Thread: Open Your Mind A Little.....

ATLCherokee - 6/11/2006 at 02:33 AM

I posted this in Whipping POst, but figured more people would see it dont hate me, its just something to chew on.........

Im by no means a scientist in the area of global warming, or do I even pretend to have an knowlege more than the average American, but I can tell you this: An Inconvenient Truth lays out the consequences ignoring the issue of global warming in a more sober way than I had ever imagined, as someone who has a layman's understanding of the issue. Ill tell you what this movie isn't: It's not an hour and a half of George W Bush bashing, in fact, there is only one reference to his policies or actions on the environment. It's not a deification of Al Gore and his endless work in the realm of environmental issues, but more an explanation of why he has been so passionate about the issue for nearly 30 years. It isn't a partisan film, bashing one side or the other of the political arena, because, as anyone who grasps this film would likely agree, the issue isn't about politics. It's not about one side being right, or one side being wrong, but about one species (the human race) embracing the idea that ew owe it to future generations to clean up a mess that we have so sensationally gotten ourselves into. Global warming is not a theory. Global warming is a problem, and while we all understand their is damage being done, we dont quite GRASP it, until it gets laid out for us, in the manner of the polar ice caps melting, the country of Greenland slowly melting into a watery mass that raises the worls sea level by 20 feet. And based on the rate this occurs, it's not something we necessarily need to wory about 50 years from now, it's something that needs to be addressed in the NEXT 10 years, based on scientific projections. Why is it that the United States, which prides itself on leading the world in all kinds of science and technological development, has the lowest fuel emissions standards in the world? Why is it, that the United States, considered the world's leader in science and technology, accounts for one third of the greenhouse gasses that enable global warming to slowly deliver a crusty core to the earth's surface? Sorry, it enrages me. And for those of you who drive Hummers, I dont care where you live. I dont care what the weather is like, they are unnecessary. Maybe its because I live in Atlanta, and see NO NEED WHATSOEVER for a car that gets 12 miles to the gallon to trample my city with its harmful emissions. Maybe its because for those who live in Minnesota, and fight snow 7 months out of the year dont NEED a Hummer. There are plenty other automobiles that navigate that kind of terrain that arent a "four wheeled eff you" to the rest of the people on the road. Anyway, Id ask that people go see the film, because honestly, once its over, if your not moved to take action, or a little bit concerned about the well being of the planet in the next 20 years, well then, enjoy the ride home from the theater in your Suburban. The folks next to you at the stop light in their Honda Hybrid will clean up after you.

rlrichie - 6/11/2006 at 02:52 AM

You'll get no argument from me. Honestly, at this point, I don't know how anyone could argue that global warming doesn't exist and isn't a threat to the planet.

And, I think Hummers are ugly as hell. But are those vehicles really the problem? It would be interesting to see the pollution stats of gas-guzzling vehicles versus industries worldwide.

ATLCherokee - 6/11/2006 at 02:58 AM

Yeah, its interesting-I just read an article that had taken issue with some of the points made in the film. Ok, that's fair, take issue, even if they were all proven wrong, are supposed to just forget about the environment and not give a damn about the planet? Its an interesting question people pose......

Jerry - 6/11/2006 at 03:00 AM

Not to bust anybodys bubble, but we came out of the mini-ice age in the mid 1840's.
That one lasted almost 400 years.
We're just getting back up to the temperature levels that occur between these climatic episodes.
there was another one from about 500 AD to around 900AD.
Seems like they run in cycles of 900 years.

Try some Google searches for "Little Ice Age"
"Midieval Warm Period"
"Roman Warm Period"

rlrichie - 6/11/2006 at 03:10 AM

I'm watching the History Channel right now--a show about the Little Ice Age. I don't think this is the same type of thing.

jmaynard - 6/11/2006 at 04:06 AM

interesting site to look over...

crossroad_blues - 6/11/2006 at 04:39 AM

Actually, most PaleoClimatologists would tell you that we are overdue for another Ice Age by about 500 years. I'm not talking a Little Ice Age like one that occurred during the Middle Ages, that plunged Europe into the Dark Ages and caused things such as the great potato famine in Ireland. I'm talking glaciers in New York. Siberia in Canada.

Ice Ages have occurred with frequency about every 100,000 years since we (earth) entered the Pleistocene Era. We are now extending that cycle by about 10,000 years. Coincidentally about the same time that recorded civilization has occurred. And necesessarily Global Warming, as we are defining it today isn't such a bad thing. For example, growing seasons have been extended in many areas, allowing more crops to be harvested.

And, by the way, Hummer has stopped production of their H1 line due to sales lags. H2 is nothing more than a Tahoe with another body. Toyota has recalled all of their Prius'.

We need to get emotion out of science. We need to establish reason as the basis of scientific decisions. Back in the '70's the very same 'scientists' that are now espousing Global Warming were wailing on about Global Cooling and overpopulation. Today, without mankind lifting one finger to solve these so-called catostrophic problems, these problem are no more. We have a temperate climate & more & more people on earth are being fed, while even China will be seeing a loss of population for the first time in their existance.

I have one question, since when did predictions become fact? These people have become the modern equivalent of soothsayers. What will the bones portent for today?

OutlawSteph - 6/11/2006 at 05:10 AM

Amen ATLCherokee.. I really wish Gore would run for President again. I remember Earth in Balance way back when it came out. I volunteered for the '92 campaign. I was 16 then. In the years since, the environmentalists have been sucessful in so many areas like cleaning up places like Boston Harbor. There's so much more to do.. we need leadership.

nebish - 6/11/2006 at 08:10 PM

Was it South Park that had a show dealing global warming coming from cattle.....farts?

I love South Park.

dyn182 - 6/11/2006 at 08:24 PM

Was it South Park that had a show dealing global warming coming from cattle.....farts?

I love South Park.

south park is one if the best shows on about the episode a few months ago about the hybrid cars and 'smug'.....such a great show

nebish - 6/11/2006 at 08:26 PM

I'll see the movie when it comes on Showtime or HBO.

But I just wanted to comment on the four wheel drive reference. Here are the vehicles our family has:

1979 Jeep CJ7 (1998 motor and emission system)
1988 Jeep Wrangler (converted to fuel injection, better mpg and emissions)
1981 Jeep Scrambler (used as a "work" vehicle around the property)
1992 Jeep Comanche (2wd, but I may convert to 4wd)
2001 Jeep Cherokee
2005 GMC Yukon

I live in Northeast Ohio.

I love nature. I love to take my Jeep vehicles to designated recreation areas across the country. The vehicles I take on trips are usually hauled on a trailer, pulled by the Yukon. I haul stuff in the bed of my Comanche. I buy Jeeps as I work on all my own vehicles and have become familiar with them and can interchange parts if need be. What I am saying is that my vehicles are used for specific purposes in my life. If I had an office job in the city then ofcourse a car would make sense, but cars do not fit in well with my lifestyle.

I thought your comment referencing four wheel drive vehicles was an attempt to give four wheel drive vehicle owners some kind of black eye.

[Edited on 6/11/2006 by nebish]

mtnjam67 - 6/11/2006 at 08:31 PM

I drive a an 04' Suburban.
I don't need it.
But I love driving it.
Yup $75 to fill the tank . I don't complain about it, I drive a Suburban not a Jetta.

I've driven lots of groups of people to many a concert in my SUV. I'll always own one. They are big and safe from all the morons on the road today. I'm not a dangerous driver . I don't speed in the fast lane when the road is snow covered.( in NJ)
I just need my big SUV.


MusicCityBluesBro - 7/9/2006 at 08:40 AM

Thanks for posting about this movie, ATLCherokee. It finally came to Nashville a couple of weeks ago and I went. I've somewhat followed this whole topic for a couple of decades and think this is the best collection of data, and in general, the best doumentary i've seen addressing the topic of global warming. I highly encourage everyone to watch this movie.

There's ALSO a new TV documentary(not related to An Inconvenient Truth) on this topic called Global Warming: What You Need to Know, with Tom Brokaw. The two hour special debuts next Sunday, July 16th on The Discovery Channel at 9:00PM.
Here's the show dates/times:
JUL 16 2006 @ 09:00 PM
JUL 17 2006 @ 01:00 AM
JUL 22 2006 @ 08:00 PM
JUL 23 2006 @ 12:00 AM
JUL 29 2006 @ 02:00 PM
JUL 30 2006 @ 10:00 AM

About the show:

Travel to the Frontlines of Global Warming Research

Discovery Channel visits global warming tipping points across the planet, talks to the world’s leading experts, and examines the latest evidence about global warming in GLOBAL WARMING: WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW. Produced by Discovery Channel, the BBC and NBC News Productions, and hosted by award-winning journalist Tom Brokaw, the two-hour special
presents the facts and leaves it up to viewers to determine their own opinion
about global warming. GLOBAL WARMING: WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW premieres Sunday, July 16, at 9 p.m. ET.

The two-hour special will decode the buzzwords and arm viewers with an arsenal of clear definitions and visual depictions to explain the greenhouse effect, carbon dioxide emissions, CFCs, effects on weather and rising sea levels. CGI and cutting-edge climate computer models will help viewers see into the future at a world significantly changed by unchecked global warming.

GLOBAL WARMING: WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW will take viewers to global warming hot spots where the planet is most affected by climate change - into rushing subterranean rivers deep in Patagonian glaciers, into the drought-stricken Amazon, on coral reefs ravaged by rising ocean temperatures, into a massive Chinese coal mine, and many more.

The international team of experts, including NASA’s top climate scientist Dr. James Hansen, and Princeton University professors Michael Oppenheimer and Stephen Pacala, will discuss the current realities of global warming and predict the future of the planet. Many of the experts will address natural warming and cooling cycles going back 600,000 years, and discuss if the present warming trend is unnatural.

GLOBAL WARMING: WHAT YOU NEED TO KNOW will demonstrate how much carbon dioxide the average American family produces and present a graphical timeline of global warming throughout history. Finally, the special will look at technical solutions, both great and small, from giant gas injection rigs in the ocean, to more efficient architecture in cities, to what the average American family can do to slow global warming. Join legendary news anchor Tom Brokaw for a programming event that promises to be thought-provoking, visceral and empowering.


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