2006 at 02:23 PM

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Seems to me Samoa Joe has a little too much athleticism and not quite enough size, I don't think it would have worked as well.



Totally agree. Joe is something special, gonna be one of the true legends before he's done.

quote:
You were at the match where the two of them debuted, right? The RAW after the last Wrestlemania? I was there, too.



Whew! What a weekend that was! We stayed at the Rosemont Residence Inn there behind the Target next to Allstate. I'm glad they put it on DVD, cause memories can be foggy...

quote:
Yeah . . . I haven't been to a Ring of Honor match yet, but I'll probably check it out soon. They do shows in Chicago Ridge, which is just a couple of miles from my mom's. I see that there's a two-night gig there next weekend, and both Christopher Daniels and Samoa Joe will be there. If I see a date with both the two of them and A.J. Styles, we'll probably check it out. My son really digs A.J. Me, I dig "The Truth." I like Chris Sabin quite a bit, too.



If I was in Chicago next Friday, I would be at the Ring of Honor show. Bryan Danielson is defending the ROH World title against Samoa Joe in a steel cage and this has Match Of The Year written all over it. Daniels will be there but Styles is not on that weekend's shows. I highly, highly, highly recommend going to see an ROH show. They run about four hours, and if you love straightforward, technical, actual professional wrestling with no goofy storylines or stupid gimmicks and an evening of entertainment that actually does not insult your intelligence, then you must see ROH. Their hardcore fans are a bit of a trip, too. The Frontier Fieldhouse is a really nice place for shows, plenty of room, great sightlines, the Park District concessions are top notch. One thing though, the parking BLOWS. At $15, you get more than your money's worth.

Friday card: http://www.rohwrestling.com/News/Article.aspx?id=827

Saturday card: http://www.rohwrestling.com/News/Article.aspx?id=949


You and your son have good wrestling eyes! I love Styles too, the guy does some amazing flying moves, plus you can totally tell he was trained by Shawn Michaels because he is absolutely awesome at selling ("pretending" to be hurt - you get the gist). If you can sell well, then you make the other guy look good. A big part of what separates the average wrestler from the best wrestlers is the best ones can get a good match out of anybody. I love Ron Killings. Dude just looks like a bada$$. Chris Sabin has enormous potential. He's one of the few guys you look at and right away say "That guy's got "it".


WharfRat - 12/1/2006 at 02:28 PM

quote:
What was that goofy stuff I saw on TNA last week . . . those two dudes (I think Billy Gunn was one of them) were trying to sneak into WWE headquarters or something like that.



Yup. That was Billy Gunn and the ex-"road dawg" Jessie James



BigSixPeachHead - 12/19/2006 at 06:02 PM

Okay Bhawk....my son and I watched Raw last night.

What the heck was the deal with the main event ?? Cena and DX vs. Umaga and "those other two"....to say we were perplexed is an understatement.

Now, with Cena and Umaga taking their battle elsewhere, the purpose I'm guessing is to get them out of the ring so "those other two" can beat up on DX. What irks my son and myself is, two things:

1. WWE decides to have these 'out of the ring' battles and we never see them going anywhere...the wrestlers just disappear. I told my son, they're probably in the dressing room now having a drink or showering.

2. The beat up on DX with the chairs....sorry folks, it looked pretty "real" as "real" as wrasslin' can get

Your thoughts....and I know it's entertainment but it's our entertainment.

Later, Karen


TopDroog - 12/19/2006 at 06:38 PM

quote:
sorry folks, it looked pretty "real" as "real" as wrasslin' can get


From Sunday night:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0JA4XBm9w8

http://www.wwe.com/shows/armageddon/exclusives/38575801


Bhawk - 12/19/2006 at 08:56 PM

quote:
What the heck was the deal with the main event ?? Cena and DX vs. Umaga and "those other two"....to say we were perplexed is an understatement.


WWE TV exists for one reason - to sell buys for the next PPV. John Cena is going to get you some buys, but there is always going to be a marketing focus. DX vs. Edge & Orton has alot more mileage as far as marketability. Besides, HHH (Mr. Stephanie) always seems to get his way into the main event somehow...

They were just selling the next Raw PPV, New Year's Revolution, at Kemper Arena in KC. Yes, Bhawk will be there!

quote:
Now, with Cena and Umaga taking their battle elsewhere, the purpose I'm guessing is to get them out of the ring so "those other two" can beat up on DX. What irks my son and myself is, two things:

1. WWE decides to have these 'out of the ring' battles and we never see them going anywhere...the wrestlers just disappear. I told my son, they're probably in the dressing room now having a drink or showering.



Yup, having them "fight off" removes them from the focus of the show, which was the DX beatdown. Simple wrestling psychology they use again and again and again - the faces get beat down and everyone wants to see the heels get their as$es kicked, but to see that you've got to pay for it . And you are right, as soon as they are backstage again, they ask each other if they are OK, laugh, watch the rest of the show, shower and head to the airport or rental car to drive to the next town.

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2. The beat up on DX with the chairs....sorry folks, it looked pretty "real" as "real" as wrasslin' can get


Certainly was a violent three hours, wasn't it? HHH on the announcer's table was a victim of the "one-man conchairto." The first chair shot on HHH kinda made me laugh, because Orton hit HHH in the shoulder and HHH bladed anyway. (More on blading in a second) As far as the conchairtos go, the key is to get that sick metal-on-metal sound. If you notice, the force of the blow is not actually the head, but to the exposed part of the chair next to the head. You can get a pretty sick sound and barely touch the guy's head at all. The position of the head and the blood flowing makes for an outstanding visual.

However, when you talk about chairs, you have to mention the difference between "protected" and "unprotected" chair shots. Protected chair shots are when the guy brings his guard up and the sound comes from the chair hitting the forearm. The chairs are a type of metal folding chair that makes a loud sound, especially when the blow is to the hollow part of the seat of the chair. Unprotected chair shots are bad news. Nothing fake about those. They have caused concussions and neck injuries. It's up to the guy taking it how he wants to take it, unless the run sheet calls for it. (Run sheet - details of matches, big spots and outcomes on a sheet of paper. Everyone gets one when they walk in the lockerroom.)

Since both HBK, HHH and Carlito all bled last night, let's talk about bleeding. There are many industry terms for blood - juice, color and more terms for the act itself blade, bladejob, gig, gigged, juice, juiced, run, zip. All blood from the forehead in wrestling is real, rather from blading or hardway (blood from a cut that comes from a stiff punch, headbutt, etc.). Many stories over the years have credited blood to blood capsules or packets of chicken blood, etc. Not so. However, blood from the mouth used in an angle is stage blood inside of a condom (they work the best, funny as it is) that is bitten when the blood needs to flow. Stage blood for this purpose is the only type of bleeding allowed in states where the athletic commission forbids it (Kentucky, for example. They are extraordinarily strict when it comes to bleeding and they do not allow self-imposed cuts).

For years, blades were made by simply taking a razor blade and cutting off the sharp edge with a scissors and wrapping the blade in athletic tape, leaving about a millimeter of the blade exposed. Blades are hidden in any number of places, in tights, wristbands, in the lower lip, or the referee has it and will slip it to the wrestler in need when the time comes - then all the wrestler does is make a one to two inch light cut across the forehead (or bigger or deeper depending on the desired amount of bloodflow). Eddie Guerrero used to tape it on the inside of his taped up right wrist, he used to nick the guy he was wrestling from time to time. The late great Wahoo McDaniel, a notorious bleeder, even got the blade stuck in his forehead and finished the match with the blade hanging off his forehead. The blood really flows when a guy is sweating heavy, most of what you see when a guy is bleeding is sweat. I know a couple of indie wrestlers that swear by having a beer or two before the match as alcohol thins the blood. Some are really good at it, some are bad at it, and some guys have been seriously injured. At Judgment Day 2004, Eddie Guerrero, beliving a spectacle of blood was needed in order for his match to have more impact, went nearly bone-deep about 8 inches across and almost went into shock after the match was over. The worst injuries come when a guy blades another guy. For the most part it's no more than a severe scratch, the sweat takes care of the rest. Being that the skin on the forehead scars so easily, many veteran wrestlers have roadmaps of scars on their foreheads. Guys like Ric Flair and Dusty Rhodes have so much scar tissue from 20 years of bladejobs that they can start bleeding by just punching themselves in the forehead a few times.

There are countless examples of bladejobs being caught on camera, if you watch wrestling recorded off a DVR or VCR, rewind a bit when a guy bleeds and you can usually catch it. The famous Mick Foley vs. Undertaker Hell In A Cell, you can actually see the blade in Undertaker's hand.

A fellow wrestling fan buddy of mine and I have joked that it would be a great way to fake an office injury, "trip" into the copy machine and blade, freak out the rest of the office...

Keep the wrestling questions coming!
Jerry


TopDroog - 12/19/2006 at 11:29 PM

What's your take on the Joey Mercury accident? Of course, I'm assuming that's what it was . . . probably should have had a forearm in the way or something.


DanB - 12/20/2006 at 01:03 AM

I just watched to replay Droogie and it looked like a mistake on Joey's part. I noticed he looked and said something Jeff Hardy before leaving the ring.


Bhawk - 12/20/2006 at 02:04 PM

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What's your take on the Joey Mercury accident? Of course, I'm assuming that's what it was . . . probably should have had a forearm in the way or something.



Let's just say that wasn't part of the plan! Accident is the best word. He has four fractures on the inside of his nose, needed 20 stitches and his left eye was swollen completely shut. He'll be out for two months. These things can happen when you play with ladders...

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I noticed he looked and said something Jeff Hardy before leaving the ring.


Yeah, I think he said something along the lines of "Dude, I'm f*****d up."


No1ToRunWith - 12/20/2006 at 02:12 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5M6oJSnYEg

[Edited on 12/20/2006 by No1ToRunWith]


skypup - 12/20/2006 at 03:47 PM

That's some pretty nasty sh*t!!!


fast43 - 12/27/2006 at 02:05 AM

heres a match with the Moondogs against Jerry Lawler & Jeff jarrett from anout 1992

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYpqc7qRq5c


TopDroog - 1/1/2007 at 08:56 AM

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This is the newest member of our family, a Teddy Bear Hamster. A bit bigger than your average hamster, but smaller than a guinea pig.

Escuchais me.

Listen, hahaha . . . to me.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again.

His name, is

Armando Alejandro Estrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrada!

[Edited on 7/17/2006 by TopDroog]


RIP Armando . . . don't know what went wrong . . . It'll be a sad New Year's in the Droog house.


Bhawk - 1/2/2007 at 06:31 PM

Awww, Droog, that blows.

Ten bell salute for the little guy!


BigSixPeachHead - 1/4/2007 at 02:02 AM

Droogie, sorry to hear about Armando RIP

Um...K-FED !!!!
Sheesh...I think I've seen everything, we were glad though that Cena finally was able to body slam the weasel after the main event. (even tho' it appeared that K-Fed landed the way he was supposed to....feet before back)

Have a great time at NY revolution...we'll be watching. You taking a sign

Later, Karen


Bhawk - 1/4/2007 at 07:38 PM

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Um...K-FED !!!!
Sheesh...I think I've seen everything, we were glad though that Cena finally was able to body slam the weasel after the main event. (even tho' it appeared that K-Fed landed the way he was supposed to....feet before back)


Totally diminishes the value of the WWE Title, having your champ pinned by a D-level celeb. Nothing new, unfortunately. At least Federline came in with respect, because wrestlers have been known to lay a legit punch on an "outsider" who doesn't.

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Have a great time at NY revolution...we'll be watching. You taking a sign



No need for a sign, my seats are behind the hard camera. It's my favorite place to sit, being that everyone is "playing" to your direction.


BigSixPeachHead - 1/4/2007 at 07:58 PM

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Um...K-FED !!!!
Sheesh...I think I've seen everything, we were glad though that Cena finally was able to body slam the weasel after the main event. (even tho' it appeared that K-Fed landed the way he was supposed to....feet before back)


Totally diminishes the value of the WWE Title, having your champ pinned by a D-level celeb. Nothing new, unfortunately. At least Federline came in with respect, because wrestlers have been known to lay a legit punch on an "outsider" who doesn't.

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Have a great time at NY revolution...we'll be watching. You taking a sign



No need for a sign, my seats are behind the hard camera. It's my favorite place to sit, being that everyone is "playing" to your direction.


Really ??? Wow....


BigSixPeachHead - 3/5/2007 at 08:07 PM

This was on page 12....what happened

Anyway, did anybody watch Deal or No Deal last night ? It was pretty cool, they had Cena, Bobby Lashley, Edge and Randy Orton on there...it was pretty funny.

The contestant last night was a self proclaimed WWE nut....he's gone to over 1000 live WWE shows, makes these crazy signs, all the wrasslers know him cuz they see him at the shows all the time. He wears the same clothes so they would remember him...well I'd imagine he'd wash them at some point

It was pretty funny...got me thinking, "who the heck goes to so many live shows ??" lol

Later, Karen


TopDroog - 3/5/2007 at 08:10 PM

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It was pretty funny...got me thinking, "who the heck goes to so many live shows ??" lol

Later, Karen


Lots of people here
Yourself included, to see
Guitars, not head-locks.


No1ToRunWith - 3/5/2007 at 09:40 PM

I was trying to find this thread today been awhile


TopDroog - 3/5/2007 at 09:45 PM

Watching UFC
Not the double, double E
Is the thing for me.


JohnS516 - 3/5/2007 at 11:46 PM

give me the good old days of Georgia Championship Wrestling.....The Freebirds, Flair, Piper, The Road Warriors, Mr Wrestling II and Austin Idol........I watch WWE today but its not as good.


maximumule - 3/7/2007 at 07:59 PM

Greatest Tag Team of All Time in the History of the World - The mighty mighty brothers of the road - The Road Warriors!

Somebody crank up some iron man!


No1ToRunWith - 4/3/2007 at 06:55 PM

This guy tries to kill his opponent! Tazered 4 times and then thrown!

Holy CR@P!


nypeachhead - 4/3/2007 at 07:04 PM

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give me the good old days of Georgia Championship Wrestling.....The Freebirds, Flair, Piper, The Road Warriors, Mr Wrestling II and Austin Idol........I watch WWE today but its not as good.


Ahhhh Gordon Sole!!! Wildfire Tommy Rich, the Von Erichs, the Moondogs....those were the days


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